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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on October 05, 2004, 01:32:41 PM
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Cars I'd like to have (no particular order):
'96 Impala SS
'71 'Cuda
'67 Mustang
'69 Camaro SS
'66 Malibu SS
hiya Skuzzy :aok
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Hmmm...the force is strong with this one Skuzzy, I think I detect..
dang it, can't get nothing to work today! :(
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I sent you an email Skuzzy.
-SW
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I'd take any one of them.
Also wouldn't mind a '68 El Camino, was my first car and I feel attached to them.
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no options on the 96 but what drivetrains do you like in the other cars?
lazs
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66 chevelle
69 charger
65 gto
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Since we are dreaming...
1965 GTO
1969 Ford Talladega
1969 Ford Boss Mustang
1970 Chrysler Superbird
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I was gonna say, WHAT NO GTO??? But i see it on others list:)
Why do you guys prefer 65 over the other years?
BTW I own 3-65's:)
I like the boxy types ( except women).
NUTTZ
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'88 Lamborghini Quatrovalvole (see here) (http://www.countach.cc/2003/Photos/1987/1988/left_open2003.jpg)
'87 Buick Grand National
'87 Monte Carlo Aerocoupe
'80 Monte Carlo Limited (my first car)
'72 Olds 442
'70 Buick GSX
'69 Dodge Charger 426 hemi
'66 Shelby Cobra 427
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68 GTO 400 ram air 2 with a Muncie 4 speed and 3.90s is my dream car
68 firebird 400
68 Z28 with the real DZ302 solid lifter motor.
70 Boss 302 Stang
70 Transam 455
73 SD transam 455
70 GSX stage 1 455
70 Cuda 440
69 Charger 440
lol I have prolly over 200,000$ in cars listed right there if they were in great shape!
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Screw those cars!
I just want a...
67 Nova witha fuel injected 502ci big block, twin turbos (every car should have a turbo or two :D ), ford 9", and... god i could go on and on about my dream car. :)
The FI is for the streetability aspect of the car. :D
And it will run 8's. :o
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68 charger is better looking than a 69
lazs
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There can be only one...
(http://www.moonbowgraphics.com/lauriesphotogallery/cars/cobra.jpg)
OK, maybe 2... I'd like that little blue number in the back there too.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_94_1058846190.jpg)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
There can be only one...
(http://www.moonbowgraphics.com/lauriesphotogallery/cars/cobra.jpg)
OK, maybe 2... I'd like that little blue number in the back there too.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_94_1058846190.jpg)
It's nice an all... but it's not really a muscle car, IMHO. It's an exotic. ;)
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That Corsair is for sale.
anyone got 1.9 mil I can borrow?
http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/n773RD.htm
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1968 Charger R/T 426 C.I.
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Laz
What year was the Dukes of Hazard Charger? I thought that was a 69?
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The 70 Hemi cuda, goes for 100k alone ( mint)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by GtoRA2
68 GTO 400 ram air 2 with a Muncie 4 speed and 3.90s is my dream car
68 firebird 400
68 Z28 with the real DZ302 solid lifter motor.
70 Boss 302 Stang
70 Transam 455
73 SD transam 455
70 GSX stage 1 455
70 Cuda 440
69 Charger 440
lol I have prolly over 200,000$ in cars listed right there if they were in great shape!
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For me
1945 Jeep
1969Chevelle SS 396
1968 El Camino ss 396
1971 Chevelle ss 454
1971 Mustang Mach1
2005 Mustang GT
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Wow that much now Nuttz, crazy.
I had estimated over 400,000k, but that seemed Nuttily high! lol
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
lol I have prolly over 200,000$ in cars listed right there if they were in great shape!
even though the lamborghini is not what some here call a muscle car i count it... and my list is well over a million $300,000 for the cobra mint easily. another $200,000+ for a mint lamborghini
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believe you are right about the dukes car but... 69 is not near as clean as a 68.
68 grill is clean and simple and the car has round taillights.. the RT is plain mean looking and brutal.
funked is correct in picking the right charger. it needs a 4 or 6 speed tho.
lazs
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(http://www.smartcar-racing.co.uk/IMAGES/smartmad.jpg)
neeeoowww.... neeeeeeeeeeoooooowwwwwwwww!
