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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on October 01, 2004, 01:13:32 AM
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Both CBS and ABC released quickie reaction polls. The CBS survey of 200 "fence sitters" showed 44 percent said Kerry won, 26 percent said Bush won and 30 percent said it was a tie. The ABC numbers were similar in that 45 percent gave the edge to Kerry while 36 chose Bush and 17 percent said it was a tie.
Stephanie Cutter, the Kerry campaign communications director, told FOX News that their internal flash polling showed Kerry's favorability going from 43 to 68 percent. The Kerry campaign usually doesn't release internal polls.
FOX News' political contributors largely agreed that Kerry came out ahead.
Source? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134165,00.html):aok
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You do realize that by posting this you invalidate every claim that fox news is not a viable source of information right?
PS
I happen to agree with the report.......
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In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 615 registered voters who watched the first debate, most said Kerry did the better job and nearly half said the debate made them think more favorably toward Kerry.
By narrow margins Bush came out better on believability, likeability and toughness. But there was virtually no change among those polled on which candidate would handle Iraq better or make a better commander in chief.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.main/index.html
Pretty much sums up the debate to and what it means to Kerry in my opinion. In other words, nothing.
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oops! I forgot the cherry on top:
"There was a chance that the president would knock Kerry out of the race tonight. ... I think Kerry survived and I think he did pretty well tonight. Kerry was forceful and articulate," said William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard. "He did a pretty good job of making the case that the invasion of Iraq was wrong."
Booyah!
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rpm, the CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll sighted over 600 actual voters, the poll you sighted listed 200 "fence sitters"
As I predicted earlier, Kerry gains nothing from the debate. Bush performed as bad as can be imagined, yet people believed him, liked him, thought he was tougher than Kerry.
Also, there was no change in which candidate would handle Iraq better or make a better commander in chief.
Isn't that sad?
It's cute how excited you are over it though.
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Originally posted by NUKE
"...Kerry gains nothing from the debate..."
Quite wrong....
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Originally posted by Nash
Quite wrong....
well, save a link to my quote and then tell me I am wrong after the election.
Poo Face!
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YOU are the poo face.... YOU ARE THE POO FACE!!!
Nah, I'm not into BBS searches or making people eat their words. If everyone did that, frankly, I'd be screwed.
But bringing this back to the thread at hand.... It aint true that Kerry gained nothing.
He just had to hold his own against a sitting President. To present himself as a viable alternative.
It swings back to a referendum on Bush's Presidency, with a viable alternative in place.
The negative ads, the flipper flooper crap will seem lame now. Because it doesn't match what everyone has now seen. That wad has been shot.
What's left?
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Wow Nuke, I didn't realise you were more knowledgeable and respected than the editor of The Weekly Standard. You do this for a living, too?
Note to Nuke: Fox cited 3 polls, not one. Is your last name Rather?
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In a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 615 registered voters who watched the first debate, most said Kerry did the better job and nearly half said the debate made them think more favorably toward Kerry.
By narrow margins Bush came out better on believability, likeability and toughness. But there was virtually no change among those polled on which candidate would handle Iraq better or make a better commander in chief.
Anyone hear "spin" ???
The poll does not list actual numbers. "most" said Kerry did a better job? what's the percentage?
"By narrow margins Bush came out better on believability, likeability and toughness."
So using the words of the report, the MAJORITY believe Bush came out better on believability, likeability and toughness.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Note to Nuke: Fox cited 3 polls, not one. Is your last name Rather?
Note to RPM: I never mentioned how many sources they cited.
It's funny that you mention Rather, when CBS was one of your sources for the "poll" you cited.
Damn I'm good.
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We haven't seen the day Fox News spins something Kerry's way. I'm posting THEIR story. I didn't write it, sorry. Oh, I know evil left wing liberals hacked Fox's website!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm371
We haven't seen the day Fox News spins something Kerry's way. I'm posting THEIR story. I didn't write it, sorry. Oh, I know evil left wing liberals hacked Fox's website!:rolleyes:
to bad it's not a "FOX" story.
Now how about your "Rather" statement?
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Originally posted by NUKE
rpm, the CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll sighted over 600 actual voters, the poll you sighted listed 200 "fence sitters"
Want to see it in slo-mo?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Want to see it in slo-mo?
Instead, how about I just quote you?
Both CBS and ABC released quickie reaction polls. The CBS survey of 200 "fence sitters" showed 44 percent said Kerry won, 26 percent said Bush won and 30 percent said it was a tie. The ABC numbers were similar in that 45 percent gave the edge to Kerry while 36 chose Bush and 17 percent said it was a tie.
Stephanie Cutter, the Kerry campaign communications director, told FOX News that their internal flash polling showed Kerry's favorability going from 43 to 68 percent. The Kerry campaign usually doesn't release internal polls.
FOX News' political contributors largely agreed that Kerry came out ahead.
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So, did you count the polls? Let's find out...1, 2, 3 (crunch), 3. Admit it, you misspoke. It's not that big of a deal really, unless you just can't admit you made a mistake.
