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Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Muckmaw1 on October 04, 2004, 10:15:20 AM
Look, I'm not stupid. Yet, these people lie to us like I am.

Even if agreed with Kerry's policies, I cannot abide this constant shrill pandering the the extreme left and the lying.

"The Taliban is back running Afghanistan," Heinz Kerry said.

"No American boy or girl should lose their lives for oil," she said.

"Every child in America will receive health care from day one if John is elected. Period," she said.

The Kerry health care plan also will provide catastrophic coverage for all Americans, Heinz Kerry said. Under her husband's plan, the government would pay 75 percent of all medical costs above $50,000 per incident, she said.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04278/390124.stm
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: xrtoronto on October 04, 2004, 10:29:51 AM
Inflammatory
Title: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 10:44:49 AM
Off topic
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: vorticon on October 04, 2004, 10:50:53 AM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Look, I'm not stupid. Yet, these people lie to us like I am.

Even if agreed with Kerry's policies, I cannot abhore this constant shrill pandering the the extreme left and the lying.

"The Taliban is back running Afghanistan," Heinz Kerry said.

"No American boy or girl should lose their lives for oil," she said.

"Every child in America will receive health care from day one if John is elected. Period," she said.

The Kerry health care plan also will provide catastrophic coverage for all Americans, Heinz Kerry said. Under her husband's plan, the government would pay 75 percent of all medical costs above $50,000 per incident, she said.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04278/390124.stm



cant see what your worried about, when was the last time someone kept there election "promises" let alone a great "flip flopper"
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Yeager on October 04, 2004, 11:23:06 AM
That woman is skerry......


:rofl
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Lizking on October 04, 2004, 11:24:23 AM
Bush kept his in 2000.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 11:27:45 AM
How many times did Kerry lie in the debate? Kerry persisted in spreading urban legends. He once again claimed that President Bush fired Gen. Eric Shinseki as chief of staff of the U.S. Army because he demanded more troops for Iraq. That is simply not true (as a Kerry military spinner, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, sheepishly admitted after the debate). Kerry insisted that North Korea obtained nuclear arms during the current Bush administration when in fact the breakthrough came under Bill Clinton.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Muckmaw1 on October 04, 2004, 11:29:53 AM
Its not that I'm worried about what he may do.

It's just insulting to me how these politicians (All fo them) think we are so stupid.

So the taliban is running Afghanistan again?
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Muckmaw1 on October 04, 2004, 11:31:11 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
How many times did Kerry lie in the debate? Kerry persisted in spreading urban legends. He once again claimed that President Bush fired Gen. Eric Shinseki as chief of staff of the U.S. Army because he demanded more troops for Iraq. That is simply not true (as a Kerry military spinner, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, sheepishly admitted after the debate). Kerry insisted that North Korea obtained nuclear arms during the current Bush administration when in fact the breakthrough came under Bill Clinton.


2 major failings for Bush.

He did not make it clear enough,

Kerry can lie all he wants in a debate as long as W lets him get away with it.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 11:31:27 AM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1

So the taliban is running Afghanistan again?



LMAO!

Latest from Dallasnews.com

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DASHT-E-BASCHE, Afghanistan – It's hard to find a starker example of Afghanistan's transformation than the spectacle of a female presidential candidate standing inside a mosque, urging a mostly male audience to vote for her.

In Afghanistan, presidential candidates, male or female, never existed until a few months ago. Such were the barriers between sexes in this deeply conservative society – women risked beating or death if they stood in front of men inside mosques, much less spoke to them. But the greatest evidence of change was in the men's reaction when candidate Massouda Jalal delivered her speech in this dusty town 15 miles west of Kabul on Wednesday: They clapped and cheered – repeatedly.

"Three years back, I couldn't imagine being a candidate for anything, Ms. Jalal said in an interview. "Now I am running for president" in the nation's first elections, set for Saturday.

Internet cafes now occupy street corners that, only two years ago, were littered with rubble and bombed-out Soviet-era tanks. The land-based telephone system has all but been abandoned in favor of cellular phones.

The burqa, a head-to-toe cloak that kept Afghan women faceless, is slowly disappearing from the streets of Afghanistan's capital, Kabul.

Still, not everything is rosy, according to politicians, diplomats, aid workers and Afghans from varied economic and social backgrounds.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Sox62 on October 04, 2004, 11:42:47 AM
Just the other day I heard kerry on CNN talking about how health care costs have risen.

