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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TheDudeDVant on October 07, 2004, 08:22:40 AM
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Anyone see it? Did anyone get to see the Daily Show catch Cheeny in another LIE?? When Cheeny said he had never meet Edwards before, it was a lie. They had meet before.
Also Cheeny told a round about lie about Edwards attendance rate. Cheeny himself had only been there 2x in 4 years..
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So passing someone in a hallway is now "meeting them"?
Huh...
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They meet at a fund raising dinner.. Sat side by side.. 2001 I think it was.. or maybe it was a banquet of some sort.. anyhow pictures of them looking at each other sitting side by side.. amazing..
What was cheeny's words? First time he'd met him or first time he'd layed eyes on him??
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Anyone see it? Did anyone get to see the Daily Show catch Cheeny in another LIE?? When Cheeny said he had never meet Edwards before, it was a lie. They had meet before.
Also Cheeny told a round about lie about Edwards attendance rate. Cheeny himself had only been there 2x in 4 years..
I certainly hope you dont base all your arguements on what you heard on "The Daily show"
I will conceed the fact that Cheney lied about meeting Edwards.
That still doesnt change the fact that Edards attendance record is the third worst in the senate the other two being Kennedy (by 1 day) and a 99 year old man in ill health.
In the matter of the attendence record of Cheney. I havent seen any hard data on that to prove it and "the Daily Show" is a comedy show and as such has no requirements or obligation to have or even try to maintain any sort of credability. It sole job is to be funny. Not factual
Add that to the fact that while I agree it is a funny show, it leans so far to the left it should be renamed "righty"
Dont beleive me? Next time you watch, try keeping score.
Count the slams on the Dems as opposed to rebublican slams and you will they they arent exactly equal opportunity offenders
Assuming you may be right on Cheney's attendance.
One has to keep in mind he does already have another job, as vise president which one would think that he just might have more pressing matters to attrend to.
Particularly since his only real job in the senate is to be that of a tiebreaker in the event a vote comes to a tie.
Other then in the event of a tie which doesnt happen very often. he doesnt even get to vote.
Edwards on the other hand gets to vote on everything.
Therefore your's and "the Daily show" arguement on the attendence of Cheney is pretty much moot
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lmao guy... !amazed
the daily show is actually extremely factual and has never had it's credibility questioned..
But no worries, when in doubt discredit the speaker..
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what factual credibility would a comedy television show be expected to have?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lmao guy... !amazed
the daily show is actually extremely factual and has never had it's credibility questioned..
But no worries, when in doubt discredit the speaker..
Probably becaus its a comedy show.
Meaning it doesnt have to be credible. Just funny.
Im not even questioning the credibility of the subject at hand.
but the fact still remains on everything I said reguarding the two.
Edwards gets to vote on EVERYTHING
Cheney gets to vote ONLY in the event of a tie
Now in light of that, which of the two do you think it would be more important that they attend?
Like I said. Your argument is moot
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Probably becaus its a comedy show.
Meaning it doesnt have to be credible. Just funny.
Im not even questioning the credibility of the subject at hand.
but the fact still remains on everything I said reguarding the two.
Edwards gets to vote on EVERYTHING
Cheney gets to vote ONLY in the event of a tie
Now in light of that, which of the two do you think it would be more important that they attend?
Like I said. Your argument is moot
humm.. dunno bout moot.. but if it makes you feel better, doesnt bother me..
Fact is though i was not arguing Edwards attendence. Could not care less..Guess your own tangent fooled you into thinking I was concerned about it? I am talking about Cheeny here and his lies...
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Originally posted by JimBear
what factual credibility would a comedy television show be expected to have?
how many times have you seen the show??
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OK,
Everyone who bagged on Rather for saying.. "Sure the info is bad, but the story about Bush's ANG service is good" and then said "sure Cheney lied, but Edward's attendance is bad" please report to the Hypocrite wing of the mental hospital... your room is waiting.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Anyone see it? Did anyone get to see the Daily Show catch KERRY in another LIE?? When KERRY he never used the word "LIE"
I bet you didn't why would a "news" program talk about that.
KERRY CLAIMS HE'S "NEVER, EVER" USED WORD "LYING" IN REFERENCE TO PRESIDENT BUSH ON IRAQ. JIM LEHRER: "New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You've repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth." SEN. KERRY: "Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word as you just did."
(Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
BUT IN DECEMBER 2003, KERRY TOLD NEW HAMPSHIRE EDITORIAL BOARD BUSH "LIED" ABOUT REASON FOR GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ.