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As a side note, I think John Snyder owns a 69 hemi Charger, he ran it in the silver state classic a few years back, I think it ran in the 120 MPH zone and finnished the race.
Cant find a link, I found the info on Tiger EFIs web site but it is not there now.
It was painted just like the General Lee
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1967 Corvette 427ci
1969 Camaro z28
1968 Camaro SS
1966 Chevelle SS
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Man all of this stuff sounds soooo good. We have nothing but ricers here. And it's so fricking annoying. Everytime someone revs it in a center U street with a speed limit of 13 mph, i'm so tempted to put a few .45's into the engine block.
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I used to be a vender in the Atlantic City car show. back in 1990 A guy had a 70 1/2 hemi Cuda, 600 miles. Thursday night, setting up he had a for sale sign on it 95k. Friday morning before i opened up, it was sold 105k!! cash!!!!!!
that was 14 years ago, probably alot more now. Gary Barbara here in NE Philly has one revolving on top of his building at Borbeck and RT 1. It's NOT FOR SALE!!
NUTTZ
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wow that much now Nuttz, crazy.
I had estimated over 400,000k, but that seemed Nuttily high! lol
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You'd probably miss, aim low, theres not much to those 4 cycl.
Anytime I'm in the Goat, those "ricers" always rev their motors and you hear that "symulated throaty sound" those after market pipes give off. But not too many have anything past the sound. My wife ALWAYS starts snickering, Once in awhile she lets me off my leash;)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Man all of this stuff sounds soooo good. We have nothing but ricers here. And it's so fricking annoying. Everytime someone revs it in a center U street with a speed limit of 13 mph, i'm so tempted to put a few .45's into the engine block.
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I don't count those expensive european cars as Muscle. Yes they can out handle and out muscle a "muscle car" but IMHO a Muscle car would fall under a "Street driven" car that was readily available to the average car buyer. Production numbers, Etc. Not 1 off's or hand built.
In a major city like Philly, with all the pot-holes, The Lamborghini, would be in the shop every other day, thats taking into account he/she wasn't car-jacked.
But of course I'd trade the Goat for a Lamb. anyday:)
And yes the Cobra is my dream car.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by JB73
even though the lamborghini is not what some here call a muscle car i count it... and my list is well over a million $300,000 for the cobra mint easily. another $200,000+ for a mint lamborghini
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1969 Dodge Daytona with 426
1968 Shelby GT500 with the 428 SOHC
1941 Willys coupe and truck
1940 Ford Pickup and coupe
Ford GT40
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Kinda older than most people's tastes seem to be, but here goes:
1958 Plymouth Fury
1959 Cadillac Eldorado convertable
1935 Dusenberg "SSJ"
For slightly newer, give me a '68 Charger or a '78 Trans Am SE or a '70 ElDorado (say yes to 500 cid).
For the modern era, I'd say I want a Roadmaster, except I have one :)
J_A_B
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1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1
1969 Chevelle 427-425HP (drove one as an NHRA Stock Eliminator car)
1964 Impala SS 409-425HP (owned that one)
1966 Chevy II 327 350HP (owned a clone)
1967 Corvette 427 L-88 (drove an NHRA Stock Eliminator clone)
1984 Buick TType (I own one now)
1970 Buick GSX Stage I
1970 Oldsmobile 442
1970 Chevelle 454 LS-6
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1968 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/55_1097041533_f601a.jpg)
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Six, what is that thing? Sorry, but that's just ugly...
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Muscle cars ive had....
69 Olds 442 ( Well it was my Dads )
68 Stang Fastback, just a 289 in it, but we tweaked it nicely
67 T-Bird (maybe not really a muscle car,but that 390 sure ran nice)
71 Monte Carlo
Older cars i'd like...
34 Ford Coupe
Shelby Gt500
any Chevelle from late sixties
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Originally posted by NUKE
Six, what is that thing? Sorry, but that's just ugly...
