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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: WhiteHawk on October 08, 2004, 07:54:02 AM
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Any of you flag wavin' "patriots" can debunk Moores claim that the bin ladens and the bushs are major investors in the carlysle group?
And if not, can anybody debunk his claim that they stood to gain hundreds of millions from the 911 attacks prior to the attacks?
During my research in the 911 conspiracy possibility, I had run across some papers that alleged S bin laden, O binladens brother, and bush senior were a cupple blocks away from the pentagon attacks as they happend, but discarded them as 'so what if they were?' information. I hadnt realized that they were business partners and stood to gain hundreds of millions from these very attacks.
If allegatuions are true, isnt this just a bit too close for comfort?
PS It is expected that both myself and Moore will be ridiculed and insulted by the same old group of "patriots". But do your man proud, offer some real opinions or better yet, some hard evidence to debunk these claims. I really, really, dont want to believe that Saudi Arabia is contributing in any way to the Bushs wealth.
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Links...must have documented proof of all allegations my friend otherwise it's just wildass rumor.
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Hope lies within (http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html)
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I'm going to see it soon! Possibly this w/end if I can find a copy of it. It is released on video, right?
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Originally posted by JimBear
Hope lies within (http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html)
Translated:
I'm going to stick my head in the sand with my thumb up my bellybutton and make fun of you, even if you DO have OUR countrie's best interest at heart..
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I heard that it really was JFKennedy that masterminded the 9/11 plot to kill Elvis, who was known to be hiding in either the world trade centers or the pentagon where he was making plans with Jimmy Hoffa for world domination.
Any of you flag wavin' "patriots" can debunk Moores claim that the bin ladens and the bushs are major investors in the carlysle group?
And if not, can anybody debunk his claim that they stood to gain hundreds of millions from the 911 attacks prior to the attacks?
During my research in the 911 conspiracy possibility, I had run across some papers that alleged S bin laden, O binladens brother, and bush senior were a cupple blocks away from the pentagon attacks as they happend, but discarded them as 'so what if they were?' information. I hadnt realized that they were business partners and stood to gain hundreds of millions from these very attacks.
If allegatuions are true, isnt this just a bit too close for comfort?
This is the most ridiculous assnine shxt I have read on this board in a long long time. You must have the IQ of a freaking cabbage if you believe any of that crap. People say "paranoia will annoy ya", but in this case you decided to annoy us with your delusional paranoia. Seek professional help, and soon.
Oh, BTW, what is your "research"? Looking around the intardnet to see what nonsense some idiots choose to post? Mabye CBS gave you some documents? hahahah
dago
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Any of you flag wavin' "patriots" can debunk Moores claim that the bin ladens and the bushs are major investors in the carlysle group?
And if not, can anybody debunk his claim that they stood to gain hundreds of millions from the 911 attacks prior to the attacks?
During my research in the 911 conspiracy possibility, I had run across some papers that alleged S bin laden, O binladens brother, and bush senior were a cupple blocks away from the pentagon attacks as they happend, but discarded them as 'so what if they were?' information. I hadnt realized that they were business partners and stood to gain hundreds of millions from these very attacks.
If allegatuions are true, isnt this just a bit too close for comfort?
PS It is expected that both myself and Moore will be ridiculed and insulted by the same old group of "patriots". But do your man proud, offer some real opinions or better yet, some hard evidence to debunk these claims. I really, really, dont want to believe that Saudi Arabia is contributing in any way to the Bushs wealth.
Is this the same research you did on WTC buildings being destroyed by their owners? That turned out well for you.
Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Translated:
I'm going to stick my head in the sand with my thumb up my bellybutton and make fun of you, even if you DO have OUR countrie's best interest at heart..
Yea, cupple this with what we know about the attacks and it all paints a very ugly picture. Business as usual.
Blockbuster is renting them. There were about 30 slots for the DVD and VCR and we got the last DVD on the shelf and there were 4 VCR's left, and it was Thursday:eek:
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whitehawk... as you get older you will learn that the far left (or right) corners of the internet and whack jobs like michell moore (his movie was based on a left wing nutjobs book) well...
they are lieing to you. they are trying to get attention and they are sick people... when you realize this some day you will get angry ... at being betrayed and at letting yourself be betrayed....after a few years of being angry at these poor sick puppies and yourself you will learn to ignore them.
you can short circut a lot of the pain by simply doing a search for his movie and looking at the sites that prove him to be wrong and or miossleading in allmost every case. His earlier movies were the same sensationalistic and missleading entertainment.
thing is... if you own any stock... moore could have made a moivie where you were friends with bin laudin and had a lot to gain by the destruction of the WTC.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dago
I heard that it really was JFKennedy that masterminded the 9/11 plot to kill Elvis, who was known to be hiding in either the world trade centers or the pentagon where he was making plans with Jimmy Hoffa for world domination.
This is the most ridiculous assnine shxt I have read on this board in a long long time. You must have the IQ of a freaking cabbage if you believe any of that crap. People say "paranoia will annoy ya", but in this case you decided to annoy us with your delusional paranoia. Seek professional help, and soon.
Oh, BTW, what is your "research"? Looking around the intardnet to see what nonsense some idiots choose to post? Mabye CBS gave you some documents? hahahah
dago
I didnt say I beleived it. I was searching for hard facts from an indifferent crowd. I did say I was going to be ridiculed and insulted by the predictable simpletons who havent produced any other kind of defense for the serious allegations that are being made.
And what research i have done is obviously more than you are capable of doing.
By the way, 1978 house assasinations committee determined that the assssination of JFK was a probable conspiracy.
There are 3 kinds of conspiracys. Conspiracy thoery (no evidence). One such conspiracy theory is that Al Queada Brought down all 7 WTC buildings with the precision of a highly skilled demolition team, only 2 jetliners and some boxcutters were used.
Conspiracy possibility (Some evidience). One such conspiracy possibility is that the WTC Buildings were brought down by a highly trained secret demolition squad.
Conspiracy probability. (Lots of evidence, but no trial). Ex.
JFK was assassinated by some person or group of persons other than or, perhaps including, Lee harvey Oswald.
So, when you ridicule those who believe that JFK's murder was a conspiracy, you are really demonstrating your own, err, ignorance, and I use that term very graciously:) .
I bet you got a big ole US flag flyin in yer yard eh?:lol
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Poor Whitehawk. Actually took Michael Moore Seriously.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Is this the same research you did on WTC buildings being destroyed by their owners? That turned out well for you.
Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also.
How so Martlet? I didnt know that moore was with the carlysle group. And, other than his movie how did he benifit from 911?
Are you saying that the bushs and bin ladens are or were business partners of some kind in the carlysle group and can you document this?
thnx for the sensible reply.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Poor Whitehawk. Actually took Michael Moore Seriously.
I didnt say I took him seriosly. You did. I simply asked a question, and as usual, nobody has the nads to answer it. Get your kid to read this for you.
IF the bushs and the bin ladens are (or were) in business together before, during, or after 911, IS THIS TOO CLOSE FOR YOUR COMFORT? yes or no.
I cant make it any simpler. IF the bushs and bin ladens are or were in business together, IT is too close for my comfort. I dont like it. DO YOU? yes or no.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I didnt say I beleived it. I was searching for hard facts
Heh....searching for "hard facts" and got suckered in by Michael Moores' propaganda film.
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I hadnt realized that they were business partners and stood to gain hundreds of millions from these very attacks.
I didnt say I beleived it.
Sounds contradictory to me. Make up your mind, are you a gullible fool or aren't you?
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Sounds contradictory to me. Make up your mind, are you a gullible fool or aren't you?
dago
More ridicules and name calling.
IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU! Please Dago, answer the question.
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I didnt know that moore was with the carlysle group.
There's a lot of things you don't know. You're sheeple. You get your information from one source, swallow it whole, then run to the BBS with it.
And, other than his movie how did he benifit from 911?
So, to benefit through exploitation is ok with you? That's the only way i've seen anyone benefit so far. If you have information showing otherwise, I'd love to see it.
Are you saying that the bushs and bin ladens are or were business partners of some kind in the carlysle group and can you document this?
No, isn't that what you said?
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Originally posted by sling322
Heh....searching for "hard facts" and got suckered in by Michael Moores' propaganda film.
Free speach happens from the public to the public, even if it is false. and if these allegations are false, then they are severley slanderous. (why isnt bush defending himself legally?)
Propaganda is what happens when the government gives false information distorted or filtered information to the public.
Ex. The 911 commsion report has 28 pages omitted reguarding the relationship between The bushs and Saudi arabia. Even tho there is no outright lies being presented by the 911 commision, the full content has been sensored by, somebody, in the govt.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I didnt say I took him seriosly. You did. I simply asked a question, and as usual, nobody has the nads to answer it. Get your kid to read this for you.
IF the bushs and the bin ladens are (or were) in business together before, during, or after 911, IS THIS TOO CLOSE FOR YOUR COMFORT? yes or no.
I cant make it any simpler. IF the bushs and bin ladens are or were in business together, IT is too close for my comfort. I dont like it. DO YOU? yes or no.
Lets look at it this way just for a second.....mkay.
Even if Bush sr. had a working relationship with A bin laden and not actually Osama....is this a bad thing?
1. NO....let me tell you why. Osama is astranged from his family...most of his family dosn't share his extremest views.
2. In Saudi Arabia you cannot throw a rock without hitting a Bin Laden.....OBL has IRRC 60 Brothers!
3. The bin ladens are like the second richest family in one of the richest oil countries in the world. Bush Sr. being an oil man might have contact or a relationship with a bin laden.
How you and Moore claim that Bush and the carlyle group stand to make money off of 9/11 I don't know.
If you are talking about the susbequent wars that followed.....well show me a war that somone didn't make a profit off of.
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Originally posted by Martlet
There's a lot of things you don't know. You're sheeple. You get your information from one source, swallow it whole, then run to the BBS with it.
Jeez Martlet, just give me the info. OK im sheeple. What relationship does moore have with the carlysle group? And if you know about his relationship you must know about his allegations of the bush/bin laden connection to the carlysle group!
Even tho there is nobody answering the key question here that I have asked over and over, you are on the verge of a breakthru from the name calling and riduling defense of the other wart-faced hunchbacks!
Maybe you could answer the question.
IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU! My answer is YES. What is yours?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Translated:
I'm going to stick my head in the sand with my thumb up my bellybutton and make fun of you, even if you DO have OUR countrie's best interest at heart..
Forgive me for making a jest when someone posts about an epiphany arrived at while watching a propaganda movie.
But to be direct, **** off DdV
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No
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Originally posted by Dago
You must have the IQ of a freaking cabbage if you believe any of that crap. People say "paranoia will annoy ya"...
:rofl
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thank you for trying to save me but I believe that you cut in front of the nice mormon guys... go back to the back of the line.
lazs
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Lets look at it this way just for a second.....mkay.
Even if Bush sr. had a working relationship with A bin laden and not actually Osama....is this a bad thing?
1. NO....let me tell you why. Osama is astranged from his family...most of his family dosn't share his extremest views.
2. In Saudi Arabia you cannot throw a rock without hitting a Bin Laden.....OBL has IRRC 60 Brothers!
3. The bin ladens are like the second richest family in one of the richest oil countries in the world. Bush Sr. being an oil man might have contact or a relationship with a bin laden.
How you and Moore claim that Bush and the carlyle group stand to make money off of 9/11 I don't know.
If you are talking about the susbequent wars that followed.....well show me a war that somone didn't make a profit off of.
Thank you for your answer.
1 no 1 yes.
I will get back to you on your question of Carlysles profiting from the war anamolously compared to companies who didnt have the connections to cause it. ( I have to gather my sources lest I be severly scrutinized)
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2 no's 1 yes
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU! My answer is YES. What is yours?
Sure you would be correct if the bush's had some sort of direct contact with Al Queda......that would be too close BUT NOT CRIMINAL.
Since no one from the Bush family or the carlyle group had contact with Osama Bin Laden......i say no....not to close.
Considering...
OBL WAS THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE FAMILY AND HAD 60 FREAKING BROTHERS IN THE SECOND RICHEST OIL FAMILY IN A RICH OIL COUNTRY
That's like the equivilint to My cousins half sister's boyfriends cousin knows this guy who is going out with this girl who's brothers best friend saw farris pass out at 31 flavors last night.
The argument you are making has been struck down time and time again. Give it up....look at the facts.
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Carlyle owns United defense.
United Defense provides Combat Vehicle Systems, Fire Support, Combat Support Vehicle Systems, Weapons Delivery Systems, Amphibious Assault Vehicles, and Combat Support Services. UDLP's current programs include:
Bradley Family of Vehicles
M113 Family of Vehicles
M88A2 Recovery Vehicle
Grizzly
M9 ACE
Composite Armored Vehicle
M6 Linebacker
M7 BFIST
Armored Gun System
M4 Command and Control Vehicle
Battle Command Vehicle
Paladin
Future Scout and Cavalry System
Crusader
Combat Systems Integration
Integrated Defense Systems
Electric Drive Vehicles
FBCB2
Electric Gun Technology/Pulse Power
Advanced Simulations and Training Systems
Fleet Management
Now dont start up with the flag waving, I am not saying it is wrong to be the 7th largest military company in the US. But since thousands of people are dying (both US troops and Innocent Iraqi children). It gets a little too close for comfort. Hopefully, there wont be a connection between the carlysle group and those oil interests in afghanistan and Iraq. Then it gets to smelling really fishy. Oh, i forgot about Cheney and Haliburton.
Hmmm,
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The source is CNN money.
December 13, 2001: 6:52 p.m. ET
Military contractor sells 21.1M shares at $19 via Lehman, Goldman.
Prudential's $3B IPO leads slew of new issues - Dec. 8, 2001
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - United Defense Industries Inc. raised $400.9 million Friday ahead of its initial public offering.
The Arlington, Va.-based company sold 21.1 million shares at $19, the mid-point of its $18 to $20 price range, via lead underwriters Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs.
United Defense company makes and designs combat vehicles, naval guns and missile launchers. It also is a prime contractor on several U.S. military programs.
The company plans to trade under the New York Stock Exchange symbol "UDI."
American Pharmaceutical Partners Inc., which specializes in injectable pharmaceutical products, raised $144 million with its IPO.
The company priced 9 million shares at $16 per share, the top of its expected range, through lead underwriters CIBC World Markets.
American Pharmaceutical earned more than $6.6 million in 2000, with sales of more than $165 million. The stock will trade as "APPX" on the Nasdaq.
The final IPO netted $400 million for the carlyle group.
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Gunslinger beat me too it.
There are something like 35 Bin Laden brothers. They come from a wealthy family and have business ties all over the world. That a person of wealth and means in this country might share ownership (meaning stock) in a common business doesn't surprise me at all. Actually, it would surprise me if they didnt.
Osama is as Gunslinger pointed out, estranged from his family.
I met Salem Bin Laden while I lived in Saudi Arabia, he was then on the Board of Directors of 35 companies. He was just one of the brothers. Imagine how many companies the whole family is tied to.
So, while the Bush familiy might have business ties with rich Saudis, as most wealthy people in the world would, do I think there was some conspiracy or colusion to bring down the world trade center or start a war? Hell no, of course not, I am neither that gullible or conspiracy minded.
IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER WHITETARD?
Now, go back to your National Enquirer for some more serious research.
dago
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Originally posted by lazs2
whitehawk... as you get older you will learn that the far left (or right) corners of the internet and whack jobs like michell moore (his movie was based on a left wing nutjobs book) well...
they are lieing to you. they are trying to get attention and they are sick people... when you realize this some day you will get angry ... at being betrayed and at letting yourself be betrayed....after a few years of being angry at these poor sick puppies and yourself you will learn to ignore them.
you can short circut a lot of the pain by simply doing a search for his movie and looking at the sites that prove him to be wrong and or miossleading in allmost every case. His earlier movies were the same sensationalistic and missleading entertainment.
thing is... if you own any stock... moore could have made a moivie where you were friends with bin laudin and had a lot to gain by the destruction of the WTC.
lazs
Lazs...Either moore is lying or Bush is lying. Before I go to vote, I want to know the truth. That is all. That is what our country is all about. That is all I seek. Maybe I am an idiot, maybe i am gullible, but at least I am trying to find the truth.
I am required to specifically and ecxpertly quote and name my sources. I eagerly await yours proving micheal moore wrong. I am only interested in the Bin Laden/Bush connection within the carlyle group as it provides motive for the 'justification' of these 2 wars that are raging now. However, if you can source some of these links that make him a liar in general, I will also read them.
I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words. Why isnt bush fighting back? It is against the law to defame ones character. If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather? Doesnt this strike you as odd?
Bush failed to take his physical results in the swarm of legal detectives to accurately bring us the truth of the matter.
Bush is owned by saudia arabia results in, a 28 page omission from the 911 report. Can u blame me for being suspicious?
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an arms manufacturer profited from a war? How is that possible unless he engineered the colapse of the WTC and made it look like, of all things, airliners with terrorists on board crashed into em?
lazs
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Originally posted by Dago
Gunslinger beat me too it.
There are something like 35 Bin Laden brothers. They come from a wealthy family and have business ties all over the world. That a person of wealth and means in this country might share ownership (meaning stock) in a common business doesn't surprise me at all. Actually, it would surprise me if they didnt.
Osama is as Gunslinger pointed out, estranged from his family.
I met Salem Bin Laden while I lived in Saudi Arabia, he was then on the Board of Directors of 35 companies. He was just one of the brothers. Imagine how many companies the whole family is tied to.
So, while the Bush familiy might have business ties with rich Saudis, as most wealthy people in the world would, do I think there was some conspiracy or colusion to bring down the world trade center or start a war? Hell no, of course not, I am neither that gullible or conspiracy minded.
IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER WHITETARD?
Now, go back to your National Enquirer for some more serious research.
dago
Yes thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35. And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia. They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.
3 no's 1 yes
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yes thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35. And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia. They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.
3 no's 1 yes
If you have to lie to prove your point, you are really proving mine.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Maybe I am an idiot, maybe i am gullible, but at least I am trying to find the truth.
Maybe?
You aren't trying to find the truth. You're trying to find confirmation of what you want to believe.
Big difference.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Carlyle owns United defense.
United Defense provides Combat Vehicle Systems, Fire Support, Combat Support Vehicle Systems, Weapons Delivery Systems, Amphibious Assault Vehicles, and Combat Support Services. UDLP's current programs include:
Bradley Family of Vehicles
M113 Family of Vehicles
M88A2 Recovery Vehicle
Grizzly
M9 ACE
Composite Armored Vehicle
M6 Linebacker
M7 BFIST
Armored Gun System
M4 Command and Control Vehicle
Battle Command Vehicle
Paladin
Future Scout and Cavalry System
Crusader
Combat Systems Integration
Integrated Defense Systems
Electric Drive Vehicles
FBCB2
Electric Gun Technology/Pulse Power
Advanced Simulations and Training Systems
Fleet Management
Now dont start up with the flag waving, I am not saying it is wrong to be the 7th largest military company in the US. But since thousands of people are dying (both US troops and Innocent Iraqi children). It gets a little too close for comfort. Hopefully, there wont be a connection between the carlysle group and those oil interests in afghanistan and Iraq. Then it gets to smelling really fishy. Oh, i forgot about Cheney and Haliburton.
Hmmm,
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OK so with this post you are sudjesting that the Bush's knew or even were involved w/ 9/11 soley because they stand to make a few more million $ (they are allready a fairly wealthy family) by the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Cmon man you are reaching here.
And then your next post is closer.......The article sudjests that pharmaceutical company made WAY MORE money than an Arms manufacturer during a freakin WAR. This serves more to disprove your point. If you want to find a conspiracy of corruption investigate pharmaceutical.....you'll find alot more there.
as far as who is lying....moore or bush.....I say neither....Moore never made any definate conclusions about this subject in his movie he left that up to gulible viewers so therefore he can't be caught in a lie. Google for "debunking F911" and you will find most of his conclusions in F911 torn apart by a 13YO girl. :aok
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yes thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35. And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia. They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.
3 no's 1 yes
I said IIRC 60.....that means If I remember Correctly. The fact still remains that it is an INCREDIBLY LARGE family by ANY STANDARDS. Stick to the content.