Wait a second...Bush has a similar problem.
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Originally posted by rpm371
So, did you count the polls? Let's find out...1, 2, 3 (crunch), 3. Admit it, you misspoke. It's not that big of a deal really, unless you just can't admit you made a mistake.
Wait a second...Bush has a similar problem.
sorry dude, now you lost me.
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Isn't the Weekly Standard a republican paper? If it even says Kerry did a pretty good job, then I would have to say Kerry won the debate. The election is another story but we all can hope.
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Originally posted by NUKE
rpm, the CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll sighted over 600 actual voters, the poll you sighted listed 200 "fence sitters"
OK, I'll use slo-mo. You were attempting to belittle the Fox News quote saying the CNN/USA Today/ Gallup poll has more people. You failed to notice that there were 3 polls cited, not one. CBS, ABC and Kerry's internal. The ABC and Kerry polls did not list how many people were surveyed.
For some reason, you won't admit there were 3 polls. Like I said, it's no big deal. You just misspoke but instead of saying, "oops, you are right" and continuing with your thought...
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Oh keep it in your shorts youse guys.
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If you people believe that polls are actually accurate and unbiased then the matirx really does have you..
CBS poll = Kerry Wins...
Fox poll = Bush wins...
ABC poll = stalemate
CNN poll = who knows wtf they are saying.. Both canidates win...
DoctorYo's personal poll... Bush is a poor public speaker.. Kerry senses weakness and railroads him...(he was like Yale champion, go figure) especially in the begining; Bush later musters some steam and gets his points across in the end..
I found the debate humorous.. From the demanding extra time (Sorry Jim L. the rules you set didn't last too long..) To the stuttering, to the talk of Iraq while talking about DPRK.. I had a laugh..
"Of course we went after Saddam eh eh eh Osama.... " it was hysterical...
The begining of the debate when Kerry was ripping him, Bush had the http://www.MyPetGoat.com look on his face.. At least he is very consistent..
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm
ehe eh ehe duh eh no bilateral talks ehe heh Kim Il eh No bilateral talks...
heres the debate transcripts without all the pauses and eh eh.. eh.. um eh...
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html
DoctorYo
PS: both canidates suck(one tells you everything you want to hear and the other is not the sharpest tool in the shed..) but this is the lesser of two evils election you decide in November..
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Badda Bing!!!
Boooyaaa!
Yowza!
Woot!
and a nanner nanner.
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Best part of the whole debate-
hearing Bush say over and over how it's important for a President to speak clearly.
now thats just good stuff.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Badda Bing!!!
Boooyaaa!
Yowza!
Woot!
and a nanner nanner.
I'm registered to vote.
For Bush I guess. Just don't take me wrong, you do sound retarded to everyone, yes?
woot
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Originally posted by Creamo
I'm registered to vote.
For Bush I guess. Just don't take me wrong, you do sound retarded to everyone, yes?
woot
Yeehaw.
:aok
ijit.
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Bush: "I am a good president..."
Kerry: "I am not Bush..."
Bush: "We're making the world safer..."
Kerry: "I served in Vietnam..."
It's the same rhetoic I've been hearing for the last six months. Who won? Hard to tell, really. Both of them spoke well, both of them sidestepped and both of them backpedaled. In the end, they ended up in the same place they started...
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quote:Both CBS and ABC released quickie reaction polls. The CBS survey of 200 "fence sitters" showed 44 percent said Kerry won, 26 percent said Bush won and 30 percent said it was a tie. The ABC numbers were similar in that 45 percent gave the edge to Kerry while 36 chose Bush and 17 percent said it was a tie.
Stephanie Cutter, the Kerry campaign communications director, told FOX News that their internal flash polling showed Kerry's favorability going from 43 to 68 percent. The Kerry campaign usually doesn't release internal polls.
FOX News' political contributors largely agreed that Kerry came out ahead.
I saw the same thing about the flash poll.
Lets remember that this was an INTERNAL poll
So its not like you were gonna find a whole lot of anti Kerry people LOL
Been checking out the diffeent channels and most say Kerry won Debate. But they also are saying that while Kerry won the debate the same people polled thought Bush was the better leader.
So as I said in another thread. they thought Kerry had a better line of BS but bush was the better man for Prez.
Before all the Kerry supporters get too far going on their Brewhaha remember the person that wins the first debate is often the person that looses the election
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Originally posted by Nash
Nah, I'm not into BBS searches or making people eat their words. If everyone did that, frankly, I'd be screwed.
Heh, wouldn't we all!:p
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And the numbers dont add up. If the polls were remotely accurate (3%), they would show a somewhat consistant ratio. However they actually differ greatly by 20-30% on some scales so Im inclined to think that they are prone to the the types of people who go to these places to take these polls. Take example Gallop poll has for weeks now shown Bush a was ahead of Kerry. After the debate last night, its polls reflected a 30/50 split. Msnbc showed a 30/70 split. They're inconsistant because of the types of samples that are being taken are subjective. Gallop pollsters tend to be more rep and cnn types tend to be more dems.