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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on October 05, 2004, 08:15:23 PM
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Geez, can't Edwards say anything differant than Kerry? Sounds like he was reading word for word from the same notes Kerry snuck into the debate.
dago
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This is a Bush/Kerry debate by proxy.
What's with the suprise?
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Well... it's easy for Cheney to say something different. Dubya can barely talk.
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Oh man...
Cheney: We aren't bearing 90% of the casualties! TONS of Iraqis are dying!
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"Kerry has been clear and consistant from the beginning"
Nobody can actually agree with that statement can they?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
"Kerry has been clear and consistant from the beginning"
Nobody can actually agree with that statement can they?
I don't agree with the clear part. I'm down with the consistent part though.
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lol... here he goes again...
"Our Iraqi allies"...
Excuse me dude, you went to war AGAINST the Iraqis.... Now you're trying to call them allies? Oh geezee....
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Originally posted by Nash
lol... here he goes again...
"Our Iraqi allies"...
Excuse me dude, you went to war AGAINST the Iraqis.... Now you're trying to call them allies? Oh geezee....
the Iraqi people have never been the enemy.
We went to war against the Saddams regime.
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right....
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Originally posted by Nash
I don't agree with the clear part. I'm down with the consistent part though.
Oh and exactly what is it he has been consistant about?
besides being inconsistant
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Cheney is fat I hope he can get some time off to lose some ellbees
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So far, I've got Cheney ahead 5-3
Maybe 5-4 at best.
So far, Cheney looks like he should be president and W giving white house tours.
Edwards sounds like Gomer Pyle had sex with a Muppet.
He's not convincing so far.
Good Haliburton spiel, though.
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OUCH!
Point Cheney. No show Edwards.
6-4
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Much closer debate - that's fer sure.....
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Smack Down !lol
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
So far, Cheney looks like he should be president and W giving white house tours.
LOL, that just smacks the nail right on the head.
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Edwards geting owned.
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and whining
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Edwards geting owned.
Not owned, but he's trailing by a thin margin.
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d'oh.... THE soundbite of the debate....
"I don't think Americans can take 4 more years of this administration."
I'll be suprised if it aint.
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Did he refer to "morals ? a Lawyer ?
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I'm not voting for Bush, but Cheney is definately whupping butt.
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Oh and exactly what is it he has been consistant about?
Dred, I've asked questions like this of Nash repeatedly. He simply cannot answer them so he ignores them.
The people who support Kerry simply don't have any logical reason to support him. They cannot supply one reason to support Kerry.
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Leadership abilities.
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OH man they are really laying the Smack down on each other tonight, Fugg the presidential debates lets just have more of these guys going at it. I honestly think they are more entertaining or at least they seem more like an actuall debate. I gotta be honest though, this election scares me, both parties are being held aloft by big business of some sort, Kerry does have issues but so far all I can hear is what bush has done wrong and not what Kerry can do right. As for the current president, Im a republican and I do like alot of what Bush has done but sometimes I wonder where he will take us in the future and as for Cheney, jesus this guy has gotta be getting more head from big corporations that would make clinton look like a choir boy. When are we going to get a real leader again, Clinton was a real leader, he got **** done and no one complained, or how bout someone like Roosevelt, I want to see a president like Lincoln I mean that guy led us through a friggin Civil War. I just wish we could finally get someone in office who I knew wasnt corrupt and giving into what ever the guys with money tell him too.
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Kerry and Edwards weren't even there to vote....
niiiice
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Gay Marriage Land Mine...
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What is with these extra turns Edwards keeps taking on previous questions?
Cheney has taken a couple also but Edwards seems to be doing it alot more
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O my gosh, Edwards and Kerry dont care about wealth ROFL
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cheney missed great opport. to mention that Kerry, one of those "rich" guys that are paying less taxes than our troops on the ground, only paid 17% in taxes last year. Can you say double talk?
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Originally posted by Nash
Leadership abilities.
Odd I've yet to see any that would cause me to want to follow him
Actually I havent seen any leadership abilities at all
Other then perhaps sentry duty. marching back and forth
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Gawd damn Edwards.... Get OFF teh GAY already!
