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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on October 15, 2004, 06:17:08 PM
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Who wants this plane in the game?
I think we could use 2 models, a later one for the Pussians and a P39D or P400 for the Pacific..
Whaddaya think?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Who wants this plane in the game?
I think we could use 2 models, a later one for the Pussians and a P39D or P400 for the Pacific..
Whaddaya think?
sounds Good!
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HERE!! Grun you read my mind.
I wont punt it, but check it out :) (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=108692&referrerid=3089)
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pussians...lol
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Definately !
Two models:
P-39Q-10
and
P-63A-10
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Oh, yes please.
We're gonna need them for the FinRus Brewster vs Airacobra or 109G2/G6 vs Airacobra. :)
Here's a Q15:
(http://www.vaskuu.cx/albums/ksim/2004_06_05_069.sized.jpg)
edit: more photos (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/p39.html) , for example:
(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/p39003.jpg)
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Just fly the Yakasourus at 75% throttle and imagine your in a P-39. :D
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A D , N and Q would be great. However, we need an earlier 38 next I think. It helps Western ETO, Med, and Pac.
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Yes to P-39. My half-brother buzzed our house in one before he went overseas.
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My number one choice!
It’s probably the most important US fighter not represented in AH. I’m especially biased because I live with a US P-39/P-63 pilot.
eskimo
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Absolutely yes! ASAP!
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Hell has frozen over, pigs are flying, and I agree 100% with GRUNHERZ.
MRPLUTO
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Wow. That is really the 37mm m4 in front there. very cool.
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I asked for this plane almost a year ago. :)
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The P-39 is a very perty bird.
Panzzer, thank you very much! Those photos are invaluable when skinning and adding scratches/weathering.
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The P-39 is gonna make Eastern Front setups rock!
I've always wanted to see it in AH. :)
(http://hem.passagen.se/galland/Rechlak.gif)
Grigory Rechkalov's P-39; probably one of the, if not THE, most famousP-39 in WW2 history..!
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Skip the P63 as it did not see combat but the 39 would be most welcome. As folks know from the daily Earl Miller posts in the Aircraft forum, many of us have an old AW/AH friend who was a P39 pilot in the Med flying 39s in North Africa, Sicily and Italy up until they transitioned to Jugs in August/September 44. So the USAAF was flying it against the LW that late in the game
Here's Earl in his P39 "Eloise"
I think it would be a great addition
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1097901440_eloise2.jpg)
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I've always wanted a P-39/P-400. And a P-63.. which I think is actually probably the last plane that would see any significant use in the MA once it was added, now that we are getting the Ki-84.
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Would be a nice tribute if we ever do get the P-39 that the default skin is "Eloise".
ack-ack
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Yes! The Q please
and may as well make it a clean sweep with a T-2 and a deployable 85mm Flack Battery :aok
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Yes, it's a pacific time!
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Pilots often said a P-400 was just a P39 with a zero on it's tail :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've always wanted a P-39/P-400. And a P-63.. which I think is actually probably the last plane that would see any significant use in the MA once it was added, now that we are getting the Ki-84.
What do you define as "significant?"
For example a Fiat G55 might see a good bit of use.
A larer model Spit IX LF would definitely a lot of use.
So where is your boundry?
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I'd define "significant" as any level of use approaching the level that the top planes see now.
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Did the P-63 really not see any combat? If not with the USAAF then surely with the Soviets and the Free French forces...
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Count me in (Magoo)
I don't know how the P-39 kept from being added this long. Yea it was rumored to be a "dog", but so is the P-40 in this game and we have two models. There were 9000 + made with what 5000 + going to the Reds? So make two models, a Rusky and a USA/Pac model.
For early war setups the P-39 is a must. It was a little faster than a Zero and you really got to like that door entry into the cockpit;)
In the MA most of the fights are 10K and under so it's most publisized shortcoming, poor performance at alt, would not be as big a factor.
How did the potato gun compare to similar cannon in the game? I think it also had 2 50s in the wing and 2 30s in the nose right? Or is that the other way around?
I'm guessing the P-39 would have a cult following almost as large as the Jug in the game.
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It had 2 .50's in the nose with 250 rpg and 4 .30's in the wings with 1,000 rpg... the 37mm had 30 rounds.
