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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gixer on October 06, 2004, 07:00:25 PM
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Nice on Cheney :aok
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Vice President Dick Cheney told viewers Tuesday night they could verify his claims from the vice-presidential debate at an independent Web site -- http://www.factcheck.com -- but visitors to the site found a searing anti-Bush message.
Cheney accidentally said ".com" instead of ".org" during the televised debate. Internet surfers who visited factcheck.com were redirected to the home page of billionaire anti-Bush activist George Soros, with the statement "Why we must not re-elect President Bush" at the top of the screen.
The Soros site also claims "President Bush is endangering our safety, hurting our vital interests, and undermining American values."
The Web site Cheney had apparently meant to shuttle viewers to is: http://www.factcheck.org, run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The site http://www.factcheck.com has no connection to Soros; it was simply redirecting traffic to his site.
Factcheck.com is owned by Name Administration Inc., a Cayman Islands company that acquires Web domain names and makes money off the traffic by redirecting surfers to text ads, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.
A spokesman for Soros told the newspaper that he "was as surprised by it as everyone else," adding that George Soros does not own the domain name factcheck.com and doesn't know why traffic to that site is being redirected to his home page.
When Cheney mentioned the wrong site during the debate, Name Administration officials saw nearly 50,000 visitors click on the site in the first hour, up from 200 visits a day, said the report.
Employees sent traffic to the Soros site based on their own political views, not because of any intervention from Soros, the newspaper report said.
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pwn3d
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You know a party is in real trouble when they get excited about a 63 year old man slipping and saying .com instead of .org or when he forgets an unmemorable meeting.
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"whitehouse dot something or other" and whitehouse.gov are two totally different webpages as well with equally different messages.
It's an easy mistake to make. (It also is easy to cover up as a "mistake".) ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
You know a party is in real trouble when they get excited about a 63 year old man slipping and saying .com instead of .org or when he forgets an unmemorable meeting.
Or when they start finding empty trailers in the Iraqi desert and claim they are WMD mobile labs..
Or how about those aluminum tubes?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Or when they start finding empty trailers in the Iraqi desert and claim they are WMD mobile labs..
Or how about those aluminum tubes?
...-Gixer
It would seem that you are suggesting Bush proclaimed the WMDs found with these instances? Maybe you just mean Republicans in general.
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drowning liberals clutching at straws....glub glub glub
BTW the senate voted today to increase intelligence funding, 96 for, 2 aginst and 2 senators absent.........guess who was not there to vote?
john heinz-kerry and john edward....AWOL, the men who want to lead this country.
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They also voted down the democratic sponsored bill to reinstitute the draft. Amazingly, the sponsor of the bill voted against it!
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Originally posted by AKIron
It would seem that you are suggesting Bush proclaimed the WMDs found with these instances? Maybe you just mean Republicans in general.
Condoleeza Rice is considered to be in the administration and a White House spokesperson, right?
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Originally posted by AKIron
It would seem that you are suggesting Bush proclaimed the WMDs found with these instances? Maybe you just mean Republicans in general.
No I mean Bush and his Administration, just like he claimed with Niger and Uranium.
Funniest thing is how all the arguments and evidence for war have slowly unraveled as being false yet some of you are still trying to push the same old arguments.
US went to war in Iraq because they had WMD and with Sadam were a immediate threat to the world. Not because Iraq might have future plans to build WMD"s. It's ridiculous statement to come out with.
Seems that some of you are so in favour of Bush that you just repeat the same lines as Bush himself and don't seem to stop and think for yourself and actually look at what's happening.
...-Gixer
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with Sadam were a immediate threat to the world.
John Edwards said Iraq was an imminent threat, not Bush.
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Originally posted by Steve
John Edwards said Iraq was an imminent threat, not Bush.
;)
Steve, you have a strange recollection of who said what about Iraq. This is just a small sample of the build up of lies by Bush and his administration to try and justify an unjust war.
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
- Dick Cheney, speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002
No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
- Donald Rumsfeld, testimony to Congress, Sept. 19, 2002
The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq.
- George W. Bush, Nov. 23, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Dec. 2, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003
What we know from UN inspectors over the course of the last decade is that Saddam Hussein possesses thousands of chemical warheads, that he possesses hundreds of liters of very dangerous toxins that can kill millions of people.
- White House spokesman Dan Bartlett, CNN interview, Jan. 26, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agent
. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
- George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
- Colin Powell, remarks to UN Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons - the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
- George W. Bush, radio address, Feb. 8, 2003
If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since [UN Resolution] 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us.