A Ferrari Enzo, I think it is awesome looking. I saw the Ford GT on discovery the other night, very nice.
General specifications
Country of origin Italy
Year of introduction 2002
Introduced at 2002 Paris Motorshow
Numbers built 399
Body design Pininfarina
Weight - Curb Weight 2767 lbs - 1365 kg / 3009.3 lbs
Drivetrain
Engine F140 65º V12
Engine location Mid, longitudinally mounted
Displacement 5.998 liter / 366.0 cu in
Valvetrain 4 valves/cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Bosch Motronic ME7 Fuel injection
Aspiration Naturally Aspirated
Gearbox Paddle operated 6 Speed Sequential
Drive Rear wheel drive
Performance figures
Power 660 bhp / 492.4 kW @ 7800 rpm
BHP/Liter 110.0
Torque 657 Nm / 484.6 ft lbs @ 5500 rpm
Power to weight ratio 0.48 bhp/kg
Top Speed 217.5 mph / 350.0 km/h
0-60 mph Acceleration 3.60 s
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TVR Cerbera Speed12, original bodywork.
Vector W8.
Tommy Kaira ZZII with RB26DETT engine.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Red if you don't mind, or since we are dreaming one of Dick Harrels ZL-1's will do.
Robert
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Originally posted by Sandman
Cars I'd like to have (no particular order):
'96 Impala SS
'71 'Cuda
'67 Mustang
'69 Camaro SS
'66 Malibu SS
Not a bad list at all. I'd only change the 67 mustang to a '65 fastback, but the rest would be there. I'm a bit suprised you did not add the '86 Grand National. It seems to fit in with the tone of your list.
I'd gladly take a 427 SC Cobra over any of them. Hell... if you're gonna dream, you might as well dream big.
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Yeah, the Cobra is the king. I'm a 289 man though.
289 is like the 20 year old hottie. 427 is when she's 35 and has had breast implants and collagen injections.
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Classic:
(http://corvettefever.com/featuredvehicles/p36031_image_large.jpg)
Dreamin':
(http://www.bilrevyen.com/nyheter/2003/august/images/Porsche_GT2_2004_0002_M400.jpg)
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86' grand national was all smoke and mirrors, It was fast, but being from 86', It ( In my book) wouldn't be in the 60-70 class muscle car. It really didn't have the torque, I really think my GTO would go just as fast draggin a trailer w/ a boat!
74' Cutlass 442 was also a very nice car. swivel seats, nice lines.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Mini D
Not a bad list at all. I'd only change the 67 mustang to a '65 fastback, but the rest would be there. I'm a bit suprised you did not add the '86 Grand National. It seems to fit in with the tone of your list.
I'd gladly take a 427 SC Cobra over any of them. Hell... if you're gonna dream, you might as well dream big.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
70 Transam 455
:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
86' grand national was all smoke and mirrors, It was fast, but being from 86', It ( In my book) wouldn't be in the 60-70 class muscle car. It really didn't have the torque, I really think my GTO would go just as fast draggin a trailer w/ a boat NUTTZ
The GNXs were low 13 sec cars. Unless you did a lot of work on the GTO I don't think it's any faster.
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I work with a guy who owns an T type buick and I think he only upgraded the turbo.
He handed me a timeslip, 12.80
That was on street tires. He drives it everyday.
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I think the 62 split window cp is really rare and fetching great money.
NUTTZ
BTW anyone Originally posted by SLCR
Classic:
(http://corvettefever.com/featuredvehicles/p36031_image_large.jpg)
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I said it was a fast car, It does have the technilogical advantages of 1986. The 60's, and 70's have to do with shear "muscle".
It wouldn't fall into MY catagory of "muscle cars" But it may fall into yours.
I wasn't dissing it, In fact I'll post some airbrushing I did on one.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by FUNKED1
The GNXs were low 13 sec cars. Unless you did a lot of work on the GTO I don't think it's any faster.
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I thought it was a 63 split window? Damn... been out of the books for a long time.
The Grand National was pretty much the only real muscle car in the 80's. It lept right in front of that camaro vs mustang debate that was raging on. Of course, the '86 vette was no slouch either... but the Grand National still beat it.