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Mr. Cheney is certainly a gentleman, and I think the gay marriage question they both did well.
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I think Cheney just won the Gay Marriage debate....
WHA???!
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Originally posted by Nash
d'oh.... THE soundbite of the debate....
"I don't think Americans can take 4 more years of this administration."
I'll be suprised if it aint.
I dont know if its gonna be THE bite but yes it is a good one.
Heard that very same line predicated earlier on the news LOL
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Medical Malpractice....Look out JOHN!!!
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Edwards ought to have an interesting view on malpractice, considering his background.
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Definitely a much closer debate. I score it even so far. Each side has gotten a few good jabs in. That 50% remark about casualties is sticking in my craw tho.
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Good Malpractice response from Edwards.
I'll give him a point for outlining a plan.
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Halliburton came back to bite Cheney on the tax loophole jab. no points.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Good Malpractice response from Edwards.
I'll give him a point for outlining a plan.
I'll give him that one also.
Wonder if he would have been for it when he was still doing trials
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Back in 2000 I liked the VP debates much more than the Pres debates. I feel the same about this year's.
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Originally posted by Nash
lol... here he goes again...
"Our Iraqi allies"...
Excuse me dude, you went to war AGAINST the Iraqis.... Now you're trying to call them allies? Oh geezee....
Uh, the terrorists in Iraq are specifically targeting those Iraqis who are applying for jobs as policemen and soldiers. Those people ARE our allies. We came to set them free, and they are risking their lives to stand side by side with coalition soldiers against those who would deprive them of a free nation. If they are not our allies, then exactly what are they?
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jeez this is what happened last time....the freaking #2 guys totally outclass the #1. Can we have them switch please? like some sort of petition or something.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Good Malpractice response from Edwards.
I'll give him a point for outlining a plan.
Not sure that by creating more bureaucracy is really a good "plan". Oustide of creating more paperwork, what is good about his "plan", and how does that lower healthcare costs?
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The 1 heartbeat question...this should be good.
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Well appearently..... .... Iraq was your enemy. You know... the war and everything.
Now trying to say that the Iraqi dead should be factored into the coalition dead calculation is crazy.... Like.... nuts, man.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Not sure that by creating more bureaucracy is really a good "plan". Oustide of creating more paperwork, what is good about his "plan", and how does that lower healthcare costs?
Consequences for people who file frivolous lawsuits.
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ROFL Cheney scored there. "want me to anwser the question at hand? or what he was rambling on a bout...." hehehe
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Consequences for people who file frivolous lawsuits.
No...his 3 strikes plan, per him, just means that THAT particular lawyer can't file that type of lawsuit anymore. We have no shortage of lawyers. Doubt it would have any affect.
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Hmmm, I would have thought a better response from Cheney. point Edwards.
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ROFL Edwards can't follow the rules. HUGE insight there.
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I wonder if they are drawing pictures of boobies?
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OMG did it twice. This speaks volumes.
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I thought the question was what how you and your opponent were different?
Neither side has addressed that.
they both wander off in an entirely different direction
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I thought the question was what how you and your opponent were different?
Neither side has addressed that.
they both wander off in an entirely different direction
agreed
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Flip Flopping.
Bad territory for Kerry/Edwards.
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cut pay to get body armor maybe ?
Which would you choose ?
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(http://users.adelphia.net/~randrew/debate2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Nash
Well appearently..... .... Iraq was your enemy. You know... the war and everything.
We typically do not go to war with the countries people. its their government.
Yes we say we are at war with (insert country name here) We use it as a general discription.
But in reality we war with its government and that governments military. NOT its general population.
and when its part of that population fights and dies along side of us then yea I would consider them an ally
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Originally posted by Flit
cut pay to get body armor maybe ?
Which would you choose?
So, you think our soldiers should have to choose between their earned paychecks and equipment to do their jobs? That's funny.
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No I havent seen it more divided. But during an election year I usually dont see it less divided either
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Point Edwards on the final question. Barely.
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Kinda strange in final comments, Edwards starts by thanking Cheney for being there but he was staring at the camera when he said it. weird.
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Originally posted by SOB
So, you think our soldiers should have to choose between their earned paychecks and equipment to do their jobs? That's funny.
