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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on October 13, 2004, 12:31:23 PM
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The topic of killshooter comes up repeatedly and I'd like to get some straight feedback on two aspects of it.
First, how many times per month do you get killshot and how many hours do you play roughly?
Second, do you favor or disfavor killshooter?
Please do not discuss the mechanics of killshooter, alternatives to killshooter or the way multiplayer games work in this thread.
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I think I have killshootered myself twice in all the time I've flown in AH.
I think it is the best system that could be implimented to keep whining to a minimum.
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I only fly about five to ten hours a month now and have not been killshot in months. I can only recall five of six killshooter deaths in the four years that I've been subscribed to AH, most of them from hitting a friendly who's six I was trying to clear.
I think killshooter as it exists is a good thing and have not seen any alternative proposed that would be as good or better.
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A couple of times in 2 years. both times some hero flew right through my plane from behind while I was firing. I would rather see your ammo counter go to zero instead of killshooter personally.
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Probably under 10 times since I started flying Aces High. I'd like to say I've given a KS on purpose more than 10 to those guys 100- firing over your shoulder.
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I accidently casued somebody to killshooter for the first time (I know about) recently. I've been killshootered maybe 3 times in 2-3 years, lightly pinged a half dozen others.
Charon
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The #1 KS situation IMO,,,and happens way to often...
Your diving down to Drop eggs on VH, GV or Town with Jabo,
You Announce on range voxx your comin in... and someone goes low on strafe run at same tme,,,and your bombs hit him, KS.
The enemy guy who gets the credit always just happens to be a "Rival" of yours, and then taunts ya on chn200 or private
I hate that, lol
I dont think it should change, but if u hear someone announce that, or hear whistling sound of eggs comin down, watch out !:D
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I get killshot perhaps 3 times a year. It's always the same...I'm zoomed in firing at an enemy and someone flies between us, or someone strafes a town at low level just after I've dropped a bomb from 5-6k. Last night I had a 2 kill mission going and was strafing a GV, when a friendly goon flew over the GV very, very low. I stopped firing, but the cannon shells already on the way caught the goon in the cockpit, and blood splattered all over my cockpit and then I died.
Overall, though, the killshooter system is better than the alternative. I'd rather be victimized occaisionally, but unintentionally, than regularly and on purpose (which is probably what would happen).
MPLUTO
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From 1999 up to earl 2004 I averaged .11 occasions per month that I managed to shoot myself down due to firing on a friendly
Related poll: Posting a purile whine about any of those accidents?" I scored that as an incredible "zilch."
*for the mathematically challenged that is 4 times over the course of 36+ months of flying in AH.
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i'd say less than 10 times accidently over almost 3 years.
deliberately? well.. ummm heh... proabbly more than 10 times.
killshooter is fine the way it is, altho i'd personally like to see both shooter *and* shootee take damage. normal damage for the shootee, current damage for the shooter.
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I've been KS'd by bomb blast more than anything else...3-4 times maybe...once or twice via the ol "fly thru". Probably caused a few the same way so it evens out...
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Been playing AH now I think a little over 2 years.
I play easily on 3-5 hours per night.
I probably average less then 1 per every 6 months
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Originally posted by Shane
i'd say less than 10 times accidently over almost 3 years.
deliberately? well.. ummm heh... proabbly more than 10 times.
killshooter is fine the way it is, altho i'd personally like to see both shooter *and* shootee take damage. normal damage for the shootee, current damage for the shooter.
I don't know. Wouldn't that unfairly damage the guy in front that had no idea someone swooped in and was trying to steal his kill firing over his shoulder and hitting him before it was to late? It also could be abused by the 2nd - 4th ackack congo line chasers upset they didnt get the kill.
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Maybe 10-12 times in 2yrs.
I can't think of any one certain way i've been k/s. It's happened trying to clear nme's off friendly buff formations, they go boom, and my bullets keep going into the buffs. A couple times maybe dropin' an egg on a town w/ a friendly gv 2 close (that was more AH1 when bomb splash dmg was greater). A few times saddled up on an nme, and friendly zooms infront of me.
