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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Preon1 on September 30, 2004, 08:52:26 PM
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I love the guy, but it's been 50 mins in a fake debate and kerry has him tearing up....
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Kerry will lose if he doesn't start looking into the camera once in awhile.
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Originally posted by Torque
Kerry will lose if he doesn't start looking into the camera once in awhile.
He ain't answering our questions he's answering the Moderators question..
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Bush is not a good speaker.
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Bush just got destroyed.
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****ppfffft.....there went the gasket. :rolleyes:
Histronics 101
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He ain't answering our questions he's answering the Moderators question..
The moderator doesn't choose the President, the voters do, and as Bush knows and Kerry doesn't is that you need to connect with the voters, they are the audience.
dago
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Originally posted by Nash
Bush just got destroyed.
Are you kidding?? Bush looked great.
He came out of that stronger than when he went in.
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Ya think mos? You really think so?
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On a 10 point must decision:
Bush 10
Kerry 7
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Originally posted by Nash
Ya think mos? You really think so?
Nah. I'd probably have to say it was a wash. I don't think that debate moved any votes.
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I only saw the last 15 minutes or so, from what I saw Bush was the weaker debater.
I also did not like his little smirks..
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Prolly 15-20% of them undecided voters hinge on these debates.
That's huge.
I feel good about it. And hell, we got another 2 of these to go!
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I think Bush did great.
Kerry kept attacking instead of actually answering the questions posed to him.
Bush not only replied to the questions but also put forth Kerry's biggest flaws which Kerry himself kept stumbling over and over during the debate.
Kerry's position was presented pretty much as his own opinion of himself and of Bush and his Presidency. Bush's position was presented with facts and presented Kerry for what he is backing his opinion of Kerry with facts about kerry.
I will admit Kerry is a far superior public speaker and Bush needs serious help in that dept.
But content wise, Bush did far better than Kerry, even if Bush seemed to be on the defensive most of the debate.
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Bush almost broke down and WEPT!
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After listening to that. I have to say, I wish they both fell off a cliff, that was the worse debate I have seen. I think kerry did a little better. But all it was was 2 guys making speaches, Not a debate
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Nash, you're pretty pathetic with the Kerry worship...
My score is 6 - 4 Bush wins...
Kerry just did not answer enough of the questions at hand, the reason it is close, is simple. Bush is not that good speaking in public...
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John Kerry and GWB take a canoe trip together..The boat hits some rapids and flips..Both are drowning...Who gets saved?
Mankind!
Actually,Kerry survives cause he's better at righting himself after flipping.
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Hey - it's my BOY! I gotta be proud.
He ruled.
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I thout yoiu said Kerry was your soulmate.. :)
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No - I said he displays leadership abilities, which lends itself to good team building skills.
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I have to admit I laughed when Kerry bashed Bush's unilateral sanctions on Iran and Bush responded with "that was the previous administration".
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Yeah . He ruled all right.
I have a plan for Iraq.
I have a plan for Iran.
I have a plan for North Korea.
blah, blah, blah , blah....etc.
Anyone can get up and say I have a plan.
Bush has a plan too and his is working.
30 days to election and I doubt we'll ever hear any details of Kerrys wonderful plans.
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What about all that our minds are aroused by same sort of stuff and think alike and atre in sync.. ;)
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Yeah but you gotta admit Martlet - yer goofin' was reduced to slim pickins tonight.
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You guys who are claiming Kerry dodged gobs of questions and Bush didn't either have the candidates mixed up, watched a different debate or are smaking crack. Take your pick.
Kerry 7
Bush 2
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey - it's my BOY! I gotta be proud.
He ruled.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...
Kerry did better than I thought he would but the
Pass the Global test was a BIG gaff.
If Bush was a better speaker, Kerry would have decimated.
In all, I think this debate worked in Kerry's favor by a small margin but not enough to save his candidacy.
I don't think the next 2 debates will carry much weight. I would wager 75% of those watching this one tuned out after 30 mins, and I know the next 2 will not get nearly as much viewership.
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Looks to me like if you were a strong supporter of one or the other you believe that your man won the debate. Can't wait to see what the media comes up with on this.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
I would wager 75% of those watching this one tuned out after 30 mins, and I know the next 2 will not get nearly as much viewership.
