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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GreenCloud on October 15, 2004, 11:12:11 PM
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I dont like when I cant fly a pe38 ..And it is very rare..except when a few squaddies are on who liek to fly the 38..
But..we can fly a Typhoon.
Thsi does not make sense to me.
I dotn agree with the enemy plane value thing..I never had a problem with what people fly or when they fly them
It just really sucks to have these planes here and not be able to use them.
We all hav ethings outside this game. When i have time ..an dit happens to be my friends are on..I hate not being able to fly soemthing all the same..That we like
It has now happned 3 times that no P38s..but we could fly Typ...
I dont Like it.
I request a fix please.
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Or you could just switch sides. :p
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from what i read 2.01 is coming out shortly, maybe its changed then?
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still the wines continue.
ever thought of learning to fly something else.
the ki-84 will be out soon just think of all the moans when they can't fly them because of the eny thing .
the system is working keeping numbers pretty level
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You really should have read the Disclaimer/Agreements before signing in to AH :D Apparently, we pay to play a game in whichever way HTC sees fit. :D :D :D
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I don't even think about the side balancer. I haven't been effected by it in a long time.
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As you guys well know, the P-38 is my sole ride in the MA and the times I've been effected by the ENY limiter has probably been no more than 3 times. Personally, I don't see it as an issue at all. If I can't fly the P-38, then I take it's fatter brethren, the A-20 out for a spin. If that plane is not available, then I take out its simpleton friend the Ju87 for some fighting.
So BGB, suck it up and fly another plane.
ack-ack
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no..i thinkit is ghey..
I dont spend everyday all day playing this game.
I pay money to play this game...simple
I think it is wrong to penalize me.
Why limit any planes..I think its crap..but I guess some one whined enuff..
I dont understand why the eny/plane value thingy>?
La7s?..p38s?? they can win a war?..Hardly
No one plane in here dominates all the other planes
As you guys know..there is always a weakness,,ying-Yang
I just wanted to voice my opinion,,and say..I dont like it.
Im hoping others will feel the same and voice there opinion..but not alot of players read the BBs
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From what Ive read, your concern will be addressed.
Originally posted by Pyro
We also have a number of variants that we haven’t done yet and we’ll be using this process as a way to expedite getting those done. So planes with obvious variants that are still unseen in AH like the P-38 will be prime candidates to be reworked sooner rather than later.
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Since the eny kee-rap started, I looked for a plane to replace my Pony D and L-Gay-7.
I ended up with a FW 190A8. Awesome little plane, but don't get into trouble, you can't out turn much, and you can't outrun a lot of planes. You really have to improve your SA if you don't fly the fast accelerating rockets. Still the A8 is fast, and it has awesome firepower.
I have made a marked improvement of my SA and K/D since flying the A8. Something I would have missed with flying only the uber P51D, LA7 and 190D9. So far this month it am about 88/6 in the A8. I never got anywheres near that with the uber rides. I credit it all to improved SA :aok
Try to make the best of it, I still think the system is kee-rap, but HTC doesn't seem to want to change it, so learn to game the game :D
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Since the eny kee-rap started, I looked for a plane to replace my Pony D and L-Gay-7.
I ended up with a FW 190A8. Awesome little plane, but don't get into trouble, you can't out turn much, and you can't outrun a lot of planes. You really have to improve your SA if you don't fly the fast accelerating rockets. Still the A8 is fast, and it has awesome firepower.
I have made a marked improvement of my SA and K/D since flying the A8. Something I would have missed with flying only the uber P51D, LA7 and 190D9. So far this month it am about 88/6 in the A8. I never got anywheres near that with the uber rides. I credit it all to improved SA :aok
Try to make the best of it, I still think the system is kee-rap, but HTC doesn't seem to want to change it, so learn to game the game :D
I wouldn't call what you have done as "gaming the game" in order to deal with ENY.
You got rid of your crutch(es), adapted, and from your own accounting, have become a better pilot ... really don't see what the problem is here.
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i pay too. and i dont like being horded. did you ever think there were more whines about that ?
