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Play it straight? Not Kerry
By Howie Carr
Recent Columns by Howie Carr
Friday, October 15, 2004
John Kerry began his campaign running as a war hero, and he's ending it as Howard Stern.
``I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter,'' he said Wednesday night, ``who is a lesbian. . . .''
Yes, but is she hot, Howard, er, Senator? Will she appear on the next segment of Lesbian Dating?
But John Kerry [related, bio] is a liberal, so he can count on a free ride from his fellow Beautiful People on this cheap shot. His campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, went so far as to say the vice president's daughter is ``fair game.''
Is this the same Mary Beth Cahill who began her career working for Barney Frank? Remember Barney's dear friend, Steve Gobie, aka Hot Bottom? If you mentioned the congressman was fixing parking tickets for his live-in male prostitute, that was ``homophobia.'' That was ``hate speech.''
Mention a gay Republican, that's fair game.
You're not supposed to talk about how Kerry won't release all his military records, or the fact that his billionaire wife won't release her tax returns, or the fact that he confessed, under oath, to being a war criminal.
All that stuff is below the belt.
Mary Cheney, though, is ``fair game.''
God forbid Kerry should have mentioned Dick Gephardt's lesbian daughter Chrissy, or Gov. Jim McGreevey, who put his own personal Hot Bottom on the New Jersey state payroll for more than $100,000 a year.
They're all untouchable. They're liberals. Mary Cheney campaigns for her father, so she's . . . fair game.
Granted, Kerry didn't technically ``out'' her, but that doesn't matter with liberals. A number of years ago, I was the ``leader'' of a study group at Harvard - OK, it was Camelot High, the Institute of Politics. (A guy told me that once I had Harvard on my resume, I would no longer be regarded as a pariah. He was wrong.)
Anyway, right before the five-week class started, I wrote a column about a bar owner - it was a gay bar, the guy lived on Appleton Street, wore a full-length fur coat and died of AIDS. The gays said I ``outed'' him.
The first day I walked into the classroom, I had to cross a picket line. They were protesting me, for ``outing'' their friend.
Do you think Sen. Kerry, or his running mate, John Edwards [related, bio], will face any picket lines in the days ahead?
It's amazing how much you can get away with if you're a Democrat. If Bill O'Reilly had any sense, he would call a press conference to announce he's voting for Kerry - that would be the end of that story.
Kerry gets the same free pass on everything. Following in Bill Clinton's footsteps, he slurred Italians, and as with his hero, it was a one-day story.
Kerry calls his fellow Americans not countrymen, but ``countrypeople.'' But nobody mentions it. He says rights are ``given'' by the courts. He even admits, in answering the final question, that he is a gigolo.
``We all married up. Some might say me more than others. But I can take it.''
Considering the alternative was sleeping in your car, and at the time you owned a convertible, you're damn right you could take it.
And then there were those three final words from his mother as she lay dying.
``Integrity. Integrity. Integrity.''
That wasn't just an admonition for him, it was a deathbed message for the voters about how far her son can be trusted. Just don't expect to read it in the mainstream media.
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While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.
When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?
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Originally posted by rpm
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.
When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?
Really? You know that Cheney's daughter is unhappy or even looking to get "married"? Or is this all slanderous supposition on your part?
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Originally posted by rpm
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.
When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?
Just a reminder, Clinton signed the defense of marriage act not Bush.
BTW
Bush gave a reasonable answer to the debate question on a constitutional amendment. he said that by having the states debate it more people will be involved in the process. I think it is safe to say the amendment would pass easily based on the polls I have read.
Europeans correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that in some Euro countries you must still have a civil ceremony even if you have had a religious one for all the state benefits to be legal. That sounds like a perfectly sensible compromise to me.
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I thought this thread was going to be much more interesting than this.:(
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Originally posted by AKIron
Really? You know that Cheney's daughter is unhappy or even looking to get "married"? Or is this all slanderous supposition on your part?
Dick Cheney said he believes in civil unions but supports the President. He's between a rock and a hard place. Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic.
Krusher, I don't support any law that segregates. No matter who signs it. And I agree that this is a state's rights issue.