That's plenty enough.
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I was impressed with Kerry. I understood clearly what he was saying. Thats why Im voting for Bush.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah but you gotta admit Martlet - yer goofin' was reduced to slim pickins tonight.
Hey, any time Bush opens his mouth and it takes less than 30 seconds for his brain to catch up, I'm a happy guy.
Here's another great line:
"what is he going to say, please come help us out with our great diversion?"
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Yeah that's what you wanna see inna Prez...
Taken to its logical conclusion; wind the guy up and let him speak for 30 minutes straight and his brain will only be involved in a coupla seconds of it.
Know what?
Along with the undecided voters, I gotta feeling - whether you admit it or not - that a bunch of you learned a lot more about Kerry tonight than you knew before tonight.
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Originally posted by Nash
Along with the undecided voters, I gotta feeling - whether you admit it or not - that a bunch of you learned a lot more about Kerry tonight than you knew before tonight.
I'm from Boston. I think I have a pretty good handle on Kerry.
Like I said, I think it's a wash. No votes moved tonight.
Right now, a wash is a win for Bush.
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The scorecard says...
kerry = i'm not bush
bush = what you see is what you get
Serious questions for Nash, et al.
Aren't there other more important attributes for a President rather than whether or not he is good at public speaking?
How does Kerry show good leadership skills?
You seem to be implying that Bush does not having leadership skills. How so?
Everyone knows how Bush stands on the issues. Doesn't it concern you that no one seems to know how Kerry stands on the issues?
Doesn't Kerry just simply look like Treebeard the Ent from Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers? Come on, you really want him as president?
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I thought both were dissapointing,
Both repeated what they said numerous times, Kerry couldnt land the hit I really thought was gonna happen and Bush just couldnt say what he could have said that in my eyes would make him look better than Kerry.
Both fouled up Saddam and Osama in the first 20 minutes, They both just seemed like Broken Records. Kerry's remark on giving the Iranians Nuclear Fuel and making sure they "be good" with it was possibly the most stupidest thing my ears have ever heard.But as I said earlier, Bush just couldnt seem to land anything I was interested in hearing.
I'm interested in the Vice Debate, I'm sure all watch all of them.
My Score-
Kerry 5
Bush 4
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Will one of you Kerry loving homos please tell me what this means: John Kerry: ".....left us in shatters"
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Bah, soccer practice with the kids...
Sounds like if "Bush wept" then that just swung 12% of the soccer mom votes to his side ;)
We"ll call him "George Winfrey" after he's re-elected :)
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Drunky - as soon as you start comparing the appearence of the president or potential president to... what, a monkey? a tree? a robot?
...is the minute I kinda tune out.
Read my lips - You will not have to have sex with either of them.
I have a few ugly friends... at least I think so... But like... what does that even mean?
Moving on...
Yes there are more important attributes than speaking effectively in public.
But not many.
Because the words you choose are the words you mean. And are the thoughts you think. No divorcing that.
Bush doesn't have "leadership abilities" (even though I was goofin' on that) because he is dumb enough to latch onto the wrong things.
He doesn't lead. Don't kid yerselves. He gets lead.
What else? Oh Treebeard... again, I dunno about all that...
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Ask them to come join us in our "great diversion"?
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I give it very slightly to Kerry. If Bush could speak, he'd have come out a lot better.
Kerry's "I have a plan" reminded me of Nixon. Yeah... guess what... we've ALL got plans, buddy. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Telling me you've got one too doesn't really impress me. He didn't impress me with his thoughts or "plans" but he does speak much more effectively than Bush.
Bush just stumbles around when speaking. He can't organize his thoughts and vocally express them clearly on short notice. I do think he knows what he wants to say but man, it must have to run quite an obstacle course from the brain to the vocal cords. It can be like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
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Train wreck.... what an apt description if there ever was one.
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I think Bush looked tired toward the end. I think kerrie won on a strict debate sense but...
