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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on October 15, 2004, 03:41:17 AM
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Few Americans would have voted for George W. Bush four years ago if he had promised that, as President, he would:
• Empty the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits.
• Cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans’ benefits and military pay.
• Eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and raise oil prices by 50 percent.
• Give tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encourage their departure.
• Give away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids.
• Involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, and
• Take a budget surplus and turn it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay.
These were elements of a hidden agenda that surfaced only after he took office.
The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda.
and more at
http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm
It's a slow load.
curly
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Lol. I'm gonna buy Curly a foil hat for Xmas.
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Thankfully John Kerry has a "Plan!"
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Curly, i wonder why you still bother...
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Curly, i wonder why you still bother...
Lol Saw. :) Saw me bucko, I simply don't like having a moron as president.
curly
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Someone emailed me this. Since I really don't follow U.S. politics in great detail, I was curious as to how much of this was true and how much was simply anti-democrat propaganda?
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Let me see have I got this straight?
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
Ahh, it's so confusing!
Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average
tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is
the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This
year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since
1991. It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice
anything special about those dates?
Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave
no explanation and provided no data for this claim.
Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are
wealthy men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas.
Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does
that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
Only three weeks until the election
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Originally posted by Badger
Someone emailed me this. Since I really don't follow U.S. politics in great detail, I was curious as to how much of this was true and how much was simply anti-democrat propaganda?
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You left one out, Badger. Bush isn't smart enough to be a dog catcher while Clinton was a Rhodes scholar.
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
It's a slow load.
curly
Sometimes that happens when you pinch a big loaf.
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And according to reports from 3 seperate news organasations I've just seen recently Kerry's so called "plan" will raise the deficit by 1.2 TRILLION dollars
So whats your point?
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Lol Saw. :) Saw me bucko, I simply don't like having a moron as president.
Perception: You're coming off as a moron here. Reality: I've met you and know you're not a moron.
You think you'd be able to figure things like that out curly. Actually, I'm quite suprised you can't.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar.
curly
Matthew Baugh a senior at Duke University who has been awarded a Rhodes scholarship in part for writing songs to educate Haitians about health practices.
No reflection on you Curly, but some the the outright dumbest folks I have ever witnessed had their walls papered with degrees and awards. Clinton couldn`t even do the deed without leaving a stain on the red dress. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
No reflection on you Curly, but some the the outright dumbest folks I have ever witnessed had their walls papered with degrees and awards. Clinton couldn`t even do the deed without leaving a stain on the red dress. :D
It was a blue dress and Clinton is pretty smart, he's convinced a generation of 1990's teenage girls that oral isn't sex thereby guarantying himself and endless supply of fellatio. One can hardly blame for that. Look at the shrew he shacks with :D
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Lol Saw. :) Saw me bucko, I simply don't like having a moron as president.
curly
Then you're in real trouble. You get a moron either way. :p
Glove
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Bush doesn't come across as the sharpest tack in the box but at least he isn't a self-confessed war criminal. Anyone that believes Kerry is more fiscally responsible or savvy will deserve what they get should he win. Too bad the rest of us will have to suffer too. If you think Kerry will lead the world to peace you oughta stop sniffing glue long enough to visit the real world for a few days.
If Kerry wins, I may vote democrat for a few elections in hopes that everyone sees once and for all the pitfalls of socialism and the mistake in ignoring or appeasing terrorists.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Bush doesn't come across as the sharpest tack in the box but at least he isn't a self-confessed war criminal. Anyone that believes Kerry is more fiscally responsible or savvy will deserve what they get should he win. Too bad the rest of us will have to suffer too. If you think Kerry will lead the world to peace you oughta stop sniffing glue long enough to visit the real world for a few days.
If Kerry wins, I may vote democrat for a few elections in hopes that everyone sees once and for all the pitfalls of socialism and the mistake in ignoring or appeasing terrorists.
I had never heard of Kerry say he took part in war-crimes(maybe I missed it), just that he had seen them take place.
but with Bush you get a guy who was indicted as a war criminal.
IIRC the charges were filed in Japan and related to the use of DU rounds (basically our own version of the nuclear 'dirty weapon' we were wanned the enemy could use on us). as far as I've been able to tell he never answered the charges.
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Anyone that believes Kerry is more fiscally responsible or savvy will deserve what they get should he win.
I find this statment extremely funny and .. well, it doesn't matter what else..
Considering Bush has run up the largest defecit in presidential history and increased the national debt more than ever in American history, I find it very hard to believe Kerry could do worse..
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I had never heard of Kerry say he took part in war-crimes(maybe I missed it), just that he had seen them take place.
but with Bush you get a guy who was indicted as a war criminal.
