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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on October 08, 2004, 10:50:02 AM
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Bout 11 pages worth.
Enjoy. (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=278869&page=1)
Some are rather graphic in the middle - only a few though.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/040506-F-7823A-001.jpg)
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
(http://0whome0.homestead.com/files/030409_war_10.jpeg)
(http://img35.exs.cx/img35/9892/newcowboy.jpg)
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Oddball made it to Iraq ? man, talk about negative waves ! woof ! ;)
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What a charcater! :)
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That F-15 pic is pretty cool. Nice pics.
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IT IS ODDBALL :D best picture I have seen for ages :)
That dude still rocks hehe.
Edit : forgot there is a lot of youngsters here but watch the movie "Kelly's heros" and you soon understand the fun :)
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Checked it out - very good thread. I dunno about u, but I wouldn't wanna come across this crazy Brit.
Wolf
(http://www.laniebaby.com/temp/owned_british.jpg)
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Whats the deal with the SF guys growing beards anyway? Is it like some sort of hockey playoff thing? The longer it is the longer youve been there - that sort of thing?
PS: I dont see him consuming wine OR cheese so it cant be Oddball...
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I think they are trying to blend in with the locals. There are some photos with these SF guys in convicing afghan costume...
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Too much death and destruction for me.
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Is that supposed to make us feel like lesser humans or did you just feel compelled to share your feelings?
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I think the SF guys were told to smarten up since many of those pics were taken. They look less like locals more a bunch of pirates. Not good for 'hearts and minds' :lol
Did anyone else notice the pics of a Swedish Gripen and German GSG9 on the linked thread. Off topic or what???????
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Hehe, awesome!
(http://www.a-10.org/images/ptsf-004F.JPG)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Whats the deal with the SF guys growing beards anyway? Is it like some sort of hockey playoff thing? The longer it is the longer youve been there - that sort of thing?
PS: I dont see him consuming wine OR cheese so it cant be Oddball...
it does have alot to do with local culture. These guys deal with the cheiftons and the religious elders. They are trusted more if they dont look like clean shaven yankee americans.
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Great Pics!!! Nice A10 shot. I can't believe they are discontinuing them. Big Bummer.
My hat is off to all these guys serving.
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I think I'm in love
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/MiniGun.jpg)
:rolleyes:
Gotta love the Jarheads....GETSOME
(http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0008/wildfire.gallery.02/marines.ap.jpg)
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Is that supposed to make us feel like lesser humans or did you just feel compelled to share your feelings?
Spoken like a true gentlemen from the slums of Phili.
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I dunno ... but that Minigun hasn't been used at all ...
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Whats the deal with the SF guys growing beards anyway? Is it like some sort of hockey playoff thing? The longer it is the longer youve been there - that sort of thing?
PS: I dont see him consuming wine OR cheese so it cant be Oddball...
if you dont have the face hair in afghanistan bad for two reasons. one is everyone who is "real adult man" has it. hard for some locals to take you seriously if you dont have it. makes things go smoother on the "talking man to man" deal. other and most important reason is you stick out like a sore thumb at a couple hundred meters as a "westerner" if you dont have it. makes it easier to id you as a "pot shot" target or id you period. i always trimmed the beard a little and kept the fumanchu as crazy looking as possible. :)
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i know more than a couple of guys in some of those photos. kind of surprised some of those photos are on the internet.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think I'm in love
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/M1-Matt/MiniGun.jpg)
:rolleyes:
Gotta love the Jarheads....GETSOME
(http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0008/wildfire.gallery.02/marines.ap.jpg)
I want to marry that woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaa aaauuuuuuuutifuuuuuuuuulll
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Bout 11 pages worth.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nanneya/040506-F-7823A-001.jpg)
I'm betting this is a video game.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm betting this is a video game.
If it is I gotta have it. Looks real to me.
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thks.. great pics.
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Interesting shot here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/akscott60/jfk-spie.jpg)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Interesting shot here:
looks like a photo shot while paragliding! nice pic :D
but what are they doing/training for real there???
R
Gh0stFT
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Probably hanging from a helicopter.