His running mate hasn't helped that at all with all of the million dollar lawsuits for cerebal palsy.

Doctors are now giving costly c-sections in hopes of avoiding lawsuits.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/GMAB_edwards_040723.html
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Furious on October 04, 2004, 11:43:23 AM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Look, I'm not stupid....

... I cannot abhore this constant shrill pandering the the extreme left and the lying.
...

Did you mean "abide"?

Hi Skuzzy.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: MrLars on October 04, 2004, 12:01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
He once again claimed that President Bush fired Gen. Eric Shinseki as chief of staff of the U.S. Army because he demanded more troops for Iraq. That is simply not true (as a Kerry military spinner, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, sheepishly admitted after the debate).  


Gen. Shinseki's replacement was announced a year before his scheduled retirement, this is not SOP. Kerry may have fudged by his statement but the effect on Shinseki's career is the same as being forced into retirement. Circumventing SOP after the general voiced his differences with the administration is telling as to why SOP was not followed.

Sheltering GWB from differing views and hard questions is at the root of his dismal debate performance, IMO.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Sandman on October 04, 2004, 12:23:48 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Bush kept his in 2000.


Guess it depends on your perspective. (http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/campaignslogans.htm)
Title: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Muckmaw1 on October 04, 2004, 12:55:02 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
Did you mean "abide"?

Hi Skuzzy.


You are quite correct.
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: FUNKED1 on October 04, 2004, 01:23:44 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry.


1971
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Horn on October 04, 2004, 01:34:21 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-opium4oct04,1,155601.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Heh, who needs Taliban?

"WASHINGTON — Afghanistan's opium poppy crop this year is set to break all records, surging past the peak levels reported under the Taliban regime, top American and international counter-narcotics officials said."

h
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Horn on October 04, 2004, 01:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Bush kept his in 2000.


Oh please.

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/brokenpromises/

h
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: midnight Target on October 04, 2004, 02:02:31 PM
I tried to find any other reference to the quote "The Taliban is back running Afghanistan,"

Nothing.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm. I wonder what comes after the comma?
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on October 04, 2004, 02:03:48 PM
The Bush daughters are alcoholics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw it on the cover of the National Inquirer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-SW
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 02:11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Horn
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-opium4oct04,1,155601.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Heh, who needs Taliban?

"WASHINGTON — Afghanistan's opium poppy crop this year is set to break all records, surging past the peak levels reported under the Taliban regime, top American and international counter-narcotics officials said."

h


So, our success at preventing Poppy crops are a measure of our success in Afghanistan? :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: sling322 on October 04, 2004, 03:22:46 PM
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Originally posted by Horn
Oh please.

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/brokenpromises/

h



Heh...thats funny.  Using a site named "democrats.com" as a source to prove that the Republicans didnt do something right.

Hilarious.

Try finding an unbiased source next time would ya?
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: jamusta on October 04, 2004, 03:29:59 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Its not that I'm worried about what he may do.

It's just insulting to me how these politicians (All fo them) think we are so stupid.

So the taliban is running Afghanistan again?


Actually they are. So are the warlords. The Karzai only has control of Kabul. The rest of the country is very unstable.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Lizking on October 04, 2004, 03:37:19 PM
That is not what my Bud that just got back from Afghanistan said.  When where you there?
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: jamusta on October 04, 2004, 03:49:54 PM
I have never been there but fortunately being in the military I also have buds there. To believe that Afghanistan is under anyones control is foolish.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Lizking on October 04, 2004, 03:54:18 PM
To believe it has ever been under any one person's control is foolish.  It is under more central control now than it has ever been, and is fixing to have elections.  That is an improvement over any other period of time.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Horn on October 04, 2004, 04:11:28 PM
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Originally posted by sling322
Heh...thats funny.  Using a site named "democrats.com" as a source to prove that the Republicans didnt do something right.

Hilarious.

Try finding an unbiased source next time would ya?


Yes, I'm certain you could find them on any Repub website (insert huge rolleyes here).

h
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Horn on October 04, 2004, 04:15:12 PM
Personal attack
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 04:20:09 PM
Personal attack
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Skuzzy on October 04, 2004, 04:29:17 PM
Alright kiddies, play nice, or the big, bad moderator is going to have to get out his big, bad, bat.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 04, 2004, 04:39:03 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Alright kiddies, play nice, or the big, bad moderator is going to have to get out his big, bad, bat.


