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ABC Online
Nobel peace laureate claims HIV deliberately created.
09/10/2004.
ABC News Online
Last Update: Saturday, October 9, 2004. 10:09pm (AEST)
Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai, the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize, today reiterated her claim that the AIDS virus was a deliberately created biological agent.
"Some say that AIDS came from the monkeys, and I doubt that because we have been living with monkeys (since) time immemorial, others say it was a curse from God, but I say it cannot be that.
"Us black people are dying more than any other people in this planet," Ms Maathai told a press conference in Nairobi a day after winning the prize for her work in human rights and reversing deforestation across Africa."
To read the entire article click below:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1216687.htm
By saying the HIV virus was create in the west to delibrately kill Africans can we assume she meant "whites"?
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bet she is gay. the theory is very popular amung the gays.
lazs
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The South African Apartheid based government did research bioweapons that would affect black people only. And who knows what weapons the US, Soviets etc devised during the cold war.
But she's not neccessarily making that link. It's true that Aids is practically an epidemic in Africa - sounds like she's using the spotlight that's on her to highlight a major issue.
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Originally posted by Dowding
sounds like she's using the spotlight that's on her to highlight a major issue.
Right Dowding..
Did you know that inner city crime was invented by black people. No I'm not an ignorant racist I'm just using this idiotic statement to highlight the plight of victims of crime...
BS
That kind of attitude is EXACTLY why AIDS is so dangerous in africa. And she isnt the only one, Thabo M'Beki the south african president doesnt belive that white man's aids drugs work on black africans... How dumb can yoiu be, we are all humans and aids kills us all the same.. I'm really saddened by this atiitude that is coming out of africa about aids. They dont use condoms, education ir replaced by these psedudo science garbage, the people's own governments are aginst the drugs and on and on... Really tragic, and then they blame the west for it all - the same west which is giving billions of dollars of medical help and low priced drugs.. Bahh, stupid!
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So AIDS only kills black people? I did not know that.
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so it's ok to lie and sensationalize so long as the cause is just?
lazs
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It should be made possible to withdraw the nobel peace prize, if the person begins making stupid claims and trying to use the added fame for his/her benefit with the wrongful issue.
Or maybe shes just saying africans aren't human after all, since thats pretty much the only way you could've thought of creating a race targeted virus back then when the HIV popped up for the first time.
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Apparently it was created to kill people too stupid to use condoms.
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Except when you look a Uganda and it's abstinanced based national education policy and how HIV has been dramatically reduced there.
HIV is a totally and easily preventable disease.
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There is a long illustrious history of crackpots winning the Nobel Prize.
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moron. i hate this (seems to be) one-way racism BS.
Imagine if a white person had said cancer was created by black people to kill whites, would be uproar, violent-protests, everything.
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I hate whitey.
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and nuclear weapons were created specifically to kill japanese.
this is proven by the fact that so far, the only people who have been killed by nuclear weapons are japs, as far as we know they could be the ONLY ones effected by them.
oh, and mount st helens 1980 explosion was caused by the first nuclear weapon designed to destroy white men.
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Another black person that uses the spotlight to whine about her race's situation. It's always someone else's fault.
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I don’t think that her belief that AIDS is a man made disease makes her a certified "crackpot". I do think the idea that whites or man created AIDS to kill blacks is "crackpot".
However, the epidemic in Africa and with the impact it's had there's bound to be all sorts of conspiracy theories put forth. As such many may be "conditioned" by their circumstances to give these conspiracy theories more credibility then those of us looking in from the outside.
It happens here as well. Some folks will tell you that crack cocaine was invented by the CIA to harm blacks. In this day and age personal responsibility is lacking and there is a whole host of ready made excuses and reasons to cling to.
This applies to many issues particularly with in the "black world" but certainly not exclusively. They have been conditioned by their circumstances to except themselves as "victims". It’s easier for some of them to accept the idea that the white man gave them AIDS rather then to address their behavior and the possibility that AIDS has evolved naturally.
