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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beurling on January 10, 2001, 01:01:00 PM
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I know alot of you guys have these.
I do not use them. I feel this is a unfair advantage.
Anyone else think its unrealistic? I dont mind custom gunsights but moveing the head up and forward that needs to be changed.
This is the one place the view system sucks.
RW pilots had belts that kept them from looking over the nose in fights. You think they would pull 3 g's sit forward and look?
This was ww2 a age before super nutrition and gh laced milk. How many 6 foot 6 guys flew fighters? Raiseing your view up that hi is totaly unrealistic.
This is a crutch imo.
EYE
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Where'd ya see these? 1st I've heard of it.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 01-10-2001).]
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Huh? Does he know sumthin' that we don't?
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sounds like...
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Smells like....
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It is.
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If you're talking about the ability to 'rise up' in your seat while flying, I challenge you to dogfight from that position...not only does your gunsight disappear, but your view for angle and trajectory is so distorted that it makes it damn near impossible for me to hit a B17 at d100 yards away...try it.
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What he talks about is this:
Go into your gunsight file and edit (move) the aiming reticle to the top of the file.
Then go into your plane, fire your guns and move you head up in the seat so that the bullit convergence is aligned with the newly raised reticle.
What this does is allow you a little bit more of a view over the cowling but no by much. People have been doing this since beta. Does it help in a scrap? I dont know.
IS it a cheat? depends on what your definition of IS is.
I personally dont think it is.
Yeager
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Well that an easy answer, let's say the travel to a full upright position is 6", now figure that the cowling is what, about 8 feet out there? Do the math, hardly worth the effort for viewing that addional 1 foot of A/C that just went under your nose.
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Hell I call it sighting you're gun in.
What the hell happened in real life if a pilot was to tall. hell I move my point of view all the time to the top but not the gun site I find it to hard to match it just perfect. If players have the fenesse to get there gunsight re-alighned and sighted in just perfect to get a few inches of vew over the nose more power to them!<S>
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I am one of those, I still s*ck at Gunnery though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Does give you a little "edge" in the Pony or P47 view, but not much in anything else. (forget about it for the 109's).
Saw
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Read Andy Bush's new article...tells of this little adjustment. Yeags correct...been done since early beta...I tried it and didn't like that I couldn't see my gauges as well.
Different Strokes....
Ice
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I heard about it many times too, but still do not know anyone who tried it and stayed with it. It gives some advantage in turn fight, but if you tries to snap at long distance it makes it harder. Actually I tried it for 2 weeks, but found that this put my gunnery down on some 10-15%, so went back to old one.
And it is not a cheating IMO.
Fariz
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Most WW2 aircraft have vertically adjustable seats. Usually, the canopy determines how far you can raise it; an average height guy can bump his head on the perspex using seat height adjustment.
Sitting height is a personal preference. I used to work with a guy that always ran the seat full up. Most guys set it so that they are looking out the middle of the front windscreen in my experience. Anyway, full up worked real well for this guy; said he could see more of the runway. I tried it and went back to my old place.
As Ice said. Different strokes.
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I dont think its cheating.
I do think the front view should be the same for all.
No mods alowed.
EYE
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Not every WWII pilot was the same height, either. I suspect there were some with longer torso's than others, which would put their eyes at a different height in the cockpit. Deal with it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gordo
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 01-10-2001).]
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There are no real mods to AH. You can do the same thing they can. We all can. If you choose not to, fine. That doesn't mean your choice should restrict that of others.
-Westy
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well, if someone manages to make the cockpit transparent.. give me a call.... *grin* (j/k)
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Toad has hit the nail on the head...seats are adjustable in height.
In RL, this vertical adjustment does not have the limiting effect on viewing the sight as it does in AH.
In RL, I always ran my seat up...I wanted max lookout...of course in some a/c, this was more effective than in others. It didn't make much difference in the F-104, but in the A-10, it made a huge difference. I always wondered when I went out to fly and found that the previous pilot had bottomed out the seat...we jokingly passed it off as 'fear of birdstrikes'!
I set my seat in the DC-9 higher than most...out of habit, I suppose...but, to me, it gives me a better look over the nose.
So, you folks can have the same in AH. As I said in the article, not all AH aircraft will allow this mod...those that do, permit a little improvement over the nose, particularly to one side or the other.
All I ask is that it not be labeled a cheat...someone else might disagree and call it 'realism'!!
Andy
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I made my own sight that uses this "move up" routien, I use it on the f6,tbm andeverything else I fly, i get a little extra peek but i would not say its enough to giv anyone a real advantage in a dogfight, however it DOES help when using rockets and bombs because you have a little better veiw of the target for longer any you can take a shallower angle, oh and in RL Im 6'3 so i dont feel too guilty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The problem with raising your gunsight and zoomed view is that is also raises the unzoomed forward view.