PS I was PRetty FREAKIN CLOSE
Born 1957 for Syrian mother, Osama bin Laden was the seventh son among fifty brothers and sisters
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/bio.html
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whitehawk... think about what you are saying for a minute...
"I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words. Why isnt bush fighting back? It is against the law to defame ones character. If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather? Doesnt this strike you as odd? "
think about it.... NO ONE IS TAKING THE ACCUSATIONS SERIOUSLY Get it? If they were true don't you think the liberal media would be making them front page news every day?
Why is only moore making them?
Should Bush bring himself down to answer a whack job like moore? He would address the questions from a legitimate source if any legitimate source would even bother to ask...
Like asking why Bush won't go on the daily show to answer jon stewarts allegations... or conan obrian show..
u are talking about the President having a serious debate with an entertainer.
you really don't see this?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
whitehawk... think about what you are saying for a minute...
"I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words. Why isnt bush fighting back? It is against the law to defame ones character. If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather? Doesnt this strike you as odd? "
think about it.... NO ONE IS TAKING THE ACCUSATIONS SERIOUSLY Get it? If they were true don't you think the liberal media would be making them front page news every day?
Why is only moore making them?
Should Bush bring himself down to answer a whack job like moore? He would address the questions from a legitimate source if any legitimate source would even bother to ask...
Like asking why Bush won't go on the daily show to answer jon stewarts allegations... or conan obrian show..
u are talking about the President having a serious debate with an entertainer.
you really don't see this?
lazs
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Lets not forget that these 'legitmate' news sources were duped right into the whole WMDs in Iraqi. There are no mainstream 'legitimate' news sources anymore it seems..
and lazs, you may see them as 'entertainers' but they are american's with issues none the less.
Its pretty simple why Bush wont do an interview with Jon Stewart.. lol He would be incapable of answering the 'real' questions posed him.. Simple as that.. Dress it anyway you want though..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Lets not forget that these 'legitmate' news sources were duped right into the whole WMDs in Iraqi. There are no mainstream 'legitimate' news sources anymore it seems..
and lazs, you may see them as 'entertainers' but they are american's with issues none the less.
Its pretty simple why Bush wont do an interview with Jon Stewart.. lol He would be incapable of answering the 'real' questions posed him.. Simple as that.. Dress it anyway you want though..
Comedy
Central
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dude... slow down and get a grasp of reality here...
neither candidate would lower themselves to do an "interview" with a hostile comedian... I doubt you would.
Point is... entertainers like moore and stewart are not meant to be taken seriously.... the fact that you do is scarry....
moore is an entertainer who fooled the liberal media and a lot of moviegoers for a brief moment.... he is trying for a comeback with the DVD release and getting those who haven't seen the movie or heard much about it.
moores vision of America is not mine. I do not want a liberal lieing America where the "elite" go around telling other countries that the smartest American is dumber than the the dumbest european... that is what moore does in lectures.... that is who he designed his movie to fool.
Like all liberals...I think he badly underestimated the intelegence of the average American.
lazs
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Oh god not another one of these threads.
Yes Whitehawk the US government and GW Bush planned the murder of thousands of innocent americans in NYC, hundreds in thev pentagon, made sure everyone thought the pentagon was hit by a plane and not a missle, the Bushes also called every jew in the WTC and told them not come into work, of course the jew larry silverstein also put explosives in to wtc 7 the day before 911 so he could blow it up just in case the next day aiurliners crashed into WTC 1 and 2.. Also pf course thios plot was orchestrated by arab hating jews to discredit islam but you know theyv were working with OBL and his band of jew hating arabs to destroy america and free palestine - devious aint it? What elese?? Oh yea the election in 2000 was stolen just to makje this plot possible.. Space aliens were invlved in making flight 77 dissapear. Osama Bin laden is hiding out in norad..
Oh yea and Whitehawk is a lunatic...
Ans espically for you whitehawk:
"There are too many people who imagine that there is something sophisticated about always believing the best of those who hate your country, and the worst of those who defend it."
Thats from Margaret Thatcher..
Really man **** you....
And I hope the black helicopters comne for you tonight....
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And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia.
If you have to lie to prove your point, you are really proving mine.
Now you have proven yourself to be an bellybutton as well as an idiot. Yes I met him, once, and I was friends with the Chief Mechanic of his flight department.
dago
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
OMGILUVMIKALMOORE!!!
The burden of proof lies with the accuser. Its funny on so many levels to have someone actually demand "proof" in the form of counter claims to show that Moore is wrong...
Prove that youre not gay. Cause I saw a film that said you were. PROOVE IT!!!!!1111
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Originally posted by lazs2
dude... slow down and get a grasp of reality here...
neither candidate would lower themselves to do an "interview" with a hostile comedian... I doubt you would.
Point is... entertainers like moore and stewart are not meant to be taken seriously.... the fact that you do is scarry....
moore is an entertainer who fooled the liberal media and a lot of moviegoers for a brief moment.... he is trying for a comeback with the DVD release and getting those who haven't seen the movie or heard much about it.
moores vision of America is not mine. I do not want a liberal lieing America where the "elite" go around telling other countries that the smartest American is dumber than the the dumbest european... that is what moore does in lectures.... that is who he designed his movie to fool.
Like all liberals...I think he badly underestimated the intelegence of the average American.
lazs
umm lazs.. Stewart has interviewed people such as Archbishop TuTu, Bob Dole, Zell Miller, John kerrie, Bill Clinton, too many starch republicans to mention actually but I will try to find a list.. It is quite extensive..
The world is a larger place lazs. Come out of yours on occasion.. 8)
Richard Clarke
Howard Dean
John McCain
Joe Biden
Wesley Clark
Heidi Klum hahaha
Tom Daschle
Joseph Wilson
The head of the Repub. national conven.
Pat Buchanan
Victoria Clarke
John Edwards
Not a very comprehensive list. Not all of the biggest names.. Just what I could find. For certain there are many more Republicans interviewed by Stewart I have not found yet.. I remember the interviews, just not the names..
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Moores 50+ lies exposed
Link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts)
Another link (http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm)
What? Another one? (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723)
And still another? How many know about this conspiracy of lies? (http://senses.typepad.com/sensesworkingovertime/2004/07/fiftynine_decei.html)
Of course Whitewing won't believe it till he reads it in the Enquirer. :rofl
dago
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Wow.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Any of you flag wavin' "patriots" can debunk Moores claim that the bin ladens and the bushs are major investors in the carlysle group?
Can you provide absolute documentation you are not now, nor ever have been a Girl Scout?
Force the "claimers" to provide hard proof..... Anyone can claim anything....the burden of proof is on the claimant.
I don't watch fiction and then spend hours trying to prove it's fiction. I watch it to laugh, and I did.
No ridicule for you - just an exhortation that you provide the proof with the claim, not make a claim and then ask someone else to prove it wrong.
By the way, give me 5 boxes of Samoa's. Thanks.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh god not another one of these threads.
Yes Whitehawk the US government and GW Bush planned the murder of thousands of innocent americans in NYC, hundreds in thev pentagon, made sure everyone thought the pentagon was hit by a plane and not a missle, the Bushes also called every jew in the WTC and told them not come into work, of course the jew larry silverstein also put explosives in to wtc 7 the day before 911 so he could blow it up just in case the next day aiurliners crashed into WTC 1 and 2.. Also pf course thios plot was orchestrated by arab hating jews to discredit islam but you know theyv were working with OBL and his band of jew hating arabs to destroy america and free palestine - devious aint it? What elese?? Oh yea the election in 2000 was stolen just to makje this plot possible.. Space aliens were invlved in making flight 77 dissapear. Osama Bin laden is hiding out in norad..
Oh yea and Whitehawk is a lunatic...
Ans espically for you whitehawk:
"There are too many people who imagine that there is something sophisticated about always believing the best of those who hate your country, and the worst of those who defend it."
Thats from Margaret Thatcher..
Really man **** you....
And I hope the black helicopters comne for you tonight....
Thats right grunstooge, let it all out. the doctors say it will make you feel better. :rofl
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Whatever you say lunatic....
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Originally posted by Dago
Moores 50+ lies exposed
Link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts)
Another link (http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm)
What? Another one? (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723)
And still another? How many know about this conspiracy of lies? (http://senses.typepad.com/sensesworkingovertime/2004/07/fiftynine_decei.html)
Of course Whitewing won't believe it till he reads it in the Enquirer. :rofl
dago
lol Dago! you call that proof? what a hypocrit! That garbage you link to is absolutly no different than Moores accusations you are calling lies. Its all conjecture and the writers POV. A couple of your links are the same writing plagerized on a different site.. Great work guy!! Man you have really done it this time!! Moore must be crying by now!!! lmao
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The bin Laden's were invested in the Carlyle Group, a project in Egypt. Bush Sr. is a member of the Carlyle Group. Shortly after 9/11 happened the Carlyle Group bought out the bin Laden investment in the project and discontinued direct monetary ties with that family.
The Carlyle Group made a bunch of money on the United Defense IPO.
I've never heard that Bush jr. was ever a vested member of the Carlyle Group. His dad was and is however--so there Moore got it right.
h
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another nutbar, conspiracy believing whackjob enters Thunderdome!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whatever you say lunatic....
Please, give proper documentation for your accusation.
I say, IF bush Binladen family ties are true, and Bush is president, bin laden is 911 perpetrator, and both stand to gain millions form the resulting wars, then this makes me feel uncomfortable.
You say I am a lunatic for this? It is just my opinion.
You dont have to read this stuff. It is very upsetting. Nobody wants thier world to change dramatically for the worse. Not even me.
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Originally posted by NUKE
another nutbar, conspiracy believing whackjob enters Thunderdome!
discredit the messenger is a predictable response. However, as stated earlier, it offers no defense or even opinion for your side.
By the way, what is the conspiracy that I am believeng? or is this a programmed response from you?
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LOL Grun, you are my new hero for a day. :D
dago
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I say, IF bush Binladen family ties are true, and Bush is president, bin laden is 911 perpetrator, and both stand to gain millions form the resulting wars, then this makes me feel uncomfortable.
You are putting two and two together and getting six:
The Bush family and bin Laden family have been connected for years. The bin Laden family is enormous.
One of the sons, Osama, became ostracized by the family. Osama perpetrated 9/11. He doesn't stand to gain millions from the war.