"Kerry also told a New Hampshire newspaper editorial board Friday that Bush had 'lied' about his reasons for going to war in Iraq, a word Kerry has been reluctant to use publicly for months. Yesterday he said he did not plan to use the word again." (Patrick Healy, "Kerry Camp Lowers N.H. Expectations Behind In Polls, Senator Now Seeks Spot In 'Top Two,'" The Boston Globe, 12/8/03)
AND IN SEPTEMBER 2003, KERRY SAID BUSH ADMINISTRATION "LIED" AND "MISLED."
"This administration has lied to us. They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations' process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, 'I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,' and I know this president fails that test in Iraq." (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Anyone see it? Did anyone get to see the Daily Show catch Cheeny in another LIE?? When Cheeny said he had never meet Edwards before, it was a lie. They had meet before.
Also Cheeny told a round about lie about Edwards attendance rate. Cheeny himself had only been there 2x in 4 years..
Youre an idiot.
That is all.
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It's a comedy news show. C - O - M - E - D - Y. Put your helmet back on, Dude, you're gonna hurt yourself.
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Kappa why have you given up trying to convince us that the 911 attacks were staged with buildings rigged to blow beforehand?
Why oh why Kappa? Why give up? There are still millions who blindly think it was just the planes, fire and gravity...
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Youre an idiot.
That is all.
wow !amazed
how witty of you..
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God I can't believe how you guys get so wrapped up in semantics and lose sight of the big picture. LOL
They are potato peeling politicians, they are expected to lie. :rolleyes: Being a politician has not been a noble career for a very long time. If you are making your decision on weather or not to vote for Bush because Cheny lied about meeting Edwards we are in trouble. lolh.
It's the big issues that make the difference and not these stupid little issues used to cloud the major ones.
I did love how John Stewart busted Edwards for the whole Gay daughter thing. Over and Over That was funny.
Daily show is great! No doubt about it they are against Bush, but they have guys like McCain on et-al, so he is kinda fair lol.
Tonight is Bill O'Rielly, I can 't wait to see how Stewart handles him after O'Rielly said his demo is pot smoking slackers lolh. How many Emmys does O'Rielly have lolh.
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Dude, you don't understand. They don't like what you are saying. Let the dogpile resume.
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Originally posted by SOB
It's a comedy news show. C - O - M - E - D - Y. Put your helmet back on, Dude, you're gonna hurt yourself.
Is that how you attempt to explain away his lie? He lied plain and simple in his attempt to one up Edwards during a debate before the American people..
Just because Jon Stewart has the ability to play humor on some of the world's most troubling situations, does not make it any less fact..
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Originally posted by rpm
Dude, you don't understand. They don't like what you are saying. Let the dogpile resume.
Dude doesn't understand often.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
how many times have you seen the show??
The question should be have YOU seen the show.
Jon Stewart does not even TRY to hide the fact he hates Bush nor does he represent the facts in whole or in the right context.
He is a Michael Moore who knows when to stop.
I enjoy watching his shows but I would never ever believe the FACTS he shows.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
The question should be have YOU seen the show.
Jon Stewart does not even TRY to hide the fact he hates Bush nor does he represent the facts in whole or in the right context.
He is a Michael Moore who knows when to stop.
I enjoy watching his shows but I would never ever believe the FACTS he shows.
Comedy
Central
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Originally posted by rpm
Dude, you don't understand. They don't like what you are saying. Let the dogpile resume.
I think they are funny. The hypocrasy is dripping from most of the dogpilers here. Only one poster has attempted to talk rationally about it. All others dont wanna, they'd rather start slinging insults and poke jabs.. Too funny actually.. 8)
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Originally posted by mars01
God I can't believe how you guys get so wrapped up in semantics and lose sight of the big picture. LOL
They are potato peeling politicians, they are expected to lie. :rolleyes: Being a politician has not been a noble career for a very long time.
I did love how John Stewart busted Edwards for the whole Gay daughter thing. Over and Over That was funny.
Daily show is great! No doubt about it they are against Bush, but they have guys like McCain on et-al, so he is kinda fair lol.
Tonight is Bill O'Rielly, I can 't wait to see how Stewart handles him after O'Rielly said his demo is pot smoking slackers lolh. How many Emmys does O'Rielly have lolh.
Having McCain on does not mean he is being fair. McCain leans to the left way to much to be a Republican IMHO.
Having O'Reilly on will be fun to watch but Jon knew Bill's comment was a joke and even said so but I'm sure he will have fun with it anyway.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
The question should be have YOU seen the show.
Jon Stewart does not even TRY to hide the fact he hates Bush nor does he represent the facts in whole or in the right context.
He is a Michael Moore who knows when to stop.
I enjoy watching his shows but I would never ever believe the FACTS he shows.
Really? what has he EVER shown in a true context that you can discredit? Name one thing! Just one!