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WTH does "tagged" mean? Everybody in that thread said it.
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Sandman....what they are doing is a TON of fun.
SPIE rigging....speacial purpose insertion and extraction.
Basically everyone just hooks up and a helo takes you were you need to go without landing.
that is a cool shot over a carrier though.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Sandman....what they are doing is a TON of fun.
SPIE rigging....speacial purpose insertion and extraction.
Basically everyone just hooks up and a helo takes you were you need to go without landing.
that is a cool shot over a carrier though.
what gunslinger said. two guys furthest down might be eod. jump helmet on one and tactical gloves on the other. top guy on rigging is aviator or nfo? looks like a squadron patch on right shoulder and flight helmet with a camo cover?
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gunslinger-
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/marines
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines
heres a really nice one-
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/aai
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On some forums you have the ability to hit a button and see any post you've ever made. Or a list of them. So you write Tagged so you can get back to the post later in time without having to search through all of the forum.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
On some forums you have the ability to hit a button and see any post you've ever made. Or a list of them. So you write Tagged so you can get back to the post later in time without having to search through all of the forum.
Thank you.
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It's an F-15E from the 492nd FS, RAF Lakenheath. A/C 220 is a fairly new bird to the Heath. We received that bird about 4 years ago straight from the plant. It's also definately not a game photo either. There isn't a game out there that gets half of the F-15s features correct. Nice photos though.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
For starters that's not a F-15C. It's an F-15E from the 492nd FS, RAF Lakenheath. A/C 220 is a fairly new bird to the Heath. We received that bird about 4 years ago straight from the plant. It's also definately not a game photo either. There isn't a game out there that gets half of the F-15s features correct. Nice photos though.
you based at RAF Lakenheath?
Used to go up that way quite a bit, had friends of the family that lived up there.
I hate Norfolk, it smells of cow crap and its boring (apart from all the airbases there)
One of my earliest memories of it was standing near a restaurant where we had just been, a sudden rumble in the chest and the sky blacking out, and seeing an SR71 Blackbird on final approach there. what a sight.
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Furball not anymore. I'm stationed at Edwards AFB now in F-15 Flight Test. I left the Heath in October of 2001.
The Heath had a nasty smell to it too during the summer. If the winds blew just right the base would smell like pig watermelon from the local farms. Seemed most places smelled like that due to farms but I got use to it.
I may try to go back there some day. I actually liked it alot there. Except for the lack of high speed interenet in my area and well lack of 24hour convience stores. :D
Oh and that bird 220 was being built during 1997 but wasn't fully completed and recieved till a couple years later. I can't remember if it carried a 1997 or 1998 tail marking though. You can also tell this is a combat mission due to the tanks. The tanks are WRM tanks which we only used during combat. Basically they are disposable drop tanks. Also those are all live weapons onboard.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Also those are all live weapons onboard.
"not a good day to be a bad guy". :aok
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Oh and that bird 220 was being built during 1997 but wasn't fully completed and recieved till a couple years later. I can't remember if it carried a 1997 or 1998 tail marking though. You can also tell this is a combat mission due to the tanks. The tanks are WRM tanks which we only used during combat. Basically they are disposable drop tanks. Also those are all live weapons onboard.
Well... if it's a combat mission, I'm wondering who took the picture. That looks like some sort of kinematic flare coming off of it.
If not a game image, some sort of CG artwork?
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Sandman it's hard to tell just how many flares the aircrew punched at that time. That large glow could be a total of 4 to 5+ flares being jettisoned at once. The heat blur is coming from the right area though where the flares would be loaded.
If you look just behind the LANTIRN Navigation Pod you'll see the heat blur I'm talking about. The reason this stands out is how the E's are normally configured with chaff and flares. The LANTIRN Targeting Pod is too long for them to load flares on that side so they always load them behind the NAV Pod. The chaff/flare DSAs are all the same and you can load anything you want but if they have pods on they have to load them this particular way. If not they'd run into the possible chance of having a flare hit the tail section of the Targeting Pod which is the ECU. This would end up rendering the pod useless if it were damaged and render their mission mostly ineffective.