This is just smear/countersmear over a relatively minor issue. If the situation was reversed the Republicans would have fired the first salvo. Smoke and mirrors to distract from more important domestic issues and polarize splinter groups of voters.
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Originally posted by rpm
Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic.
Thats just nonsense. You couldn't prove it with a week of googling.
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I just love how liberals use the word Homophobic to describe anyone who doesn't support gays.
Just because someone dosn't think a guy should pack fudge with another guy means he a Homophobe.
Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic /-'fO-bik/ adjective
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Originally posted by Krusher
Thats just nonsense. You couldn't prove it with a week of googling.
LOL I don't have to Google. I live in Texas and have a memory. He supported the Texas Sodomy Law that was struck down by the Supreme Court. The law that would have made Cheney's daughter a criminal. If you want specific quotes, yeah...I can Google you some or you can do it yourself. "Bush Sodomy Texas" ought to work. Let me know what you found.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
I just love how liberals use the word Homophobic to describe anyone who doesn't support gays.
Just because someone dosn't think a guy should pack fudge with another guy means he a Homophobe.
Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic /-'fO-bik/ adjective
I love it when conservatives lob one right over the plate.
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Originally posted by rpm
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.
When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?
You do not have to agree with your children's behavior in order to love and support them. You do not even have to give up your personal mores. All you must do is love and support them.
This is a quite common trait in parents.
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Originally posted by rpm
LOL I don't have to Google. I live in Texas and have a memory. He supported the Texas Sodomy Law that was struck down by the Supreme Court. The law that would have made Cheney's daughter a criminal. If you want specific quotes, yeah...I can Google you some or you can do it yourself. "Bush Sodomy Texas" ought to work. Let me know what you found.
By your definition Clinton is a homophobe for signing the DOMA in to law.
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For those with A.D.D.
Originally posted by rpm
Krusher, I don't support any law that segregates. No matter who signs it. And I agree that this is a state's rights issue.
What did that Google search turn up Krusher? Keep pace with the discussion.
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Originally posted by rpm
For those with A.D.D.
What did that Google search turn up Krusher? Keep pace with the discussion.
Like I said you can't prove your assertion that bush is anti-gay or a homophobe. The law your hiding behind was made by a democratic legislature and signed into law under a democratic governor, not bush. Being a Texan you should know that without googling, but feel free to look it up.
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OK rpm where does "discrimination against " fit in?
Because Gays want more rights than others and Bush is against that?
And don't give me the lame Liberal BS of "They want to be able to marry the person they love just like you".
They have the same rights I do. Marriage of a Man and a Woman!
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Since you won't admit it...source (http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/texas/txeditorial03.htm) Results 1 - 10 of about 30,300 for Bush Sodomy Texas. (0.25 seconds)
Washington—Today, the National Stonewall Democratic Federation, the national organization of gay and lesbian Democrats, applauded the ruling of the Texas Fourteenth Court of Appeals that struck down the state’s anti-gay sodomy law that was strongly supported by Gov. George W. Bush.
In 1998, the Houston police arrested two men for having sex in the privacy of their own home. They were held in jail for over 24 hours before being released on bond. Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund represented the two men in a county criminal court, which refused to dismiss the charges on constitutional ground and found the men guilty as charged. Lambda appealed the case to the 14th Court of Appeals.
Justices on the Courts of Appeals in Texas are elected by voters in the state, and the three justice panel hearing this appeal ruled that the Texas sodomy law "violates the Texas Equal Rights Amendment’s guarantee of equality under the law" by making the same behavior criminal "for some but not for others, based solely on the sex of the individuals who engage in the behavior."
The Texas sodomy law criminalizes private consensual sexual activity between same-sex adult couples. Texas is one of a handful of states that singles out gay people by banning adult sexual intimacy only between people of the same sex. Gov. George W. Bush has publicly supported the sodomy law, calling it a "symbol of traditional values" and said that he would veto any attempt to overturn the law legislatively. The state Republican Party platform also explicitly opposes the decriminalization of sodomy, stating that "the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society" and "contributes to the breakdown of the family unit."
Any comments? There's 30,299 sources to go.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
OK rpm where does "discrimination against " fit in?
Because Gays want more rights than others and Bush is against that?
