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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sullie363 on October 16, 2004, 02:08:15 PM
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I would like this thread to follow some basic rules. My idea is that this is where somebody could make one post on an aircraft/vehicle/weapon system they would like to see in the game. Please do not respond to what anybody else has posted. Leave it up to HTC whether a person's claim is valid or not. The only posts that should be made are new proposals. When you do post please include a picture with basic specs. Also make your case for why you think it would be a good addition and whether it should be perked or not. Lets make this a good place for HTC to come check for new proposals without having to sift through dozens of posts. I'll make the first post as a general template to follow in the future.
Dornier Do 335 'Pfeil'
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/do_335-4.gif)
Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber
Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement - each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.
Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.
Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).
Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).
Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).
Certainly a perk bird. It may of been a big one, but its limited service brought great success. It also stands out in a crowd. I would see this plane finding its place at high altitude, while high speed attack missions have their appeal also. It would be the fastest thing in the sky with internal bomb loads. I think that's its combination of high performance, versatility, and simple uniqueness make it a prime candidate to be added to the game.
Information Source: http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335top.htm
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It's only speculation that this plane saw any operational combat service as there are no records to show that they did.
ack-ack
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Napalm :)
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(http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-056b.jpg)
North American B-25H Specifications
(as delivered in 1943)
Length
51 ft. 4 in.
Height
15 ft. 9 in.
Wingspan
67 ft. 7 in.
Wing Area
610 sq. ft.
Empty Weight
19,600 lbs.
Maximum Weight
35,000 lbs.
Normal Fuel Capacity
974 gal.
Maximum Speed
275 mph at 13,000 ft.
Climb Rate
967 fpm.
Service Ceiling
23,800 ft.
Range
1,350 with 3,000 lbs. Bombs
Powerplant
Two Wright R-2600-13 Cyclone 14 radial engines (14-cylinder, twin-row, air-cooled, turbosupercharged) rated at 1,700 hp at 2,500 rpm at sea level.
Armament
One 75 mm cannon in nose, four .50 cal. guns in nose, four .50 cal. blister guns on forward fuselage, two .50 cal. guns in top turret, two .50 cal. guns at waist stations, and two .50 cal. guns in tail turret.
Crew
Pilot, navigator/cannoneer, engineer/gunner, radio operator/gunner, and tail gunner
I'm being very specific about this. This is a pure attack plane, no questions about it. The lack of a bomb sight and presence of a 75mm cannon in the nose make this apparent. This plane would operate in the same way the A-20 does, without a formation and scored as a bomber or attack. The B-25 in general was the most prolific medium bomber of the war and it seems odd that at least one of its versions aren't represented in the game. The reason I present this version is because the B-26 would be too similar to the conventional level bomber B-25. I'm not certain whether this should be perked or not. While the 75mm gun could obviously cause many problems for GVs, lots of things in the game already do that. There are already plenty of planes in the game that can take out a tank in one pass with guns, to say nothing about rockets. Also the plane's size and slower speed would make an easier target for GVs. Also the slow rate of fire of the cannon would allow for perhaps only one shot per pass. It's something I would like to see in the game and I think its achievements during the war have earned it a place.
Information Source: http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/North%20American%20B-25H%20Mitchell%20Specifications.asp
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The first B-25Hs arrived in the FEAF in February of 1944, entering service with the 498th Squadron. The B-25H carried the extraordinarily potent armament of fourteen 0.50 inch machine guns and a 75-mm cannon, and could also carry up to 3200 pounds of bombs or a 2000-pound torpedo. The cannon carried by the B-25H was bore-sighted at 1000 yards and was generally fired at altitudes from 1000 feet at the beginning an attack to 500 feet at the end. The sighting was done with the N-6A sight, and the guns were fired by the pilot, there being no bombardier or copilot aboard. During an attack, cannon fire was usually opened at 2000 yards, with an average of three rounds being fired by the time the aircraft closed to 1000 yards.
Combat sorties confirmed that the cannon-armed B-25H offered no particular advantage over specially-adapted strafers armed exclusively with machine guns. At this stage in the war, targets specifically suited for cannon attack were relatively few and far between, and many targets that were vulnerable to the cannon were also vulnerable to a battery of 0.50-inch machine guns or to bombs. Consequently, the use of the heavy cannon was generally abandoned in the South-West Pacific by August of 1944.
In September, the B-25Hs were either passed along to the 38th Bombardment Group (which was already operating B-25Gs) or returned to depots. Unlike most other groups, the 38th Bombardment Group actually welcomed the H model.