The Daily show does not ever blur the line between comedy and factual news. I challange anyone to show me where Jon Stewart has reported something not factual or incorrectly..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Is that how you attempt to explain away his lie? He lied plain and simple in his attempt to one up Edwards during a debate before the American people..
Just because Jon Stewart has the ability to play humor on some of the world's most troubling situations, does not make it any less fact..
In what part of my post did I address Cheney. First, the Cheney comment about not meeting Edwards has been posted about before. Second, using a comedy news show as your source of facts is, very simply, foolish.
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(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/oct04/laura2100504.jpg)
LOL LOL LOL
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Whats next Kappa, you gonna cite Farenheit 911 or Bowling for Columbine as sources...
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SOB
In what part of my post did I address Cheney. First, the Cheney comment about not meeting Edwards has been posted about before. Second, using a comedy news show as your source of facts is, very simply, foolish.
LoL really? simply foolish?
So, are you saying the fact the daily show reported about Cheeny previously meeting Edwards is not true?
How could it be foolish if the fact is correct? You must be saying Cheeny did not lie?? Otherwise, you statement is very foolish..
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You know, you guys claiming that getting your news from the Daily show is abusured, is equally absured.
The daily show puts a comedic spin on the news. Intelligent people already know the spin all the other suppossedy credible news services have already put on it.
Just because they are a commedy centric news show does not mean that they do not do anything that is credible.
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Comedy
Central
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Really? what has he EVER shown in a true context that you can discredit? Name one thing! Just one!
The Daily show does not ever blur the line between comedy and factual news. I challange anyone to show me where Jon Stewart has reported something not factual or incorrectly..
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
OMG you really do believe that don't you?
I bet you also thought F/911 was a documentary!
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LOL Eagler! Are those the Buchanan voters from 2000?
Here are some Kerry voters:
(http://protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/them/images/00001.jpg)
(http://protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/them/images/0003.jpg)
(http://protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/them/images/0038.jpg)
And of course Kappa's protest sign:
(http://protestwarrior.com/images/protest_gallery/them/images/0042.jpg)
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Thanks for the reply Mighty1,
but I put this in my post for a reason: Daily show is great! No doubt about it they are against Bush, but they have guys like McCain on et-al, so he is kinda fair lol.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
OMG you really do believe that don't you?
I bet you also thought F/911 was a documentary!
Never seen F911...
Be strong now Mighty1.. Show me one instance when Jon Stewart has been discredited.
Show me one instance, just one now, where Jon Stewart has reported some non-factual news or reported something incorrectly.. Be strong!
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I guess I can agree he is "Kinda" fair. He does on occasion slam Demos.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
LoL really? simply foolish?
So, are you saying the fact the daily show reported about Cheeny previously meeting Edwards is not true?
How could it be foolish if the fact is correct? You must be saying Cheeny did not lie?? Otherwise, you statement is very foolish..
Yes, foolish. Quotes from The Daily Show's web page:
"The One News Organization With No Credibility To Lose"
"What's the difference between us and other news shows? Our news is supposed to be fake."
http://www.thedailyshow.com
Whether or not this particular story is true, The Daily Show is not a good source of accurate reporting.
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Dude you've shown me with that "The Daily Show only tells the truth" line that you are NOT playing with a full deck and that it is pointless to try and argue with you.
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Originally posted by SOB
Yes, foolish. Quotes from The Daily Show's web page:
"The One News Organization With No Credibility To Lose"
"What's the difference between us and other news shows? Our news is supposed to be fake."
http://www.thedailyshow.com
Whether or not this particular story is true, The Daily Show is not a good source of accurate reporting.
You are wrong and obviously you do not watch TDS. I know what they say. It is part their 'entertainment' gig. Kinda like CNN's 'most trusted news source' or Fox News 'Fair balanced'..
I challange ANYONE to find ONE event where Jon Stewart has reported news incorrectly or confused the facts.. JUST ONE!
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Dude you've shown me with that "The Daily Show only tells the truth" line that you are NOT playing with a full deck and that it is pointless to try and argue with you.
Prove me wrong and I call you sir for at least 2 weeks.. 8)
His actual reports now.. Not the skits..
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Did you guys see the Daily show from the Dem convention, where Steven Colbert got all the different Dems in a room to talk about their issues and called them by their stereo typical names. ( ie Black Guy, Organized labor, Gay guy and my favorite Arabtino)
Pure Genius!!!
A great exceprt...
It was great when Colbert asked "Black guy how do you feel about gay marrige?"
Black Guy: "I think it's ok and the right of Homosexuals."
Colber: "Ok black guy kiss the Gay guy."
Black Guy: "No"
Colbert : ":That doesn't sound like accpetance to me."
"Arabtino what do you think."
