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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on October 08, 2004, 12:26:55 PM
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I thought it was kinda funny. :)
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Kind of ironic to post a nuclear explosion when Bush is the one wanting to break international treaties and spend billions on nuclear weapons and testing.
Anyway there are plenty of jokes on Iraq. Some more extreme then others.
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...-Gixer
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What international treaties is Bush wanting to "break"?
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1. Nice Godwin.
2. Yeah what treaties?
3. The USA will be spending billions of dollars on nuclear weapons and testing regardless of who is in the oval office.
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Originally posted by Sandman
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The election is about the war that both Kerry and Bush endorsed?
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The election is about the war that both Kerry and Bush endorsed?
Kerry is not sure this week if he endorsed the war or not.
Funny how he didn't oppose the war until Howard Dean was kicking his bellybutton in the polls by opposing the war. Then Kerry decided he was opposed. Good old Johnny K, dont take a position until the polls tell you which way to bend your noodle of a spine.
dago
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
2. Yeah what treaties?
3. The USA will be spending billions of dollars on nuclear weapons and testing regardless of who is in the oval office.
Backed out of some, undercutting others, gutting a third.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28806-2004Jul30.html
http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/daalder/20020521.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/dec01/2001-12-12-usat-treaty.htm
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/
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Originally posted by AKIron
What international treaties is Bush wanting to "break"?
This one. Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)
Bascially it prohibits all nuclear test explosions in all environments. Was signed in 1996 by 71 states including (at the time) the five nuclear-weapon states .
There's also the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Which he is wanting to change the rules on effectively revoking it.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Kind of ironic to post a nuclear explosion when Bush is the one wanting to break international treaties and spend billions on nuclear weapons and testing.
Anyway there are plenty of jokes on Iraq. Some more extreme then others.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/937165-704299-tr031027.gif)
...-Gixer
youre into ted rall. that explains a lot.
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Originally posted by Gixer
This one. Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)
Bascially it prohibits all nuclear test explosions in all environments. Was signed in 1996 by 71 states including (at the time) the five nuclear-weapon states .
There's also the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Which he is wanting to change the rules on effectively revoking it.
...-Gixer
Yup....why limit your defense by signing treaties when those that sign it do not follow it nore is it enforced by anyone.....not even the UN.
Reall nice Gixer....comparing us to NAZIs....you're an origninal kinda guy
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Yup....I think it's swell that they think countries like the Sudan, Syria, and China should be dictating to them what "human rights" really are.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
2. Yeah what treaties?
3. The USA will be spending billions of dollars on nuclear weapons and testing regardless of who is in the oval office.
Treaties have been posted.
No one who gets into the Oval office wants to spend money on nuclear weapons to the same scale as bush though. He is planning a whole new arsenal of nuclear weapons from underground bunker busters all the way up.
Plus he's already said that he would use nuclear weapons even against a non nuclear weapons state in a pre-emptive strike. Now given his record on intelligence gathering and using it effectively that's a pretty worrying thought.
...-Gixer
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LOL, elect Kerry so we can lose in Iraq. Have you been watching the news. Have you noticed the situation in Iraq is getting worse in regards to increase insurgent activity.
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Originally posted by Gixer
This one. Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT)
Bascially it prohibits all nuclear test explosions in all environments. Was signed in 1996 by 71 states including (at the time) the five nuclear-weapon states .
There's also the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Which he is wanting to change the rules on effectively revoking it.
...-Gixer
Can you break a treaty which you haven't ratified?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yup....why limit your defense by signing treaties when those that sign it do not follow it nore is it enforced by anyone.....not even the UN.
Reall nice Gixer....comparing us to NAZIs....you're an origninal kinda guy
Well if Bush isn't going to stick to the treaties then why would anyone else bother?
I said it was extreme, not that I found it funny. And hardly orginal as the Bush-Hitler comparisons have been around for years.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Reall nice Gixer....comparing us to NAZIs....you're an origninal kinda guy
He's a dedicated ameristalker, it's what they do.