Another thing to note is the Aircrews names. They don't exist in this picture. Why is that important? Well ever since Kosovo and the F-117 incident we have been removing the names of the aircrews and crewchiefs off the aircraft while in combat.
One other thing to take note of is the GBU-12 seaker head assemblies. Their angles are correct for the maneuver he is pulling. I've played many games out there that depict the F-15s and not one has ever modeled the airframe and weapons in that much detail. Also another thing is this is a standard loadout for the E in combat. 4 x GBU 12s on the CFTs, 2x 120s on stations 2A and 8B, 2x AIM-9 on stations 2B and 8A and last but not least the JDAM on station 5.
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No question... the attention to detail is there.
It's just the contrast between blurred areas and sharply focused ones and the lighting that makes me think it's artificial.
I agree... probably too much detail for a game, but it's not beyond the capability of some 3-D artists.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Interesting shot here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/akscott60/jfk-spie.jpg)
Yeah and that one scares the Shiat out of me..
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Sandman. Well if this was an artist that added in the flares I have to give them credit for attention to detail in the shadows.
They would have had to take an extreme amount of time to place some of the shadows like they did. A few areas stand out. One of them being the intakes, channels between the intakes that lead down to the main fuselage, targeting pod shadow, nav pod shadows, JDAM and centerline shadows, shadows on the left CFTs GBU-12s, the right CFTs lower GBU-12 aft fin assembly, left CFT lower rack mounts, left CFT rubber seal, both external tanks shadows, and last but not least the light going between the tank/pylon radiating onto the flap and aileron assembly.
If this is infact an artist they did an awesome job. It does look like their may have been some imperfections in the photo but not so bad that it stands out as a fake. On the forward part of the left CFT in front of the 492nd patch there is a green area. This could have been someone scanning the photo. Any mishandling could have left oils on the film in that area and discolored it. That could also be what is causing some of the blurring forward and below the navigation pod.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Spoken like a true gentlemen from the slums of Phili.
You ever call me a gentleman again and Ill e-kick your ass.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Sandman. Well if this was an artist that added in the flares I have to give them credit for attention to detail in the shadows.
They would have had to take an extreme amount of time to place some of the shadows like they did. A few areas stand out. One of them being the intakes, channels between the intakes that lead down to the main fuselage, targeting pod shadow, nav pod shadows, JDAM and centerline shadows, shadows on the left CFTs GBU-12s, the right CFTs lower GBU-12 aft fin assembly, left CFT lower rack mounts, left CFT rubber seal, both external tanks shadows, and last but not least the light going between the tank/pylon radiating onto the flap and aileron assembly.
If this is infact an artist they did an awesome job. It does look like their may have been some imperfections in the photo but not so bad that it stands out as a fake. On the forward part of the left CFT in front of the 492nd patch there is a green area. This could have been someone scanning the photo. Any mishandling could have left oils on the film in that area and discolored it. That could also be what is causing some of the blurring forward and below the navigation pod.
Well... the lighting part isn't so hard... once the model is "constructed" and the light sources identified, the computer does the rest.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Yeah and that one scares the Shiat out of me..
Hawk you should try it flying around the Island of oahu. FREAKIN BEAUTIFULL!
Helos...specifically hueys with open doors in good weather are SOOO much fun to fly in. They're not goin all that fast compared to air planes and the view is just astounding.
My old job in the corps I used to have to take regulare helo missions to mountain peaks around the goldwater range in arizona. We had to fix and maintain repeater sites. I allways loved it when I got the side facing gunners seat. You got the wind, the view, and the fresh air.....
The only thing I wish I did in the corps besides getting my jump wings is helo casting.
Jumping out of helicopters over water fully loaded and swimming to shore to give someone a very bad day.
PS
Cobra you got orders yet?
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Well Sandman if this is infact a game I wanna see it. Not even games such as LOMAC come close to this kind of detail. They are suppose to lead the market when it comes to Modern Combat Flight Sims and detailing. After seeing their work and their mistakes I can tell you that it's not theirs and they are the best out there.