For example, it’s not their behavior that created the AIDS epidemic but evil white scientists. The CIA made crack to enslave blacks. Standardized tests are racist because blacks don't perform as well etc...
I can list all sorts of things like the above. From the ridiculously extreme to some of the more widely accepted. As “victims” they view themselves as deserving “justice”. Instead of the spread of AIDS being their responsibility it becomes ours.
The reason I made this post was because Ms. Maathai by winning the Nobel Peace Prize was given an opportunity to get her voice heard and to be a role model. By blaming "whitey" for AIDS she just echoes the same "black voices" that are quite prevalent within the "black world" and I was wondering if others thought the same way.
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what?! no one blamed Bush yet...
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Originally posted by Furball
what?! no one blamed Bush yet...
Blame CanaBush !
Ya see I can do nice combo ,it's like playing street firghter ! Im' l33t !
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wouldnt that be 'L3 L33T'? :D
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I heard from a good source, well from my wife's cousin's best friend, who is also a policeman so it has to be true, that whiskey was invented to prevent the Irish from ruling the world.
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The secrets out, whitey rules the world!
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Originally posted by Fishu It should be made possible to withdraw the nobel peace prize, if the person begins making stupid claims and trying to use the added fame for his/her benefit with the wrongful issue.
first I should make it clear that I think she's a nut.
but who would actually do the deciding as to what is 'the wrongful issue', and which side is the right side of any issue?
her past deeds won her some respect, and made her voice a bit louder around the world. she earned it. it's a standard perk of fame.
what she has to say now will take away some of that respect and her voice will likely become a bit quieter.
the problem takes care of itself, without giving anyone the power to decide what is 'right thinking'.
Originally posted by Fishu Or maybe shes just saying africans aren't human after all, since thats pretty much the only way you could've thought of creating a race targeted virus back then when the HIV popped up for the first time.
why would you think that? diseases that hit certain ethnic groups harder than others or groups that have more immunity to certain diseases have been around for quite awhile (much longer than AIDS anyway).
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Seems that anyone with a little commons sense oughta see that a virus engineered nearly 25 years ago could be decoded today with all the advancements in medical technology since. Paranoid beyond all reason to imagine that medical researchers throughout the world would participate in this supposed giant conspiracy. Who the hell awards these nobel prizes anyhow?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Seems that anyone with a little commons sense oughta see that a virus engineered nearly 25 years ago could be decoded today with all the advancements in medical technology since. Paranoid beyond all reason to imagine that medical researchers throughout the world would participate in this supposed giant conspiracy. Who the hell awards these nobel prizes anyhow?
Nilsen :D
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AIDS is decimating some countries in Africa, this is true. But, it is not the fault of white men, nor is it the result of some diablolical plan.
It falls to the fact that the African people are to a large degree not monagimous, but rather promiscuous and choose to succumb to base primal urges, having sex with everyone they can. Lacking the education about STDs and methods to practice safe sex, nor the religious guidance to maintain a commited relationship to one person, they are put at high risk of AIDS and other STDs.
No, blaming whitey isn't accurate, accepting the reality of the cause of the spread of AIDS is the answer.
dago
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
why would you think that? diseases that hit certain ethnic groups harder than others or groups that have more immunity to certain diseases have been around for quite awhile (much longer than AIDS anyway).
Sad thing is that it'd be still dangerous to those who created it and I doubt that would be a satisfactory.
Even so it would have to be created from an already existing virus and it would have to be very precise work or otherwise it would be just a mutation and there would be no immunity from anyone.
I doubt back then that was possible with viruses...
Americans and europeans have also been present for quite a while in africa, causing africans to develop immunity to quite similar diseases.
So it would further lower the casualties.. at least when compared to the 'biological warfare' against indians in america, where indians were infected with a disease which was totally unknown to them from before.