Nope- I'm saying that they should Not have to take a paycut and get BA
Kerry voted agianst the money needed
Of course , I guess that maybe I did'nt phrase that one quite right :D
It was a General Implication
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fear.....
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I score it a draw.
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HECK of a job on closing arguments w/cheney. Also, anybody else notice cheney brought up issue that are related to "seniors" alot? Smart.
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Originally posted by Nash
Well appearently..... .... Iraq was your enemy. You know... the war and everything.
Now trying to say that the Iraqi dead should be factored into the coalition dead calculation is crazy.... Like.... nuts, man.
Wrong again. And saying it over and over again like your beloved johns does not make it right.
The Iraqis who are dying are our allies, despite what you and your loser candidates want everyone believe.
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I wasn't keeping score... but... give this one to Cheney. He did well.
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I can't even call it.... I have no idea...
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Originally posted by Nash
fear.....
Yes, and I must say, it looks wonderful on you.
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Cheney had a flaw in his closing. Talking about smuggling in weapons while we don't inspect containers. One of Kerry's key points.
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Capt...
90% of coalition casualties are being borne by Americans.
Er wait... 50% of the people dying over there are Iraqis....
Oh - so it turns out the Iraqis are sharing a fair burden of the dying? Of the attack on themselves?
uhm.... WHAT?
That's ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Flit
Nope- I'm saying that they should Not have to take a paycut and get BA
Kerry voted agianst the money needed
Of course , I guess that maybe I did'nt phrase that one quite right :D
It was a General Implication
Hehe, cc. From the jist of it, it looked like he was against the proposed paycut as well. All in all a pretty f'ed up situation. Understandable to be against the way troops were thrown into Iraq, but pretty sad the troops should have to pay for the delays caused by questioning that decision by voting against funding.
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I give the first half to cheney with the second half being a tie
Having worked at a hospital during the entire Clinton Administration and being in a place where I knew about where alot of the money was being spent. I can honestly say through my own personal observations that while the intentions of the Dems may be good invariiably the bulk of the funds dont go to where they would do the most good
so that issue was meaningless for me
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I give Cheney a slight edge too. He handled the Gay marriage land mine with incredible grace. I was impressed. Edwards held his own, Cheney felt like the winner... but it was close.
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Well, Edwards finishes up sympathizing with those facing "an empty chair" with loved ones in Iraq while at the same time saying Kerry will put more troops in Iraq. Am I understanding him correctly? :confused:
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One moment that Cheney really just laid into Edwards was his pointing out Ewards Senate attendence records.
He said something like:
"you have missed 73 percent of intelligence meetings, you have one of the worst attandence records of anyone and have missed a lot of key votes. People in your home town newspaper refer to you as Senator gone.
I, as VP am President of the Senate. I am there almost every Tuesday when they are in session and the first time I have met you is when you walked on stage here tonight."
Good debate. Cheney won.
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Originally posted by NUKE
One moment that Cheney really just laid into Edwards was his pointing out Ewards Senate attendence records.
He said something like:
"you have missed 73 percent of intelligence meetings, you have one of the worst attandence records of anyone and have missed a lot of key votes. I, as VP am President of the Senate. I am there almost every Tuesday when they are in session and the first time I have met you is when you walked on stage here tonight."
Good debate. Cheney won.
Where I come from we call that a B**ch slap LOL
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LOL
libs calling it a draw both here and on the boob tube
LOL LOL LOL
LANDSLIDE Cheney!!!
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Originally posted by Eagler
LANDSLIDE Cheney!!!
heh, there's a certain truth in there somewhere.....
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New name for the Kerry Edwards ticket
"Flipflop & GONE"
:rofl
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CBS mini poll of 200 ppl - WOW talk about spinning
LOL LOL LOL
rather and the other old bag need to retire to an old folks home
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Draw = Edwards win, btw.... I can't figure out what just happened there, though....
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Originally posted by Nash
heh, there's a certain truth in there somewhere.....
LOL on that point we certainly agree.
Kinda makes you want bush to win,
then hope for some reason he cant finish his term so Cheney can take over
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So far, Cheney looks like he should be president and W giving white house tours.