Here's a few other things to ponder. The lower UHF antennas. Ones a shark blade and ones a standard blade antenna. That is highly uncommon when it comes to games. These shark fin antennas are rare especially on the lower fuselage position. Their were known batches that were prone to failures and would break off. Mind you this is a brand new F-15E. This means that the shark blade antenna had its TCTO complied with. Which means it's a new style shark blade antenna.
Also not trying to be an arse but here's a link stating who took the photo and that it's actually a copyrighted photo from the U.S. Air Force.
F-15E Strike Eagle (http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com/gallery/pics/266b.jpg)
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Neg Gunslinger. I'm stuck here babysitting these birds until we get a confirmation on when and where we are going. Hopefully we are going to 4 day work weeks after our phase is complete. In the meanwhile I'll be sitting around training folks.
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Originally posted by anonymous
gunslinger-
heres a really nice one-
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/aai
he needs a shave....that's unsat! ;) lol
cool pics...thanks
G2G cobra. Hopfully were getting a selection team in april when our HPO is supposed to take effect. For that very reason I'm putting off geting my 7 level......those are the last to go and have fewer base choices ;)
Still waiting on my 2Ax7x test results though....that test sucked
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Like I said... I don't necessarily believe it's a game image. I think it's computer generated.
The picture in the link doesn't state that it's a photo, but it does state that it's copyrighted. This in itself is odd. The Department of Defense does not copyright anything AFAIK.
I'm still searching for something definitive...
Call me a skeptic.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Like I said... I don't necessarily believe it's a game image. I think it's computer generated.
The picture in the link doesn't state that it's a photo, but it does state that it's copyrighted. This in itself is odd. The Department of Defense does not copyright anything AFAIK.
I'm still searching for something definitive...
Call me a skeptic.
skeptic :rolleyes: ;)
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what sells me on the pic sandman is the pito tubes on the bottom fusalage below the cockpit....and the heat blume coming from the flares itself.
CG and 3d art can imitate this but they usually over look that and add some cheezy lensflare or lighting effect.....not taking into accout the 4000 degree (i'm guessing there) flares igniting within milisecons of eachothter
EDIT:
and the conformal fuel tanks. Usualy u don't see those in art/games either.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
what sells me on the pic sandman is the pito tubes on the bottom fusalage below the cockpit....and the heat blume coming from the flares itself.
CG and 3d art can imitate this but they usually over look that and add some cheezy lensflare or lighting effect.....not taking into accout the 4000 degree (i'm guessing there) flares igniting within milisecons of eachothter
I'm sold. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132330)
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Great pics!
Especially this one.
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
Why is the guy masked? Does he fear something? He might be from el-quaeda.
Anyway...pics like that makes me proud about my country.
Here is a pic from another REAL fearless soldier. She dont need to mask herself while having fun.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
And this one you can make to your personal wallpaper.
Isnt it a 'beautyful' description whats about the word 'power'.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture6.jpg)
My prayers are with you.
Ecke
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Love the cool guy head gear on the bearded dude !
Ecke, so thats what torture looks like. Thanks for the clarification, I had been getting some conflicting information.
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Suave no need to remove organ to make a good torture.
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Originally posted by straffo
Suave no need to remove organ to make a good torture.
That's fer sure. Trying to talk some sense into some on this board is real torture.
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Originally posted by AKIron
That's fer sure. Trying to talk some sense into some on this board is real torture.
it's more masochism IMO :)
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Originally posted by straffo
it's more masochism IMO :)
Ain't no denying it.
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Ecke do you really want to get into an argument over atrocities commited by peoples countries, im thinking you dont.
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
And this one you can make to your personal wallpaper.
Isnt it a 'beautyful' description whats about the word 'power'.
Do a Lynndie (http://badgas.co.uk/lynndie/)
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Great pics!
Especially this one.
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
Why is the guy masked? Does he fear something? He might be from el-quaeda.
Anyway...pics like that makes me proud about my country.
Here is a pic from another REAL fearless soldier. She dont need to mask herself while having fun.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
And this one you can make to your personal wallpaper.
Isnt it a 'beautyful' description whats about the word 'power'.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture6.jpg)
My prayers are with you.