Currently like one in what... thousands? has immunity to HIV, regardless of race and it doesn't have links to any other known viruses.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so it's ok to lie and sensationalize so long as the cause is just?
lazs
We did it with Iraq:)
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That is, of course, different Silat. ;)
Is she saying that HIV was created to kill black people? Can't see that in the article. Seems to be saying that HIV was man made in the West, hence the headline. Otherwise I'm sure the headline would be 'Nobel peace Laureate claims HIV deliberately created to exterminate blacks'.
Seems some like a nice, comfortable straw man argument to vent over.
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So her saying that black people were dying the most from aids and saying that aids was made in the west for the purpose of mass extermination of people is evidence of her not linking the two together...
Ok dowding... :rolleyes:
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I need to point out though that nowhere does she claim that AIDS is a bio-weapon directed towards black people. Only that she thinks it is man made, and that it is killing more blacks than anyone else.
Everything else is just conclusion jumping by the usual suspects.
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Roll your eyes all you want. You remind me of one of the self-righteous brothers from a Harry Enfield sketch. Shame you won't understand that, but rest assured that if you caught a clip of it you would know exactly what I mean.
While she might be blaming the West for creating the virus, she is not saying it was created for the express purpose of exterminating the black race.
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Yes dowding all people who disagree with your worldview are some some sort of caricatures...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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She certainly is saying that it was targeted against Africans. There's a whole "society" of conspiracy nuts that agree with her.
She knows 25 million of the 35 million estimated cases of AIDS world wide are Africans.
She has made this claim before.
Others who would agree with her claim that AIDS was manufactured to offest the population explosion in the 3rd world. They point to a number of US government documents which they claim supports their belief.
Documents like NSSM 200 authored in the early '70s by Henry Kissinger. This document was marked top secret. It was de-classified in '90.
De-population should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World.
Reduction of the rate of population in these States [Third World nations] is a matter of vital US national security.
The US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries
Basically, the US has an economic interest in controlling 3rd world populations in order to maintain access to raw materials. "No AIDS for OIL"
As I said I don't believe she is a "crackpot" for saying such a thing. I believe she is conditioned into the idea of being a "victim". As such its easy to accept such non-sense.
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SOB... yes... whitey hates you. I have met you and can see why this is true. I can also sympathize with your plight as it is obvious after meeting you that most of your problems have been caused by whitey keeping you down.
dowding... did it ever occur to you that you are your own caricature? You are beyond predictable.... and you can rest assured on that.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dowding
Roll your eyes all you want. You remind me of one of the self-righteous brothers from a Harry Enfield sketch. Shame you won't understand that, but rest assured that if you caught a clip of it you would know exactly what I mean.
While she might be blaming the West for creating the virus, she is not saying it was created for the express purpose of exterminating the black race.
dowding no scientist here but didnt they trace hiv direct back to siv? and as bioweapon not very useful. takes to long to have effect. and bad as it sounds the mad scientists that make bioweapon are way better at job. they go for high communicability fast effect high lethality. what use a bioweapon like aids not going to do a damn thing to soldier in field or most civilian especially once word gets out.
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Cough *** cough*** I got a cold myself. Anyways I really doubt it because first of all they cant/havent even found a cure for the common cold. Second the aids virus although deadly can be easily contained compared to other diseases. A viral weapon would work very instantaneous, probably best if it were airborne in nature,and difficult to contain and deal with. Aids is actually a terrible biological weapon. It isnt powerfull enough to kill off an entire society or ethnic group because its too easily contained. Basicaly protected sex and stop eating monkeys will contain it.
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Unfortunately, the notion that AIDs was created by the whites to kill blacks has been stated among Black Clergy as well. Which I find surprising since most religion(s) which are not pagan encourage marriage, manogomy, and/or abstinence. During the black death in medieval times they had all sorts or weird ideas then too. Too bad science isn't really helping here. But then rational thought is a deliberate conscious act and emotions are much stronger.
If we must blame some western peoples, I vote we blame the French!