And don't give me the lame Liberal BS of "They want to be able to marry the person they love just like you".
They have the same rights I do. Marriage of a Man and a Woman!
There are LOTS of situations where they are discriminated. Health insurance and family law are 2 that come to mind.
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Originally posted by rpm
Any comments?
Krusher?
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Originally posted by rpm
Since you won't admit it...source (http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/texas/txeditorial03.htm) Results 1 - 10 of about 30,300 for Bush Sodomy Texas. (0.25 seconds)
Any comments? There's 30,299 sources to go.
30,299 sources that do not prove your claim that:
"Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic. "
again if we use "your" definition, we can sweep a lot of people into that category. It is a silly broad based accusation without a trace of merit.
google on
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Originally posted by Krusher
30,299 sources that do not prove your claim that:
"Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic. "
again if we use "your" definition, we can sweep a lot of people into that category. It is a silly broad based accusation without a trace of merit.
google on
My definition? I believe it was Mighty1's definition. It also happened to be the US Supreme Court's definition as well. Ignoring the fact does not mean it has no merit.
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30,298 to go...
source (http://atheism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/texas/txeditorial06.htm)
by Bryan Wildenthal,
Associate Professor of Law, Thomas Jefferson School of Law
In the 1994 governor’s race, George W. Bush (whom Mr. Carpenter now supports for President) chose to make an issue out of Richards’s support for decriminalizing gay sex. She maintained her support for decriminalization, but Bush declared (and has never recanted to this day) that he would veto any bill doing so, because it was important to keep on the books a "symbolic" statement against homosexuality. Bush’s gay-baiting doubtless contributed to his defeat of Richards. Bush is now governor, but has said nothing about the recent prosecution (noted by Mr. Carpenter) of two men for having sex in the privacy of their own home. Mr. Carpenter calls it "Richards’ law" but Bush is now the chief executive of the state which is prosecuting these men. He could pardon them at any time but has done nothing. Bush is leader of the Texas State Republican Party (does anyone believe he could not engineer anything he wanted in the local party which is his lapdog?) yet he has done nothing to stop (has not even spoken out against, other than a lame call to avoid "name calling") the state party banning even the conservative gay Log Cabin Republican group from having a booth at the state Republican convention.
Gov. Richards, by contrast, was the first (and remains the only) governor in Texas history to take consistently pro-gay stands on political issues. She was the first (and remains the only) Texas governor to appoint openly gay people to offices in her campaign and administration, including her protege and supporter Glen Maxey, now an openly gay state representative from Austin.
If Mr. Carpenter wants to oppose and attack Democrats and work for the election of a proven homophobe like George W. Bush, that’s his business. But it is outrageous, and verges on libelous falsehood, for him to knowingly misrepresent, as he has, the record of a great progressive Governor like Ann Richards.
A history of anti-gay policy since 1994. Enough merit yet?
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Originally posted by rpm
There are LOTS of situations where they are discriminated. Health insurance and family law are 2 that come to mind.
Every health insurance app I have seen has a box for
SSP=same sex partner. So they can be covered. Can't do that for a live in girlfriend now can you?
If his daughter were a drug addict should he be for or against legalizing drugs?
The point is you can have a Gay child and not like it, or want to see laws passed to protect it.
And you still haven't show that GW is "phobic" afraid of Gays.
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JBA you are in Mass. It was one of the first states to allow SSP's(A Democrat backed issue). Yes, you can with a live in girlfriend as well. It's called common law marriage. For you to say that you would not want laws passed to protect your own child is either heartless or not thought thru thoroughly. Good God man.:confused:
The longer I thought about this the madder I got. If we are to suppose that gay children are not worthy of protection under the law, at what age do we apply this rule? 18, 14, 6? You know there was always that "Gay" kid when you were in school. Is he protected under the law? I mean, you know he's just gonna be a "queer" anyway, let's just hurry up the system and save some time. We could turn lives around. We could set up a program to ship them off so they won't be a family embarassment. A program just like the Texas sodomy law Bush swore to defend. Put them in jail. Subject them to assault and ridicule until they conform to what you think is acceptable behavior, or at least behavior subject to their parole. It's no wonder you don't think Bush is a homophobe. Landslide Bush, You know...for kids!