I think that in those swing states.... the people thought they were looking at a slick politician when they looked at kerrie and someone more like themselves when they looked at Bush. I think all the metropolitan taxi riding broadway show going ameristalker, apartrment dwellers thought, and still think, that the debate winning college style is all that counts. Bush still resonates to the middle American after the debate.
kerrie played to the people who allready are desperately wanting him to look good in the debates.
least that is how I saw it.
lazs
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As far is this debate, the polls, this election goes.... it comes down to one single thing.
A referendum on the job Bush has done.
In order to toss out the person responsible for such a horrible job, the public needs to see a viable alternative.
Not an inspirational one. Not a brilliant one. Just a viable one.
Up to now, the viability of Kerry was in question...
It is no longer in question.
He is viable. Clearly. And hundreds of thousands of people who only knew Kerry through ads are saying to themselves "Wow, it turns out that there IS a choice here."
That's all Kerry needed - and it's what he got.
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Kerry smoked him, but I think lazs is probably right. Kerry probably won back the democrats he had been losing. He needs to pull a trifecta to swing the undecided voters. All in all a win for Kerry, but not a knockout.
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None of this proves that Kerry is viable, it only proves the obvious, that Kerry is a better speaker.
The impact of this debate, IMO, will be to fire up Kerry supporters moreso than bring in significant numbers of new ones.
I'm still not enthusiastic about either candidate...
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Bush will never be an eloquent speaker. Kerry will never be President.
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No - tonight showed that Kerry is a viable choice.
Say what you want about the positions they took.
Kerry is a viable choice.
That leap.... from some wackjob flip flopper... to viable.... Is huge.
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I have a plan for Iraq.
I have a plan for Korea.
I have a plan for Homeland Security.
And I am a very good public speaker.
There Nash, am I a viable choice now? Dang no I'm not, not born here and not yer 35 years old...
But by your standards I am, and i have been living here more than 14 years...
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No there is a difference.
Because he articulated his.
Bush was the guy throwing out rhetorical junk bellybutton crap.
TERROR! SCARY!
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Articulated what?
Tell me what did I miss?
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Grun - what are we talking about here?....
Their scripts? Or this debate?
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He is viable. Clearly.
ROFL. You are either kidding or stupid.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Nah. I'd probably have to say it was a wash. I don't think that debate moved any votes.
I'd have to agree.
Kerry did alot better then I thought he would and Bush didnt do as well as I thought he would.
But Kerry still managed to screw up on two issues.
1- He flip flopped again on Iraq. Actually there were a couple points on Iraq he messed up on besides that.
2- is the North Korea issue
I didnt see Bush tear up or cry as a couple folks put it but he didnt seem as sharp as he could have been.
There were a few instances where I thought he really coulda nailed Kerry and didnt
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Oh no... please don't get me wrong here Steve.... I'm not saying, I mean, uh, terrists and teh nukular... er...
Fight fear! I mean..... BOO!
er I mean....
I may be stupid, Steve, but I aint kidding.
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Haha, Nash stoopid and poo poo head!
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Grun - what are we talking about here?....
Their scripts? Or this debate?
I think he's talking about this debate.
The one where Kerry was articulating a position on topics that was 180 degrees from his current record as a Senator and treasonus military hero.
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Very funny SOB... VERY FUNNAY...
SEE CHOO AT CON 2 THOU FIVER!
Get yer game face on, dead man.
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Blooz..... pssst.... Kerry won the debate didn't he? Didn't he?
You can tell me - I won't spread it....
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Look at the Emperor and Prime Minister exchanging blows:lol...
The United States monitors all Diplomatic Channels...
;)
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SOB needs to die!
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you guys watched that crap on tv. while bush and kerry debated i got a nap in. i win.
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Wow Nash. You seem super sensitive. While I scrolled down the posts you seem to be on average every second or third post.
Are you compensating for something?
[edit] 63 posts so far. 28 are Nash's. That's over 1/3.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
SOB needs to die!
I would defend SOB with your life. and probably with several other people's lives too.
There. Take that you big meanie. Leave my SOB alone.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Are you compensating for something?
We were jabberin' throughout the debate. I know it must look weird after the debate ends.... but we all prolly ditched IRC ages ago, so here we are.
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I think it was one of those debates where those who like Bush will say he won...and Kerry supporters will say their guy won.