At the end he had all the different people representing all the different issues arguing with one another and talking over each other. Exasperated, he ends with "I can't wait for the Republican Convention because I can guarantee one thing ( with relief in his voice... ) None of these issues will be heard.
LOLH
Pure Genius.
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Kappa you are a special national treasure!
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Originally posted by mars01
Did you guys see the Daily show from the Dem convention, where Steven Colbert got all the different Dems in a room to talk about their issues and called them by their stereo typical names. ( ie Black Guy, Organized labor, Gay guy and my favorite Arabtino)
Pure Genius!!!
A great exceprt...
It was great when Colbert asked "Black guy how do you feel about gay marrige?"
Black Guy: "I think it's ok and the right of Homosexuals."
Colber: "Ok black guy kiss the Gay guy."
Black Guy: "No"
Colbert : ":That doesn't sound like accpetance to me."
"Arabtino what do you think."
At the end he had all the different people representing all the different issues arguing with one another and talking over each other. Exasperated, he ends with "I can't wait for the Republican Convention because I can guarantee one thing ( with relief in his voice... ) None of these issues will be heard.
LOLH
Pure Genius.
lol ya.. that was a good one.. And when he was looking for the lesbian representative and walked up to one but he wasnt sure if she was..
ummm..umm.. mame are you.. ummm..umm.
the girl: yes, I'm a lesbian.
lol was good stuff
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Another great Colbert piece on the Daily Show web now.
Colbert at the RNC (http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/corr_colbert.jhtml)
Laughed my prettythang off. I love the part where the guy won't even turn around to talk to him so he ask questions to the back of his head holding the mic at the base of the back of his head.
Then one lady asks him who he is with, he says nambla and she goes oh thats great...
LOLHROTFFPM.
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lol ya.. that was a good one.. And when he was looking for the lesbian representative and walked up to one but he wasnt sure if she was..
ummm..umm.. mame are you.. ummm..umm.
the girl: yes, I'm a lesbian.
lol was good stuff
Yeah how about the one lady that he asked first.
Colbert to some random lady: "Are you a lesbian"
Lady: "No."
Colbert: "Cmon, you never thought about it?
Lady: "No"
Colbert: "Not even in college?"
Lady: "No"
Colbert: "How about right now are thinking about a woman?"
Lady "No"
Colbert: Exhasperated he moves on to find a lesbian. lolh.
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omg ya.. I forgot about that part!! hahaha chic was kinda hot too! hehe
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
You are wrong and obviously you do not watch TDS. I know what they say. It is part their 'entertainment' gig. Kinda like CNN's 'most trusted news source' or Fox News 'Fair balanced'..
All right, whatever you say. Just remember the helmet, 'cause I care about you and don't want to see you hurt.
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Originally posted by SOB
All right, whatever you say. Just remember the helmet, 'cause I care about you and don't want to see you hurt.
LoL I bet you do!
Well, fact check SOB.. Do you believe Cheeny lied in an attempt at a zinger or not?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
wow !amazed
how witty of you..
I wanted you to be able to understand.
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cheeny has pawned all you neo-libs, with his "lie" he tricked you into going on and on about something that would have been forgoten, but by bringing up his "lie" you keep reminding people that edwards was and is AWOL from his senate duties and by association how much john heinz-kerry has been AWOL from the senate.
"reporting for dooty" ...about time heinz-kerry showed up for work
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I wanted you to be able to understand.
understand what an ignorant tard you are? Ya, I got that with no trouble at all.. 8)
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Originally posted by john9001
cheeny has pawned all you neo-libs, with his "lie" he tricked you into going on and on about something that would have been forgoten, but by bringing up his "lie" you keep reminding people that edwards was and is AWOL from his senate duties and by association how much john heinz-kerry has been AWOL from the senate.
"reporting for dooty" ...about time heinz-kerry showed up for work
Hands down the best justification for a lie yet!!!! Man the lengths you guys will goto! lmao
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
understand what an ignorant tard you are? Ya, I got that with no trouble at all.. 8)
Do you know what "ignorant" means?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Do you know what "ignorant" means?
Ya.. thats why I didnt call you stupid.. 8) I still feel you have a chance of learning..
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so mean ol Cheney is saying that even when he meets edwards that edwards is not memerable. Probly thought edwards was one of the waiters or a reporter since he had never seen him before. least not where it counted eh?
lazs
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LoL this is TOO easy..
Cheney is a LIAR!!
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20041006_463.html
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Millions of stoned slackers can't be wrong...