Muckmaw
Had to post a link to this Onion article after that line :)
Fed Up Cheney Enters Presidential Race Himself (http://www.theonion.com/election2004/news_4021.php)
"Let me tell you this: It'd be a lot easier just to give a speech myself and do it right, rather than spending six hours trying to explain everything to the president—only to have him botch it anyway," Cheney said. "That 'I don't know what you're saying and I don't care' look in his eyes when I start talking policy drives me absolutely bonkers. And he wonders why the reporters are so hard on him."
..."Cheney's definitely got the chops for the job," House Speaker Dennis Hastert said. "Frankly, he's been very patient with the president. He's given him every chance to get his act together, but you can't keep your money on a losing horse."
Charon
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Edwards is going to be feeling the sting from that beat down for some time to come.
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between 04 and 08 cheney will resign and Giuliani will take his spot
this will give the reps an 08 candidate
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Originally posted by NUKE
One moment that Cheney really just laid into Edwards was his pointing out Ewards Senate attendence records.
He said something like:
"you have missed 73 percent of intelligence meetings, you have one of the worst attandence records of anyone and have missed a lot of key votes. People in your home town newspaper refer to you as Senator gone.
I, as VP am President of the Senate. I am there almost every Tuesday when they are in session and the first time I have met you is when you walked on stage here tonight."
Good debate. Cheney won.
Was he talking about Edwards or Kerry?
Just wondering.
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Originally posted by Nash
Draw = Edwards win, btw....
why?
is that liberal math?
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Originally posted by Nash
Well appearently..... .... Iraq was your enemy. You know... the war and everything.
Now trying to say that the Iraqi dead should be factored into the coalition dead calculation is crazy.... Like.... nuts, man.
Nash, I think you're being deliberately obtuse here. Trolling, are you?:rolleyes:
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I think Edwards had a period of lucidness where he actually revealed himself for the Dixiecrat he is. His little passive agressive "compliment" of Chainey for supporting his *GAY DAUGHTER* will have me voting for Bush. I will not have a snake a heartbeat from the Presidency.
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On a 10-point scale, Cheney 8, Edwards 6.
On the Blitzer interview of campaign spokespeople immediately after,
Republican 8, Democrat 3.
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Why is a draw an Edwards win?
People don't vote for VP's.
The VP debate has one single purpose.
Answering the "heatbeat away" question.
If yer drawing with the current VP - then you've answered it soundly.
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Originally posted by Nash
Why is a draw an Edwards win?
People don't vote for VP's.
The VP debate has one single purpose.
Answering the "heatbeat away" question.
If yer drawing with the current VP - then you've answered it soundly.
So, if you're losing the campaign for President, and you draw the VP debate, you win?
Maybe in Liberal Land.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I think Edwards had a period of lucidness where he actually revealed himself for the Dixiecrat he is. His little passive agressive "compliment" of Chainey for supporting his *GAY DAUGHTER* will have me voting for Bush. I will not have a snake a heartbeat from the Presidency.
Tweety, plus BOTH Edwards and Kerry don't even do their jobs as Senators. They simply do not show up for work. They cannot run on their records so they have to resort to outrageous behavior.
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Originally posted by Martlet
So, if you're losing the campaign for President, and you draw the VP debate, you win?
No. Otherwise Bush would get re-elected.
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Come on Nash, hear that tapping sound? It's not a raven, it's reality knocking, Kerry and Edwards, nevermore.
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let me get this stright, the Iraqs fighting alongside american troops are the enemy but the french are allies?
nash? nash?
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Okay Iron.... whatever you say.
John, I've exhausted the number of ways I am able to go about explaining the same thing. I'm afraid yer on yer own.
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Originally posted by Eagler
between 04 and 08 cheney will resign and Giuliani will take his spot
this will give the reps an 08 candidate
You forgot the LOLs for this post.
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Originally posted by Nash
Okay Iron.... whatever you say.
John, I've exhausted the number of ways I am able to go about explaining the same thing. I'm afraid yer on yer own.
Translated as: "I can't spin this anymore".
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Take a deep breath, Nash.