I've shot squadies and killshot myself 2many times to remember.
K/S never has bothered me much.
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In roughly 4.5 years of playing, I'd say about 5-6 times.
When a friendly flies in front of you, stop firing.
Like in WW2.
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I have only killshot my self with hispanos clearing friendly bombers and in 2 insane instances protecting the VH from Pork N' Run guys I killshot my self on friendly GVs :rofl
Total probably less than 10 times...
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I play a lot and almost never killshoot myself. Here is something to think about...If you have your tracers off and someone "zooms" in front of you dont be mad you got killshot.
I think it is great and works to make enemy fighters or you get a clear shot.
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Twice in 3 years. Stop pray and praying in a crowd, especially when the guy is already going down. :D
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I have died to killshooter maybe a dozen times in 3 years.
I favor killshooter.
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Since we have changed to AH2, almost never. The target area presented by the new FM is much smaller for both bogeys and friendlies, also the damage you can do to yourself by accidentally hitting a friendly is much less than in AH1.
All in all a marked improvement IMHO :)
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Maybe 6 times in three years.
I'm for it.
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Maybe a dozen times in my entire AH career, at the most. That doesn't include intentional killshootings, of course. ;)
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Lost 4 262's in one night... 3 of them were kill shots. Didnt mind a bit really. My bads... All three Kill shots where from me clearing Bombers' 6's with that Magic tater ripping on through and hitting the friendly Buff. But I killed the fighter that was after the buff's all three times. hehe :)
Sure, I was PO'd a bit. But what can you do? Its the way the game is. I've since decided not to go after cons who are going after friendly buffs. :)
Thats the most I've ever Kill shot myself ever. Not just in one tour.
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Mostly kill shot twice a month, But most of those are guys shooting tanks with spits, while i'm dropping bombs. This is cause most know he who fires bullets gets kill over guy dropping bomb to kill. I have been damaged by guys flying in front 1once a month i would think.
Every Bishop can tell you if i 'm going by guy on cons 6 i always say on range careful coming by. I never cut in fron if friendly catching. .
Mwreaper and myself & some others would. Try to kill shoot guys porking bases when you use to be able to really pork a base. we would ask them to stop if they didn't we would cut in front of them or dive under thier bombs. You Would be surprised how fast porking stops :)
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Except the intentional killshooter (one day I will shot you Saw !) may be 10 times in 4 years ?
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once a month.
Dunno flying hours out of head, but about 800 sorties a month or so.
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I'd say between 10-15 times spanning 3 years. Hasn't happened in a long time though.
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Originally posted by humble
I've been KS'd by bomb blast more than anything else...3-4 times maybe...once or twice via the ol "fly thru". Probably caused a few the same way so it evens out...
Yeah... the old "get bombs on the town, we have troops here!" Well, it turns out that the troops are in the middle of the town in an M3 while I'm at 6k in a formation of 17s ;) Quick trip to the tower for that one.
Other than in bombers, maybe twice in my time in AH... but then I don't shoulder shoot like some :rolleyes: (I know, I know, net lag, his FE, blah, blah, blah)
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I think I've shot kill myself about 6~7 times since beginning AH. I've never felt KS was a problem at all.
As for the second question, I like KS. Personally I think it was a very smart idea whoever came up with it. Forces you to watch your shots and be aware of friendlies nearby, and vice versa.
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I killed myself one time. I learned from that.
I like the killshooter because it keeps people from shooting over my shoulder and because without it, enemy players would be logging on to our side and shooting us at the base... It prevents an exploit. I'm surprised people don't seem to realize this.
I have once or twice had someone tell me that they killed themselves because I "Dropped in on them". Well, it wasn't intentional, I didn't know they were there... But I doubt they are being honest also, since I have never accidentally shot someone who dropped in on me... And it happens alot. You just let go of the trigger.
Some folks would rather risk it I guess.