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1963 is the year of the split window Coupe vettes and they are rare, I think like 3000 or so, maybe?
Could be 9000?
I saw one in half moon bay a few years ago getting gas. Walked over and the owner opened the hood and it was a vintage fuely with it all still there and working. He almost had to whipe a milky substance from the side of the car!:D
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Eeeeeewwwwwwww bad visual GTO!!!!!
Yep the '63 is a sweet ride...and very rare:
(http://www.artcolleys.net/corvette_split_window.jpg)
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Originally posted by Wolf14
1969 Dodge Daytona with 426
1968 Shelby GT500 with the 428 SOHC
1941 Willys coupe and truck
1940 Ford Pickup and coupe
Ford GT40
That's almost my list exactly. Just add:
66 Plymouth Sport Fury w/a 383 (my dad had one, just raw ******* horsepower)
65 Mercury Monterey Marauder w/a 390 (I had one in Seattle we christened the MPU, Mobile Party Unit)
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grand National airbrushing
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/n1.jpg)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/n2.jpg)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/n3.jpg)
NUTTZ
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Senna, I know what you posted here and now its gone. That was so sneaky!
:D
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
86' grand national was all smoke and mirrors, It was fast, but being from 86', It ( In my book) wouldn't be in the 60-70 class muscle car. It really didn't have the torque, I really think my GTO would go just as fast draggin a trailer w/ a boat!
NUTTZ
A friend had a GN, but it had some electric brake system(it was a new system at the time) and kept failing. He would pick it up from the dealership and get a 1/4 mile away and have no brakes. Fastest production car had no brakes....brilliant!!
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How about the Benchmark high performance small car of the 1980s, the Shelby GLH-S.
(http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/shelby/glhsv350.jpg)
Picture from Hotrod magazine, 1986. I still have my copy.
Basically an upgraded GLH Turbo (which was no slouch itself with 0-60 times in the low 7s). It made 175 bhp with a total weight of about 2,400 lbs. 0-60 came up in about 6 seconds flat, 1/4 mile in the mid 14s.
Straight-line power was just part of the GLH-S' charm. 69 mph in the slalom, .92g lateral acceleration around a skidpad and brakes taken from a full size sedan. Ultra-close ratio gear box and limited slip transaxle. Bilstein struts, Koni shocks and anti-roll bars so thick you'd swear they came from a truck.
(http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/shelby/86glhs.jpg)
I bought mine in new. I drove it up until 1993, I pulled it off the road and spent the next 8 months making it better. I swapped the 2.2 liter engine for a 2.5 liter motor from a low milage wrecked Dodge Spirit R/T. This engine made 224 bhp. 0-60 times fell down to the low 5 second range, markedly quicker than my current 2002 WRX. I sold it in 1997 to clear out the garage for a new project. I miss the violent dynamics of that little car. It was the ultimate sleeper, capable of beating some serious hardware. On an autocross course, it was unbeatable. Down a canyon road, only genuine "super cars" could contend with it. Even today, you would have to spend $30,000 on an Evo, just to keep up. I've driven only one car that had greater capabilities, and that was a new Caterham Super Seven (240 bhp, 1,427 lbs).
(http://www.uscaterham.com/images/gallery_photos/wp6.jpg)
The beating that Caterham would give to a 60s or 70s muscle car would be a sight too horrible to witness.
My regards,
Widewing
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Yeah, well you aint' gonna get 4 or 6 guys in there smoking dope, so the American muscle cars got it beat.
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Funny you should mention Shelby's...
(http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/shelby/83shelby.jpg)
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Originally posted by SmokinSS
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Red if you don't mind, or since we are dreaming one of Dick Harrels ZL-1's will do.
Robert
Seen the one in Louisville KY? The owner used to carry it to all the shows in the Southeast. Most optioned 69 ZL-1 in the world, was appraised at well over $500K.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
A friend had a GN, but it had some electric brake system(it was a new system at the time) and kept failing. He would pick it up from the dealership and get a 1/4 mile away and have no brakes. Fastest production car had no brakes....brilliant!!
the system was called Powermaster. It was an electric power brake system, that replaced the hydroboost (power brakes that were boosted by the power steering pump, system still used on 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks and diesels). It wasn't that you had no brakes, it was just that you had no power assist. My 84 TType has hydroboost.