Ecke
hes got a point. to humble and extract information we should have don exactly what hussein and his cronies did. then the extreme lefty elements of the media, germany, and france would have had no problem with it. of course the guys being humiliated werent former torturers themselves in some cases. they were just average innocent iraqis. which is why there were riots all over iraq protesting their treatment. oh wait. there werent riots. there were iraqis laughing at how low some of the former oppressors had been laid.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
Ecke do you really want to get into an argument over atrocities commited by peoples countries, im thinking you dont.
why wouldnt he want to? denial of reality is step one for guys like him in any discussion. :lol
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Great pics!
Especially this one.
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
Why is the guy masked? Does he fear something? He might be from el-quaeda.
Anyway...pics like that makes me proud about my country.
Here is a pic from another REAL fearless soldier. She dont need to mask herself while having fun.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
And this one you can make to your personal wallpaper.
Isnt it a 'beautyful' description whats about the word 'power'.
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture6.jpg)
My prayers are with you.
Ecke
one other thing ecke. finding the behavior of some reservists from a unit that had piss poor leadership from top to bottom to be indicative of american combat troops would be like considering you to be your average german citizen. a really stupid finding as im certain you have nothing in common with the germans ive worked with.
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Originally posted by anonymous
one other thing ecke. finding the behavior of some reservists from a unit that had piss poor leadership from top to bottom to be indicative of american combat troops would be like considering you to be your average german citizen. a really stupid finding as im certain you have nothing in common with the germans ive worked with.
Good Point!!!!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Do a Lynndie (http://badgas.co.uk/lynndie/)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Dunno what the big deal is.
They're just getting a lesson on what married life for a man is here in america LMAO
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dunno what the big deal is.
They're just getting a lesson on what married life for a man is here in america LMAO
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
now be fair. these guys are obviously traumatized by a grown women seeing their torpedo. its also obvious that non subservient women disturb them greatly. there are certain "men" who can obviously empathize with these emotions in these situations and these "men" thus find the photos to be deeply offensive in a very personal way. :lol
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I should post my "do a Lynndie pic".
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dunno what the big deal is.
They're just getting a lesson on what married life for a man is here in america LMAO
(http://www.detlev-mahnert.de/torture4.jpg)
i can see it now. "iran duplicates humiliation of abu g prisoners with us pow in example of 'turnabout is fair play'. from now on all male american pow will be stripped naked and softly assaulted by slightly cute moderately trashy female jailers. married component of socom announces intent to surrender to iran in near future." :)
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in your "defence" anonymous (dont get this the wrong way)..
I have been on alot of excercises with US Marines and Navy personel and they seemed very professional and serious to me. Only a very very few "gung ho" people.... no more than you find in any other military.
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Originally posted by anonymous
finding the behavior of some reservists from a unit that had piss poor leadership from top to bottom to be indicative of american combat troops would be like considering you to be your average german citizen.
If I read correctly your post ,it's far worst than I thought.
Misled soldier can act like this , I can understand that even if I disagree ( remember Algeria etc ...)
But reading your post you look to say : it's just a bunch of civilian wearing battle-dress
It just make me think that either the recruitement in the army got a pretty low quality or you have some weirdo in the US.
Anyway they are a dishonnor whatever uniform they would have wearing (including the French uniform ,I'm not targeting especially the US)
this post is neither a troll nor a flamebait.
If you need any clarification , just ask.
I done my best to translate my thought ... but in English it's perhaps over simplified because of the translation.
In French my post it would have been very complex but clearer but none who have understood it :)
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Originally posted by anonymous
..... a really stupid finding as im certain you have nothing in common with the germans ive worked with.
Oh...show the germans you worked with this or a similar pic
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
Then call it a great one, and i am shure you get a heartly reply too.
Respect is the magic word.
And the longer i stay here the more i loose it. Isnt it natural?
Ecke
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
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Are you whining about that pic Ecke? If you're so sensitive then why'd you post the prison pics?
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Err, he's wearing a gasmask because of the threat of Saddam using his chemical and biological weapons against the US.