Awwwww! Come on! That was a brilliant rebuttal I gave horn, you gotta admit! ;)
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Eagler on October 04, 2004, 04:46:45 PM
too many to list...
here's just one:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3332&can_id=S0421103

many more here:
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103

and this is just his Senate RECORD, i do not even have to touch his half lying comments he spews daily to his brain dead supporters ....

LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!
Title: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Silat on October 04, 2004, 06:36:46 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
too many to list...
here's just one:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3332&can_id=S0421103

many more here:
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103

and this is just his Senate RECORD, i do not even have to touch his half lying comments he spews daily to his brain dead supporters ....

LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!


The abortion issue is one of the deal breakers for me also. I dont want the gov/religion deciding what my daughter decides to do with her body and what is in it.
Title: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 04, 2004, 06:51:46 PM
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Look, I'm not stupid. Yet, these people lie to us like I am.

Even if agreed with Kerry's policies, I cannot abide this constant shrill pandering the the extreme left and the lying.

"The Taliban is back running Afghanistan," Heinz Kerry said.

"No American boy or girl should lose their lives for oil," she said.

"Every child in America will receive health care from day one if John is elected. Period," she said.

The Kerry health care plan also will provide catastrophic coverage for all Americans, Heinz Kerry said. Under her husband's plan, the government would pay 75 percent of all medical costs above $50,000 per incident, she said.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04278/390124.stm


Too bad she doesnt say how much he plans on raising your taxes to do it.
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 04, 2004, 07:01:44 PM
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Originally posted by sling322
Heh...thats funny.  Using a site named "democrats.com" as a source to prove that the Republicans didnt do something right.

Hilarious.

Try finding an unbiased source next time would ya?


he didnt do that did he??

OH YES he DID!
:rofl
Title: Re: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Eagler on October 04, 2004, 07:02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Silat
The abortion issue is one of the deal breakers for me also. I dont want the gov/religion deciding what my daughter decides to do with her body and what is in it.


if she decides "what is in it" in the first place, she may not have to worry about sucking the brains out of an unwanted child 8 months later
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 04, 2004, 07:22:10 PM
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Silat
The abortion issue is one of the deal breakers for me also. I dont want the gov/religion deciding what my daughter decides to do with her body and what is in it.

Quote
Originally posted by Eagler
if she decides "what is in it" in the first place, she may not have to worry about sucking the brains out of an unwanted child 8 months later


Can we like NOT have this discussion again please?

the whole arguement is pointless and nobody is gonna either win or change anyone elses mind
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: midnight Target on October 04, 2004, 09:23:15 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Can we like NOT have this discussion again please?

the whole arguement is pointless and nobody is gonna either win or change anyone elses mind


And this differs from all the other discusions.. how?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: RedTop on October 04, 2004, 09:49:02 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
quote:Can we like NOT have this discussion again please?

the whole arguement is pointless and nobody is gonna either win or change anyone elses mind



Funny....I think the same thing could be said for these political threads about the presidential election as well.

Kerry's wife IMO is a skanky loud mouthed so in so.

Kerry is a flip flopping lying medal throwing far left wing liberal from a place I don't even like. And those are his good traits.


NOW...Im done:lol
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: lazs2 on October 05, 2004, 08:23:25 AM
I don't like to be taxed more.  I want to be taxed less.

I don't want a bigger government control over my life.

I like guns and Hot Rods.

I don't think kerrie is very honest and don't think it is a good example  for people.

I don't want kerrie appointing supreme court judges.

I don't want to see his face or that of his wifes.

I don't want to hear him or his wife.

lazs
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: Ripsnort on October 05, 2004, 08:32:23 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't like to be taxed more.  I want to be taxed less.

I don't want a bigger government control over my life.

I like guns and Hot Rods.

I don't think kerrie is very honest and don't think it is a good example  for people.

I don't want kerrie appointing supreme court judges.

I don't want to see his face or that of his wifes.

I don't want to hear him or his wife.

lazs


^^Now refers to ketchup as "Spicey tomato paste" served with his "Freedom Fries".

:D
Title: No matter what: This is why I can't vote for Kerry..
Post by: lazs2 on October 05, 2004, 08:42:32 AM
nope... but then I never refered to ketchup as heinz either so no big deal.

lazs