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horded by what ..la7s..and p38s?..
I still dont see a good reason
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
horded by what ..la7s..and p38s?..
Yes, among others.
I don't see what the big deal is about switching sides if a particular aircraft matters that much to you.
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One of the biggest problems with the eny thing is the inability to protect your HQ. You lose all the planes that can get you up to high alt quickly to save HQ. It seems that nobody anymore tries to save HQ when the limiter is in effect.
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Think about the whines when the early varients of the uber rides fly like the younger siblings they are........;)
I'm finding with the changes, Ive moved to the CT and have been forced by that to get better than I was. The ride just aint as important anymore.
GreenCloud you should strive to have the same fun no matter the ride. It is just the matter of altering a few neuro transmitters in the short term gratification center of your brain. The expectaion you logon with will make or ruin your day...cheers........ :cool:
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Last night the enemy restriction was at 39.5. That effectively wiped out all the 190s, yes even the A5 and A8. Thats .5 points away from over half the 109s being gone and the 205. 2.5 away from leaving my squad with only Emils and 202s.
Thats just stupid. Perk the the planes you want to restrict. Let people fly what they want, just make them pay a ton for it.
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Last night the Knights had as many people as the Rooks and Bishops combined. Deal with it.
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JBs left the Rooks to go fly with the Nits. You'll get no sympathy from the Rooks, other than my general agreement that the ENY limiter is causing AHII to lose players and is overall a bad idea.
But like Urchin said, JBs can learn to deal with it.
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other than my general agreement that the ENY limiter is causing AHII to lose players and is overall a bad idea.
Actually I think it is a good idea. But it is also a good idea that is causing a lot of discontent with the game.
We went from the Rooks having the numbers and the gang banging hordes to the Knights having the numbers and the gang banging hordes. :rolleyes:
We went from customers whining about the Rook hordes to customers whining about Knit hordes AND being PO'd about the ENY system. :eek:
This is an improvement?? :confused:
I believe the saying is; "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" :(
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The knights can have all the numbers they want. I had a blast last night beating back the hordes. I just look at it as a target rich environment that's full of seals to club. It's funny that the side that basically was the cause of the ENY limiter due to its whinning is now crying about the very system they brought about. Enjoy, Knights :lol
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what is so hard to understand..
I want to fly what ever plane i choose..if HTC made the effort to create Fws..La7s Typ..P38s ,,whatever....FREE THEM
WHY THE F can I not fly them when im on..
I only have limited tiem in AH..I think it is BS i get restricted..
Again..I actually enjoy being outnumbered..so I could care less about that...I dotn have tiem to run around chasing 1 guy..I need many targets
There is not a good reason to restrict planes...excpet the perk rides...otherwise it suks...
well nevermind..I seem to be repeating...this is enuff..
its ghey
yes it doenst happen all the tiem..but enuff the few tiems i have been on..and that is what i really HATE,,,,,,I hop on for an hour..and I dont get what I payed for...freedom to pick what plane they have PROMISED was available..
what does the opening page say?...
"over so many planes to choose from"?
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Originally posted by JB42
Last night the enemy restriction was at 39.5. That effectively wiped out all the 190s, yes even the A5 and A8. Thats .5 points away from over half the 109s being gone and the 205. 2.5 away from leaving my squad with only Emils and 202s.
Thats just stupid. Perk the the planes you want to restrict. Let people fly what they want, just make them pay a ton for it.
Whine # 4,785,908 has been recorded.
Karaya
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"over 70 planes, vehicles and boats to choose from"
ya..well not really...
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
"over 70 planes, vehicles and boats to choose from"
ya..well not really...
This statement is demostrably false.
You can fly whatever you want to, you choose to limit yourself.
Example: I am currently a Knight and have been for a long, long time. While I have not been playing lately I expect that to change when v2.01 comes out and I switch from the Mossie to the Ki-84. I expect the Ki-84 will have a low ENY. The Knights curretly, I'm told, have a large numbers advantage that frequently limits their plane choices. I will, without hesitation, choose to switch to the Rooks or the Bishops in order to fly the Ki-84.