I can't stand it to not be able to see all of my guages when I "raise the seat" so to speak. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
To each his own, I guess.
I would encourage everyone to read Andy's article at Simhq.com. There is a lot more to it than just raising your gunsight.
gos
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Ahh, but there is a solution to that Gatt.
There are really two forward views in AH. There is "default" (forward) view, and there is a "forward" view that you can map to a key. Now, on my hat I use the forward position for the 45 degree up forward view, which is very important for dogfighting. I also use an adjusted upwards gunsight, so I move my seat forward and up a bit in the "default" view and save it. I then map another joystick key to "forward" view, and I adjust this one down and back for a full view of the intrument panel. In this way I have an "ACM" view for shooting that works well in the default view, and I can go "head down" and check my panel with a button press on my stick.
It works well. It doesn't really make much difference, just gives me a bit more visability in the bottom part of the gunsight on the Jug.
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If you want to complain about AH views, complain about the ability of the pilot to set his rear view to the 'full forward' position, whilst pulling a 5g turn to clear his 6 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AH gives us all these wonderful, configurable view positions, but to imagine that an average pilot could lean over the dash whilst pulling high G evasives is a little beyond belief don't you think?
How about this for an idea? If your shoulder and lap straps are loose you can crane around and get all those 'full forward, full up' rear and rear quarter views, BUT your G tolerance is reduced. Strap yourself tight into the seat and you may not be able to check your 6 so well, but you'll hold the advantage in high G maneuvering (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I blanked out my gunsight so it doesn't exist. I use tracers to aim, not that head-bobbling distraction of a gunsight.
With the Typhoon and other bubble canopy fighters, you can jack you seat up pretty far and see over the nose better.
Stinks in the 109 and 190s though, but they don't exactly have that much room to move around in the cockpit in real life either, so this is accurate (more or less).
I agree, this is not a cheat. FYI, navy Hellcat and Corsair aircraft can jack their seats up so far the pilot has to roll the canopy back to get enough headroom. Either that or press one ear against the top of the canopy bubble and look at the world sideways.
Hans.
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You're all rutabagas.
I close my eyes and use the force like a real man! Sooner or later one of them couple a hundred hispano rounds will hit somethin...
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Jekyll
Your point about freedom of movement in the AH cockpit while pulling heavy G loads has merit. The view customization feature is a great way to increase the view lookout coverage of a particular view (and I use the feature to maximize the lookout on each of my views), but it may not be 'realistic' to some when considering the effect of G on the pilot.
One note...I routinely loosened my seat belt and shoulder straps (which and how varied with type of aircraft)when flying an A2A mission. My objective was to improve my view behind my wingline. Such practice does not have a negative effect on G resistance in most cases. Your point is really academic. No doubt there are body positions that are more susceptible to G than others...but, in the grand scheme of things, that issue is relatively moot in RL A2A maneuvering.
Andy
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I do think the front view should be the same for all.
No mods alowed.
EYE
So.. you are arguing for no adjustable head positions at all? Or just in the forward position?
To be honest.. the gain in the forward view via adjusting head position is minimal compared to the gain in the 6 view. Why aren't you worried about people doing that?
Oh.. yeah.. its called a troll.
AKDejaVu
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the problem is the view limits on some planes are unrealistic and overly generous
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Nope no troll.
I think all should have to use the same front view to shoot.
The advantage you get is small but enough to help you with the shot.
That extra fraction of a sec it gives you is alot imo. Why its that last little bit of sight right at the time your setting up your shot. Im talking about a turning shot.
I just think the new guys should have the same front view as some one who has been here since beta.
Part of me says its all the little details like this that keeps people here and interested.
How many never knew of this mod if you read above it seems as alot of guys did not know about it.
EYE
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Ya Cit, like the P38. Perk it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
PERK THE VIEWS!
-Westy
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Beurling,
Like adjusting the 6 view.. it is a "feature". As a "feature", it is available to everyone. There is no more "unfairness" involved here than with knowing how to use any "FEATURE" in the game. Newbies will always suffer as the result of not knowing all of the "features". Its just the way it is.
AKDejaVu
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AKdeja had a good point, it isnt exactly unfair if EVERYONE in the game can do it, thats like saying "well my rudder got shot off so now everyone that uses their rudder is cheating!"
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btw here is my sight..
(http://www.geocities.com/thewobbleus/wobsight.jpg)
It may look a litle odd but its for reasons.
1. the ood red/black color scheme makes it stand out very well against any background.
2. it uses the "raise head" aiming.
3. the figure at the bootem is intended to help with the aiming of rockets/bombs, and kinda aids in landing..
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 01-13-2001).]
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Here is my gunsite.
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