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Only 1 killshoot for me with guns, but lost count of the number of times bombing has resulted in an abrupt end to the sortie.
In favour of it in general, maybe just a little tweaking is all. No matter you call your target and that bombs are coming in, there's a good chance some guy's gonna cross their path on a strafe.
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I do not bomb towns because of KS....be it dive bombing in a mossie, or level bombing in a Lanc...its a sure fire way to die as 20 other planes blissfully straif the town as the scream over vox about needing someone to drop bombs.
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Once every few months....
I completely dislike the kill-shoot because it always happens to me because someone flies threw my plane to steal my kill. Also i dont like hearing people purposely fly into someones bullets, doesnt seem right.
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I've been kill shootered twice this week alone. Both times was when I was firing on an enemy plane and some goofball flew into my tracer stream. (I have tracers ON btw) Both times I let go of the triggers, but bullets that were already in the air killed me.
I tryed flying with tracers off, but got kill shootered so many times that I turned them back on.
*edit* oops, forgot to answer a couple things. 1) I dislike kill shooter because to often if penalizes the wrong person. 2) I generally fly alot of hours, especially since I sold my Everquest account for cash.
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about 10 times in 16months i think....but then 3 of them was AR234s on take off, firing the RATO's and the rear facing cannons................ :mad: :rolleyes:
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have to say not too often and most times when i kill shoot ill know already that im gonna hit a friendly so ill let off the guns.
besides i fire in quick bursts of mabey 1-2 second bursts so even if i do hit a friendly it doesnt do to much damage.
but i like the kill shooter, nothing like being the closest plane on a enemy's tail and haveing rounds flying over your head from the 5 friendlys behind you trying to steal a kill, and knowing all you have to do is just pull up a bit into his stream to get him off your back:D
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Maybe 10-12 times in 2yrs.
I can't think of any one certain way i've been k/s. It's happened trying to clear nme's off friendly buff formations, they go boom, and my bullets keep going into the buffs. A couple times maybe dropin' an egg on a town w/ a friendly gv 2 close (that was more AH1 when bomb splash dmg was greater). A few times saddled up on an nme, and friendly zooms infront of me.
I've shot squadies and killshot myself 2many times to remember.
K/S never has bothered me much.
lol ^^^^^ about the same for me
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
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You play zero hours per month?? :p
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I cant remember the last time I killshootered with bullets. I get one once or twice every couple tours with the vulch...err i mean ground attack rockets.
Have no major problem with it, but I did like PNG better.
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only once recently; in a 262 of all things, lobbed a few 30 mm rounds out and saw a friendly come into sight picture; 1 hit sprite and I was in tower....oh well :(
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Ok yes someone is firing over your shoulder trying to steal your kill, that doesnt mean you should fly into their bullets.....i dont recall the last time Dick Bong and Thomas Mcquire did that.
i dont feel thats a reason to keep kill-shoot.
without it you might loose a few kills a month but its better then losing a kill to some arse that flies past you into your bullets, stealing your kill and in the process getting you killed....
kill shoot = Lose the kill, 1 death
No kill shoot = Kill friendly, get the kill and dont die.
i like the 2nd one better.
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Originally posted by DVDA
kill shoot = Lose the kill, 1 death
No kill shoot = Kill friendly, get the kill and dont die.
i like the 2nd one better.
Ok, but read the thread and you'll realize you're almost completely alone...
Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts but it seems like its not a popular notion with anyone but you...
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Originally posted by Murdr
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Have no major problem with it, but I did like PNG better.
Originally posted by Elfie
1) I dislike kill shooter because to often if penalizes the wrong person. 2) I generally fly alot of hours, especially since I sold my Everquest account for cash.
Originally posted by ALF
I do not bomb towns because of KS....be it dive bombing in a mossie, or level bombing in a Lanc...its a sure fire way to die as 20 other planes blissfully straif the town as the scream over vox about needing someone to drop bombs..
Originally posted by KurtVW
Ok, but read the thread and you'll realize you're almost completely alone...
Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts but it seems like its not a popular notion with anyone but you...