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You can fly whatever you want to, you choose to limit yourself.
I can fly whatever I want?....umm hello?
I CANNOT fly whatever I want..HTC has choose to limit what I fly.
And So..i have to leave my squad mates to fly a differnt plane?
ghey
plane and simple
There is no good reason to limit the plane.....Again..no Lghey7 or Pee51 ..or P38 has won a a war..or hell ..won every fite
It just suks..i dont like paying for planes I cant use..I think its a waste of time..money and fun ..on all of us..HTC crew included
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Rotate your squad to a different side. Which side you fly for shouldn't matter. They are just arbitrary anyways.
As to the effect of those aircraft, they are more effective at winning the war, that is why they get used more heavily and why they have the low ENY values.
Most particularly those are the aircraft that make it hardest for the greatly outnumbered side to have a fighting chance. Your posts have been full of woe and misery for yourself, but you have not acknowledged the fact that being greatly outnumbered is also a very serious problem that has also cost HTC many subscriptions.
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Oops.
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Originally posted by JB42
Last night the enemy restriction was at 39.5. That effectively wiped out all the 190s, yes even the A5 and A8. Thats .5 points away from over half the 109s being gone and the 205. 2.5 away from leaving my squad with only Emils and 202s.
Thats just stupid. Perk the the planes you want to restrict. Let people fly what they want, just make them pay a ton for it.
Or alternativly have you squad switch to rook and fly what you like. Thats the intent of the thing. Why not do it?
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Semper Fi
why cant we have loyalty in here..I dont want to jump countries when it fits my needs..but it sounds like you guys are forcing any kind of loyalty out the door..I liek having the same nmes on the other side..I like defending or attaking for my country..Typ or Hurri..I want my choice..
If its as easy as .."just swicth"..then why limit the swicth to 24 hours?...well plenty of reasons..
funny we have been outnumbered for a long tiem..now we are not
again....it suks
so pongo..we tell our whoel squad..whenevr they get on to swicth countries..then the next day we cant fly what we want so we swicth again?..that sounds so crappy
we dont all fly every day..so now we have to see what country our squad is in..so ghey
I havent seen one good reason for this yet
Its BS
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Greencloud,
I do sympathize. Unfortunately the situation had gotten to the point where people were not switching sides to balance it anymore and HiTech was forced to act to try to stem the flow.
First he tried using a carrot by making perk units cheaper and perks faster to get for the outnumbered side, but that didn't work. He was left with only the possibility of making people change sides by making them uncomfortable, e.g. he used a stick this time.
The fact that you, and many others, noticed this time shows that at the very least this method got people's attention.
The problem is that there is no solution that will both make people happy and solve the imbalance problem because as it was the people causing the imbalance problem, who were also the only people who could solve it, were quite happy with the status quo and people who were powerless to affect it were canceling their accounts.
Something had to be done. Was this the best option? I don't know, but I have not seen any other solutions proposed that would have been workable. All the alternatives I've seen focused on making sure the person posting the idea wasn't affected by it in any meaningful fashion. In other words solutions that would have no effect and would allow the status quo to continue along it's merry way.
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well greencloud, maybe you could suggest a way to keep the hoard from rolling other than the eny. hopefully the suggestion would not suk or be ghey
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Karnak..good post...I kind understand how that conclusion coudl happen..But I really cant beleive that they woudl lose customers for being outnumbered? wasnt that us..the Knights? I have flown knights for as long as I have been here..since AW3-MV died
i think the way it was is fine
Trippy...thats muy suggestion....
Soemtiems a country got steamrolled...soemtiem they didnt
Seems to me it hasnt stopped..
I guess I didnt play enuff to cry so much about being ubalanced...Im pretty sure .. I play plenty enuff...You cant really judge by my hours as I routinly did Bomer rusn to HQ fro 2 hours whiel doing other work around house. So it may say I yhave way too many hours..lolo
I would hope we could fly the planes that HTC crew has spent our money and there time on. its sad for me..