Kerry's weird stats ($200 billion spent when less than $120 billion has been spent......only the rich got tax cuts, yet the tax cuts cut rates for *all* taxpyers, etc etc) threw me. He seemed to "toss in" these jabs as the clock ticked down.
Then for Bush, he rambles a bit and is just tough to sit and listen to. I admire him for coming across as an average guy. But for goodness sake, show me you've rehearsed your responses. My Speech Teacher would've beat the "Umm's" out of him by now!
I like Bush, nothing really changed there. Kerry came off as lecturing at times.
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I watched the debate down at my local. The concesus, "This is the best that the US can come up with?".
The solution, "Kick them both in the junk.".
Blooz,
"Bush has a plan too and his is working."
You are out of your ****ing mind, at least to all the people that are employed to make such assessments.
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Nash, I'm just busting your chops, buddy.
Yes, I think you're whacko for supporting Kerry, but I still luv ya.
Take a shot at this: How is Kerry "viable" about Iraq?
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Originally posted by Steve
Take a shot at this: How is Kerry "viable" about Iraq?
Heh, Kerry has a plan (as ill founded it may or may not be) for turning around the circumstances there. What's Bush's? Things are getting worse and worse. What is the projected out come of "staying this course"? What's Bush's solution to it?
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Kerry has a plan (as ill founded it may or may not be) for turning around the circumstances there.
What is this plan?
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Originally posted by Steve
What is this plan?
What Steven, some Canukian moron can find this but you, who can actually vote for or against this tard, can't?
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html
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From what ive seen so far (watching rerun now), "we" need two new contestants.
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Originally posted by Nash
Bush almost broke down and WEPT!
yeah
when describing his meeting of the fallens soldiers wife and son, Bush should have laughed and smiled... stupid Bush
some of you are so far up skerries arse, you don't even know that your "war hero" just got the crap kicked out of him .. WITH HIS OWN WORDS!!
LOL LOL LOL
LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!!!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
From what ive seen so far (watching rerun now), "we" need two new contestants.
That'll happen next week when Cheney swallows that pansy from NC whole.
After sleeping on the debate, my mind hasn't changed. Kerry won on points. If swing voters saw teary eyes instead some other cause to the blinking, Kerry will gain some ground. Personally, I don't think anybody is going to run a story saying 'Bush cried' (ESPECIALLY since he didn't try to wipe anything out of his eyes).
Kerry did better in the debate then Bush, but it won't win him much when the effect filters down through the electoral college.
All told, I think Kerry's 'constant' position is indefensible. He approved of the war in Iraq, but not how it was prosecuted because Bush didn't pull together more allies, yet he would never allow another country to decide when we go to war. If I understand him correctly, then I don't like his logic.
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I don't really care much for Kerry either, but Bush has to be the worst public speaker in politics. He really does seem to have no idea at all on how to answer questions or carry a debate.
If it had been a proper debate where they could question each other and away with all the rules it really would of been something to watch.
Just amazes me how someone that is so bad at public speaking can be in politics in the first place let alone president.
...-Gixer
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Again, I think George did great. We have always known that he wasn't a good speaker.
So.. fine... Kerry wins the "best debate performance" catagory
but on substance I think George took him down. GW was on the defense most of the time but I think that he didn't give any ground.
btw... I'm not a GWB fan but Kerry didn't give any reasons why HE should be president besides that he'll work hard and that he has this nebulus miracle plan that will save the world.
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I find it interesting that Kerry thinks we should be mulitlateralist in Iraq and the war on terror (and we are IMHO) and unilateralist in Korea. I read that Kerrys sister is in Austrailia teling them that they should not back Bush in Iraq because it makes them unsafe. So how "exactly" is he (kerry) going to get more countries involved if this is his position?
Kerry won the debate on style. Niether of them said anything we could point to and say hmmm thats news.
I kniw who I am voting for so the debate really was not a page turner for me.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
From what ive seen so far (watching rerun now), "we" need two new contestants.
LMAO I've been saying THAT since the last election.
Really what we need is a legitimate 3rd party
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Did anyone else roll their eyes when Lurch told that BS Story about meeting 2 soliders on their way back to Iraq, who told him, "We need you" or something like that?