- Colin Powell, interview with Radio France International, Feb. 28, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad?
.I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
- Colin Powell, remarks to UN Security Council, March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
- George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003
The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.
- George W. Bush, address to U.S., March 19, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly
..All this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleisher, press briefing, March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And
.as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
- Gen. Tommy Franks, press conference, March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
- Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman, The Washington Post, March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
- Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clark, press briefing, March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.
- Donald Rumsfeld, ABC interview, March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find - and there will be plenty.
- Robert Kagan, The Washington Post, April 9, 2003
But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
- George W. Bush, NBC interview, April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need
.so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
- Donald Rumsfeld, press briefing, April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
- Colin Powell, remarks to reporters, May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein because he had a weapons program.
- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 6, 2003
We said what we said because we meant it
..We continue to have confidence that WMD will be found.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
- Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps, interview with reporters, May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
- Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, NBC Today Show interview, May 26, 2003
Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."
- Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency, press conference, May 30, 2003
You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two [the labs were later judged to not contain any such weapons, that they most likely were used for weather balloons]. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.
- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003
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We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat.
LMAO omg!! Anyone could find them with these directions!!
!amazed
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oddly... the anti Bush site and pro kerrie site is sponsored by a billionaire foregner who's main goal is gun control and socialism for America.
Does kerrie support george sorros gixer?
lazs
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Originally posted by AKIron
You know a party is in real trouble when they get excited about a 63 year old man slipping and saying .com instead of .org or when he forgets an unmemorable meeting.
I think vice presidents should have correct facts and quotes before opening their mouths to the American public. We should expect nothing less than perfection from the most powerful men on the planet.
How many excuses do you "enlightened folk" need to make for these men?
As many as it takes, I guess :)
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I think he got all the important "facts" right, unlike his opponents.
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Important facts?? Like the fact Cheeny spilled about never meeting Edwards??
Cheeny is a liar...
Tweety, what say you now about snakes in the grass??
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(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/oct04/laura2100504.jpg)
the left
LOL LOL LOL
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The man voted against meals on wheels, for Christs sakes!:lol
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
The man voted against meals on wheels, for Christs sakes!:lol
lets keep the record stright, he voted for meals on wheels before he voted against it, he only voted against it because Heinz had a no-bid contract to supply meals on wheels with over priced ketchup.
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Foriegn wannabe Liberals are even more annoying than American Liberals.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Foriegn wannabe Liberals are even more annoying than American Liberals.
I'd like to know how being against Bush automatically places you as being a Liberal. Pretty simplistic outlook if you ask me.
...-Gixer
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Saurdaukar would like everyone to fit into his cosy pigeonholes. It's like a minor, but disturbing fetish with him.
He doesn't even have that many pigeonholes.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Pretty simplistic outlook if you ask me.
...-Gixer
I might have seen that written bout him a few times.. hehe
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Steve, you have a strange recollection of who said what about Iraq.
Gixer, nowhere in all those quotes does Bush say Iraq is an imminent threat. You are wasting my time.
Edwards however said this on February 24, 2002 on CNN: "I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
Got it?
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Edwards also said this:
"Almost no one disagrees with these basic facts: that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a menace; that he has weapons of mass destruction and that he is doing everything in his power to get nuclear weapons; that he has supported terrorists; that he is a grave threat to the region, to vital allies like Israel, and to the United States; and that he is thwarting the will of the international community and undermining the United Nations' credibility." The war, he said, would not undermine U.S. efforts to get Osama bin Laden. "I believe this is not an either-or choice. Our national security requires us to do both, and we can."
What was that about strange recollection?
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Originally posted by Steve
Gixer, nowhere in all those quotes does Bush say Iraq is an imminent threat. You are wasting my time.
Edwards however said this on February 24, 2002 on CNN: "I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
Got it?
You don't believe all that time during the build up for war in Iraq that Bush didn't present the case that Iraq had WMD"s and was willing to use them? Please wake up.
Seems now Republicans are trying more lies to cover their previous ones.
...-Gixer
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Steve,
You seem to be trying to ignore what's on record from the past about Iraq and what Bush and his admin wanted you to believe and now they are trying to play that down and have you believe in some other new lies.
"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03
"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
President Bush, 7/17/03
Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
President Bush, 7/2/03
"Absolutely."
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
President Bush 4/24/03
"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
President Bush, 3/19/03
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
President Bush, 3/16/03
"This is about imminent threat."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/31/03
Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03
"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
"Well, of course he is.