The GN/TType IS a true muscle car, it DOES have a lot of torque. It was plenty quick as well.
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Originally posted by SLCR
(http://www.artcolleys.net/corvette_split_window.jpg)
That's one I left off my list. Glaring error. The 65 with the 425HP 396 was a killer, as was the 327-375HP car. The 70 LS-6 was no slouch, and was very rare.
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A stock old muscle car with the shocks, tires and speed euipment of the era will not compete with modern supercars.
widewing points this out... he fails to mention tho that modernized muscle is a whole nuther story. Most of the old muscle cars will drop a second or two from quarter mile times simply with modern tires and the removal of the antiquated smog equipment (smog pumps etc) about any big block chevy of the era picks up 60-80 HP by ditching the smog exhaust manifolds. carbs are better... intakes are better trannys are way better... brake and stuff are better. Shelby club around here races mustang shelby clones and you aint gonna touch one with a glh or whatever.
drove some lotus sevens.. they are a blast. Drove Hot Rods that would make them seem like they were going backwards. Plus... the Hot rods shifted well.
The "look stock" drags are getting into the 8's (8 second quarter mile) with all stock appearing parts including skinny tires on muscle cars.
It is childs play to make a muscle car of the day more modern so that it out handles and out brakes and out accelerates allmost anything you can buy off the showroom floor. Just takes effort and money.
even mildly modified and modernized old muscle cars are extremely capable and will be more than enough for all but the most expert drivers.
lazs
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The 69 ZL1 Camaros where copo 9560 cars like the speacail order they used for cop cars etc? the aluminum block ZL1s had only 69 made right
are the Iron block ones that went to yenko and dealers like that still called ZL1s?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Seen the one in Louisville KY? The owner used to carry it to all the shows in the Southeast. Most optioned 69 ZL-1 in the world, was appraised at well over $500K.
Hiya Virgil,
I haven't had the pleasure to drool over that one yet. One of Dick's ZL1's was at the Gathering this year in Atlanta it was sitting in GMMG's shop at the unveiling of the Dick Harrel Wide Body Camaro.
Gtora,
You sir are correct. Only 69 ZL1 Camaro's were ever built. The aluminum 427 was a option that was kept very quiet. A new Z-28 in 69 cost around $2200.00 with the ZL1 option it more than tripled the cost of the car. There was only 1 sold in my state and the location of that car is unknown.
Have a great day.
Robert
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I want the car my dad had. A 1967 Shelby Mustang GT-500.
(http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_coll_vintage/1998/6/67_shelby_mustang/images/tb_9806AUCCAA.jpg)
His was navy blue with white racing stripes.
The only thing that comes close would be a '67 GT-350 convertible:
(http://media8.motorcities.com/03FGA175916504A.jpeg)
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1967 GT-500 (Sexy *****) or a Boss from around 1970 years.
1970 Challenger R/T Hemi (The Vanishing point syndrome)
1973 Trans Am 455-SD (Last king of the road)
1996 Dodge Viper GTS (still dreaming of the test drive I did a couple of years ago, and the price tag is now very friendly).
Not adding a couple of import (need to be us to be a Muscle car).
GTORA2, no 455 in 1970 for the firebird series.
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Back in the mid 70's, there was a whole article devoted to 1/4 mile times, and stopping distances between the muscle cars in an old Hot rod mag.
The GTO was the worse! in stopping distance.
The 62 Pontiac Catalina w/ the 421 4 speed was given the honors of the fastest production car at the time.
Handling, the GTO did really poor, at the time the Leaf springs, gave a better handling over the coil springs,
Now it's been some years so I don't really know what other cars were included. And what they said stipulated a "Production Car".