Bush's family, otoh, *will* gain by the war insofar as their investments in various DoD contractors, the Carlyle Group being one of them.
A fine difference but a definite one nevertheless.
h
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Please, give proper documentation for your accusation.
Disprove it...
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well, after about 10 minutes of searching for the bush binladen connection, there are so many that I just offer you this.
Type in search' bush bin laden connection' and read for yourself.
(This is for those who demand proper documentation, even tho there is rarely, if ever, proper documentation offered from them).
I am not insinuationg anything here, I am merely stating that if the 3 conditions are true
1. Bush family ties to bin laden
2. Bush president/ bin laden perpretator of 911 attacks.
3. Bush bin laden stand to gain hundreds of millions from the resulting wars...
Then I am uncomfortable.
ARE YOU?
I realize that bin laden pulled out of the carlyle group shortly AFTER the attacks, they could have realized how this looked, and graciously backed away, but, seriously folks, can we really trust the bin ladens?
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts
yep... anyone who would see moores entertaining but vitriholic and false film should read this report.
The report is not very funny or entertaining or sensational but it pretty much deconstructs and debunks the entire film.
The article does to 9/11 what other articlles have done to his other films.
moore is a dishonest little weasel who has no shame and who can find nothing too low to stoop to. No missrepresentation or slight of hand is too abhorent for him to stoop to.
Consevatives would have shunned him if he were on their side by now.
all this while at the same time making fun of his stupid audience while he is abroad. What kind of a tool would admire moore?
lazs
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Whitehawk, prove that you are not a lunatic or please sut up...
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
well, after about 10 minutes of searching for the bush binladen connection, there are so many that I just offer you this.
Type in search' bush bin laden connection' and read for yourself.
(This is for those who demand proper documentation, even tho there is rarely, if ever, proper documentation offered from them).
I am not insinuationg anything here, I am merely stating that if the 3 conditions are true
1. Bush family ties to bin laden
2. Bush president/ bin laden perpretator of 911 attacks.
3. Bush bin laden stand to gain hundreds of millions from the resulting wars...
Then I am uncomfortable.
ARE YOU?
I realize that bin laden pulled out of the carlyle group shortly AFTER the attacks, they could have realized how this looked, and graciously backed away, but, seriously folks, can we really trust the bin ladens?
You're crazy. Seriously. I offer this thread and the WTC thread as "documentation".
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Whitehawk does not run Bartertown.
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I'm gonna go make a wepage that says Whitehawk is a lunitic. All of you free to post links to it as further evidence of whitehaks condition... Then we will ask him to prove us all wrong!
I will also make a page that says he is gay, he will have to dispove that too.
Thanks Whitehawk! Your standrsds of argument are fantastic, I can make any claim against you, cite some kook lunatic sources as evidence, call it gospel and proudly lay the burden on yoiu to disprove my lunatic accusations!
Awesome!!!
:aok
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I find it nauseating to have ever been in the same squad w/ such a liberal whacko as that Dude guy. Ugh, AoM is forever tarnished.
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we have not landed on the moon..
big NASA lie so Kennedy looked good..
paranoid Left
don't worry skerry "has a plan "
LOL LOL LOL
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
well, after about 10 minutes of searching for the bush binladen connection, there are so many that I just offer you this.
Type in search' bush bin laden connection' and read for yourself.
(This is for those who demand proper documentation, even tho there is rarely, if ever, proper documentation offered from them).
I am not insinuationg anything here, I am merely stating that if the 3 conditions are true
1. Bush family ties to bin laden
2. Bush president/ bin laden perpretator of 911 attacks.
3. Bush bin laden stand to gain hundreds of millions from the resulting wars...
Then I am uncomfortable.
ARE YOU?
I realize that bin laden pulled out of the carlyle group shortly AFTER the attacks, they could have realized how this looked, and graciously backed away, but, seriously folks, can we really trust the bin ladens?
Whitehawk what more do you need.....a hammer to hit you in the head with the proof inscribed on it??????
You are reaching here man.....set down the paper bag filled with scotch guard.....close all open paint thinner containers....and get yourself some fresh air.
All you have even remotly proved is something close to being guilty by association. Kinda like Moore said Bush invited the Taliban to texas....not true either but I guess cause Bush and the taliban were in the same state at the same time they must be associated by your standards huh?
Osama is one of 57 siblings. That means all of them have cousins moms kids aunts uncles.....ITS A HUGE FAMILY AND MOST IF NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OSAMA
THE BUSH FAMILY IS INTO OIL.....YOU CANT BE INTO OIL AND NOT HAVE DEALINGS WITH THE BIN LADENS.
Associated sure......but it would be the equivilent to my second cousin's twice removed half sisters aunts brother met elvis once....does that mean I know elvis personally?????
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Originally posted by lazs2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164856/posts
yep... anyone who would see moores entertaining but vitriholic and false film should read this report.
The report is not very funny or entertaining or sensational but it pretty much deconstructs and debunks the entire film.
The article does to 9/11 what other articlles have done to his other films.
moore is a dishonest little weasel who has no shame and who can find nothing too low to stoop to. No missrepresentation or slight of hand is too abhorent for him to stoop to.
Consevatives would have shunned him if he were on their side by now.
all this while at the same time making fun of his stupid audience while he is abroad. What kind of a tool would admire moore?
lazs
I just saw the video yesterday.
I read that article you linked--I think I've seen parts of it before elsewhere and while some of it I'll concede--I really don't know all the why's and wherefore\s of the election debacle--there's a lot of BS in there.
One of the things folks didn't get to see in the movie theaters were the extras included in the DVD--80 minutes of interviews--like Condi Rice's actual testimony before the 9/11 commission--the subject was the PDB the Prez got--before she had said the title was vague--in that interview tho she said it said something like "AL-Queda determined to attack US" (it's probably a bit different) but the point is it was in NO way "vague" as your article would lead one to believe.
That's just one point of the many in the article that was a stretch (Bush's "vacations" for instance--they didn't count the weekends!!).
I can see now why the whole Repub engine went ballistic over this movie. It is quite the indictment. If only 20% of it is true there's real problems coming in November for the neocons.
h
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Whitehawk,
In all honesty and frienlyness here. :)
Your basic problem is that you are too chicken to say exactly what you really think.
It seems to me taht you think the Bush Family and the US goverment were involved carryuing out the 911 attacks in concernt with the arab bin ladens and rich jewish WTC landowners. And that this was all a scheme to earn money and power despite the deaths of thousands of innocents and the destruction of large sectors of the US economy by targeting the econi=omic center of the USA.
This is crazy, and I think even you realize this, but you still belive - because you are prolly a bit nutty or at least angry yourself...
So you have to come up with tangental arguments in the hope that others will somehow infer the same things as you have come to belive.
So thats why you post thgese dubious financial arguments.
Thats why you obess about this huge bin laden family and need to thinkm, and need us to think, that they are all like osama..
Thats why you cite "intersting" sites with lunatic theories that claim the WTC was blown up with bombs and not planes. Or calim that that planew did not hit the pantagon or whatever u are saying..
Thats why you continue these idiout ideads and come back week after week and annoy us with this garbage...
Why dont yoiu have the guts to just say it? you would get a lot more respect for just being honest nad skirting around the real issue with these pathetic argumets. Mind you I said some respect but not agreement. But its better than what you are getting now..
So once and for all:
Whitehawk, do you belive that the Bush family and the US goverment were consciously and deliberatly involved in planning, supporting, and/or carrying out the 911 attacks in league with Osama bin laden for the purpose of financial gain? Or do you belive the same groups above were involved in the 911 attack and framed osama bin laden or otherwise used him as a patsy to cover up their involvement?
Do you belive this?
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horn... think about what you are saying here.... the article pretty much debunks and deconstructs moores movie... the reason it does is because moore is playing a very decietful and shamless slight of hand game with the facts... that is, and allways has been his style...
Now.... you say (paraphrase) "well yeah... moore is a decietful a hole who pretty much missrepresented and took out of context on purpose everything in the movie but.... he makes a new movie on top of the movie that shows even more of his edited footage that proves his points"
I mean... the guy has proven that he uses film to decieve and now you take.... his new film to be true while admiting his old film was total BS?
how many times you gonna get triffled with by this manipulating buffoon before you yell "enough".
here is a hint... if it is a moore film clip... it is meant to decieve.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
All of you free to post links to it as further evidence of whitehaks condition... Then we will ask him to prove us all wrong!
:aok
It's true. I've seen it.
WhiteHawk is a looney (http://dogsnot.net/pics/WH.html)
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If you are gonna watch the propaganda ministers 9/11 movie you have to also watch a movie called Farinhype. Might have spelled it wrong. It sheds some light on that over stuffed windbags claims. Very,Very good.
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Originally posted by Steve
I find it nauseating to have ever been in the same squad w/ such a liberal whacko as that Dude guy. Ugh, AoM is forever tarnished.
lol Steve! Damn straight its tarnished! I cursed the day someone went behind my back and let a puppet into the muppets!!:lol :lol
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lol!
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Originally posted by lazs2
horn... think about what you are saying here.... the article pretty much debunks and deconstructs moores movie... the reason it does is because moore is playing a very decietful and shamless slight of hand game with the facts... that is, and allways has been his style...
Now.... you say (paraphrase) "well yeah... moore is a decietful a hole who pretty much missrepresented and took out of context on purpose everything in the movie but.... he makes a new movie on top of the movie that shows even more of his edited footage that proves his points"
I mean... the guy has proven that he uses film to decieve and now you take.... his new film to be true while admiting his old film was total BS?
how many times you gonna get triffled with by this manipulating buffoon before you yell "enough".
here is a hint... if it is a moore film clip... it is meant to decieve.
lazs
I'm confused. New film? Old film? Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. The extras are not like the movie. At all. They are stand alone pieces--one is the glad handing that went on when he previewed the movie in DC. One is Condi's testimony. One is a *long* interview with an imbedded jouranlist. Like that. No interpretation really, just the camera running.
And, again, the article you linked really doesn't debunk all that much. Especially the Saudi/Bush/Carlyle Group stuff which is flat incorrect for the most part--like when Bush (sr.) joined Carlyle--the article actually uses some obfuscation of its own--it says that when the 1.4 billion was gotten thru BDM Bush wasn't a member of the board--and they are right--but that does NOT mean that Bush sr wasn't representing carlyle already--he went overseas for them and also made a speech for them as well. At the very least.