Doesn't take a handsomehunk to see this.
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Originally posted by straffo
If I read correctly your post ,it's far worst than I thought.
Misled soldier can act like this , I can understand that even if I disagree ( remember Algeria etc ...)
But reading your post you look to say : it's just a bunch of civilian wearing battle-dress
It just make me think that either the recruitement in the army got a pretty low quality or you have some weirdo in the US.
Anyway they are a dishonnor whatever uniform they would have wearing (including the French uniform ,I'm not targeting especially the US)
this post is neither a troll nor a flamebait.
If you need any clarification , just ask.
I done my best to translate my thought ... but in English it's perhaps over simplified because of the translation.
In French my post it would have been very complex but clearer but none who have understood it :)
ill clear it up for you you seem sincere. the single bat. repsonsible for almost all the stupidity there they are a disgrace to us military. idiots. all through the ranks. two other mp battalion working at other facility have sterling record in treatment of pow. my call was to turn over guilty mps to prisoners for a day or two and look the other way. this is war and they treating it like a freakin game. those pow are intel source you dont do anything that could spoil that source. the intel guys tell you what to do with regards to them and thats what you do. someday they could spill something that saves lives. ive taken enemy into custody that was trying to kill me a few minutes earlier. taken guys into custody that would have turned and killed me if i gave em the chance. sure i would have liked to kick their knee in before they were handed over but i didnt. im not unique. thousands of guys face same decision under same stress and do professional thing. these idiots faced easier decision under less stress and treated it like they making fries at the burger king. to bring these idiots up when discussing professional warrior in a tough fight shows eicke either dont have a clue about military or hes out to insult looking for a fight. i know a couple of guys in that big picture thread and theyve got nothing to do with some handsomehunked reservists from a rotten apple bat. they are insult to reservists theres some damn fine people working in reserves with more experience more trigger time than a lot of the active duty guys. so i say they have nothing to do with me the idiot mps. eicke makes the connection. i say eicke is a little obnoxious punk that doesnt have a clue. the germans i worked with were great guys. top of the line operators worked with them closely for a long time they are certainly my peers. when i think of germans i think of them. i think theyd be insulted if i considered eicke to be in the same group as them be it for attitude, demeanor, and so on.
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Oh...show the germans you worked with this or a similar pic
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
Then call it a great one, and i am shure you get a heartly reply too.
Respect is the magic word.
And the longer i stay here the more i loose it. Isnt it natural?
Ecke
ive never said a bad word about french and german soldier or operator. worked with both. you seem to feel this guys attitude unjustified. in light of oil for food "inconsistencies" id say your the one drowning in denial. youre right youve lost respect from many with your stupid points of view here.
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
(http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/costonIRAQ/abo.sized.jpg)
translation-"mommy i thought i was witty and hip and got put in my place! mommeee!"
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Originally posted by anonymous
ill clear it up for you you seem sincere. the single bat. repsonsible for almost all the stupidity there they are a disgrace to us military. idiots. all through the ranks. two other mp battalion working at other facility have sterling record in treatment of pow. my call was to turn over guilty mps to prisoners for a day or two and look the other way. this is war and they treating it like a freakin game. those pow are intel source you dont do anything that could spoil that source. the intel guys tell you what to do with regards to them and thats what you do. someday they could spill something that saves lives. ive taken enemy into custody that was trying to kill me a few minutes earlier. taken guys into custody that would have turned and killed me if i gave em the chance. sure i would have liked to kick their knee in before they were handed over but i didnt. im not unique. thousands of guys face same decision under same stress and do professional thing. these idiots faced easier decision under less stress and treated it like they making fries at the burger king. to bring these idiots up when discussing professional warrior in a tough fight shows eicke either dont have a clue about military or hes out to insult looking for a fight. i know a couple of guys in that big picture thread and theyve got nothing to do with some handsomehunked reservists from a rotten apple bat. they are insult to reservists theres some damn fine people working in reserves with more experience more trigger time than a lot of the active duty guys. so i say they have nothing to do with me the idiot mps. eicke makes the connection. i say eicke is a little obnoxious punk that doesnt have a clue. the germans i worked with were great guys. top of the line operators worked with them closely for a long time they are certainly my peers. when i think of germans i think of them. i think theyd be insulted if i considered eicke to be in the same group as them be it for attitude, demeanor, and so on.