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in the context of the thing... Cheney was correct in saying that he never met edwards before... that is if the "context" was that he had never seen him doing his job. I don't really care how many free prayer breakfasts edwards scarfs down. He doesn't get paid to eat breakfast.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
in the context of the thing... Cheney was correct in saying that he never met edwards before... that is if the "context" was that he had never seen him doing his job. I don't really care how many free prayer breakfasts edwards scarfs down. He doesn't get paid to eat breakfast.
lazs
lol lazs.. too funny... I'm afraid though thats only a 4th perhaps 3rd place (still undecided) in the lie justification competition.. More waiter analogy and you'd been in 2nd no worries!
Does he get paid for this???
On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina senator, Edwards aides also said.
lol good one though!
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Originally posted by lazs2
so mean ol Cheney is saying that even when he meets edwards that edwards is not memerable.lazs
That's why I think Edwards wouldn't challenge it when Cheney said it.
"I met you! I did! You don't remember me?! Er...."
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
humm.. dunno bout moot.. but if it makes you feel better, doesnt bother me..
I am talking about Cheeny here and his lies...
And ok Cheney lied. So what?
I've said many many times before "they all lie"
Cheney hardly has a monopoly on Lieing
Kinda like the old "dog bites man" story
Not news.
And the subject if not the arguement, is STILL Moot:D
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Fact is though i was not arguing Edwards attendence. Could not care less..Guess your own tangent fooled you into thinking I was concerned about it? I am talking about Cheeny here and his lies...
Now your lieing
You specifically said
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Also Cheeny told a round about lie about Edwards attendance rate.
He didnt lie about Edwards attendance rate. He lied about meeting edwards.
As for Cheneys attendence rate Well I stand by my words. and if you dint care so much about Edwards attendance rate. why did you even mention it?
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Oh and BTW. Im sorry.
You will have to excuse me if I choose to not take a comedy show...
Seriously
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Ya, I was wondering how long that would take.. I suppose I wrote that wrong..
I meant to say that according to my understanding Cheney was only at 2 Senate meetings in 4yrs and have yet to find any info on it.. If he was only at 2 meetings hes still 'roundabout' lying because he himself was not there.
But sure, I lied.. Good thing I'm not running for POTUS or VP or you'd have me!! Seems your more worried about my lie than Cheney's?? Why is that you suppose??
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Oh and BTW. Im sorry.
You will have to excuse me if I choose to not take a comedy show...
Seriously
None needed! Just no need in questioning that particular show's facts if you dont know.. 8) True faks is true faks!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Millions of stoned slackers can't be wrong...
TDS is a Spam Filter for Stoners.
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(http://www.mtr.org/seminars/satellite/dailyshow/daily.gif)
"People confuse us for a news show often - that either is a scathing indictment on the state of press coverage in our times, or a scathing indictment on the quality of humour in the show. I like to think it's a little of both."
-John Stewart
guess that's the right quote ...
anyway ... it's good coming from the Daily Show
:D
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Ya, I was wondering how long that would take.. I suppose I wrote that wrong..
I meant to say that according to my understanding Cheney was only at 2 Senate meetings in 4yrs and have yet to find any info on it.. If he was only at 2 meetings hes still 'roundabout' lying because he himself was not there.
But sure, I lied.. Good thing I'm not running for POTUS or VP or you'd have me!! Seems your more worried about my lie than Cheney's?? Why is that you suppose??
With reguards to Cheneys attendance.Even if true it isnt nearly as important that he attend as it is for Edwards.
For reasons I've already mentioned.
Ok you lied, so what? I dont care if you lied any more then Cheney or Edwards .
so there.. liar :p
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I read this morning that Cheney was there.... jeeze I forget, but it was 4 times tops. Quite likely 2 or 3. He hasn't been there at all this year.
He made it sound like it was some annoying ritual to have to spend every damn Tuesday there.
But as far as Cheney's lies go, I don't see what the big deal is over it. Just more smoke.
[edit]
Twice is correct.
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I reakon its not that big of a deal. I was only pointing out the fact. He could have made his valid point without the lie just as well..
If Edwards told such a lie, it would be the next damning soundbite.
Is there a difference in saying something you know not to be true and saying something that might not come true? When we say all politicians lie, sure they do. It is always over promise under deliver. But is that the same thing? I'm really confused on this one..
Thats my reasoning.. I dont think they should ever just be accepted.. Not lies like that! That is just too bold and shows an excessive amount of contempt for the american public...
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Yeah, ya know, I agree with ya....
There's all sorts of lies.
Many mistatements are considered lies. In reality they don't mean much. Yet often they are distorted to become some.... monster.
Others are seemingly small and trivial lies...
Yet, sometimes in the trivial lies, you can see in them something much more revealing. More strange.
The reason, in my opinion, that Cheney gets away with so much, is because when compared to everything Cheney says and has said, the small ones just pale in comparison... It's like they aren't even there.
You're absolutely right - if Edwards lied like Cheney lied on Tuesday, it would be such grist for the mill.