24 B-25Hs were taken on strength by the 11th Bombardment Squadron of the Fourteenth Air Force for interdiction work in China in early 1944. They were first employed on river sweeps. In November the 11th Squadron received a few examples of the new APG-13A radar ranging equipment for use with the 75-mm cannon. This enabled the precise range to a target to be determined at all times during an attacking run, making precise aiming much simpler. This equipment was operated by the navigator, and was installed in B-25Hs 43-4584, 4071,4924, 4989, and 4601.
The last B-25H was accepted in July of 1944. In China the 341st Bombardment Group received B-25Hs in 1945, some of them serving there until the end of the war. The 1st Air Commando Group assigned to Burma was also provided with the B-25H.
I do admit that I enjoyed flying this plane in WB but do we really need something like this other than for novelty sake?
Source (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_15.html)
ack-ack
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Well obviously HT & Pyro don't think so or we'd have it already.
But then I'm suprised its taken 4 years to get a b24 also.
Personally I loved flying the Big H in brand W. Suspect it would be an awesome GV killer. Along with its intended maritime suppression role.
The "H" IMO should NOT have a formation option.
But I can see me flying coastlines in it looking for barges, & other targets to hunt.
But then I want the black Cat PBY's too!
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Great job guys, the entire purpose of this thread has been defeated. I guess the idea of following simple directions is beyond us humans. Perhaps I'll try this again later.
The concept is clear right? To have a thread with ONLY proposals, HTC is much more likely to look it over as opposed to a normal thread filled with random crap which I'm sure they don't pay much, if any, attention to.
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Hey all....
Personally, I'd like to see some new British planes like the Westland Whirlwind or the Bristol Beaufighter.
Now I realize that the Mossie and bf110 pretty much already fill these roles in the game, but I'd still like to see them make an appearance.
A big:) to the AH community, I can't wait to get in those sky's again.
-Scott 'gnubee' Bell
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Sullie,
Excuse me sir, but who died & put you in control?
BBS's are about the free exchange of information, ideas, thoughts, etc.
As for trying to figure out why HT reads this thread but not that one, I have a clue for you.
He probably reads them all at some point.
What he choses to respond to is a whole nother ball game.
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Just attempting something other then the norm. If you wanted to go and discuss things as usual then just go start your own thread and respect the simple wishes laid out at the start of this thread. K, i'm letting this die now.
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I don't see hijacking threads as helping the free exchange of information and ideas. He made a simple respectful request regarding one particular thread, not the whole board. It's not a personal affront.
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panzer crakers on the Stuka..for gods sake...Let Rudels name ring in the panzer and tiger ears
yes PANZERCRAKERS!!!!!
STUka BABY:)
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Supa Stuka!!
Too bad the overly vocal panzer and tigger drivers wont let it be.
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First of all I'd like to se Brewster and I-15 / I-16 series fighters.
But some reason I've always liked this one and it would be nice addition with some other early war planes:
(http://hsfeatures.com/images/pzlp11cag_4.jpg)
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JU188!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://student.cob.ohiou.edu/pm186200/ju188_a.gif)
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(http://images.send.com/107640_big.jpg)
Torpedoes away!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Gloster.glad.649pix.jpg)
Gloster Gladiator!!
And last but not least:
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/pfs4.jpg)
Fairchild PT-9 Trainer!
We should have trainers in the TA, just to ENHANCE the experience!
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YEAH!
Nice perk farmers....
Better targets! :lol
(http://www.airhog.com/targets/images/fish_barrel.gif)
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(http://www.ww2guide.com/beau_7.jpg)
(http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/arnab1/images/beaufighter.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/beausattack800.jpg)
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No pics
But,
WW2 Bipes,
CR42
CR32
Bristol Buldog
Glouster Gladiator
Fariy Swordfish
Avia 235
Policarpov 152/153
and the HS 123
PZ 7
PZ11
PZ24
Gunns
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Won't describe it - self xplanatory...
(http://www.airforce.ru/staff/nikishin/Tu-2.jpg)
(http://airforce.users.ru/files/modelism/manuals/neo_pe-2.gif)
(http://www.piermodels.com/acatalog/dg5518%20ju%20188%20e%20avenger.jpg)
(http://net.bialystok.pl/~hess/foto_p/panzerblitz_foto_01.jpg)
(This is not GBU series bombs :), it's something that 190F-8s carry - 16 that is...)
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Time Delay bombs
or Para frags
I would liek to do lo level drops...tree top hi...for anti building and tank
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/176_1098450407_he219-5.jpg)
Heinkel He 219
The Heinkel He 219 was originally a private project, the P.1060 recon-bomber, but it got no attention
until 1941, when it was accepted as a nightfighter. The He 219 had two crew members;
the pilot and the navigator, both back to back on the world´s first ejection seats in action.