The game doesn't start for another 28 days and you're not a player, you're a spectator.
So save a little energy to cheer after it starts.
;)
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Best part about all this is that we have only to wait another month to see who is right and who is wrong.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Translated as: "I can't spin this anymore".
Actually, I think the point he was trying to make was that had we built a stronger coalition going into Iraq, U.S. casualties would have been lessened. Much the same way that U.S. casualties are lessened by training Iraqis to participate in the liberation of their own country.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Best part about all this is that we have only to wait another month to see who is right and who is wrong.
I can tell you the outcome right now. We're gonna end up with crappy leadership in the White House.
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Originally posted by SOB
Actually, I think the point he was trying to make was that had we built a stronger coalition going into Iraq, U.S. casualties would have been lessened. Much the same way that U.S. casualties are lessened by training Iraqis to participate in the liberation of their own country.
If he was, then he was further off topic than I thought.
MY point was Kerry is getting whooped in the polls.
Iron's point was how can you not count Iraqi security deaths in the total deaths fighting to win the peace?
You say he's talking about lowering casualties?
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A stronger coalition would most definitely have been better. However, the lack thereof wasn't for lack of effort on Bush's part. With the oil for food scandal now being revealed I think we're truly seeing why there was so much opposition to a concerted effort in enforcing UN resolutions. I think it's obvious there was never going to be more support than that we had.
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a larger coalition would have just given the beheading cheekboness more countries to choose from
a larger coalition would have done nothing to lower the causalities just possibly dilute them per participant only if the additional partners would have placed front line troops on the ground ... and that is debatable
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Don't sweat the small stuff. Kerry has a plan to accomodate the hundreds of thousands of French and German boys eager to bring democracy to Iraq. Apparently they're all just waiting to be asked in the right way. Best of all, they apparently want to pay for the experience too!
It's all gonna be OK. We have a plan.
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Originally posted by Martlet
You say he's talking about lowering casualties?
I'm saying I think so. Only he can confirm or deny whether I'm correct.
Now, whether or not we could have built a stronger coalition by holding off a few more months is anyone's guess.
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As far as a plan for Iraq, Cheney had another great line. He said that Kerry's plan was not a plan, it is an echo.
Meaning, Kerry basically is proposing to do exactly what Bush is already doing in Iraq.
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I personaly thought Edwards was excellant. Cheney was pretty good also. The whole issue about who would defend America better is so debatable. I personaly think the Kerry Edwards team have what it takes to defend America. Thats my opinion.
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personaly think the Kerry Edwards team have what it takes to defend America.
Neither one of these guys(Kerry/Edwards) showed up for their last jobs even 25% of the time.
Kerry voted down almost every defense spending bill for the last 20 years. Kerry voted for a 6 billion dollar reduction in intelligence spending AFTER Sept 11. Kerry voted against us coming to the aid of Kuwait when GHWB was in office. Exactly how has Kerry demonstrated to you, other than a few strong words of late, that he has what it takes to defend America?
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Originally posted by Steve
Neither one of these guys(Kerry/Edwards) showed up for their last jobs even 25% of the time.
Skip all the rest... this is the most damning argument Bush/Cheney have (and it's rock solid).
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Because hes an american. What american in times like these would not do everything in his power to try to defend america. Of course each would do so according to his own protocol but the end result should be the same so long as they use the military. You only have to watch those beheading videos to reaffirm what to do tot he terrorists in Iraq, Afganistan, or wherever.
Didnt Bush miss his intelligence meetings or something for the first eight months in office?
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this is the most damning argument Bush/Cheney have
I strongly disagree. Kerry has a very clear and consistent voting record(when he voted) that shows he is soft(actually the softest senator on record) of national defense. Both Kerry and Edwards are frighteningly soft on defense as their voting records show. It is why the refuse to run on their records.
There has never been a more liberal voting record than Kerry's. If you are a far left liberal, Kerry is your man.
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What american in times like these would not do everything in his power to try to defend america.
Keery did this by voting against funding for the war, AFTER the troops were in Iraq. Kerry would seek a "global test" before defending America. do you really want people like the French deciding if it's ok for us to act?