So... It is one hell of an accomplishment when you've risen to the level that you cannot be hurt by lies, even the telling ones, because of the sheer volume of them. It's something else.
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>>Yet, sometimes in the trivial lies, you can see in them something much more revealing. More strange.
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Yea Nash, I guess the whole world is nothing but "gay" "'tards" because they aren't as sensative and empathetic as you. The only thing worse than a liar is a hypocrite.
I nominate you as DNC poster child. You're a hypocrite and not a citizen - you fit the mold.
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One of these things is not like the other.
What does your quote have to do with what you followed it with?
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Oh, allow me to elaborate. Because in your sensitive quest to save the down trodden, you use things like "You're gay" or "You're a 'tard." Its a logical inaconsistancy that anyone who had empathy would use such tactics. That would make the person a hypocrite.
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Picture me staring off into middle space, not knowing what the eff you are talking about.
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Not hard to do at all, but I respect your rise to mediocrity. Keep trying - I 'm respecting and pulling for you.
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Why, thank you very much.
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.......smack-down in progress...............
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No smack down - just an innocent compliment. One could only respect him for attempting to overcome his sexual ambiguities, and retention problems.
(Nash, anytime you start getting a handle on passive-agressive remarks, we can can stop this childish stuff.)
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Who in the WORLD says "retention problems"?
I know who...
Tweety.... pal...
You really wanna pursue this?
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>>Who in the WORLD says "retention problems"? <<
Er someone with a multisyllable vocabulary?
Do pursue :D
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Nah...
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Nash, let me make this clear. I am not seriously trying to insult you. I enjoy the arguments. I'm just trying to make a point about passive-agressive "compliments" and how it seems the entire mainstream media is oblivious to the concept. Heck, all you have to do is watch an episode of "Everyone loves Raymond" and you'' see it in action with his mother vs his wife. Its not a complicated concept.
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I think, perhaps, that if I were to have any problem with you... It is your confusing ambiguity.
The utter lack of saying what you are trying to say.
It is as if you are shouting from inside of a box of kleenex.
Hell.... I'd almost rather argue with Martlet. d'Oh!... But at least I know where he's coming from.
Of course you will tout your ability to say absolutely nothing as some kind of.... strength....
But it is not.
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oooo kayyy...
If you haven't percieved vieled jabs, I obviously wasn't blunt enough.
My bad. Cya
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Good.
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Heh... it's constant....
You re-edit yer posts.... every one of your posts...
You are the KING of "second thoughts"....
...of "I should have said"....
It only demonstrates ever more your lack of ground... The shifting of your mind.
I am convinced...
You yourself are not in a position to trust even your own thoughts.
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Er yea...
My first post was
"oooo kayyy... "
I added
"If you haven't percieved vieled jabs, I obviously wasn't blunt enough.
My bad. Cya"
If you see that as a changing mind and not elaboration, oh well.
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Yeah, except that was just one of many.
Tweety...
Unless I sense that what you say here on this BBS stems from honesty, I am probably going to give you an extremely rough time.
There are multitudes of folks here that I disagree with. Vehemently. But I find them honest. And I respect 'em.
There's something about you....
If you wanna stalk folks like me, then you had better come clean. And I'd respect you for it. And then we could move past all this "passive aggressiveness" or whatever.
Because what drives the things that you are saying are the things you aren't saying.
It makes it impossible to talk to you.
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Now Girls
fight nice :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Heh... it's constant....
You re-edit yer posts.... every one of your posts...
You are the KING of "second thoughts"....
...of "I should have said"....
It only demonstrates ever more your lack of ground... The shifting of your mind.
I am convinced...
You yourself are not in a position to trust even your own thoughts.
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so where's your uproar ??
it's up to the cit to extract the bs from the truth and vice versa and vote accordingly...
LANDSLIDE BUSH!!
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
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Thats my reasoning.. I dont think they should ever just be accepted.. Not lies like that! That is just too bold and shows an excessive amount of contempt for the american public...
Dude, Cheney lieng about something like that is like complaining about a butterfly fart on a pig farm.
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lmao omg wtf are the last 15 post here? Martlet's was the most coherent of them all!! wtf is that?? hahahaha
I have no idea the point Tweedy was tryin to make.. Right over my head I guess.. lol
Dude, Cheney lieng about something like that is like complaining about a butterfly fart on a pig farm.
Ya I know.. It was just such an obvious lie though.. hehe I thought at least SOMEONE would care.. Maybe even Tweety might rethink his position from damning Edwards b/c of a tactfully played 'gay' card if brought to lite cheney's blatent lying..
