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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on October 06, 2004, 01:46:02 AM
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1: how to use a yo-yo (low).
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/170_1097045028_film87.ahf
2: how to use a reversal to frighten off a higher bogie.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/170_1097045130_film88.ahf
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any chance of turnin em into avi format shane?
My film viewer wont work :( and i know your films are very good training material!!!
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No avi program thingy... nor any skill in that sorta artsy-fartsy thingy. ;)
The 2nd film is hardly worth watching anyway. It's more a commentary on the state of the game(rs), so to speak.
Wonder why your film viewer isn't working? You're aware that the "film" button on splash screen is no longer present, right? And that you need to use ahfilm.exe found in the AH2 main folder? If you made a shortcut to the old Ah1 ahfilm.exe you need to make a new one for the AH2 one, since ah2 films aren't backwards compatible with the ah1 viewer.
If you knew this already, then no idea why your ah2 viewer is hosed. Have you searched BBS for others who may have had similar problems and found a fix?
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I didnt download the first, the second only shows the 1 reversal in the first minute. Seems more of a disguised kick at nomde than a training film ;)
I use the same tactic you do in the 2nd film, although i tend to try and get them closer and come off the top sooner, and get a snapshot on them as they are flying past rather than as they climb away.
Shane, fancy coming to the DA sometime? i would like to learn a few more tricks, i get by on what i have improvised myself and would like to expand my knowledge and learn how to teach others. My prob is that being self taught i find it hard to describe what to do, and when to do it to others - and i know you have helped a lot of people in the past.
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sure, if you see me on simply ask and we can go in the DA.
as for the second film, well :cool: it seems the simple fact the reversal was made was sufficient to more or less stop the attack dead in it's tracks. if you watch the text closely, especially at the end, your irony meter should peg out. :lol:
the first film is actually worth the download to see exactly what a low yo-yo is and how to apply it.
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Shane, if you want me to turn it into Avi I can do it for you, but up to you.
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Wow Shane, any respect for you is now gone.
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Pretty good first video shane, though I gotta say ur aiming sucked towrads the end....
Anyway a tip for those viewing the video is to set view to external fixed and turn on the trails - that will show what was going on very well.
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
Shane, if you want me to turn it into Avi I can do it for you, but up to you.
if you want to turn the first film into an avi, go ahead. hoprefully you'll be able to do it trails in the fixed view with some kind of panning and zoom out so people can get the overall idea of what a low yo-yo is and how it works.
a couple of cockpit shots with the bogey in view higher and me yo-yoing up and down in the circles would also be cool.
but you can direct and edit it however you want, hopefully in a way that shows the manuever.
thanks.
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the first film?
yo-yo is what he was doing when fleeing right?
second one is easy
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no, *i* was the one doing the yo-yo, which is basically using the vertical (up - high or down-low) in a turning situation to cut inside of a plane with a better sustained turn-rate.
a more pure representation would be found in a flat-turning situation on the deck, as the ki and i were also in form of rolling vertical scissors.
a high yo-yo would be when you're diving on an opponent and as he break turns, you go back up while also making a turn, which slows you down, allowing you to drop back in behind the bogey.
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rgr got it
hey so ive been doing yo-yo's the whole time without anyone telling me how to.
hows that for overcome and adapt:D
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:confused:
i thought you were meant to be like 'really watermelon hot' shane?
those videos sucked. especially the second one.
your reversal was sloppy and late, and the fight with the ki was not a tough one to do. so THATS what a yoyo is?? well, i been doing em in my sleep for an age.
better to fly the move than know the terms i say.
other than that, keep cool man!
batfink
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i agree the 2nd one sucked. :D
as for the first, the ki had a nice alt advantage and tried to hold me in a spiral. the point of the second film was basically to show what a (low) yo-yo is. many people do moves, never realizing what they're called. so include youself as one who has just been ejumakated.
it makes actual training and explaining a lot easier if people are familiar with the terminology. surprisingly, a lot of people are afraid to ask for edification and/or too lazy to do some basic research.
and....
i never claim how great i am, i merely point how sucky most of you are. ;)
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lol, too true about people not asking
personaly i ask all the time, but rarely remember
and for the record, my reversals are, 90% of the time, worse than your sloppy one :)
but thanks for lesson, i now know one of the tactics i use, on a more personal basis.
would like to duel ya at some point so you can find out how sucky i am ;)
batfink
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If your Film Viewer gives error when trying to start film, make sure you have same terrain in your computer what is used in that film.
I had problems earlier, but then foundd out that this was that case.
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So in film 1 when you 1st get pings on the Ki.. What should he do at that moment? Scissor you and hope for the best? Obviously running from a LA7 isn't the answer?
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well, throughout the entire fight, up until the first pings i get the impression he was mis-managing his throttle (or pulling too many g's). he never really obtained the speed he needed to go back up into the vertical, which is what he should have done, allowing him to maintain a more controllable advantage. the fight stayed around 10k for quite a while, not an alt that is "best" for an la7.
rolling down and out is one of the worst mistakes you can make against an la7. it's what I hope to see (no matter what I'm in or up against), but with an la7 you can run them down a bit easier when they hit the deck.
simply put he mismanaged his alt advantage, squandering his e without a proportionate trade off in being more aggressive for the kill.
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bat-fink-you-stink!
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Originally posted by Furball
bat-fink-you-stink!
im not feeling flirty today mate, find another guy to hit on :p