I'm sincere.
Btw I've a question about the reserve in the US army (because mostly I've never clearly understood the difference between Reserve,National guard and what I call regular Army).
My hypothesys are :
You enter in the reserve after your time in the regular army
Right ?
So you make your service in one unit and then after your time you go to another unit but a reserve one
I'm still right ?
The Nationnal guard is the equivalent of a draftee army ?
Clearing this will help me undertood how your army work (as you can guess the french army don't work this way :))
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Some pics starting on page 3 of that thread are downright tasteless. (No, I am not talking about the airplane pictures).
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm sincere.
Btw I've a question about the reserve in the US army (because mostly I've never clearly understood the difference between Reserve,National guard and what I call regular Army).
My hypothesys are :
You enter in the reserve after your time in the regular army
Right ?
So you make your service in one unit and then after your time you go to another unit but a reserve one
I'm still right ?
The Nationnal guard is the equivalent of a draftee army ?
Clearing this will help me undertood how your army work (as you can guess the french army don't work this way :))
i cant speak from experience for the army i was USN United States Navy but i believe they almost identical. you can enter reserves from civilian life. you go to basic training and then become part of reserve unit. but many reservist enter reserve after many years of active duty as well. there are some pilot flying in reserve unit that have much more flight time than their active duty counterpart. youd need to ask a pilot for accurate details on that one but ive known a couple of pilots that went reserve because of a chance for flying time. many special operations units in us military have reserve units and the operators in these units are always experienced theyve spent their time in active duty special operations unit. as for the mps who screwed up at abu g and gave eicke and the other misguided a new thing to blame going crazy over i dont know for certain but would not be surprised if large number of them were "civilian to reserves" types. look at it this way they were to young to be coming into reserves after ten twelve fourteen or twenty years of active duty. they have nothing in common with even the least experienced guy youd find in a combat unit. different creatures entirely.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Some pics starting on page 3 of that thread are downright tasteless. (No, I am not talking about the airplane pictures).
i agree there. i can see Marines taking those pictures for personal scrapbook when they were in the fight that produced the picture. to have a bunch of guys who never heard a shot fired in anger let alone fired one themselves acting tough over some blown up soldier which is what they are unless you know for certain they a terrorist is pretty sad. "look how tough we are our Marines killed those guys and weve got the pictures to prove it". but you know if some foreign newspaper showed a picture of Marines kia these guys would be "enraged" and super emotional about it.
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Originally posted by anonymous
i cant speak from experience for the army i was USN United States Navy but i believe they almost identical. you can enter reserves from civilian life. you go to basic training and then become part of reserve unit. but many reservist enter reserve after many years of active duty as well. there are some pilot flying in reserve unit that have much more flight time than their active duty counterpart. youd need to ask a pilot for accurate details on that one but ive known a couple of pilots that went reserve because of a chance for flying time. many special operations units in us military have reserve units and the operators in these units are always experienced theyve spent their time in active duty special operations unit. as for the mps who screwed up at abu g and gave eicke and the other misguided a new thing to blame going crazy over i dont know for certain but would not be surprised if large number of them were "civilian to reserves" types. look at it this way they were to young to be coming into reserves after ten twelve fourteen or twenty years of active duty. they have nothing in common with even the least experienced guy youd find in a combat unit. different creatures entirely.
Ok I get it a system like that started recently in France but I'm not really sure how it work.
When I made my military time it didn't worked this way.
To enter the reserve you had to make your time then enter the reserve and so give some time each year (amount of time depending of your speciallity/grade) ,you had to be volounteer (for some speciality/grade you had no choice except to be volounteer :D)
We had no "civilian to reserves" like you have, I guess their military value is pretty low.
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Originally posted by straffo
Ok I get it a system like that started recently in France but I'm not really sure how it work.
When I made my military time it didn't worked this way.