Regards,
Malta
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Originally posted by stantond
Unfortunately, the notion that AIDs was created by the whites to kill blacks has been stated among Black Clergy as well. Which I find surprising since most religion(s) which are not pagan encourage marriage, manogomy, and/or abstinence. During the black death in medieval times they had all sorts or weird ideas then too. Too bad science isn't really helping here. But then rational thought is a deliberate conscious act and emotions are much stronger.
If we must blame some western peoples, I vote we blame the French!
Regards,
Malta
Stop it! Stop it this instant! We don't need another unilateral and unconditional surrender and a flood of arms on the world market. :D
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If we really wanted to depopulate Africa, we wouldn't have to spread a virus, we could just flood Africa with machettes and wait. Wouldn't take all that long till they chopped each other up and into extinction. Sadly history is clear on that.
dago
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Aides is not that serious. I have aides. They help me lose weight.
As for AIDS, wow. Nice accusations.
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Well maybe the CIA experimented with monkeys as they researched for an effective bioweapon
but the critter escaped and got on a flight to africa where it got raped
and the rest is history.
see? I can also make up kooky conspiracies... see sig.
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Originally posted by lazs2
SOB... yes... whitey hates you. I have met you and can see why this is true. I can also sympathize with your plight as it is obvious after meeting you that most of your problems have been caused by whitey keeping you down.
Right on, brother!
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http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/essays.php?id=P82
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Originally posted by bigsky
http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/essays.php?id=P82
The fact is that Rhodesia exported food. Zimbabwe...........well why even go there. No doubt Ms. DuToit is a racist and so am I. :rolleyes:
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No War for Yams!:mad:
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I think we know where the term "wild monkey sex" came from, and why. What we just didnt know was it would start an epidemic.
But then without someone willing to hump a primate, MG would not exist.
dago
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I blame it on the unclean sexual habits of the FDB's.
And whitey.
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Originally posted by Dune
I blame it on the unclean sexual habits of the FDB's.
The disease spreads by masturbation? I did not know that either.
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Originally posted by Wotan
ABC Online
Nobel peace laureate claims HIV deliberately created.
09/10/2004.
ABC News Online
Last Update: Saturday, October 9, 2004. 10:09pm (AEST)
Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai, the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize, today reiterated her claim that the AIDS virus was a deliberately created biological agent.
"Some say that AIDS came from the monkeys, and I doubt that because we have been living with monkeys (since) time immemorial, others say it was a curse from God, but I say it cannot be that.
"Us black people are dying more than any other people in this planet," Ms Maathai told a press conference in Nairobi a day after winning the prize for her work in human rights and reversing deforestation across Africa."
To read the entire article click below:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1216687.htm
By saying the HIV virus was create in the west to delibrately kill Africans can we assume she meant "whites"?
Ok. God could you please resurrect Freddie Mercury, I think you made a mistake. :rolleyes: This idiot won a Laureate. :aok
Karaya
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Originally posted by Mini D
The disease spreads by masturbation? I did not know that either.
LOL HAHAHAHA . . . hey.
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Originally posted by Wotan
She certainly is saying that it was targeted against Africans. There's a whole "society" of conspiracy nuts that agree with her.
She knows 25 million of the 35 million estimated cases of AIDS world wide are Africans.
She has made this claim before.
Must have something to do with the fact they screw around like monkeys, have no medicine, doesn't use condoms, screw even when they know they have HIV...
Same thing with the ebola virus, when it has had an outbreak - people wants to hug their dead ones and what not!
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To be called a caricature by you Lazs is just too rich. You're a joke. A well used joke at that.
Anonymous - I don't agree with what she said, but disagree with some people's interpretation of it.
Wotan - you've yet to show me a statement of hers which directly states that AIDs was created to kill off Africans. Your first article does not say that. You say she had said it before - I'd be interested in seeing that.
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This took me about 3 minutes to find with Google. I just searched 'Wangari Maathai aids'
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=2642
By Amos Kareithi
As Prof Wangari Maathai received praise from President Kibaki and other Kenyans, she courted controversy on the issue of HIV/Aids and human rights.