Yeah, Moore left a lot of "impressions" that might lead one to make erroneous conclusions but if you let a movie dictate your beliefs then you are an idiot anyway. What the movie did was make me wonder--and then go search for the facts. I found the movie funny and sad--from the gung-ho Mom that lost her son to the deer-in-the-headlights look that Bush takes on when told of 9/11.
Some say he stayed not to "upset the children" (who didn't know what was going on anyway)--it looked to me like an indecisive man, in over his head, that didn't know when to go take care of business.
h
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horn... are not paying attention? Who, in your opinion, edited these film clips that are "extras" to the movie?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
horn... are not paying attention? Who, in your opinion, edited these film clips that are "extras" to the movie?
lazs
Who's not paying attention? Well I guess you either won't believe me or are deliberately misunderstanding--so...watch it yourself.
The clips are not like the movie, edited together and narrated--with the exception of the premier stuff they are pretty dry.
Not only that but your "debunking" article leaves much to be desired. Matter of fact, it sounds like an awful lot like a Michael Moore movie: shrill and hysterical.
h
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"What the movie did was make me wonder--and then go search for the facts."
Yep
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yes its farenhype..and yes lemmings ...we never landed on the moon...and Bushh is Satan
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
Love
BiGB
xoxo
MM is a tru lying maggot
NRA and I vote you potatos
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Originally posted by Martlet
It's true. I've seen it.
WhiteHawk is a looney (http://dogsnot.net/pics/WH.html)
I'm convinced....WH is a loon.
WH, there nevere was a mass conspiracy to take down WTC to make money. That's lunacy of the highest order.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
yes its farenhype..and yes lemmings ...
You know the whole thingy aboot lemmings jumping over a cliff is just folklore.
But their populations can explode by 100 or even 1,000 times their original size.
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Originally posted by Torque
You know the whole thingy aboot lemmings jumping over a cliff is just folklore.
But their populations can explode by 100 or even 1,000 times their original size.
Wildebeasts
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Ok horn... have it your way... moore could not possibly have chosen film clips that would be missleading. Sure.... he tried to fool you in the movie but the "clips" are different right? No no really... no honest no foolin this time.
If moore shows you any film or says anything is is meant to decieve you... simple enough?
lazs
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Crawdads do the lemming thing. I can remember several times in Lousyana when a road or highway would be shut down beause it was slick with cawdads moving 'en masse.
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I guess the reason oil prices are so low is to help Bush get re-elected.... Damn him.....
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok horn... have it your way... moore could not possibly have chosen film clips that would be missleading. Sure.... he tried to fool you in the movie but the "clips" are different right? No no really... no honest no foolin this time.
If moore shows you any film or says anything is is meant to decieve you... simple enough?
lazs
I'm bettin you haven't seen the extras and are talking out of your ass. Have you even seen the actual movie? When you see the extras, get back to me.
h
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In the film "michael moore hates America"
there is a scene that goes like this..
MEETING DAMON
Because it covers so much ground, it's difficult to sum up this movie in a few paragraphs. But easily the most powerful sequence is a visit with Peter Damon, a soldier who lost both arms in the Iraq war. In a transparent attempt to elicit pity, Moore in Fahrenheit 9/11 included footage (taken from an NBC News report about a new painkiller) of Damon in the hospital while he was recuperating from his grievous wounds.
In MMHA we see a recovered Damon at home with his family, enjoying life, proud of his service. Damon has no patience for those who feel sorry for him. The only anger he feels is at Moore for exploiting him.
Asked by Wilson what he would like to say to Moore, Damon addresses the camera: "I don't want any part of your propaganda. I don't agree with what you're doing."
At the movie's recent premiere at the American Film Renaissance in Dallas, Wilson said, the audience grew really quiet during this scene: "You could hear a pin drop." But that changed when Wilson asks Damon if Moore had the right to make his movie.
Despite his obvious distaste for Moore's film, Damon says without hesitation, "That's the reason we go off to fight — to defend his right to make a movie."
lazs
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horn... you are right... I have not seen the extras.
let me help you out here and give you a little advice..
if it is a film clip or anything that michell moore says then it is meant to decieve you.
have you seen any of his other films? I learned this basic truth after his "Roger and me" it appears that he is still fooling you.
lazs
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Originally posted by Martlet
It's true. I've seen it.
WhiteHawk is a looney (http://dogsnot.net/pics/WH.html)
hehe martlet.. Is that yer wife?
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(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/oct04/laura2100504.jpg)
which one are you??
LOL LOL LOL
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm gonna go make a wepage that says Whitehawk is a lunitic. All of you free to post links to it as further evidence of whitehaks condition... Then we will ask him to prove us all wrong!
I will also make a page that says he is gay, he will have to dispove that too.
Thanks Whitehawk! Your standrsds of argument are fantastic, I can make any claim against you, cite some kook lunatic sources as evidence, call it gospel and proudly lay the burden on yoiu to disprove my lunatic accusations!
Awesome!!!
:aok
Grun herz: take yer knuckles off the floor for a second.. Exactly what claim have I made? The bushs and the binladens association? That has been accepted here as fact.
BTW, i am not gay but Martlet has offered a wifey pic that you may be interested in.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
hehe martlet.. Is that yer wife?
You interested? I could probably get you his number.
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Oh yea Whitehawk I forgot, your type doesnt make "claims" you just post links to lunatic webisites that arguge what youre too chicken to say yourself. When called on it, on your lunacy that is, you just say "I didnt claim anything" and "I just feel the site is intersting - can you disprove it for me?" Of course you repeatedly find such sites, discussing the same soert of lunatic nonsense over and over. Your supid "disprove my lunatic website theory" game is pathetic....
And whitehawk have you disproven yet that your are a lunatic and a gay?
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Originally posted by lazs2
horn... you are right... I have not seen the extras.
let me help you out here and give you a little advice..
if it is a film clip or anything that michell moore says then it is meant to decieve you.
have you seen any of his other films? I learned this basic truth after his "Roger and me" it appears that he is still fooling you.
lazs
Thanks for the advice but I'm smart enough to separate the wheat from the chaff and come to my own conclusions. Anyone deceived or fooled by the movie deserves what he gets.
I think that was one of Moore's points too: The movie should make you ask questions, look for answers on your own and see the truth of a thing rather than just be spoon-fed your views by the media.
The Condi piece was nothing more than a network feed while she answered questions. It was put in there to reinforce his point about what the Prez knew and when he knew it. It was pretty obvious--but once again I ask--Have you even seen the movie?
I saw Roger and Me (pets or meat!) but not Columbine; however, I did follow my NRA mags when the collective heads of the NRA leadership exploded after the movie was released. Much hilarity.
h
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Originally posted by lazs2
horn... you are right... I have not seen the extras.
let me help you out here and give you a little advice..
if it is a film clip or anything that michell moore says then it is meant to decieve you.
have you seen any of his other films? I learned this basic truth after his "Roger and me" it appears that he is still fooling you.
lazs
Moores film was very sarcastic and anti-bush. There is no doubt about it. If what he is saying is true, then he has every right to be anti bush. Lazs, you claim he is trying to decieve us.
Can u be specific? Try not to post links to phone book critiques on moores movies, post the statement, then claim it is a lie. Dont even bother to source or document it, cause grunherz will start to slobber again.
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Whitehawk considers the crap he posts as documented and sourced???
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Moores film was very sarcastic and anti-bush. There is no doubt about it. If what he is saying is true, then he has every right to be anti bush. Lazs, you claim he is trying to decieve us.
Can u be specific? Try not to post links to phone book critiques on moores movies, post the statement, then claim it is a lie. Dont even bother to source or document it, cause grunherz will start to slobber again.
Click on the link Laz posted above. It says it "refutes" many parts of the movie but I would take it with a grain (or pound) of salt.
h
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Unreal:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh yea Whitehawk I forgot, your type doesnt make "claims" you just post links to lunatic webisites that arguge what youre too chicken to say yourself. When called on it, on your lunacy that is, you just say "I didnt claim anything" and "I just feel the site is intersting - can you disprove it for me?" Of course you repeatedly find such sites, discussing the same soert of lunatic nonsense over and over. Your supid "disprove my lunatic website theory" game is pathetic....
And whitehawk have you disproven yet that your are a lunatic and a gay?
Be specific grunherz. What claim didnt I make? :eek:
Your right, at the top of the thread I asked for information regarding the bush bin laden/saudi relationship. I really did believe that this relationship existed, but i didnt come out and state it outright, before giving the crowd a chance to shoot down the accusation. The acusation stands and has been accepted as fact in this thread. Because, a) nobody has denied it and b) there is a preponderance of evidence to confirm it.
Then, Maybe you confuse an opinion and a question with a claim, I ask that given there is a bin laden bush family connection I find it suspicious that, or let me soften it for you, coincedental that another bin laden is attacking the US with Bush Jr at the helm. Thats just me tho. I know that bin laden has 17 brothers (ive seen estimates at 60) , and given that there are 5 billion people on the earth, I realize that this would be front line believe it or not stuff. Ive also read, but am to chicken to state, that bush sr and s bin laden were meeting at the rizt carlton hotel in DC during the attacks. Of course, I cannot prove this and
have no credible documetntation to support it, so I didnt dare bring it up, but since you insist, there it is.
Then, now that I am just curious at this point, Moores movie happens to suggest that bin laden and the bushs hold big interest in some companies that stand to profit from the wars that follow, so i start to dig around and sure enuff, here is the carlyle group.
How much is bin laden making off of this war? Nothing. He was bought out shortly AFTER the attacks and BEFORE he profitted.
Now I ask myself, and feel free to answer yourself, why would the bin ladens sell out thier stake in carlyle, right before the big cash in? Well, at best, it looks bad, and at worst, it is bad. I tend to error on the side of caution when it comes to the bin laden tribe. I only really know one of them and he was no good.
But feel free to come to your own opinion grunherz, you dont have to believe what anybody says or writes or feels.