IIRC the charges were filed in Japan and related to the use of DU rounds (basically our own version of the nuclear 'dirty weapon' we were wanned the enemy could use on us). as far as I've been able to tell he never answered the charges.
http://suewidemark.com/historyinfo/kerrywarcriminal.htm
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I find this statment extremely funny and .. well, it doesn't matter what else..
Considering Bush has run up the largest defecit in presidential history and increased the national debt more than ever in American history, I find it very hard to believe Kerry could do worse..
Actually most financial experts beleive the both will do about the same
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didn't klinton flunk out of the rhodes scholar program?
curly doesn't want a moron for president... I would say that I don't want an effete, liberal socialist, cloistered intelectual for president.
lazs
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I am curious as to exactly what Kerry's GPA was in college.
Anyone know of any hard data?
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any of you guys want any of your college profs to be president? How bout scientists? know any scientists that you think would make good presidents?
lazs
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OMG...MiniWee was actualy nice to someone, I need to write this on a wall somewhere! :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually most financial experts beleive the both will do about the same
Most? I doubt that 'most' would want to speculate like that. Care to show 'some'??
Its of little matter actually. It seems Bush has already proven he can spend more than any other before.. lmao
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Most? I doubt that 'most' would want to speculate like that. Care to show 'some'??
Its of little matter actually. It seems Bush has already proven he can spend more than any other before.. lmao
I'm not opposed to spending money on the right thing. Reagan spent a lot to defeat the Soviet Union. Money well spent compared to the cost in lives a war may have cost later. Liberty and democracy in the middle east will pay dividends to our grandchildren and their grandchildren.
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But Curly...9/11...It's HARD work...9/11...It's HARD work...9/11, 9/11, 9/11
The man should be impeached for incompetence, not re-elected.
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LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!
(http://images.tvnz.co.nz/news/foreign_politics/bush_sharon_whitehouse.jpg)
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Originally posted by lazs2
any of you guys want any of your college profs to be president? How bout scientists? know any scientists that you think would make good presidents?
lazs
Physical scientists make poor politicians. They have little interest (or use) for people. College profs/admins (-physical scientists) frequently show up in politics. Woodrow Wilson?
Surely the above category would be better than someone who was binge drinker (read drunk) until his 40s. Each drunk costs you approximately 1,000 neurons (so I've read.) Old Georgie is short a bushel basket of neurons. :)
curly
curly
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Interesting followup.
http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Letters/letters.htm
curly
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So...klinton did not finish the program so he really isn't a rhodes scholar after all? Not that I really want one running things anyway.... for the most part our politicians are not made up of scholars and scientists... for good reason.... scholars and scientists have their heads up their butts.
To me it looks like klinton and Bush were doing about the same things but Bush was doing a better job. If you could stand to listen to him klinton was a better speaker tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
So...klinton did not finish the program so he really isn't a rhodes scholar after all? Not that I really want one running things anyway.... for the most part our politicians are not made up of scholars and scientists... for good reason.... scholars and scientists have their heads up their butts.
To me it looks like klinton and Bush were doing about the same things but Bush was doing a better job. If you could stand to listen to him klinton was a better speaker tho.
lazs
I did not have sex with that heiffer...er.... um well the lambs, that's another story :D
his speeches were fun.
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so far as I've seen clintons lies didn't get anyone killed.
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Originally posted by lazs2
So...klinton did not finish the program so he really isn't a rhodes scholar after all? Not that I really want one running things anyway.... for the most part our politicians are not made up of scholars and scientists... for good reason.... scholars and scientists have their heads up their butts.
To me it looks like klinton and Bush were doing about the same things but Bush was doing a better job. If you could stand to listen to him klinton was a better speaker tho.
lazs
A Rhodes Scholar is granted sufficient funds to study at Oxford (GB) for two to three years. Clinton did so.
If you really think Bush & Clinton did about the same thing, you are either drunk, dumb or simply trying to get my goat. :) Since I know you pretty well, I suspect you're after my goat.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html
curly
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Badger, most of your quoted post contains nothing more than BS assigned positions that I've never heard any Democrat make, let alone all Democrats.
IE:
Clinton loves children...bad.
Bush eats children...good.
Ahh, it's so confusing!
"Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)."
That's a lie.
"John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, together own several homes, but since they signed a prenuptial agreement and have kept their premarital assets separate, a Boston townhouse (which John Kerry mortgaged in 2003 to finance his presidential bid) is the only one of these homes that they technically own as a couple."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp
"Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does
that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own."
That's an assumption, besides what was Kerry's personal income and what was Bush's?
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Lol Saw. :) Saw me bucko, I simply don't like having a moron as president.
curly
so having a pompous arrogant arse who says what you want to hear is better?
get real...
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Originally posted by AKcurly
A Rhodes Scholar is granted sufficient funds to study at Oxford (GB) for two to three years. Clinton did so.