Responding to questions from Asian and European media, the minister said although she had no proof, she felt that HIV/Aids targeted Africa.
"I want to dedicate the prize the African woman. I want to hold and embrace her. She has suffered so much and I feel this is an honour to her.
"Although I am a biologist, I have not done any research. I may not be able to say who developed the (HIV) virus but it was meant to wipe out the Black race," she said.
When she first blamed the HIV/Aids on "some sadistic scientists," the professor kicked a storm, leaving some experts outraged and others supporting her.
Initially, said Maathai, HIV/Aids was only concentrated in selected spots in the continent, only afflicting the "undesirable classes".
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Originally posted by storch
Nilsen :D
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I can quote Chris Rock with saying "Put the dick down...yes, you can put it down. Get a job...I don't care, you can get a job - get a job holding dicks - just whatever you do, stop ****ing..."
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dowding... to be called a joke by you is rich... you wouldn't know a joke if it bit you on the butt..
and you can rest assured on that.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dowding
Wotan - you've yet to show me a statement of hers which directly states that AIDs was created to kill off Africans. Your first article does not say that. You say she had said it before - I'd be interested in seeing that.
As I said she has made this type of statement before, a quick internet search will produce all you need. If you need verification of what am I claim she has said than all you need to do is type in "Maathai AIDS" in a search engine.
As you can see by McGroin's post that his search confirmed exactly what she has said previously. She claims that AIDS is a man made disease that was developed as a bio-weapon and it has been targeted against blacks.
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Just because someone is good in one area (ecology, in this case), doesn’t mean they know squat about other areas (virology).
For example, Nobel laureate Linus Pauling claiming Vitamin C cures cancer. Or some high school dropout rock star talking about politics.
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Fair enough, she is a tool. But your original post said nothing of the sort, Wotan.
Lazs, you're not worth my time. You can be rest assured of that.
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Crist, She is just one step above a witch doctor if she thinks that.
Who invents a disease to wipe people out that has to be spread by intercourse..
I can see that discussion at the CIA.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
There is a long illustrious history of crackpots winning the Nobel Prize.
And the Nobel Peace Prize goes to the well known and acclaimed Man of Peace : Yasser Arafat !
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Originally posted by Pongo
Crist, She is just one step above a witch doctor if she thinks that.
Who invents a disease to wipe people out that has to be spread by intercourse..
I can see that discussion at the CIA.
im willing to bet from personal experience with a couple of spooky guys that at least a couple of agent men are coming in to work before friday with self made "kiss me i invented aids in secret for the president" buttons. :)
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Unfortunately, I can believe that AIDS was intentionally created by man. I can see it being a form of population control, from some sick, demented perspective of some mad minds in a controlling position.
Anyone ever heard Chris Rock Talk about Illnesses & Cures? Hes right, they don't cure anything anymore. Theres no MONEY in finding a CURE. The Money is in treating the symptoms & prolonging death. Sad but True:(
Anton
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She is completely wrong.
I did it on accident.
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I dont know anyone with aids, can anyone provide some figures for Average/Typical Meds cost for someone with AIDS? I bet this will ad a whole new flare to this topic. Lets See....
Anton
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So lemme get this right so far...
The CIA developed AIDS and infected crack-addicted monkeys which they then subsequently released into Africa where its a known fact the black population has a thing for monkeys?
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Originally posted by anton
Unfortunately, I can believe that AIDS was intentionally created by man. I can see it being a form of population control, from some sick, demented perspective of some mad minds in a controlling position.
Anyone ever heard Chris Rock Talk about Illnesses & Cures? Hes right, they don't cure anything anymore. Theres no MONEY in finding a CURE. The Money is in treating the symptoms & prolonging death. Sad but True:(
Anton
How on earth is aids a form of poulation control?
It takes years to kill.
Is spread by intercourse.
Babies are apprently immune to getting it from infected mother if simple precautions are taken...