Thats what free speech is all about. Your name calling and references are only designed to intimidate and eventually halt, my speaking freely. Its makes it easy to understand your trust of the bin ladens.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Be specific grunherz. What claim didnt I make? :eek:
Your right, at the top of the thread I asked for information regarding the bush bin laden/saudi relationship. I really did believe that this relationship existed, but i didnt come out and state it outright, before giving the crowd a chance to shoot down the accusation. The acusation stands and has been accepted as fact in this thread. Because, a) nobody has denied it and b) there is a preponderance of evidence to confirm it.
Then, Maybe you confuse an opinion and a question with a claim, I ask that given there is a bin laden bush family connection I find it suspicious that, or let me soften it for you, coincedental that another bin laden is attacking the US with Bush Jr at the helm. Thats just me tho. I know that bin laden has 17 brothers (ive seen estimates at 60) , and given that there are 5 billion people on the earth, I realize that this would be front line believe it or not stuff. Ive also read, but am to chicken to state, that bush sr and s bin laden were meeting at the rizt carlton hotel in DC during the attacks. Of course, I cannot prove this and
have no credible documetntation to support it, so I didnt dare bring it up, but since you insist, there it is.
Then, now that I am just curious at this point, Moores movie happens to suggest that bin laden and the bushs hold big interest in some companies that stand to profit from the wars that follow, so i start to dig around and sure enuff, here is the carlyle group.
How much is bin laden making off of this war? Nothing. He was bought out shortly AFTER the attacks and BEFORE he profitted.
Now I ask myself, and feel free to answer yourself, why would the bin ladens sell out thier stake in carlyle, right before the big cash in? Well, at best, it looks bad, and at worst, it is bad. I tend to error on the side of caution when it comes to the bin laden tribe. I only really know one of them and he was no good.
But feel free to come to your own opinion grunherz, you dont have to believe what anybody says or writes or feels.
Thats what free speech is all about. Your name calling and references are only designed to intimidate and eventually halt, my speaking freely. Its makes it easy to understand your trust of the bin ladens.
you're a looney. An internet web page (http://dogsnot.net/pics/WH.html) proves it. They have the documentation.
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the peanut butter is in the kitchen and the lawn mover is out of orange juice.
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Whitehawk's world:
Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Exactly what claim have I made?
Followed by...
Originally posted by WhiteHawk
What claim didnt I make? :eek:
:eek: is right!
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Now I ask myself, and feel free to answer yourself, why would the bin ladens sell out thier stake in carlyle, right before the big cash in? Well, at best, it looks bad, and at worst, it is bad.
The answer is what you might think. Those in the Carlyle Group were disturbed about the bin Laden--> Osama link after 9/11 and decided to buy out the bin Laden family's stake in Carlyle. They did it in a hurry, too. No one wanted that kind of publicity.
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some ppl here make it easy for me to understand why the handsomehunkcrat party thrives in this day and age
is the stupidity from youth or are you medicated, legally or illegally....
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Clinton allowed the WTC to be attacked.
They attacked it before, when Clinton was if office and did NOTHING to stop it.
Clinton = Hitler/Satan love child
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I thought it was one of the most forgetable movies of the year and demanded my girlfriend give me my money back for wasting it on one mans rant.
Being dragged to see "Under The Tuscan Sun" was bad enough but atleast it had some good scenery.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Martlet
you're a looney. An internet web page (http://dogsnot.net/pics/WH.html) proves it. They have the documentation.
Martlet..Your debating skills, although weak, still overmatch Bushs. hey, Martlet, I can prove that isnt me. Can you prove it isnt you? Where did you get it?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Martlet..Your debating skills, although weak, still overmatch Bushs. hey, Martlet, I can prove that isnt me. Can you prove it isnt you? Where did you get it?
You know that is you. Here's my documentation:
First, the intardnet says it's you, so it must be true.
Second, you're very concerned about where I got that picture, so it must be you.
Third, you are wearing diapers in the picture. Diapers has an "i" and an "a" in it. "WhiteHawk" also has an "i" and an "a" in it.
Fourth, you haven't proven to me that ISN'T you.
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Originally posted by Martlet
You know that is you. Here's my documentation:
First, the intardnet says it's you, so it must be true.
Second, you're very concerned about where I got that picture, so it must be you.
Third, you are wearing diapers in the picture. Diapers has an "i" and an "a" in it. "WhiteHawk" also has an "i" and an "a" in it.
Fourth, you haven't proven to me that ISN'T you.
I deny it. Its a matter of public record. Feel free to research. I have nothing to hide.
Anyway, I guess since that is the best argument you can make for your side, I will throw this one up.
Whitehawk, your assumption that bush bin laden business connection and bush bin laden 911 connection are suspicious and statistacally impossible is flawed in one important way.
osama bin laden has come to hate the united states and what they stand for. Big business. Big Bucks. Osama bin laden resents his families connections with the big corporations and particulary his relationship with bush sr, which, during his presidency , has contributed to the degradation of muslims society around the world. He (Bush) supports Isreal and the corrupt regime of saudi arabia. The attacks of 911 were a not random accident of 2 families, but were caused by the hate of 1 man for the 2 families business and political intrusions on the religious beliefs and moral values of islam. Osama bin laden was striking a blow for islam. Osama bin laden was also striking a blow against his own family which, he believes, is guilty of high treason.
The attacks were a stunning success, as his family pulled out of their partnership with the muslim devil (bush sr).
of course, in order to source or document this opinion, I would have to have OBL's written confession, which I dont have, nor could I be expected to have.
Hows that martlet. Its the best i can do raise a reasonable doubt that the bush binladen connection was not a random statistical anamoly. Does it work for you?
I had this argument in my pocket before I started the thread. Just was hoping for a bit of random confirmation from a completely unconnected source. Instead, we get a glimpse of what you do on friday nights.:rofl
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I deny it. Its a matter of public record. Feel free to research. I have nothing to hide.
Where's your proof? That site provides documentation that it's you. You don't have any facts to back up your claims that it isn't?
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lol Martlet, I just went back and saw your link with that pic and the little note at the bottom. :rofl
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Martlet, put the flag down and back away slowly. take a deep breath. Put your real clothes back on, comb your hair, and have a nice weekend.:)
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Originally posted by NUKE
lol Martlet, I just went back and saw your link with that pic and the little note at the bottom. :rofl
:D :D :D
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horn.. I saw columbine and I am in the NRA and have been for decades. the movie attacked the NRA and it's then president in very unfair and missleading ways (getting a pattern here?) and with outright lies as to when events took place. The NRA did not "explode" as you say. In fact... They gleefully deconstructed moores lies as I recall. Basicly... they wrote it off as just more left wing "anything you say is ok if the cause is right" bull.
As for the sight... Hve you read what is said? A little of it is open to interpretation such as what moore was thinking when he did certain things but... most of it is documented proof of the missleading and decietful nature of the movie.
I really hope that "michale moore hates America" is a success so that we can see if you claim that it is simply a movie meant to make you think.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
horn.. I saw columbine and I am in the NRA and have been for decades. the movie attacked the NRA and it's then president in very unfair and missleading ways (getting a pattern here?) and with outright lies as to when events took place. The NRA did not "explode" as you say. In fact... They gleefully deconstructed moores lies as I recall. Basicly... they wrote it off as just more left wing "anything you say is ok if the cause is right" bull.
As for the sight... Hve you read what is said? A little of it is open to interpretation such as what moore was thinking when he did certain things but... most of it is documented proof of the missleading and decietful nature of the movie.
I really hope that "michale moore hates America" is a success so that we can see if you claim that it is simply a movie meant to make you think.
lazs
Oh, so you haven't actually seen the movie then. Interesting that you would allow your own thoughts to be dictated by someone else who didn't like the movie. Doesn't sound like you. I'm disappointed.
I read the site and as I said before, some of it is flat out wrong. Additionally, it assumes knowledge of Moore's state of mind and what he really "meant"--pretty bogus. Some of the site is true tho--like I said, I know little of what happened during the election mess and Moore's depiction of Carlyle was incorrect.
I didn't get the impression Moore hated America at all from the movie however--he was just blowing the whistle on the idiocy foisted on us by our current administration.
I also am a lifetime NRA member--and yeah, the rhetoric in the mags was pretty funny--those upper NRA guys take this stuff way too seriously--as if because of one movie our gun rights would be taken away! It was fuggin hystrical.
I'll be interested to see the hates America movie. Hopefully they will put a story together better than those lame SBVFT guys.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlyle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also.
Hehe that's pretty funny--Moore in with the Carlyle Group. That'll happen.
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my hero - LOL
(http://www.fritzliess.com/movabletype/archives/images/moore_dude_book.jpg)
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Originally posted by Horn
Hehe that's pretty funny--Moore in with the Carlyle Group. That'll happen.
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Um, it has.
Keep drinking the kool aid.
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No, I have not seen the movie MMhates America yet. It is not showing around here.
But... let's look at the site you claim is mostly what MM felt and doesn't really prove his intent to decieve...
Starting from the beggining would you say that MM meant in 9/11 to say that Bush stole the election and that susequent studies proved that gore had actually won the election in Florida? That is the opening of moores film. How can it get any worse from there?
lazs
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Originally posted by Martlet
Um, it has.
Keep drinking the kool aid.
Yeah right. Michael Moore has nothing whatsoever to do with Carlyle Group. I mean, other than provide amusement for the members. I've asked.
Keep up the conspiracy theories tho--you're pretty funny. Dumb, but funny.
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Originally posted by lazs2
No, I have not seen the movie MMhates America yet. It is not showing around here.
But... let's look at the site you claim is mostly what MM felt and doesn't really prove his intent to decieve...
Starting from the beggining would you say that MM meant in 9/11 to say that Bush stole the election and that susequent studies proved that gore had actually won the election in Florida? That is the opening of moores film. How can it get any worse from there?
lazs
No, I'm asking if you've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet. Your evasion leads me to believe you haven't. I hope you will prove me wrong--I didn't think you were a lemming.
Ok, to start from the beginning--for the third time, I don't know about the election. That the Supremes called it was good enough for me. I voted for Bush.
I found Moore's version of the election entertaining, not sinister. Why? Because it really doesn't matter. Water under the bridge, over the dam, whatever. History. As it worked out, I'd rather Bush than Gore.
This election, however, I will be voting Kerry. If one of my employees had screwed up as bad as Bush he would be terminated. Bush has proved his incompetence in many ways and I sure as hell don't need a movie to tell me this.