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not completely :D
i still think their should be a vote on it but hitech would never do that
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Come on DVDA, there are 44 responses including mine right now... 2 are you... 1 other of mine dosesn't count.. that leave 40 posts...
You found 3 to support your point of view... Hardly a resounding point you've made with this post of quotes.
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36 different people posted....
4 out of 36 isnt bad ;)
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Been playing since v.1.07 and have probably only have died from killshooter less than half a dozen times.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Murdr
You play zero hours per month?? :p
Well yeah, he's busy changing diapers!
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maybe 1, at tops 2
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I get a KS ping or two once every 4-5 months. I've only recieved lethal damage from it about 3 times in about 5 years (started in beta tour 1).
I see no reason to tamper with the way KS works now, it is better than any of the dozen alternatives that have been discussed to death.
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killshot only 3 times or so in 6 months, but ive seen others do it alltime, when im on a nme 6 and guy comes from my 6 shooting over my shoulder and boom he goes down! kinda funny too, when you already on the nme 6 and all over him, then they get mad, lol! learn to shoot better! :)
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Ill killshoot you.!!!
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i once accidentally pulled the trigger in a 262 on the runway taking off and hit furball, killing myself. other than that, maybe 2-3 times in 3 years, last time being the other day trying to clear someones 6. very rare occurance. i think most people that have high rates of KS (if there are any in that category) are the hordelings that have 8 friends chasing the same con. they deserve to be KS for hording.
now KS myself on purpose is another story...i love trying to vulch squaddies...prolly why my K/D sucks.
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twice in 12 months playing, i play regularly.
if a goodie flies infront of you, stop shooting. simple enough.
but then my aim was always better than my pilot skills :D
i am for killshooter.
CHECK THIS OUT: the damage mosel for kill shooter is superb. perfect in fact.
one boring morning i was winging with a squaddie in 190 A5s.
i was sat D100 off his tail, and decided to shoot some MG into his right wing. i fire, and sure enough, a neat row of holes appears in my wing right where i hit him. I shoot a few rounds into his left wing, same happens. i shoot a few into the base of his left wing, 4 little holes appear on the base of my left wing. I shoot into his tail, and can just make out a hole on the leading edge of my right tail plane. i shoot his rudder, my rudder falls off :)
i shoot into his cockpit and a hole appears in my canopy.
on and on i shot into his plane, in the end i had over 25 holes in my wings and tail, but i did not die nor lose more than my rudder.
finaly, i shoot some cannon into the center of his tail.
BOOM!
im dead.
excelent modeling HT, now i know that when a hole appears in my wing, that was the exact spot i was hit in.
batfink
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Once or twice a year.
I've been damaged a few times also.
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Let me be clear
Of all the gameplay concession we have to make, of all the little things that are required to keep the game fun....
Killshooter is the BEST when you take the cost -vs- benefit.
No other solutions would prevent so many issues so easily. Sure it sucks to be KS...but it sucks a lot less than A N Y other solution Ive seen put forth.
KILLSHOOTER has a huge net positive on gameplay...period.
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I can't remember if the original AW dos had killshooter. WB has it and AH of course. AW, WB and AH combined, I've killshootered myself probably less than 10 times.
Which proves that killshooter works.
Camo
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I have only had the killshooter happen a few times... a few at 20K+ in bombers, others caused my team-mates cutting in front of me when i am running someone down.
That being said, I hate killshooter, always will... I have had too many idiots jump in front of me in a dogfight. Flame me if ya like, but I think it is the most ummm how shall i say this??? "Light-in-the-loafers" element of the game. I have read posts in here from players bragging about causing a killshooter. Why not deduct points instead? Another possibility would be to have a "team kill" situation where the kill must be forgiven or a limit is reached and you're suspended from play. This does work in other games.
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once in AH I think
Killshooter is fine
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I can't remember the last time I git kill shootered...
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man... this must be some sort of jinx... I didn't remember the last time I got killshootered and after reading this post, I suffered from it twice in a row!