Its the worst population control device ever.
The best poluation control device in africa is stupidity as demonstared by this woman and a great deal of here compatriots on this and other issues.
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They also miss the point that it has been western charity and technology that has lead to their population growth.
Left on their own the would no large farming, no access to basic medicines and no one to stand between their conflicts and take care of their refugees etc...
Its just so much non-sense and typical of the dependent class.
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what he said.
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I blame the canadians.
lazs
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Hmmmm... white masturbating candians that happen to be FDBs are responsible. That narrows the list down considerably.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so it's ok to lie and sensationalize so long as the cause is just?
lazs
Sure is...
Kind of like sensationalizing the issue of WMD to make a case for war...then not finding any, then saying, "well, that doesnt matter, we got the regime changed..."
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actually grunz, it is an effective population control method, just like any lethal human-contact virus or disease.
like any epidemic, no matter if its slow or fast, there is a time where the casualties peak and stay peaked until the epidemic wears itself out (aka host population dies off so theres no further way to spread it or a cure is found).
If you look at how many people have died of this thing, its like having a full scale war somewhere in the world. Its in the millions. Millions who otherwise wouldve been alive today popping out more kids.
and this virus spreads through the one thing that almost every human will do at one point in their lives. and 1 time is all it needs to get infected.
but this woman claiming it targets africans is ludicrous.
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I see it as A currently incurable condition that is rather infectious. There are a great number of ways 1 can acquire aids without having sex. I cant say that I feel it has been targeted to any 1 group, but the fact that it quickly spread to the rest of the world, should not go unrecognized.
What other explanations can there be for the introduction of this epidemic? I would love to hear them, I am ignorant on the origin of aids.
Anton
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If you look at how many people have died of this thing, its like having a full scale war somewhere in the world. Its in the millions. Millions who otherwise wouldve been alive today popping out more kids.
actually, the Flu kill more people than aids does.
smoking and hamburgers too.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
actually, the Flu kill more people than aids does.
Thats mostly the elderly people I reckon
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Originally posted by Wotan
[BLeft on their own the would no large farming, no access to basic medicines and no one to stand between their conflicts and take care of their refugees etc...
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You should cut holes in that pillowcase to see bettar.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Thats mostly the elderly people I reckon
The 1918 influenza epidemic killed more people that year that all of the casualties suffered in WWI. It decimated the planet and not just the very young, elderly or infirmed either.
If an entity wanted to wipe out the population of an entire continent with a viral epidemic it would need to quarantine the subject continent first. Given the nature of modern travel the epidemic would be global rather quickly. The nobel laureate is a pinhead.
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not the same thing red bottom... If the sadman had no weapons then he was the dumbest torturing tyrant ever... We attacked him because he supported terrorism and the world said he had WMD and he had em before and he threw out the inspectors and violated UN sanctions.
He had em before and had no moral problem using them... if the inspectors left he would have the oportunity to use em again. I don't doubt that he would do everything in his power to aquire and use them again given any chance to at all.
lazs
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Originally posted by storch
The 1918 influenza epidemic killed more people that year that all of the casualties suffered in WWI. It decimated the planet and not just the very young, elderly or infirmed either.
If an entity wanted to wipe out the population of an entire continent with a viral epidemic it would need to quarantine the subject continent first. Given the nature of modern travel the epidemic would be global rather quickly. The nobel laureate is a pinhead.
As I recall, it was about flu's death count nowadays, not in 1918 and the past century.
At least thats the way it was said..
"actually, the Flu kill more people than aids does" -> 'kill', not 'killed'.
Of course a such flu could resurface some day again, but so far not during the existance of AIDS.
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Well europeans do have a genetic resistance to HIV, thanks to the plagues.
But I'd like to hear how in the hell she thinks that we had the technology in the 70s, and the money, and the motive to synthetically engineer a virus. Her answer would be entertaining.
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Originally posted by Suave
Well europeans do have a genetic resistance to HIV, thanks to the plagues.