I've already pointed out inaccuracies in both the film and your site. The point is, if you are a thinking person you will search out the facts for yourself.
I took Moore's movie for what it was, entertainment--it had a couple of things that made me go "hmmm" so I went and found out the truth of the matter--so in this case I think Moore's movie was very successful.
It entertained me and made me think. Traits of a good picture.
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I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.
The movie starts out with a huge lie.
You are right. I have not seen it. I have only seen the trailers and clips from it and quotes from both sides. It seems like every other moore movie but perhaps more focused on hate for one man this time.
Why would I give the man money when he can't even get 10 minutes into the film without distorting the truth in the most bizzare way?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.
The movie starts out with a huge lie.
You are right. I have not seen it. I have only seen the trailers and clips from it and quotes from both sides. It seems like every other moore movie but perhaps more focused on hate for one man this time.
Why would I give the man money when he can't even get 10 minutes into the film without distorting the truth in the most bizzare way?
lazs
Here's one of the most telling statements from your website:
"Moore’s editing technique of the election night segment is typical of his style: all the video clips are real clips, and nothing he says is, formally speaking, false."
You call it a lie but your source doesn't.
If you haven't seen the movie you have nothing to contribute here but others' opinions.
I gave "the man money" (well, $2.35) because I expected to be entertained and I was. Pity you let yourself be led like this.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.
Oh and btw, he didn't actually say that at all. He showed what he considered "proof" and left you to make your own conclusions. But of course, if you'd seen the movie, you'd know that.
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Originally posted by Horn
Oh and btw, he didn't actually say that at all. He showed what he considered "proof" and left you to make your own conclusions. But of course, if you'd seen the movie, you'd know that.
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BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.
In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.
The way he handled thje post 911 saudi flights is clear evidence of that...
He takes maybe 5 minutes telling us that almost everything was grounded in the days after 911, that even the former president bush couldnt fly, that even famous singers couldnt fly, and then asks us who would want to fly in those days after 911. Nobody! Except of course the Bin Ladens. They could fly.. Then he mentions how on september 13 some 21 flights or whatever were loaded with saudis and flown out of the country.
Whats the problem with that? Well on september 13 the groundings were lifted, most people copuld fly. Why diodnt Moore take as much time explaing that inconvenient fact as he did setting up the fallacious image that somehow these saudi flights were during the grounding period..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.
Not unlike Geoge Blush himself :aok
Top ten reasons why i.....
blah...
ahh...
nevermind..
who cares anyway, I get to sleep in tomorrow cause the gf is taking Mia cause i won the bet!. I can sleep until noon and then ill get breakfast in bed :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Horn
Yeah right. Michael Moore has nothing whatsoever to do with Carlyle Group. I mean, other than provide amusement for the members. I've asked.
Keep up the conspiracy theories tho--you're pretty funny. Dumb, but funny.
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Are you kidding me?
Closing your eyes to it doesn't make it go away. Maybe you should look a little closer.
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Columbine and Fahrenheit have a lot in common. Both are propaganda films but with an underlying point of interest in if you are willing to ignore the waffle. Those points are, IMO:
Columbine: How can other countries have such a much higher gun/capita ratio but still remain relatively gun-crime free compared to the USA?
Fahrenheit: Why do Americans not really pay much attention to the rather embarrassing relationship its leadership has with the Saudis?
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Originally posted by Martlet
Are you kidding me?
Closing your eyes to it doesn't make it go away. Maybe you should look a little closer.
Lol. Prove it, dweeb.
You've got nothing, but idiocy is entertaining sometimes. Go for it, youngster.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.
In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.
The way he handled thje post 911 saudi flights is clear evidence of that...
He takes maybe 5 minutes telling us that almost everything was grounded in the days after 911, that even the former president bush couldnt fly, that even famous singers couldnt fly, and then asks us who would want to fly in those days after 911. Nobody! Except of course the Bin Ladens. They could fly.. Then he mentions how on september 13 some 21 flights or whatever were loaded with saudis and flown out of the country.
Whats the problem with that? Well on september 13 the groundings were lifted, most people copuld fly. Why diodnt Moore take as much time explaing that inconvenient fact as he did setting up the fallacious image that somehow these saudi flights were during the grounding period..
Wow. You are amazing. You figured all this out by yourself? WTG Capt. Obvious! You really nailed him!
I am referring to the election coverage in answer to Lazs you congenital idiot. Please try to keep up.
I'm sure you are ready and willing to foam at the mouth to defend your God and Savior (Bush) but this isn't the time, OK?
If you aren't able to understand, it's probably best you kinda sit on the sidelines until the rabies wear off.
Thanks.
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(unless you are Martlet--he is pretty funny in a "hurrr, hurr" kinda way and is welcome to post stuff he is clueless about))
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Originally posted by Horn
Lol. Prove it, dweeb.
You've got nothing, but idiocy is entertaining sometimes. Go for it, youngster.
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The only thing funnier than an idiot is an idiot who makes a fool out of himself by being exceedingly insulting when he's dead wrong.
Take a look at who own's the the company cashing out moore for his box office sales, moron.
Wait, what company again? Oh yeah. Carlyle group (http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/06/1686771.php)
Now that you've been sufficiently schooled, I'll leave you to your babbling moonbat excuses and ill conceived arguments twisting the facts in a vain attempt to prove me wrong.
Have fun, old man.
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Originally posted by Martlet
The only thing funnier than an idiot is an idiot who makes a fool out of himself by being exceedingly insulting when he's dead wrong.
Take a look at who own's the the company cashing out moore for his box office sales, moron.
Wait, what company again? Oh yeah. Carlyle group (http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/06/1686771.php)
Now that you've been sufficiently schooled, I'll leave you to your babbling moonbat excuses and ill conceived arguments twisting the facts in a vain attempt to prove me wrong.
Have fun, old man.
That's pretty funny, squeak toy! Did you have to look hard for that?
I asked you for proof, moron. You didn't provide it-- remember in the last post that you ignored? I said *I asked*--did you think I was kidding?
OK, internet tough guy, bring it on.
You'd be amazed at the folks who play this game and you are way over your little idiot neocon head.
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Originally posted by Horn
That's pretty funny, squeak toy! Did you have to look hard for that?
I asked you for proof, moron. You didn't provide it-- remember in the last post that you ignored? I said *I asked*--did you think I was kidding?
OK, internet tough guy, bring it on.
You'd be amazed at the folks who play this game and you are way over your little idiot neocon head.
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were TOO STUPID TO READ.
Game? What game? You think not being able to read is a game?
You can ignore the facts but it doesn't change them. Put your head back in the sand, gramps, until your grand kids come home and can read the link for you.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.
In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.
Pretty much the same conclusion I came to as well.
My god grun, we are starting to agree on a few things these days. Starting to freak me out! :eek: :)
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Martlet
I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were TOO STUPID TO READ.
Game? What game? You think not being able to read is a game?
You can ignore the facts but it doesn't change them. Put your head back in the sand, gramps, until your grand kids come home and can read the link for you.
Thought so. No answer.
h
(appreciate the entertainment tho)
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Originally posted by Horn
Thought so. No answer.
h
(appreciate the entertainment tho)
Thought so. You still can't read the link.
It's ok. Don't the teens volunteer at the home on Sundays? They'll explain it to you tomorrow.
Until then, keep those depends clean.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.
Did you see the movie Grun?
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Why does a military weapons contractor feel the need to aquire the third largest global theater chain?
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Originally posted by Torque
Why does a military weapons contractor feel the need to aquire the third largest global theater chain?
Profit? Why does one of the largest tobacco companies own assets in cookies?
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Originally posted by Martlet
Thought so. You still can't read the link.
It's ok. Don't the teens volunteer at the home on Sundays? They'll explain it to you tomorrow.
Until then, keep those depends clean.
Unfortunately your tiny intellect has no idea how Carlyle works. Here is a clue:
It is an investment company. An investment is called a fund. To get into the Group, one must invest a minimum of $10 million.
When you invest, you have no control as to how your money is used (tho you may pick from categories, ie, real estate, defense, oil, etc.)
Get it yet, teensy mind? YOU HAVE NO CONTROL.
Here's an example even you might comprehend tho I have little hope: the bin Laden family was invested in a fund. When 9/11 happened the Carlyle Group did not want to have anything to do with the family for obvious reasons (which I will explain to you if you still don't get it). The Carlyle Group refunded the fund to the bin Laden family in it's entirety.
Michael Moore is not a fund investor in Carlyle Group. You idiot.
You would not believe the amusement that Carlucci and gang got out of even the suggestion that Moore was an investor.
Thanks tho.
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Originally posted by Horn
Unfortunately your tiny intellect has no idea how Carlyle works. Here is a clue:
It is an investment company. An investment is called a fund. To get into the Group, one must invest a minimum of $10 million.
When you invest, you have no control as to how your money is used (tho you may pick from categories, ie, real estate, defense, oil, etc.)
Get it yet, teensy mind? YOU HAVE NO CONTROL.
Here's an example even you might comprehend tho I have little hope: the bin Laden family was invested in a fund. When 9/11 happened the Carlyle Group did not want to have anything to do with the family for obvious reasons (which I will explain to you if you still don't get it). The Carlyle Group refunded the fund to the bin Laden family in it's entirety.
Michael Moore is not a fund investor in Carlyle Group. You idiot.
You would not believe the amusement that Carlucci and gang got out of even the suggestion that Moore was an investor.
Thanks tho.
h
Ahhh, back to our starting point. What was it again? Oh yeah. You not being able to read.
Now that I've proven you completely wrong and you counter with an irrelevant point, I'll run with it just because I enjoy watching you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
So, could you point out to me were I said Fatty was a fund investor in Carlyle? Idiot. Not you, either. The other fatty.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, back to our starting point. What was it again? Oh yeah. You not being able to read.
Now that I've proven you completely wrong and you counter with an irrelevant point, I'll run with it just because I enjoy watching you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
So, could you point out to me were I said Fatty was a fund investor in Carlyle? Idiot. Not you, either. The other fatty.
Your initial spewage: "Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also."
I deal with special needs children a bunch so one more doesn't bug me.
Michael Moore is not in business with the Carlyle Group in any way, shape, or form. Period.
Hopefully someone is taking care of your immediate needs.
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Originally posted by Horn
"Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also."