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seriously guy... His wife wispered to him "yes you did meet him at that prayer thing rememeber?" and he said "oh yeah... unmemerable little watermelon ain't he.. thought he was a televeangelist or something... my mistake"
It has happened to all of us... or should have by now... I think most voters realize that. nit picky apartment dwelling liberals have time for that sor of nit picky stuff no one else cares.
His point was that he never seen the guy at work. and since they botjh had the same job in the same building... get it?
add this to the damning ".org" instead of "dot com" and you have someone out of their mind... next he will be claiming he was in cambodia Xmas time during the war in vietnam!
lazs
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It has happened to all of us... or should have by now... I think most voters realize that. nit picky apartment dwelling liberals have time for that sor of nit picky stuff no one else cares.
It has not happened to me. Apartment dwelling liberals? Gd lazs! Your getting very specific with you hate. Are you getting old and fear you are running outta time to hate the masses so you hate a smaller target now? No one else cares? Thats BS.. Do you consider yourself 'that elite' that you could answer for all the other people? What total BS........
His point was that he never seen the guy at work. and since they botjh had the same job in the same building... get it?
BS.. That was not his point.. Point is Cheney has been at 2 Senate meetings in 4 years. Edwards' voting record is right on par with total number of votes cast. Perhaps he missed the meetings but he cast the vote.. Edit: Also we dont see Edwards lying to make up for short comings.
add this to the damning ".org" instead of "dot com" and you have someone out of their mind... next he will be claiming he was in cambodia Xmas time during the war in vietnam!
Really lazs.. Please let us know who you are hating on.. I'm not sure if you mean Edwards or Cheney here. The fact that it makes absolutly zero sence is beside the point..
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dude... the apartment dwelling liberal is the support group for kerrie.... look at an electorial map... he only takes large population city dwellers as a rule.
seriously... it is a nit picky thing.... if you want to find lies by both parties there are a lot bigger whoppers out there. I would put this one down as an honest mistake that had a lot of truth to the core of it...
kerrie said he is a friend of the hunter but the way he likes to hunt deer is "crawling around on his belly with a double barrel shotgun" you probly won't get this one... In Bush country this is a real knee slapper.
there is a fundamental difference in the city dweller and those who do everything to get away from the city dweller... Cityu dwellers are the women of the past few decades... they have different needs and wants for America. Open your eyes and look at the electorial vote maps for the last few elections.
lazs
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I see.. I have never thought about a base group of people like that.. Personnaly I live in a house that myself and my father built a large portion of..
Ya.. I see the BS in the 'on your belly w/ a shotgun' bit.. I have never lived in a large city. Well, Pensacola, Fl is kinda large. That would be the biggest for me. I grew up in a small rural town in NW florida. I camped, hunted, fished, and camped some more. I've hunted pretty much every type game animal in the SouthEast.. My highschool grad class was 48 people.. lol Pretty small.. I'm not so sure about 'Bush country', but in the country Kerry's statement would not be perfectly correct. Perhaps if he'd thrown in some type of treestand or runnin dogs (my now hated form of hunting) in his comment.. But his actual point, I think, was not far from the mark. Perhaps, even if it seems inefficent, it is really what he likes to do.. haha
lazs, I do see what you are saying. I have, to the best of my ability, stopped looking for 'fundamental differences' in people. That type of thinking, IMO, leads to nothing better than segregation and the tearing down of group harmony. I instead, (bleeding heart liberal here I guess) attempt for the most part to find common groud. In my short stay here (on earth) I have come to believe there is always a better way..
For the most part from Americans, I do not see differences. I instead try (it is hard sometimes) to hold to the belief we all want a better America..
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dude... I think we all want a better America or... at least one that is not worse.
I can see the similarities in people too but a person would be blind if they didn't look at voting patterns and see huge generalities.
In general, for the most part, mostly, allmost allways... however you want to put it.... people in large populated areas vote fundamentaly differently than rural people.
Is it possible that some do not fit the mold? certainly but... the generality holds.
I believe that the country has fundamental differences and desires that form along city/country lines. to say differently is to say that 9 out of ten blacks voting democrat is a coincedence and the result of deep thinking.
I simply call a spade a spade (the shovel not the racial group).
The "lie" that is the subject of this farce of a thread is a mistake... it is a common mistake and he admitted it was a mistake when his wife reminded him... it is, like the .org one... a very easy mistake to make... I think the red states and counties understand this.
to preach it as a lie may get support from the choir but it simply makes the left appear petty and silly to everyone else.
lazs
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further... every big city I have ever been to is a noisy, confusing,filthy dung hole full of rude and self absorbed a holes.
What they want for America is not what I want for America. I don't want to solve their self made problems with my freedoms and taxes...
conversly... they want me to solve their problems with my freedoms and money (we shoot each other here too much so lets take away the country folks guns).