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Originally posted by Steve
I strongly disagree. Kerry has a very clear and consistent voting record(when he voted) that shows he is soft(actually the softest senator on record) of national defense. Both Kerry and Edwards are frighteningly soft on defense as their voting records show. It is why the refuse to run on their records.
And you would be wrong...
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=177
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=209
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=252
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=147
Check out the site... Cheney even referenced it.
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Originally posted by Steve
I strongly disagree. Kerry has a very clear and consistent voting record(when he voted) that shows he is soft(actually the softest senator on record) of national defense. Both Kerry and Edwards are frighteningly soft on defense as their voting records show. It is why the refuse to run on their records.
There has never been a more liberal voting record than Kerry's. If you are a far left liberal, Kerry is your man.
Before I take off, to answer your question Steve, yes I could vote for the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Bush/Cheney domestic and economy deal is too lacking for me.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Because hes an american. What american in times like these would not do everything in his power to try to defend america. Of course each would do so according to his own protocol but the end result should be the same so long as they use the military. You only have to watch those beheading videos to reaffirm what to do tot he terrorists in Iraq, Afganistan, or wherever.
Didnt Bush miss his intelligence meetings or something for the first eight months in office?
Kerry has NEVER shown he is strong on defense, even after 911. His record is there for all to see.....over 20 years of it. 20 years of nothing.
He has consistantly voted against funding the military and intelligence..EVEN AFTER 911.
Kerry is now "talking tough" but he is just saying what he thinks he needs to say to be elected. He can't hide his record. He cannot run on his record.
When has Kerry demonstrated leadership on any issue other than leading the charge to ALWAYS vote for tax increases?
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Originally posted by Drunky
Was he talking about Edwards or Kerry?
Just wondering.
Edwards.
But Kerry's attendance for the Senate intelligence committee isnt exactly stellar either
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Cheney was the bulldozer and Edwards was the dirt.
Waaaaaay out of his league, ol' John was. A Senior statesman vs. a used car salesman with a JD.
7-3 Cheney.
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Lol sandman, those articles show several times my point. Thanks for helping me. Lights out.
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Oh the merits of living the night shift. I'm still up at this hour, and still amazed after watching the VP Debate; I watched this one just to see if all the crazy O'club politards on each side here has any merit, one way or the other, and got to see it twice on replay.
Here's what a kinda Bush supporter got from it, although I hate Bush for letting the ATF run wild, under the guise of the Homeland Communist Act. I enjoyed the debate. Pry because it wasn't a "ME Vs. My Opponent I will try to Hate!" I didn't care much, I just watched it.
As for the issues? They were both prepared, and both hit them by design. Maybe Cheney after that long lawyer speach about gays, and he just dropped a silent bomb. Still, a tie. If you used that stick to measure a win, and posted as such, you’re an O’Club poster most all here that groups you in as a bias blowhard. LOL’s included in your post or not.
The winner? Kinda a tie on issues. They had practiced the sure stalemate weeks before. All your arguments about that are pointless I think. How they presented their arguments made a bit of a difference though. For instance;
Cheney is the meanest most poised SOB I have ever seen. He doesn't even come off as a typical politician which blew me away. More like a stubborn old smart bastard we all have had to talk to sometime in our life that would tell you what you don't want to hear, yet you know he is right, and still believe different if you disagree and think you have a better plan. And you didn't. No matter how much the truth sucks, it's the way it is without better avenues or 20/20. Sometimes it’s your Dad, sometimes just a old fart that shoots you straight watermelon you spent time with somewhere, somehow.
Anyway, if I was a trial lawyer or a terrorist, I just give up and sell Amway. Bush could just fake an assassination when he wins and I'd be happy, although GWB obviously chooses his company well, which I never knew till tonight, and Kerry can now never claim. Which leads to my next point watching this debate…
Picking your VP because he is a slick talking trial lawyer who might help you when it comes to public speaking, has lotsa hair and will influence diesel dykes and lonely housewives, may not have been so clever after all. And certainly is why I just decided I WILL Vote this year for once . That’s harsh, and will lose credibility with some here, but damn straight if it ain’t right.