I deal with special needs children a bunch so one more doesn't bug me.
Michael Moore is not in business with the Carlyle Group in any way, shape, or form. Period.
Hopefully someone is taking care of your immediate needs.
h
We just can't seem to get past square one with you. It's ok. I'm patient.
Let's try this again.
Could you point out where I said Fatty ( not you, the other fatty) was a fund investor with Carlyle Group?
Take your time. Wait until your "special needs children" get home to help you.
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Hmmm - do really think he is special needs and hope someone is caring for him, or perhaps only liberals can joke about such things. I mean if a Republican used the "special needs" as a jab, they'd be cold and heartless. This hypocrisy is wearing a bit thin.
Edit: You know - screw the nice stuff. I also worked for a school for special needs children. I find your shot gross. What child wants there "special needs" attended to. And you joke about it for a put down. You insensitivity is showing.
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Originally posted by Martlet
We just can't seem to get past square one with you. It's ok. I'm patient.
Let's try this again.
Could you point out where I said Fatty ( not you, the other fatty) was a fund investor with Carlyle Group?
Take your time. Wait until your "special needs children" get home to help you.
Your initial spewage: "Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also."
Prove this. Go ahead.
A movie theater purchase doesn't exactly cut it now does it? I mean, it doesn't exactly fit your great conspiracy theory now does it? That Michael Moore "is in business" with Carlyle?
You did however give folks amusement.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Horn
Your initial spewage: "Did you know Moore is in business with the Carlysle group? That isn't in his movie. He also doesn't mention that he's one of the top benefactors of 9-11 also."
Prove this. Go ahead.
A movie theater purchase doesn't exactly cut it now does it? I mean, it doesn't exactly fit your great conspiracy theory now does it? That Michael Moore "is in business" with Carlyle?
You did however give folks amusement.
Thanks.
Let's try again. You're a little slower than I thought. Don't feel rushed to answer. Wait for the teens to help you out a bit.
Could you point out to me where I said Fatty (not you, the other fatty) was a funds investor in Carlyle Group?
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Hmmm - do really think he is special needs and hope someone is caring for him, or perhaps only liberals can joke about such things. I mean if a Republican used the "special needs" as a jab, they'd be cold and heartless. This hypocrisy is wearing a bit thin.
Edit: You know - screw the nice stuff. I also worked for a school for special needs children. I find your crack gross.
I'm Sorry.
If a liberal was joking about it perhaps I could take offense too.
But I'm republican so I guess I'm immune?
Sorry I'm not PC enough for your sensitive bellybutton but hey, I'll call a retard a retard. And Martlet is just that. He just happens to be able to just barely parrot the neocon line.
You don't like it, get the hell out of the thread.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Let's try again. You're a little slower than I thought. Don't feel rushed to answer. Wait for the teens to help you out a bit.
Could you point out to me where I said Fatty (not you, the other fatty) was a funds investor in Carlyle Group?
Nice try.
"I didn't mean it! Really I didn't!"
Thanks for the amusement on a slow Saturday night.
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If you call a retard in front of me I'll punch your frigging lights out plain and simple. And if you think I'm joking, ask Dniff about me getting eyebrow to eyebrow with a drunk cop in Michelle's for poking fun at metaly handicapped girl.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
If you call a retard in front of me I'll punch your frigging lights out plain and simple. And if you think I'm joking, ask Dniff about me getting eyebrow to eyebrow with a drunk cop in Michelle's for poking fun at metaly handicapped girl.
You certainly made your point.
You don't like it when people call other people retards. Got it.
Now go away.
Unless you too think Moore was in business with Carlyle?
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Originally posted by Horn
Nice try.
"I didn't mean it! Really I didn't!"
Thanks for the amusement on a slow Saturday night.
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You didn't mean it? Well why didn't you say so to begin with.
Your kids must have come home early to help you out. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but hey, being wrong isn't that bad. At your age, I'd think you'd be used to it by now.
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Originally posted by Martlet
You didn't mean it? Well why didn't you say so to begin with.
Your kids must have come home early to help you out. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but hey, being wrong isn't that bad. At your age, I'd think you'd be used to it by now.
Hehe thought so.
Set. Match.
Thanks for playing.
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I'll go away after I cover your convenient outrage of other snide remarks dealing with religious slurs. APPARENTLY, you feel others must only be considerate to YOU. Obviously, racism is wrong but stereotyping people with physical and mental disabilities is right??? Now we have a big problem .
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Originally posted by Horn
Hehe thought so.
Set. Match.
Thanks for playing.
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Ahhh, the classic old guy bail out.
Deny the evidence. Make false accusations. Ignore requests for proof. Declare victory and run.
Look on the bright side. Your getting to the end.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, the classic old guy bail out.
Deny the evidence. Make false accusations. Ignore requests for proof. Declare victory and run.
Look on the bright side. Your getting to the end.
Ironic that a thread about Moore's movie should end in a comment that would fit Bush himself. :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Ironic that a thread about Moore's movie should end in a comment that would fit Bush himself. :lol
...-Gixer
Or Kerry. Or any other politician.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Or Kerry. Or any other politician.
Very True!
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I'll go away after I cover your convenient outrage of other snide remarks dealing with religious slurs. APPARENTLY, you feel others must only be considerate to YOU. Obviously, racism is wrong but stereotyping people with physical and mental disabilities is right??? Now we have a big problem .
?? Wow, we need another thread!
Religious slurs? I thought this thread was calling (yet again) an idiot like Martlet an idiot? Did I miss something?
I must admit this was pretty much a business thread (even for Martlet)--where did I miss the religious slurs--I mean, I'd have used them if appropriate but we never got that far....
Stereotyping mental and physical disabilites is right?
Please, do go on. I eagerly await the digression!
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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, the classic old guy bail out.
Deny the evidence. Make false accusations. Ignore requests for proof. Declare victory and run.
Look on the bright side. Your getting to the end.
Evidence? Of what?
You stated that Moore was in business with Carlyle. I say you are FOS. You proved none of it other than a "movie theater purchase"--really please do go on. I look forward to it.
Really. This thread is better than Jaeger. You have subscribers that are amused with you.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Look on the bright side. Your getting to the end.
Yeah, the light at the end of the tunnel, for some it's an oncoming train.
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Originally posted by Horn
Evidence? Of what?
You stated that Moore was in business with Carlyle. I say you are FOS. You proved none of it other than a "movie theater purchase"--really please do go on. I look forward to it.
Really. This thread is better than Jaeger. You have subscribers that are amused with you.
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You're dafter than I thought.
Who owns the theaters? Where did the movie play? Who collected the box receipts? Who paid Moore his share?
I realize old age shortens your memory, but I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said fatty (not you, the other fatty) was a funds investor in Carlyle.
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Originally posted by Torque
Yeah, the light at the end of the tunnel, for some it's an oncoming train.
Pardon me, but I giggled at that. :D
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Originally posted by Martlet
You're dafter than I thought.
Who owns the theaters? Where did the movie play? Who collected the box receipts? Who paid Moore his share?
I realize old age shortens your memory, but I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said fatty (not you, the other fatty) was a funds investor in Carlyle.
I see. Your extrapolation is that because 1) Carlyle may own some theaters that Fahrenheit 9/11 played in that Moore is therefore in business with Carlyle and 2) that he also made profits from the actual 9/11 event itself because he made a movie that referenced the crashes into the WTC.
Of course, that would be the same as SH owning one share of Microsoft and therefore a fundmentalist Muslim government would be responsible for creating Windows.
gotcha.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
I recommend a tin foil hat in your daily commute because you never know when the alien brain control waves will hit.
You'll never see the black helicopters either. Or so I've heard.
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Originally posted by Horn
I see. Your extrapolation is that because 1) Carlyle may own some theaters that Fahrenheit 9/11 played in that Moore is therefore in business with Carlyle and 2) that he also made profits from the actual 9/11 event itself because he made a movie that referenced the crashes into the WTC.
Of course, that would be the same as SH owning one share of Microsoft and therefore a fundmentalist Muslim government would be responsible for creating Windows.
gotcha.
Bwahahahahahahaha.
I recommend a tin foil hat in your daily commute because you never know when the alien brain control waves will hit.
You'll never see the black helicopters either. Or so I've heard.
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All that whining, crying, and dodging and your only rebuttal is Bwahahahahaha?
Surely you can lose with a little more dignity than that.
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I thought i was wrong once, but you know what, i was wrong.
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I'm out, Horn. I don't like the word , "retard" and I get irrationaly angry at its use. But thats my problem. I'm done.
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Originally posted by Martlet
All that whining, crying, and dodging and your only rebuttal is Bwahahahahaha?
Surely you can lose with a little more dignity than that.
No, I recommended a tin foil hat. Of course yours would be 5 1/4 so you'd prolly hafta special order. Best of luck.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I'm out, Horn. I don't like the word , "retard" and I get irrationaly angry at its use. But thats my problem. I'm done.
rgr fair 'nuff.
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Originally posted by Horn
No, I recommended a tin foil hat. Of course yours would be 5 1/4 so you'd prolly hafta special order. Best of luck.
Is that what your caretakers do for you? Slap on a tinfoil hat?
It obviously hasn't helped. Here, lets hold this place. When the teens come in tomorrow maybe they can help you save a little face. I'm sure they can at least come up with a better retort than "bwahahahaha".
Why do old guys get so grumpy when you prove them wrong?
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ok horn... "lie" was too strong... He calls the film a documentary. You are being extremeley dishonest if you can tell me that moore did not do everything possible to show the false impression that gore had actually won the election even tho, at this point he knew that they exact oppossite was true.
your defending him makes you look worse... admit that he intentionaly did everything in his power to misslead the audience into thingking the complete opposite of what happened really occured.
And this was minutes into the movie. once you admit that then we can go on.
I will give you that you went to be entertained... I contend that you were entertained because he was satarizing someon that you dislike intensly. I have no strong feelings for Bush but I don't want to be manipulated for hours by some hate monger.
I think you gloss over the obvious lies (he climed no one could fly when that was not true)and missreprentations because the hate in the movie is your hate too and.... well.... any lie is ok if the cause is just right?
lazs
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Where has whitehawk gone? Of to study the theory that the holocaust didnt really happen and was just a zionist hoax?
:D
dago