NUTTZ
P.S. Laz I didn't come right out and say it, but hinted around the Ol' Muscle cars couldn't handle the newer cars of today. Even the way they were built, the GTO series used the thinest gauge metal of any production car of it's time, They tried to shave weight off wherever they could. thats why the 1/4 panels are ALWAYS rotted out. And readily available in full, half or 1/4 panel retro's. 1 small bump on I95 at 70 and I'm 2 lanes over. Grande Touring Automobile< HAH, It's a bear to drive.
Originally posted by Sixpence
A friend had a GN, but it had some electric brake system(it was a new system at the time) and kept failing. He would pick it up from the dealership and get a 1/4 mile away and have no brakes. Fastest production car had no brakes....brilliant!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
drove some lotus sevens.. they are a blast. Drove Hot Rods that would make them seem like they were going backwards. Plus... the Hot rods shifted well.
lazs
Most older Lotus Sevens are powered by 120 hp 1.6 liter Cortina motors, later ones may have the 140 hp Lotus twin cam. I've driven a new Caterham powered by a 240 hp Vauxhall, with a very slick 6 speed gearbox. A 200 hp Seven was tested and turned 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 11.94 in the quarter mile at 124 mph.
Not too shabby for a 4 cylinder "sports car" that traces its origins back to the late 1950s.
But wait, there's more. It stopped from 60 mph in 92 feet. It also generated 1.24g on a skidpad.
One of the car magazines ran a comparative race test of the "supercars" available in the US. These included a Ferrari, A new Viper, a Lotus Elise, Vette C06, Porsche GT2, a Noble and several other factory hotrods. The fastest lap times were turned by a Z-tec powered, 200 hp Caterham Super Seven. Not only was it the fastest around the race course, it was fastest by a considerable margin.
Super Sevens are nothing less than road racers with bolt on lighting and bicycle fenders. Modern Caterhams are remarkable machines. With 240 hp motivating less than 1,500 pounds, you have a power to weight ratio on par with the Ferrari Enzo. But instead of paying in excess of $700,000, you can put one in your garage for less than $40k.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
The 69 ZL1 Camaros where copo 9560 cars like the speacail order they used for cop cars etc? the aluminum block ZL1s had only 69 made right
are the Iron block ones that went to yenko and dealers like that still called ZL1s?
The codes were COPO 9560 and 9561. COPO is not the same type code as they'd use for a police car. The police use code is 9C1 in most cases, and police cars are Regular Production Options, or RPO. COPO is Central Office Production Order, and is only used to create a new limited one time only option.
The ZL-1 was an all aluminum 427 L-88. The L-88 was only a Vette engine, but could be had with the L-89 aluminum heads. The iron block cars were NOT called ZL-1, they were L-72 cars, the L-72 is the 427 425HP engine. The L-72 was available in the Camaro, the Chevelle, and the Impala.
A friend had an L-72 69 Chevelle SS that he ran in A/S, B/S, and B/SA. That car was a blast to drive. He sold the car, and he offered it to me first, at $8500 (that's a REAL 69 Chevelle SS L-72, numbers match, with spares to race three classes, and a guarantee to run on the world record anywhere it ran) but I was buying a new house. Even my wife says we should have bought the car. The house sucks, and the guy who bought the car ruined it. She loved the car, I never knew that.
When the Chevelle sold, my friend bought a 69 Camaro L-72 that still runs today in SS/EA. It is fun to drive, but I like the old Chevelle better.
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The lotus 7 I drove had a dynoed 208 HP . it ran 12.0 with the 4.11 gears. It made my Healey seem luxurious. I have driven bucket T's that weighed 1600 lbs and had 800 hp.. I have driven Healeys with 2200 lbs and 650 hp.
The lotus is a useless car... I have owned and driven a lot of fun, useless cars... in a trip across the country a Lincoln Town car would probly get there days ahead of the lotus if the lotus driver even survived. My Healey is luxurious compared to the lotus (bout the only car I can say that about) and I damn near gave up trying to drive it home from Tahoe at night... in the cold. Snow woulda put me on the side of the road.
the lotus is a fun summer car for summer evenings but more practical than a formula ford race car with stalks for light and bungee corded on licence plates.
lazs