If you really think Bush & Clinton did about the same thing, you are either drunk, dumb or simply trying to get my goat. :) Since I know you pretty well, I suspect you're after my goat.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html
curly
Naw Bush and Clinton did not do the same thing.
Bush served in the military...
Clinton ran to England to escape the draft...
Try Again.
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you own a goat too?
I was refering to badgers post. It really is a matter of perception. I didn't see how klinton did anything any "smarter" than Bush. gutting the military is not exactly the way to balance the budget IMO although it is an often used ploy.
lazs
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Originally posted by Bodhi
so having a pompous arrogant arse who says what you want to hear is better?
get real...
first, it's not better. second, Bush rarely tells me what I want to hear.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Naw Bush and Clinton did not do the same thing.
Bush served in the military...
Clinton ran to England to escape the draft...
Try Again.
I believe Lazs was referring to how they served in public office.
I would never compare Clinton's military record to Bushes. Bush was AWOL for a year serving in a unit that he gained access through political privilege. He's a real military vet, alright. :rolleyes:
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Bush was AWOL for a year :rolleyes:
curly
Kerry faked his medals, and I have just as much military evidence for that charge as you do for yours...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Kerry faked his medals, and I have just as much military evidence for that charge as you do for yours...
IF Kerry faked his medals, Rove would have been on that like a bird dog on a hot dog. On the other hand, there are at least two places offering a $25,000.00 reward for proof that Bush wasn't AWOL. No takers on the reward yet.
Weak, Grun, weak. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
IF Kerry faked his medals, Rove would have been on that like a bird dog on a hot dog. On the other hand, there are at least two places offering a $25,000.00 reward for proof that Bush wasn't AWOL. No takers on the reward yet.
Weak, Grun, weak. :)
curly
You still have no evidence....
But somehow you think that these stunts prove anything..
And there is no IF regarding Kerry's faked medals, he faked them!!! I have just as much evidence of that as you do of yur story.. :rolleyes:
Maybe we can get the swift boat vets group to set up a prize of $50,000 to antyone who can prove that Kerry didnt fake his medals. Yea that will be great.
Of course that proof couldnt use any official military papers because those are fake and pointless or whatever and they dont count just like Bush's honorable discharge papers..
So yea curly, your crap was weak - though the honest self-assesment of yor post was refreshing...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You still have no evidence....
Sure I do Grun - already gave it!
Rove hasn't tried to say Kerry's medals weren't earned - indeed, Bush said they were, therefore they are legitimate.
OTOH, no one has collected the $25k reward offer that Bush wasn't AWOL for a year. In particular Dubya & Co. hasn't collected the reward. Therefore, Bush was AWOL.
curly
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Ya Curly... that's right. Of course this wouldn't be a case of "that's not proof!" I mean... it's not like we haven't seen that from the dems already this year.
This year has been the worst example of lying followed up with "oh yeah, PROVE its a lie" that I've seen. There used to be a time when you had to "prove it was true". Welcome to the internet.
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With regards to the Kerry/GPA thing...
What kind of ******* goes through college worrying about some numbers and a decimal point. Blah, gimme the guy who drank himself under the table and isn't capable of being a 'smooth' politician any day of the week.
I trust the man to make the best decisions for America without world opinion to back him. When it comes to defending my country, f*ck world opinion. My views are that simple and uncomplicated. I admire the man for him telling the French and Germans to f*ck off when they tried to get in on the rather lucrative Iraqi rebuilding contracts. I know back in the spring of '03 when this all started that I smiled when the president announced that he had intelligence that Saddam was in a building and then he acted on that intel by dropping a bomb on the building.
I've seen time and time again in the debates that Kerry/Edwards try to get away with "Terrorist" references trying to spin things so that the definition includes ONLY September 11th terrorists. I laugh out loud at some of the things he says. I believe that Saddam would have loved to attacked the U.S. but if any paper or money trail was tracable to Iraq, he was smart enough to realize that would have been his demise. I am certain that he put money into the pockets of terrorists, even those responsible for the September 11th attacks. Finding those trails are not going to be easy and I am not surprised we haven't because they don't use electronic funds transfers. They use a guy on a bicycle with an envelop stuffed in his turbine to move the money from A to B. Such low tech and high secruity measures on the parts of terrorists (only talking with whom they know or grew up with) make infiltrating them very difficult and any progress made in this area will not be seen on the evening news.
Anyway, screw John Kerry and his 'plan', his 'global test' and his botox. I don't trust him to do what is best for the country. The global test itself implies he will seek approval from the world before we make a decision in our interest...that is just stupid. Bush gets my vote, not because I'm registered as a Republican (I am not) but because John Kerry oozes with distrust and dishonesty. My favorite quote from him this entire campaign and debates is... "Well, I'm a lawyer too." when asked a question that referenced his running mate, Edwards and his profession of ambulance chaser.