Umm.. but europeans are dying to AIDS just alike?
Europeans have better hospitals, medication, condoms available all around, more responsible people..
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I said resistance, not immunity. D32 mutation. RIF
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Originally posted by lazs2
We attacked him because he supported terrorism and the world said he had WMD and he had em before and he threw out the inspectors and violated UN sanctions.
lazs
Laz, are you running a fever?
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It's not their color, it's their culture:
Africans prefer dry sex (http://archive.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/)
another link (http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/aah/dacey-groth_10_2.htm)
discussed here too (http://web.idrc.ca/en/ev-27490-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html)
Skuzzy, I understand if you decide to edit this... It's certainly not the most comfortable topic I can think of, but this is a well documented factor in the spread of AIDS in Africa that seems taboo in American academic discussion.
Dry, abrasive vaginas are seen as desirable in sexual intercourse in the vast majority of southern African cultures, notes an article in Tuesday's Village Voice. Aversion to moisture in penetration has inflamed the HIV/AIDS epidemic in this region.
Many men and women regard the smell of vaginal secretions as repulsive, the report says, plus they're embarrassed by the noise of wet sex. Dry vaginas that are swollen with friction are also tighter; this pleases the men because it makes them feel larger. One common belief holds that loose, slippery vaginas are evidence of infidelity.
Dry sex promulgates HIV/AIDS in three ways: The lack of lubricant results in lacerations in the delicate membrane tissue, making it easier for the lethal virus to enter. In addition, the natural antiseptic lactobacilli that vaginal moisture contains aren't available to combat sexually transmitted diseases. Finally, condoms break far more easily due to the increased friction.
Sub-Saharan women attain this dryness in various ways. Herbs from the mugugudhu tree are wrapped in a nylon stocking and inserted into the vagina for 10-15 minutes in a procedure that one woman described as "very painful." Mutendo wegudo (dry soil where a baboon has urinated) is a traditional Zimbabwean recipe. A crushed stone called "wankie" is also utilized, reports the Oct. 23, 1998, World African Network, as are potions called chimhandara ("like a virgin" in Shona) and zvanamina ("taste me only" in Ndebele). Shredded newspapers, cotton, salt and detergents are also used.
Young, educated, urban lovers are slowly slipping away from dry sex, but even in the cities, the practice is retained by 50 percent who regard wet intercourse as a Western import that seeks to emasculate men. Overwhelmingly, dryness retains its deadly lock in rural areas, despite attempts by HIV/AIDS activists to save lives through education.
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"Many men and women regard the smell of vaginal secretions as repulsive"
Vanilla stinks more than Chocolate, it's a fact!
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Nasty ways to dry the vagina :eek:
salt and stuff.... :(
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ouch.
:eek:
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You don't need ribbed condoms, just throw hand full of dirt soaked with baboon urine in there.
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Originally posted by Fishu
As I recall, it was about flu's death count nowadays, not in 1918 and the past century.
At least thats the way it was said..
"actually, the Flu kill more people than aids does" -> 'kill', not 'killed'.
Of course a such flu could resurface some day again, but so far not during the existance of AIDS.
In 2001, the flu (and other lower respiratory tract infections) killed 3.8 million people year worldwide. HIV/AIDS killed 2.9 million (WHO statistics).
Heart attack (6.8 million) and stroke (5 million) were the only diseases that caused more death.
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From where we again get to my original point of most of the flu casualties being elders or people with otherwise badly weakened immunity and/or strenght.
At least thats what I'd suspect.
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Originally posted by Fishu
As I recall, it was about flu's death count nowadays, not in 1918 and the past century.
At least thats the way it was said..
"actually, the Flu kill more people than aids does" -> 'kill', not 'killed'.
Of course a such flu could resurface some day again, but so far not during the existance of AIDS.
Friends, The 1918 Flu epidemic killed between 20 million and 45 million world wide depending on who you use as a source.
Currently the flu really just culls the herd, the 1918 epidemic decimated the planet.