White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?, 1/26/03
"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. ... Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
President Bush, 1/3/03
"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
President Bush, 11/23/02
"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
President Bush, 11/3/02
"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
President Bush, 11/1/02
"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
President Bush, 10/28/02
"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
President Bush, 10/16/02
"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
President Bush, 10/7/02
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
President Bush, 10/2/02
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
President Bush, 10/2/02
"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
President Bush, 9/26/02
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02
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Those quotes makes Iraq sound ten times worse than having N.Korea next to california.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Those quotes makes Iraq sound ten times worse than having N.Korea next to california.
So what should we do with North Korea?
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Gixer, you know that Kerry said much the same right? The Russians gave us info that Iraq was planning attacks against the US. The UN condemned Iraq and most of the world believed Iraq had WMD.
Bush did the right thing in Iraq and I'm glad he took action rather than "trust" things would have been okay.
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How do you make those dots in a post?
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paste maybe?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Gixer, you know that Kerry said much the same right? The Russians gave us info that Iraq was planning attacks against the US. The UN condemned Iraq and most of the world believed Iraq had WMD.
Bush did the right thing in Iraq and I'm glad he took action rather than "trust" things would have been okay.
I don't really care for Kerry, and I care less that he wasn't president at the time and the one who made such a bad decission as Iraq.
Plus please don't try and blame the Russians that went out fashion 15 years ago.
...-Gixer
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Gixer, I said Bush didn't say Iraq was an imminent threat. You said my recollection was wrong. I proved Edwards said it, as I said. You listed 20 some odd quotes from assorted people, Bush included, and nowhere does Bush say Iraq was an imminent threat.
What the heck do any of those other quotes have to do with my point?
My point was, again: Bush did not say Iraq was an imminent threat, Edwards did.
You disputed it, you were wrong. Can we move on now?
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Originally posted by Gixer
I don't really care for Kerry, and I care less that he wasn't president at the time and the one who made such a bad decission as Iraq.
Plus please don't try and blame the Russians that went out fashion 15 years ago.
...-Gixer
Great decision in Iraq. I never "blamed" Russia.
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Originally posted by Steve
Gixer, I said Bush didn't say Iraq was an imminent threat. You said my recollection was wrong. I proved Edwards said it, as I said. You listed 20 some odd quotes from assorted people, Bush included, and nowhere does Bush say Iraq was an imminent threat.
What the heck do any of those other quotes have to do with my point?
My point was, again: Bush did not say Iraq was an imminent threat, Edwards did.
You disputed it, you were wrong. Can we move on now?
Bush and his administration portrayed Iraq as an "Imminent Threat" with WMD's as much as you'd like you can't deny that.
So in your opinion what was the reason for the invasion of Iraq and the reason sold to the world?
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
Great decision in Iraq. I never "blamed" Russia.
"The Russians gave us info that Iraq was planning attacks against the US"
Your blaming them for bad intelligence?
...-Gixer
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Geezus squealing Christ, Gixer. I'm not saying anything other than what I specifically wrote.
Even you can't be that dense.
Bush didn't say Iraq was an imminent threat, Edwards did.
What exactly about the above statement do you not understand?
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Originally posted by Steve
Geezus squealing Christ, Gixer. I'm not saying anything other than what I specifically wrote.
Even you can't be that dense.
Bush didn't say Iraq was an imminent threat, Edwards did.
What exactly about the above statement do you not understand?
The fact that your trying to deny that Bush ever said Iraq was a threat. Imminent or otherwise.
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There is no fact you dolt.
I'm not saying Bush didn't say Iraq was a threat... where in God's name did I say that?
I said Bush didn't say Iraq was an "imminent threat", Edwards did.
That's all I'm saying.. quit trying to read ANYTHING else into it in order to make an argument
Are you so childish that you cannot admit you are wrong?
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Originally posted by Steve
There is no fact you dolt.
I'm not saying Bush didn't say Iraq was a threat... where in God's name did I say that?
I said Bush didn't say Iraq was an "imminent threat", Edwards did.
That's all I'm saying.. quit trying to read ANYTHING else into it in order to make an argument
Are you so childish that you cannot admit you are wrong?
Only thing childish is the way you seem to lose your patience over a message board and resort to personal slinging..
Anyway,
Bush and his administration clearly told the world that Saddam was an imminent threat, and the insistence that they never used that exact phrase is irrelevant. They never felt it necessary to correct the people who interpreted "grave and gathering danger" as "imminent threat" last year.