So thats my suggestion..go back to not taking away the planes they offer.
If not..I hope TOD coems out sooner then later..I will gladly beta
this one too
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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I have supported Hitech in all of his patches and changes but when you cant take a plane with a value of less than 36 this is going way to far.
If I was just starting out in this game about 2 times of this and I would not even try to learn the game and stay in here trying to get better, it has gotten so frustrating I am having second thoughts about staying in the game myself, there is no telling how many would have staid in the game that didnt.
I like and respect Hitech, pyro, actually everyone over there but this is one time I highly disagree with their thinking.
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Tonight, and the last several nights, are proof positive the eny balancer does not work. The Rooks were out numbered by 50% by the Bish and 100% by the Nits (again). We were getting steamrolled by both, but most of all the Nits. The Nit Eny limiter hit 30+ yet again, but made NO DIFFERENCE ! They just bring gobs of HVY P-47 jabos and C205 escorts. I didn't see any Nits switching sides to fly P-51s.
All it does is !@#$ customers off.
A Different solution has to be found.
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Originally posted by dmdchief
I have supported Hitech in all of his patches and changes but when you cant take a plane with a value of less than 36 this is going way to far.
If I was just starting out in this game about 2 times of this and I would not even try to learn the game and stay in here trying to get better, it has gotten so frustrating I am having second thoughts about staying in the game myself, there is no telling how many would have staid in the game that didnt.
I like and respect Hitech, pyro, actually everyone over there but this is one time I highly disagree with their thinking.
switch friggen sides. DUH
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Originally posted by Pongo
switch friggen sides. DUH
Pongo,
maybe it is that simple for you, and for others. as for DmdChief, he is a truckdriver who has to take his lapttop and joystick and find a place to plug it in to get internet services, then once he logs on his time is short, and he is only here to fly with his friends/squad....with his limited time of maybe 2 hours at most, most times 30 minutes......he feels he should not have to switch.......
when he ups to fly and while he is up the ENy increases 20, 24, 27, 30, 31, 33, 34, 36 when he lands ( or gets shot down) he is with out his ride, at 36 ENY he is with out alot of rides. Although last night he did trade down for a lesser planeto fly inwhich when he returned to base that plane had been gobbled up by the ENY too
so what you are saying is screw all the friendships, squads created, and everyone fly for themselves.....(some of these squads have flown together for 10+ years)
the ENY has never bothered me, last night was the first time I was unable to fly a F4U1D, so I traded for the F4U-1 and nailed 6 baddys real quick , heck was no biggie
I never once complained about being outnumbered, I would log if I didn't want to be HOUNDED by 30 rooks to 2 Knights, best thing would be to drop the ENY, let all the moving squads go back to where they were to start with.and let all these formed squads fly with their squadmates
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Pongo,
I never once complained about being outnumbered, I would log if I didn't want to be HOUNDED by 30 rooks to 2 Knights, best thing would be to drop the ENY, let all the moving squads go back to where they were to start with.and let all these formed squads fly with their squadmates
How many people do you think logged for good?
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Originally posted by Urchin
How many people do you think logged for good?
I do not know Urchin, but there was a heck of alot more people flying/playing before the ENY was instituted into the mix. and everyone was able to fly with whom they wanted too
now everyone suggest forget about flying with squads and/or friends fly for yourself and country hop at will........this last part has had a big impact on the numbers in my opinion, far more than the way it was before its invention......
but heck it is just my opinion, you know we all got 1 :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
How many people do you think logged for good?
yes, i think most people who left, left before the eny factor was put in place. in fact some may go as far to say that it is the reason why eny was placed.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
I dont like when I cant fly a pe38 ..And it is very rare..except when a few squaddies are on who liek to fly the 38..
But..we can fly a Typhoon.
Thsi does not make sense to me.
I dotn agree with the enemy plane value thing..I never had a problem with what people fly or when they fly them
It just really sucks to have these planes here and not be able to use them.
