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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Thrawn on October 15, 2004, 05:33:22 PM
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US - 22% of the federal budget.
http://www.kowaldesign.com/budget/percentages.html
Canada - 18% of the federal budget.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/budget04/brief/briefe.htm
Wierd eh? Now this does not take into account Provinical outlays which are were the majority of money comes from. But I didn't realise that the US federal goverment spent so much on the US "capitalist" healthcare system.
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Capitalist health care in the US!? Where have you been hiding for the last 30 years?
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IIRC it's about $5500 per person in the US and about $3800 per person in Canada.
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Originally posted by Torque
IIRC it's about $5500 per person in the US and about $3800 per person in Canada.
I had thought about this issue quite of few months ago. Perhaps the reason the US has to spend so much on healthcare is because of gross ineffientcies in there socialist aspect, and not so much the capitalist.
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And by every measure, the canadian system is more effective.
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Originally posted by Pongo
And by every measure, the canadian system is more effective.
Except response time.
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Those numbers don't represent the real picture, one is universal and one is not.
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And by every measure, the canadian system is more effective.
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Thats called propaganda.
I do not see americans in any number racing up to canada to experience socialist medicine. We do see globs of seniors hiking up there on pleasure trains for the cheap conterfeit import drugs from malaysia......and of course, the occasional dope head getting his medicinal weed......
Although I haven't heard much about it these last few years, there was a influx of canadians a while back seeking emergency surgery here in the lousy miserable failing states of america because the waiting lines in the wonderful socialist peoples clinics of canada often had patients dying before they could get past the waiting periods needed for life saving surgeries.
canada grows good weed though, go figure.
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Damn shame that it is so effective that Canadians needing care have to come to the US to get it.
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By every measure. Canadians are more healthy then Americans. Our health care system is far more effective. All for a hell of alot less then Americans pay.
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Originally posted by Pongo
By every measure. Canadians are more healthy then Americans. Our health care system is far more effective. All for a hell of alot less then Americans pay.
haha....
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Just the simple truth.
You pay way way more for way way less.
The elite medical care in your country is the best in the world. But the average is weak. Just like in education. The elite level is the best in the world. The average is weak.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Just the simple truth.
You pay way way more for way way less.
The elite medical care in your country is the best in the world. But the average is weak. Just like in education. The elite level is the best in the world. The average is weak.
I have been treated and "cured" of cancer while making about 10.00 an hour, no out of pocket expenses. I do not know anyone who has ever been denied health care.
Even illegal imigrants can get healthcare here, regardless of ability to pay.
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Our minimum equals your best, and those that pay nothing still get it.
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Naw. Our best is just fine. Our average is better then your average.
And everyone pays their bit.
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Push about 15% of your population through as illegal immigrants who do not pay in and tell me how your system works. And tell me how many MRI machines you have in your system, while you are at it.
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Bud. If you would like I could pull out some more uncomfortable facts about the capabilitys of the 2 systems. I have access to exaclty those numbers via my work.
But your not dealing with proofs very well today..maybe it would be a bit much for you.
Canada has longer life spans.
less infant mortality.
etc etc.
There are dozens of criteria in measureing a health care system and ours wins the over whelming majority vs yours. And its way cheaper. And its universally available.
We do not have your illegal imagrant probelm. its true. But your being kind of neive about why those illegal imegrents are there. The US economy needs them. Thats why they are there.
Your GDP, one of your great acheivements needs those illegal low payed workers..period.
NUKE. You didnt say how your cancer treatement was paid for. Care to elaborate.
None of this stuff is free. Here or in the US.
Ya we could use more MRIs. More docters. etc. We have what we can afford. We have a 9 billion dollar fedral budget surplus. Next year will direct some of that to health care.
But our system is a great system That achieves its stated role of providing universal excellent health coverage.
It is not as good as what Toad got for his troubles for every person in canada... To state the obvios neither is the system in the US that good for everyone in the US. No nation could afford that.
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Pongo.......your country is so damned puny to begin with. Like I have said in other posts, the entire population of canada is about one third the total population of the largest county in california (LA county). You folks are a wonderful little tiny outfit of a country its just amazing to me you dont rule the world.
Whats really funny to me is this: If you had even a minute fraction of doctors in the United States, say 1/10 of ONE PERCENT say to their patients, "go to Canada, for there is the fruit of the world" your tiney little pipsqueek national healthcare system would break down at a moments notice.
Now go drink your warm milk and eat your cookies boy, because your playing with the big boys and your balls just dont show up on radar.
PEACE......OUT
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You have a lovely country and a stout people, S! Your medical system works for you, and that is good. It could not work for us, but ours is doing quite well, though taxed beyond it's means by the increase in non-stakeholders, lawyers, and paperwork. None of which would be changed, even if we switched to the Canadian method.
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Originally posted by Pongo
And by every measure, the canadian system is more effective.
met some rich canadians overseas. was having drinks with them. they mentioned that they had special insurance that covered if they had to go to us for time critical operation. they were telling me how waiting list in canada is not efficient if someone think they have cancer might have to wait for long time for scan. so many go to us and pay for scan next day in cash. does this ring true with what you know being canadian? they were nice but i didnt know them personally. they could be biased of course.
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The people you met were probably telling the truth. I know a family friend that developed lung cancer and tried every thing that the canadian health care system would and could do for him. After expending all that(burning up every tax dollar that his family had ever put into the system) his family (3 grown sons) all took out second mortages on thier homes to fly him to California to get a full lung transplant.
He died 2 months after he got back.
That option was not avialable to the family in Canada. The story could have well have ended with him jumping up like mr burns revived and rejuvinated with a young mans blood transfusion. But I doubt it.
They never got the chance to try in canada. The resources to do so are focused by the system to cases they think they can help with.
The family was free to mortage thier own grand kids futures to try and save a life long smoker from his fate. But they were not free to use up my tax dollars doing so beyond what was reasonable.
They could have bought the kind of medical insurance that you mentioned. I know of no one here that has it. And I travel in fairly afluent circles.
And thanks. I do live in a great little country!
Try what we did Liz.
The max you can be awarded for pain and suffering in Canada is 360 000 I think. Period. And that is very rare.
Nasty little socialists arnt we.