What a load of crap.
Bush could have nailed Kerry on one point.
Kerry wants Bi-lateral talks with North Korea, leaving the rest of the world out...
But then wants to bring the whole world in on Iraq.
Not that this argument is without holes, but to the average slack jaw, Bush could have made this look like another case of Kerry indecision.
Hey, how come the Canadian presidential debates are not televised here in the US?
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Should be interesting to see how the next two debates go.
Next one is on Domestic policy.
Whats the third one about?
Anyway. If Bush's team is smart they are gonna nail Kerry on the inconsistancies (flipflops) in this last debate.
( yes he did flipflop.)
And on Kerry's claimed plans for which he hasnt explained how he plans on paying for.
And these imaginary Tax cuts for the rich only.
If Kerry is smart he will keep on the same path he is on
and pick one stance on an issue and stay there.
Early polls are suggesting that people think Kerry won the debate but still trust bush more to be commander in Cheif.
Also interesting to note that the person who wins the first debate isnt the one that always wins the election.
Kerry did himself a world of good last night
But its still Bush's election to loose
There is one point Bush made where he really scored on with me.
"I understand everybody in this country doesn't agree with the decisions I've made. And I made some tough decisions. But people know where I stand."
Agree with him or not Bush does decide to do something then does it. And thats what a leader is supposed to do and not just make decisions based on whats popular
That I can at least respect even if I dont agree with those decisions.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Kerry wants Bi-lateral talks with North Korea, leaving the rest of the world out...
But then wants to bring the whole world in on Iraq.
IMO Kerrys idea on Korea is just dead wrong and foolish.
And Bush has it spot on right.
China is the best hope for change there and China makes sence.
Letting the UN handle it would be just another Iraq situation where resolution after resolution would be passed with no change
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Originally posted by Nash
As far is this debate, the polls, this election goes.... it comes down to one single thing.
A referendum on the job Bush has done.
Wrong.
What this election boils down to is one simple question:
What candidate do our enemies least want to win the election?
Vote for that man.
My regards,
Widewing
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G. Bush is a hood ornamnet for Cheneys oil stealing war machine. he is no public speaker and probably doesnt make any real decisions in the oval office. Cheney is the man. I feel for Mr Bush. I fear Dick Cheney.
It just goes to show that Bush is not knowledgeable about his ploicies, nor does he have any real opinion on them, and I feel the rest of the debates are gonna be canceled.
The "we gotta beat the turrizts' crap is getting real old. Saddam Hussien was an evil despot, but, as you can see, he had no choice with the religious freaks he had to deal with. Bush is using the same methods as Hussien to try to gain control over Iraq, only saddam was far more effective.
If they do hold elections in January, Hussein may very well win as a write in candidate.:rofl
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Of course Saddm will win the elections whitehawk, its tough to beat a guy who got a whopping 100% of the vote the last time he ran for public office..
Btw the blackhawks are on the way, better get out the tinfoil hats too, just to be safe.. :)
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On the all important appearence issue its a draw -- Mr. Ed. vs Alfred E. Neuman. Gonna be a tough one.
Charon
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Bush proved one thing from the debate, he is the president to the vice president.
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ha ha
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
G. Bush is a hood ornamnet for Cheneys oil stealing war machine.
I keep hearing this yet I have yet to see any evidence of it.
funny thing is I keep hearing it from people and not from the Democratic party.
Hell even they gave up that arguement months and months ago.
You know something they dont?
Please Share your irrifutable evidence wiht the rest of the civilized world.
Or in the case of these boards the notso civilized world
LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I keep hearing this yet I have yet to see any evidence of it.
funny thing is I keep hearing it from people and not from the Democratic party.
Hell even they gave up that arguement months and months ago.
You know something they dont?
Please Share your irrifutable evidence wiht the rest of the civilized world.
Or in the case of these boards the notso civilized world
LOL
Forget it Dred.
This one's eeing black helo's.
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What Steven, some Canukian moron can find this but you, who can actually vote for or against this tard, can't?
I'm not saying you are a moron... it was an honest question. I didn't look for it.