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Hey Gr, why dont you show your support for Bush and go sign up for the Marine Corps. Im just joking Gr.
:D
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough Gixer. You said Bush was breaking treaties thus implying a breach of faith. The treaty you cited as having been broken has never been ratified by the US. I won't call you a liar, maybe you didn't know this, maybe you did. Either way that would be impolite. If you know of another treaty that Bush has "broken" please feel free to back up your claim.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
He's a dedicated ameristalker, it's what they do.
"Ameristalker" Is that in the dictionary? As I can't even find it on the web.
...-Gixer
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(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/oct04/laura2100504.jpg)
actual handsomehunkcrats storming Republican campaign office
the day my party acts and looks like these losers is the day I quit it
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Originally posted by montag
Hey Gr, why dont you show your support for Bush and go sign up for the Marine Corps. Im just joking Gr.
:D
Montag, your a handsomehunk.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Treaties have been posted.
Plus he's already said that he would use nuclear weapons even against a non nuclear weapons state in a pre-emptive strike. ...-Gixer
He has?
Got a source?
If so lets see it.
In its entirety if you dont mind
I dont remember hearing him say that
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Yep, No more nukes...No more testing...Blah Blah Blah..
They used to say the same thing to Reagan.
They said he was going to start WWIII.
Guess who was on the wrong side of history.
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Originally posted by Sandman
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the irony is that the liberal left has always had great disdain for military and military virtues. but now that its election time they all of a sudden care about 'the troops'. whatever.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Yep, No more nukes...No more testing...Blah Blah Blah..
They used to say the same thing to Reagan.
They said he was going to start WWIII.
Guess who was on the wrong side of history.
remember how all the super lefties were all of a sudden mr and mrs pat-on-the-back "great job we did it together" when the berlin wall came down? no shame.
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SAme thing about Vietnam service annonymous.
:rofl
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I believe those treaties were signed in times long since past under far different global circumstances.
One job a good president does (and somethig I do not expect sKerry to do) is to review the changing world poilitical scene and make adjustments suited to the ongoing security of the united states. If that means backing out of treaties then it simply must be done. In the age of nuclear weapons, my nations' security is paramount to all other considerations.
The absolute last thing I want is a president listening to the propoganda of people in europe and canada hoping for the poilitcal, economic or military defeat of the united states simply because they hate its elected leaders. Pitifully, there are americans who harbor the same hopes.
As far as nuclear weapons are concerned? yes, maintain and refine them. Improve them and be prepared to use them. No other reason to have them. Deterrance through threat of use is no good if you openly proclaim you will never use nuclear weapons.
In my opinion, and I have thought long about this, if a terrorist deploys and uses a nuclear weapon on american soil then the entire country and the entire population of the country will be at extreme threat of total annihilation if no world changing response is used. Under such circumstances I would hope the CIC would use all means at his or her disposal to rearrange the globe in such a manner as to prevent any second or third attack from ever recurring.
sKerry does not give me any hope that he would do anything of the sort and instead would allow the country to teeter on the brink of destruction in favour of not upsetting the balance of power between europe, asia and north america.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Can you break a treaty which you haven't ratified?
Nope.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough Gixer. You said Bush was breaking treaties thus implying a breach of faith. The treaty you cited as having been broken has never been ratified by the US. I won't call you a liar, maybe you didn't know this, maybe you did. Either way that would be impolite. If you know of another treaty that Bush has "broken" please feel free to back up your claim.
Touche.
Gixer, you are going to have nail bush on another treaty because AKIron is right on the money.
"The absolute last thing I want is a president listening to the propoganda of people in europe and canada hoping for the poilitcal, economic or military defeat of the united states simply because they hate its elected leaders. Pitifully, there are americans who harbor the same hopes. "
Which Eurpoeans and Canadians are that exactly?