Oh well, sleepless at 3:00am, (damn the night shift curse) and bored. I won't care who wins, much... But after seeing that debate, I’m sure about one thing.
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What gets me is that these are the questions, largely, that should have been part of the public debate (nonexistant) before the first units staged in Kuwait for the invasion.
Little that is being debated now is new. WMD didn't show up, but even if they had been there the basic premis of the invasion was questionable itself.
A total failure by these Democratic candidates and the Democratic party to do their jobs, along with a similar failure by the broadcast media (largely) to do their jobs. I think the President should be held accountable for the Invasion, but so should these candidates and the rest of Congress for that matter.
Charon
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kina with creamo on this one... in about every one of his points exceptr... I don't really see the diff between lawyers and terrorists..
It looked like a tie to me with a slight edge to Cheney. Cheney is a mean smart SOB.
Who really won? you can use the liberal media and this board to tell... the libs on both scored it a tie or slight win for Cheney...
That would mean, in real terms, that Cheney slaughtered edwards.
Edwards looked like an abmbulance chaser that got into politics because... well.... it was the next step but.. no need to really do any of the work eh?
lazs
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I still think the debates are like the 'talent' part of the Miss America Contest.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I still think the debates are like the 'talent' part of the Miss America Contest.
I don't even want to think about the swimsuit competition.
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"John Kerry and I have a plan to do something about it. We want to put more responsibility on the lawyers to require, before a case, malpractice, which the vice president just spoke about, have the case reviewed by independent experts to determine if the case is serious and meritorious before it can be filed; hold the lawyers responsible for that, certify that and hold the lawyer financially responsible if they don't do it; have a three-strikes-and-you're-out rule so that a lawyer who files three of these cases without meeting this requirement loses their right to file these cases."
All to be decided by whom? Anyone?
Lawyers!
BTW don't they already check with experts BEFORE they sue?
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dumbacrats at their best - hotair doublespeak
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Originally posted by Charon
What gets me is that these are the questions, largely, that should have been part of the public debate (nonexistant) before the first units staged in Kuwait for the invasion.
Little that is being debated now is new. WMD didn't show up, but even if they had been there the basic premis of the invasion was questionable itself.
A total failure by these Democratic candidates and the Democratic party to do their jobs, along with a similar failure by the broadcast media (largely) to do their jobs. I think the President should be held accountable for the Invasion, but so should these candidates and the rest of Congress for that matter.
Charon
Isn't that exactly what "Fahrenheit 911" made obvious?
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Isn't that exactly what "Fahrenheit 911" made obvious?
I never gave it much value as an infromation source and haven't seen it. Most of what I read made that apparent before the invasion kicked off, and it has been a long running source of angst for me.
Charon
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Originally posted by Creamo
Cheney is the meanest most poised SOB I have ever seen. He doesn't even come off as a typical politician which blew me away. More like a stubborn old smart bastard we all have had to talk to sometime in our life that would tell you what you don't want to hear, yet you know he is right, and still believe different if you disagree and think you have a better plan. And you didn't. No matter how much the truth sucks, it's the way it is without better avenues or 20/20. Sometimes it’s your Dad, sometimes just a old fart that shoots you straight watermelon you spent time with somewhere, somehow.
That about sums it up in total.
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sn't that exactly what "Fahrenheit 911" made obvious?
Stunned here that anyone is deluded enough to use that crap movie, full of distortion and lies as a reference in any arguement, other than one about the nonsense some try to peddal as a "documentary". Mostly fiction and nonsense.
What next? Gonna predict the future with the help of a Quiji Board?
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Stunned here that anyone is deluded enough to use that crap movie, full of distortion and lies as a reference in any arguement, other than one about the nonsense some try to peddal as a "documentary". Mostly fiction and nonsense.
What next? Gonna predict the future with the help of a Quiji Board?
dago
Speaking of which,
I heard someone mention IRL a week or so ago that there were in fact senators children in the military some of which serve/d in Iraq.
does anyone have any data on the subject that can either support or refute this claim?
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haven't you heard the latest skerry ad?
placing bush with the saudis over american families?
straight from F911 and it is an "I AM JOHN KERRY AND I ENDORSED THIS AD" not a 527