To enter the reserve you had to make your time then enter the reserve and so give some time each year (amount of time depending of your speciallity/grade) ,you had to be volounteer (for some speciality/grade you had no choice except to be volounteer :D)
We had no "civilian to reserves" like you have, I guess their military value is pretty low.
reserves have a few weeks of active duty each year in us. military value depends on unit leadership and individual as well. i know reservist who have volunteered for active duty assignment contstantly for three years in a row or more. these guys are really active duty just counted among reserve. they have initiative and want to do things and are doing them. leadership matters most just in active duty theres more oversight i think. infantry bat in active duty unit leadership under daily scrutiny they always getting ready to do something. problem will be seen very fast and addressed. oversight not always there in reserve or someone not always eager to fix it. that mp battalion was textbook military disaster. some of the leadership and subordinate were "buddies" in civilian life and leadership did not set things straight when obvious they going to war. my problem is idiots like eicke saying "bush knew!" or "rumsfeld resign" or "us military no better than sadaam" give me a break. if they knew or ordered it to happen they certainly wouldnt stake the secret on a jerkoff reserve mp unit. common sense. if you that high up and order someone tortured and disappeared are you going to trust it to reservist or people more highly selected? and i dont buy for a second that eicke or any of the others gives a damn about the iraqis in the pictures. all they are to these whiners is a weapon to use in political battle against us. they dont give a damn about them as people. if they did care about humanity theyd be packing the streets in protest over sudan.
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In all objective fairness Ecke's riposte of posting those pics is reasonably mild.
Imagine if he started a thread with a photo of a French soldier holding a "F*CK America Britain" sign. Some of you guys would've broken capillaries and had brain anyerisms, and skuzzy would've locked the thread right off.
It was poor judgement to put that photo up on this forum, and I'm suprised skuzzy didn't do anything.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Some pics starting on page 3 of that thread are downright tasteless. (No, I am not talking about the airplane pictures).
Of which you were warned in the first post of this thread.
As for the F*CK picture... if Skuzzy deems it inappropriate he can remove it easier than he can ask me to.
I wont apologize for putting the picture up any sooner than our players from France and Germany would apologize for not fighting alongside us in Iraq.
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I know the troops are doing a good job in Iraq. However its still hard to ignore the fact that there are no WMDs, no nuclear programs, no links to A-Q, and the fact that they themselves are fighting an enemy that the current administration created. It was a needless war. We know that now with hindsite. With an aggressive foreign policy of preemptive strike that isnt garnered on good facts and intel. Its not suprising that these are the results. The decision made by a man who knows nothing about war and has never even fought in a war.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I wont apologize for putting the picture up any sooner than our players from France and Germany would apologize for not fighting alongside us in Iraq.
this is now really funny Saurdaukar.
Who here from the forum have to apologize to you? wich player?
Me or Ecke or whos fault is it that France & Germany are not at war
right now.
I mean i dont care about that Pic really, i doubt its from Iraq at all
It could be a photo from you, made in your backyard ;)
If this Message is really that important, why hide behind a mask?
c'mon if you have something to say, say it and dont hide.
...we players have to apologize to you...*g* i still laugh about that.
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I wont apologize for putting the picture up any sooner than our players from France and Germany would apologize for not fighting alongside us in Iraq.
All of a sudden I've a clearer idea of "eternity"
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Good! So we agree that the picture is harmless. :)
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Originally posted by Suave
In all objective fairness Ecke's riposte of posting those pics is reasonably mild.
Imagine if he started a thread with a photo of a French soldier holding a "F*CK America Britain" sign. Some of you guys would've broken capillaries and had brain anyerisms, and skuzzy would've locked the thread right off.
It was poor judgement to put that photo up on this forum, and I'm suprised skuzzy didn't do anything.
not in my case. if france went it alone in any place comparable to iraq and the us not only refused to go along but condemned them for acting id say such a sign would be expected and i as member us armed forces would be ashamed. politics and rhetoric aside there is good and bad. kicking bads butt should be default state of affairs. question should not be "why should we go stuff despot killing and starving his own people" it should be "why shouldnt we stuff this despot". just my opinion.