Does that answer your qwuarstion square'arse? :D
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Thanks VWE! Now I know what I'll be killing you with :aok
Magoo
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Wow...thirties, fifties, and a 37mm 'big macho gun'. Sounds like something I'd rather be behind, or flying myself :D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Skip the P63 as it did not see combat
The P-63 was used extensively in the Soviet Air Force. They had 2,400 of them! I find it hard to believe they weren't in combat.
I'd love to see it in AHII in SAF markings.
If you're a P-39 fan, you should read Conversations with N. G. Golodnikov. http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part3.htm (http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part3.htm)
Also this article about the SAF #1 ace, Aleksandr Pokryshkin.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/Cobra.jpg)
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/pokryshkin.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/pokryshkin.html)
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When did VVS recieve P-39/63 Cobra fighters? What year did VVS decomission the cobra fighters?
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We do need more russian planes.
I would rather see Mig-3, Yak-3, Yak-7, LaGG-3 (even though that one might be a baaad idea for a online game;) ) and russian bombers (PE-2, PE-8, TU-2). BUT P-39 is a very usefull plane for the game as it comes in russian and us shapes.
What Id like to see also is to get the skinners working on Russian skins for the P-40E, Hurricane and Boston.
Tex
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Tex, go back and look in the Custom Sounds and Skins forum. There are several Soviet P-40s and Greebo is doing several Soviet Bostons and A20s.
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Have they been added to the game yet?
Last time I checked I didnt see em in game.
Tex
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Originally posted by MOSQ
The P-63 was used extensively in the Soviet Air Force. They had 2,400 of them! I find it hard to believe they weren't in combat.
From "Bells of the Kremlin"
"Since the Airacobra was such a success in Russia, naturally the Soviets would be a major recipient of its bigger brother, the P-63. They were sent 2456 Kingcobras, flown across the Al-Sib ferry route, of which 2421 actually arrived, including both major variants, the P-63A and P-63C. However, contrary to Dorr and other western authors, it did not prove to be a potent tank-buster. It never got a chance. Only in September 1944 did the first P-63 begin it's long journey across two continents, from Buffalo, New York to Russia. By May 1945 there were only 51 P-63As in service, assigned to PVO air defense regiments, which by that stage of the war had little real chance of combat. Consequently, the P-63 never got to show its stuff against either a panzer or a "messer". However, the P-63 did see brief combat in Russian service. Soviet units continued reequipping after the German surrender. Many P-63s went to Soviet units assigned to the Far East and Transbaikal Fronts preparing for war against Japan. The 12th Air Army of the Trasnbaikal Front equipped its 245 IAD, consisting of the 940 and 781 IAPS. This Air Army was reinforced after the German surrender by the transfer from the west of the 190 IAD which included the 17 IAP and 21 IAP, both of which replaced their P-39Q and La-5 fighters with the Kingcobra. One of the pilots of the 17 IAP was Captain Viacheslav Sirotin, HSU, a 21 victory ace. On August 15, he and his wingman, Junior Lieutenant Miroshnichenko caught 2 Japanese fighters (either Ki-27 or Ki-43, the records are unclear), and shot down one of them. This was the Kingcobra's only aerial victory - ever."
So you have exactly one kill to a Kingcobra vs the Japanese and no real combat against the Luftwaffe.
I'm a fan of the KingCobra, don't misunderstand :). I grew up watching a racing KingCobra fly over my house often from the local airport.
Just in terms of AH, the King would be down the list where the P39 makes much more sense.
Profile I did of a Russian Kingcobra a while back
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1097950789_p63aprofiletempussrwp.jpg)
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Have they been added to the game yet?
Last time I checked I didnt see em in game.
Tex
They havent been added, but they have been submitted.
Great read Guppy!
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Well - unless we get the historical scenario along with it I don't think the P39 will get used much...
But I'd like to see it - especially since it is butt-ugly!!! ;)
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Originally posted by Kirin
Well - unless we get the historical scenario along with it I don't think the P39 will get used much...
But I'd like to see it - especially since it is butt-ugly!!! ;)
I think because so much of the AH war is fought at lower levels, that the 39 would surprise people. It was a Dog at altitude, but racing around down low it performed well.
That's where the Russians found their success with it and the USAAF 350th FG flying 39s in the Med also did find against the 109s and 190s down low when they ran into them.