We all hav ethings outside this game. When i have time ..an dit happens to be my friends are on..I hate not being able to fly soemthing all the same..That we like
It has now happned 3 times that no P38s..but we could fly Typ...
I dont Like it.
I request a fix please.
Love
BiGB
xoxo
i furball, on behalf of the Aces High community, have this message..
"screw you! you silly MAW! who cares what you think! MAW's have no rights!
thankyou, that is all.
;) :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
How many people do you think logged for good?
Better yet ... who gives a rats arse ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Better yet ... who gives a rats arse ?
HTC, as it is their business and fewer customers means less income?
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Originally posted by Karnak
HTC, as it is their business and fewer customers means less income?
LOL ... I have to agree ... if it were in the 100s, but I would say that maybe 20 (at a max) truely left strictly because of the ENY.
Others who did leave, only used it as an excuse to justify their departure and give them something solid to stamp their feet about as they left.
I think that HTC asked themselves the question ...
How many will leave if we let the balance problem persist ? vs. How many will leave if we attempt and implement a fix ?
We know which one they chose which netted them a positve result. You know ... the lesser of two evils.
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SlapShot,
I thought you were saying who cares about how many left due to the perpetual imbalance, the players I understood to be where Urchin's comment was aimed.
I think we can all agree that the number of those players was likely higher than 20 as HiTech felt the need to act on it.
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Originally posted by Trippy
yes, i think most people who left, left before the eny factor was put in place. in fact some may go as far to say that it is the reason why eny was placed.
maybe so Trippy, but let us not forget we are only in the 4th month of AH2, and there was alot of whines before the ENY thing on people just not happy with AH2 as far as hard to fly, hard to shoot, above and beyond the one whine of being overwhelmingly outnumbered, has everyone forgotten all the whines about this is a bug or that is a bug, or stutters, or freezes, low Frame Rate.........alot of people left for them reasons and not the ENY...
HTC has worked hard to squash every bug found or any problems that arise vs Frame Rate, video cards problems etc........
but alot of people left with out giving HTC a chance.........
they thought this was Burger King and wanted it their way NOW!
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Originally posted by JB42
Last night the enemy restriction was at 39.5. That effectively wiped out all the 190s, yes even the A5 and A8. Thats .5 points away from over half the 109s being gone and the 205. 2.5 away from leaving my squad with only Emils and 202s.
Thats just stupid. Perk the the planes you want to restrict. Let people fly what they want, just make them pay a ton for it.
i agree, perk the planes that have great performance. then again i can fly on a paper plane and still have fun.
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cloud. People tried out the eny thing by switching to knight and so many of them went that they got scared to change back cause knight numbers are so big.
So now we ususally see numbers like 120 knights 60-70 rooks in late pac time.
By the time I log its at 90/35. When the eny limiter hits 10 some serios numbers should be thinking about changing sides.
Ya loyalty is a real factor in the game. Squads can break up about where they fly. But really each of us should try to maintain a fun game. And the super steam roller is not fun. Although it is admitedly more fun in a 262. Especailly when your positive that the enemy has now way of getting a jet.
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Originally posted by Pongo
By the time I log its at 90/35. When the eny limiter hits 10 some serios numbers should be thinking about changing sides.
Heh. I switched to Rook the moment I saw the numbers. I was a Knight.
Of course I then procedeed to fly an A6M2. Ah well.
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All games have rules..... You are already restricted to the planes they model (that is, no B29, for example).
The eny thing doesn't even matter to me anymore. I just pick something I don't usually fly, and learn it.
It's paid dividends in my rank.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
HTC has worked hard to squash every bug found or any problems that arise vs Frame Rate, video cards problems etc........
but alot of people left with out giving HTC a chance.........
they thought this was Burger King and wanted it their way NOW!
no argument there:)
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My 2 cents , i like to fly the 38 alot, the eny value takes it away , im not going to switch countries to fly it , But should planes that don't have an earlier varient be subject to the limiter. Or should planes without an earlier varient have the eny value changed ..
38maw