They probly don't want to pay for my very different problems.
lazs
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The "lie" that is the subject of this farce of a thread is a mistake... it is a common mistake and he admitted it was a mistake when his wife reminded him... it is, like the .org one... a very easy mistake to make... I think the red states and counties understand this.
Where then lazs, is his public statement correcting himself?? He met the man 3x at least! And as you would like to think, Edwards is not a waiter. Admittedly I had not really heard of him before the election, but obviously Edwards has been around. Too believe Cheney would not remember him is ... well BS too me.. The fact that Cheney could have made is valid point without the lie speaks mulitudes to me.. Lets not forget that Cheney knew all too well Edwards attendance, but didnt know the man?? BS BS BS.....
to preach it as a lie may get support from the choir but it simply makes the left appear petty and silly to everyone else.
Everyone else? There you go again lazs! Pointing out a lie is petty now? If it is so petty, clearly Edwards must have told some lie about Cheney? What was it??
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I don't think it was a lie... I think it was a mistake. I do not say that Cheney never told a lie... I just don't think this is the case here.
It is not Cheney or me or even edwards that is being petty here it is you and those who make a big deal out of a simple mistake. sheesh... there must be something better for you to wring your hands over out there.
lazs
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lazs, Edwards is running for Cheney's job and he had a debate with him.. Can you honestly think that Cheney would put no more thought into Edwards to the point of going to debate him and believe he had never met him?? I could understand had he only met him once and Edwards was not a member of the Senate. They have met, exchanged words, and/or shook hands on at least 3 seperate occasions. Others remember who Cheney has meet before Cheney does? Tim Russert for one.. I will never be convinced it was a simple mistake and he did not mean to be dishonest to make a point hit harder.
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I guess we will never agree but...
It just seems like someone of Cheney's darth vader like malicious wit would have known that such an easily disproved lie would not have gone undetected..
That would make it seem like a simple, understandable misstake to most folks.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I guess we will never agree but...
It just seems like someone of Cheney's darth vader like malicious wit would have known that such an easily disproved lie would not have gone undetected..
That would make it seem like a simple, understandable misstake to most folks.
lazs
That or utter contempt for the American people.
I do believe Cheney to be a smart person. That is precisely why I cannot believe he could not remember meeting someone of Edward's stature and not remember.. Three TIMES at least..
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Edward's stature
His stature?
He was a nobody freshmen.
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It is not surprise Cheny says things that are not true. It is the Daily show that played his last clip saying that he never said there was a direct link between Saddam and the terrorists and then they played a video of him saying there is a direct link between Saddam and the Terrorists.
This whole lie about meeting Edwards is no suprise and not the first time.:rolleyes:
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BTW - Who watched last night. That was a great chat with OR'iely. Boy has he done a double take. I wonder who or what made him switch his stance on these guys.
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geeze dude... you can't have it both ways... either Cheney is an evil republican mastermind or he is so dumb that he has so much contempt for Americans that he doesn't think they will notice when every liberal media hack in the world catch's easily checked mistake/lie...
Which is it?
lazs
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Originally posted by mars01
BTW - Who watched last night. That was a great chat with OR'iely. Boy has he done a double take. I wonder who or what made him switch his stance on these guys.
I was busy w/ friends when the 10clk show came on then I fell asleep right before the midnight show.. hehe I hate I missed it.. Gonna try to catch it today at 6..
What happened btw?? Just in case I miss it??
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Anyone see it? Did anyone get to see the Daily Show catch Cheeny in another LIE?? When Cheeny said he had never meet Edwards before, it was a lie. They had meet before.
Also Cheeny told a round about lie about Edwards attendance rate. Cheeny himself had only been there 2x in 4 years..
For someone like myself that hasn't followed politics until recently - how is it that someone who attends senate twice in 4 years can get elected more then once?
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Originally posted by lazs2
geeze dude... you can't have it both ways... either Cheney is an evil republican mastermind or he is so dumb that he has so much contempt for Americans that he doesn't think they will notice when every liberal media hack in the world catch's easily checked mistake/lie...
Which is it?
lazs
I've never called him dumb.. So you figure it out.. 8)
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Originally posted by Wolfala
For someone like myself that hasn't followed politics until recently - how is it that someone who attends senate twice in 4 years can get elected more then once?
It seems you dont follow my quote that you quoted so much either.. Look again 8)
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Oy...I need to sleep more.
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It was funny, Nothing that stood out, he did make OR'iely kind of apologize to his viewers, which made me laugh.
JS's report was very funny and the interview with OR'iely was good.
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Hope it airs today.. I'm just not certain of if they show the previous nights episode at 6pm on Fridays since there is no show on Fridays. Hope so, I really wanted to see last night's show..