Dan/Slack
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Woohhooo post #39.. :)
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Events would love to see the P-39. :)
:aok
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I remember reading that some of the Russian test pilots had some problems with the P63. Problems in handling or stalls or something like that... I read this probably from Red Stars 4 (http://www.apali.fi/uk/rs4_uk.html) (Lend-Lease Aircraft in Russia), by Geust and Petrov, published by Apali, ISBN: 952-5026-23-X.
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*I* would give my left nut for a P-39.
(Of course, I would give my right nut to get my left nut back...)
Those of you at the 99 Palm Spring's con will remember why. ;-)
-Llama
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I wouldn't mind a p39, we need a lot more early war aircraft compared to late war.
Canaris
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The greatest fighter pilot in history (Erich Hartman – Germany) was credited with shooting down 352 aircraft, and yet his own plane was never struck by a bullet fired from another aircraft. William J. Wilsterman (USAAF) never managed to shoot at an airplane, yet his aircraft was struck by hundreds of bullets.
Here is a very condensed version of this P-63 pilot’s career:
The Army has long recognized the value of offering soldiers the most realistic combat simulation training as possible. Training WWII bomber gunners proved to be especially challenging. There is nothing quite like shooting at a 350 mph maneuvering German or Japanese fighter from a 150 mph lumbering bomber. By the beginning of 1945, the US Army Air Force had decided that new gunners needed something beyond simulation; they needed REAL experience shooting live ammunition, at real, piloted aircraft. Army engineers decided that American fighter planes looked very much like their German and Japanese counterparts, and shooting at them would provide the realistic experience that they were looking for. The problem with giving students an experience this real would be avoiding the destruction of the American “target fighters” and their pilots, provided the students actually learned to hit what they were shooting at.
After much testing, the Army developed a somewhat bulletproof fighter plane. They took the latest Bell fighter, the P-63, removed its guns to save weight, and then armor plated its front surfaces with hardened aluminum and bullet proof glass. A big key to the bullet proof plane concept lie in the “frangible bullets” development. Frangible bullets were made from powdered lead and Bakelite plastic which shatter into dust upon impact with the hardened aluminum. When they felt that the “bullet proof” RP-63 and frangible bullets were good enough, they put them into service. Naturally, the Army Air Force Flexible Gunnery School instructor pilots were the lucky ones to inherit the privilege of finding out just how bullet proof these new bright orange planes were.
From June of 1943 through the end of the war, William J. Wilsterman was an Army Air Force Flexible Gunnery School instructor pilot at Las Vegas Army Airfield in Las Vegas Nevada. On three occasions in one month “Bill” discovered imperfections to this new system. Although the RP-63’s frontal surfaces and glass were armored, there was a sweet spot where the two met. On a gunnery target mission, part of one frangible bullet managed to squeeze through this seam and hit him on the face. Fortunately the fragment had expended most of its energy while entering the plane and Bill’s Oxygen mask absorbed most of what it had left. Another problem with the RP-63/frangible bullet system was that the aircraft was only armored for frontal bullet strikes. Students manning the guns in the B-17s were instructed to only shoot while the attacking RP-63 was approaching them. To avoid collision, the RP-63 would need to “break away”, exposing the soft skinned unarmored surfaces of the aircraft. One overly excited gunnery student continued to fire at Bill’s RP-63 while he broke away. Bullets impacted his left aileron with enough force to knock the joystick out of his hand. Bill landed that mission with several holes in his “bullet proof” plane. Like the P-39, the P-63 had an air scoop above the mid-mounted engine. The RP-63 version was fitted with a series of baffles to stop any bullet that found its way into this scoop. With just the right series of ricochets however, fragments of the frangible bullets could find their way into the engine compartment and puncture vital parts, such as a glycol line. Bill once landed a smoking RP-63 after such a hit. The aircraft had lost all of its coolant and the engine certainly would have seized had it been required to run any longer. A handful of other RP-63 target pilots were not as lucky and ended up bailing from their stricken aircraft. Later versions of the RP-63 were fitted with better scoops that faced rearward.
eskimo
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I would love to see the P-39, but I would like to see a hangar armament choice between the 37mm (P-39) and the 20mm (P-400) version. I hate 30/37mm cannons. :)