...-Gixer
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by lazs2
oddly... the anti Bush site and pro kerrie site is sponsored by a billionaire foregner who's main goal is gun control and socialism for America.
Does kerrie support george sorros gixer?
lazs
I don't think you can pin Soros as a socialist... he IS capitalism personified.
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is the way you seem to lose your patience
Sorry, dealing w/ incurably stupid people does that to me.
Bush never used the words "Imminent threat", Edwards did.
You don't like it because it makes you wrong but it's too derned bad, fact is fact.
and the insistence that they never used that exact phrase is irrelevant.
You just don't get it. I'm not discussing Iraq, whether Bush and his administration said Iraq was the most immediate threat ever to face the Earth. That's not my point. You seem to think I'm in some way trying to downplay the message Bush was sending. This may be the 4th or 5th time I have tried to explain it and it's the last. I'm talking strictly about the literal words here, not the message, not what Bush did or didn't do. I'm not disputing any of that, can you understand that?
All I'm talking about is the words here. Edwards said them, Bush didn't.
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Originally posted by Steve
Sorry, dealing w/ incurably stupid people does that to me.
Bush never used the words "Imminent threat", Edwards did.
You don't like it because it makes you wrong but it's too derned bad, fact is fact.
Stupid? See what I mean, you can't help yourself. If your losing your temper over something as petty as this maybe you need to take a holiday? Oh sorry, vacation.
And as for being wrong and ignoring the facts. I'll admit I'm wrong when Bush does. As Bush seems better then anyone at ignoring the facts and unable to admit when he's wrong.
...-Gixer
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Gix, what does Bush having erred, in your opinion have to do w/ our conversation? I'm not leading you anywhere with this debate. In other words, there is no: "ah ha! See I'm right, therefore" coming from me. I'm not trying to change your views, impose an opinion of any kind on you.. you are reading far more into this than what's going on. There's nothing beneath the surface.
My point, and only point is that Bush didn't say "imminent threat", Edwards did.
I'm sorry for the insults, you didn't deserve them..... frustrated that you are guessing I'm setting you up for another point when I'm not.
Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
My point, and only point is that Bush didn't say "imminent threat", Edwards did.
Steve
Fair enough, sorry for any misunderstanding on my part. But the point that I was trying to make is that if Bush didn't say those exact words he and his administration certinly portrayed that image to the world before the war.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I might have seen that written bout him a few times.. hehe
Psht, you three are just pissy because someone as simplistic as me can accurately label you for exactly what you are.
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Gix, I agree w/ you. There was a big to-do here in the States about exactly who used those exact words "Imminent threat".
Certainly the administration stated their case that Saddam was dangerous, then and not just in the future.
The WMD flap aside(as it turns out, terrible intel from several sources, including our own) I think Saddam was indeed a danger to world safety for his involvement and potential involvement w/ terrorists, to his neighboring countries, and to his own poeple. . Not trying to pick a fight here if you disagree.
I wonder the following: Much of our intel came from Russia. Now the Russians are pretty clever... did they get bad intel? deliberately give us bad intel to induce us to oust Saddam? deliberately give us bad intel so we would look foolish on a world scale?
No, I'm not blaming Russia for our definitive statements that WMD were present. We said it, we took action based largely on it, ergo it is our fault.
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Actually I've always thought that blaming the intelligence is just an excuse. No WMD's were found so lets blame the intel. Seemed long ago that Bush wanted to pick a fight with Iraq and after 9/11 with WMD's he go it.
One wonders whether Bush and his administration actually looked at the intel with an open mind as to whether Sadam might have WMD"s or not. Or whether they just looked at the Intel to back up what they wanted.
Plus some of the intel that they used, like the Niger Uranium was so obviously fake one wonders how on earth it ever managed to make it to those that decide on these things in the first place.
I understand the points your making, just think there is alot more to it then the basic stories told to the press.
...-Gixer
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Oh and as for Sadam being a regional threat, let alone a global threat. Sorry I strongly don't agree. :)
But that's a whole other thread and my girlfriend is getting crappy at me for replying as much as I do on here as it is. Though I guess that's why she's gone to her girlfriends for the weekend. :D
...-Gixer
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hey.. she made you see the moore movie and a nicolas cage movie... you should dump her anyway.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
hey.. she made you see the moore movie and a nicolas cage movie... you should dump her anyway.
lazs
Yeah but she's 23 likes bikes,flying and other unmentionables so it's a tough choice to make. :D
...-Gixer