It was also the first german military plane in action with a bow-wheel landing gear.
The first prototype had his first flight on 15.11.1942 with two 1.750PS DB 603A, the second flew in december.
After a simulated air combat between the He 219 and the Dornier Do 317, Junkers Ju 88S and Ju 188,
the first order of 100 planes was increased up to 300 planes and more prototypes were build.
Since april 1943 flew a small number of He 219A-0 pre-serial nightfighters for the 1. NJG
(Night Fighter Wing) at Venlo, and within the first six sorties 20 enemy planes were
downed, even six mosquitos!
Many different versions entered service, although there were only 268 (others say 294) He 219 build.
Discussed recon and bomber versions were planned, but none was realized, even not as a prototype.
The weapon equipment, the powerplants and the electronic equipment changed quite often, but the really
important changes were, that a third crew member was added (for a rear-shooting 13mm MG131 against
mosquito nightfighters, more for warning than for killing), and the only planned B version for mosquito-hunting
at very high speeds (He 219A´s had an operational ceiling of only ca. 9km) which was later the basic
for the planned He 419 very high altitude/high speed night interceptor with greater wing span.
The main problems were the lack of fuel, the poor german radars and the high wing area load
(causing the weak ceiling, high landing speeds and the need for long runways).
sadly, the performance figures were seldom achieved in combat sorties. With all the extras, a He219A wasn´t
faster than 580km/h and in 8000m altitude only as fast as 500km/h.
Its performance and good landing characteristics made it the best nightfighter against heavy bombers,
but it wasn´t good enough to intercept Mosquito pathfinders which flew with a pressurized cockpit and two-stage
superchargers in high altitude.
Interesting is also the Huetter Hu 211evolvement, which was an extremely long range recon plane
(calculated performance: 710km/h in 7900m, 6100 !!! km, 9.5-17.5t, 24.55m spanwidth)
with 15:1 laminar wings, wooden construction and two of the never-built Jumo 222 quadruple radial engines.
For some inexplicable reasons, the He 219 program ended in May, 1944.
Although it came quite late, it had a great chance of stopping the british night terror, which makes
it very sympathetic. If the 200 He 219 per month, that the leader of the german nightfighter network,
Kammhuber, demanded for, were really build in every month of autumn and winter 1943, the british
losses would surely have exceeded the critical 15% marking for a long time.
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Specifications:
Heinkel He 219A-5 german nightfighter
Dimensions:
Wing span: 18,50m
Length: 16,34m
Height: 4,15m
Weights:
Empty: 11.127kg
Maximum Take-Off: 13.575kg
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 615km/h (with radar antenna)
Service Ceiling: 9.400m
Normal Range: 2.850km
Powerplant:
two 1.800PS Daimler-Benz DB 603E 12-cylinder inverted Vee,
liquid-cooled engines with direct fuel injection
Armament:
two 2cm MG 151/20 below the fuselage,
two 2cm MG151/20 in the wing roots,
two 3cm Mk 108 as "schraege Musik", firing ca. 60° upwards and
one defensive 13mm MG131firing backwards
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Originally posted by bigsky
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My Comment:
Although it came quite late, it had a great chance of stopping the british night terror, which makes it very sympathetic.
very sympathetic? what do you mean?
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Originally posted by Furball
very sympathetic? what do you mean?
oops not my comment just cut and paste from a website. i just thought it was a cool plane. the first operational plane with an ejector seat.
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Originally posted by gnubee
Hey all....
Personally, I'd like to see some new British planes like the Westland Whirlwind or the Bristol Beaufighter.
yeah, the MILES MAGISTER maybe
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B29
best looking bomber ever
make it,perk it and give me something to spend them bomber perkies on,no atom bombs thats just silly ,unless
this is just an idea
b29 =50-70 perks
b29 with atom bomb =500 perks
the one with the a bomb can drop either a whole town or a whole field when droped in centre of either
id love that:)
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Originally posted by paulobrien6969
B29
best looking bomber ever
make it,perk it and give me something to spend them bomber perkies on,no atom bombs thats just silly ,unless
this is just an idea
b29 =50-70 perks
b29 with atom bomb =500 perks
the one with the a bomb can drop either a whole town or a whole field when droped in centre of either
id love that:)
OH MY GOD~~~~
This guys wants a ATOM BOMB!!!!!!!!!!
:lol
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how about the A26
Think of it as a A20 that did 350mph could carry 4 k bombs and rockets or 18 foward firing 50 cals.
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Yeah, A-26 is way overdue.
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Meteor Mk.III
(http://worldwar2.free.fr/meteor1.jpg)
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now that is definatly a plane id like to fly furball