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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on October 17, 2004, 12:19:19 PM
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Would be great to be able to press 'Alt 1' 'Alt 2' etc to change the formation the drones fly with you in.
For example it may be beneficial to set the bombers into line astern, or line abreast depending on what you are bombing, so you could press alt and the corresponding number to set the formation.
For bombers with a strong roof gun like the Ki67 you could set a stacked formation with the drones lower than you, so if anyone comes onto your 6 they will be flying into a hail of 20mm.
Would be nice to have 3 AI drones so you could set a 'vee' formation or diamond.
Maybe 'alt would set the formation type' and 'alt + or -' changes the altitude of the drones in relation to your plane.
what ya think?
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that would be great
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Very interesting idea Furbie.
Say you could also regulate the spacing with dot command?
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Actually Im kinda surprised this hasnt been implemented from the start
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awesome idea!
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Furball nice idea but for what type of role would this be used in and are we staying with accurate formations? High altitude bombing done by the 8th Air Force was done in the "vic" formations. A wingmen could be lower or higher depending on how the overall group was to be formed up but it was still the vic. I've got a bunch of formations they used from the start of the war till the end of the war.
I'm sure that some lower raid missions may have been setup differently. I would be concerned of these folks using these formations incorrectly though. I'm no WWII history buff but how often were the versions that we have of Lancasters, B-17s and B-26s used in the fleet defense mode? We also have the issues that folks are already using low level bombing tactics without the proper parafrag weapons. Even in loose formations the B-24s attacking Ploesti got hammered. This doesn't happen that often in AH and people know it so they purposely use these airframes and low probability of getting killed on a low level raid.
My biggest thing is I'd hate someone to use a good idea like this to game the game. They already do it with the options they have and they'd probably do it even more with these options.
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Furbie's idea will help add some spice to bombing runs once HT solves the divebombing heavies problem.
Disable bombs while in F3 mode...please make it happen, HTC. lol
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TBolt other issues have to be dealt with too. For starters is bombing any ammunitions dumps. That much explosives contained in one area will have massive secondary explosions. Same with fuel depot storages. A fully laden ammo storage should have massive secondary explosions that would be lethal to any bomber or fighter/bomber at low levels.
How often do we see people straffing ammo storages and killing them with no ill affects? I see it quite often and it's rather absurd that it lightly explodes and sets on fire. Same goes with the fuel storages. We see folks flying right through the fuel storage flames after they blow it up.
We also have the issues that some areas are weakly defended. A perfect example is again the raid on Ploesti. Something as simple as a fuel storage/refinery was heavily guarded against any type of air raids. Now think of our fuel depots in AH2. How well defended are they? Not very well defended if you asked me. Especially considering you have "milkrunners" in fighter/bomber airframes going over and leveling it.
In my own opinion I think HT needs to make these items more heavily defended. They also need to make the strategic targets more vital to the overall war. This should bring back the more realistic bombing missions. Bombing runs would then mean more and we'd see less of the gamey bombing runs we see now. We'd also see more realistic intecept and escort missions going on.
Reason being is these bombing runs would be extremely vital to how well a country will progress in a particular region. Light bombers and fighter/bombers would concentrate more on the fields and heavy bombers would concentrate more on the cities, factories, ammo and such. For a country to take bases in a region they'd first have to make strategic strikes on the factories. Meanwhile the missions going out to take bases would be prepping for multiple tactical strikes on bases in that region the second the factories are hit. If the missions go well then the factories destruction will make it easier for a side to take the base. If not then fuel, ammunition, AAA and hangars will rebuild extremely fast making it extremely impossible to take the base.
Resupplies of towns, factories and bases should also have more of an affect on the overall war. The one thing that is essential in the overall outcome of a war is it's ability to bomb strategic targets. This is something that plays very little in the overall scheme that we have now.
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Cobra!
Hey, your suggestions are good and sound. I honestly had never even thought about the lack of secondary explosions. Now that you mention it, I'd love to see them...even though they're prolly gonna kill my FR even more. :D
I like the idea about formations, as well. That's all.
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If I want to play with drones I just go to work.
Lotsa drones there.
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AAA is too weak or bombers wouldnt be able to low level like they do in the game.
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Low bombers are fun. easy pickings. why you all hate em?
If i see high bomber formation i can never be bothered to climb all that alt just for the sake killing 1 formation.
anyway, lets get back on track, lets whine about my idea til its implemented ;) :D
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cough.
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One formation of Lancs at 15k can take down all the fhs and the vh at a large field..You better pay attention to them.
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Originally posted by Furball
cough.
Catchin' a cold? It is flu season after all. I know this couldn't be a punt as punting is a violation of #13. Please take this as total concern for your health (hint: chicken soup) and not moderation by a user as that would violate #6. :D
Oh... and I would LOVE to have an extra drone and formation choices, but wouldn't a diamond cause gunnery problems for the pilot of #1 when someone is walking the six of #4??
:aok
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Nice idea furball. I had one very similar to that. Nice to know someone is one the same page as myself.
Perking the bombers in the formation would also be a nice addition. Keep out the riff-raff. I wouldnt mind a lone bomber diving on a field cus he would be smacked by ack in a hurry. But perking the others would definitely make one think about the value of his other bombers. This would increase the amount of high altitude bombing and your new idea.
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Originally posted by Alpo
Catchin' a cold? It is flu season after all. I know this couldn't be a punt as punting is a violation of #13. Please take this as total concern for your health (hint: chicken soup) and not moderation by a user as that would violate #6. :D
Oh... and I would LOVE to have an extra drone and formation choices, but wouldn't a diamond cause gunnery problems for the pilot of #1 when someone is walking the six of #4??
:aok
of course, i would never do the heinous (punishable by death) crime of punting a thread, i happened to be viewing the post and coughed.
that is all.
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I dont wana see Kamikazee Lines of Death....
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has been suggested several times before in the past.
I agree....would be great.
maybe a "Dot Command" Like .e d200 would = Echelon formation at a seperation distance of 200 yards respectivly. And so on.
I hope this keep being suggested till it is someday emplimented. Thanks Furball.
Here is a thread of past mentioning this same primis.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62264&referrerid=7566
There were more...but i cant find them at the moment.
Lets keep hoping.
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Cobra412 wrote:
Furball nice idea but for what type of role would this be used in and are we staying with accurate formations? High altitude bombing done by the 8th Air Force was done in the "vic" formations
Actually I think they were in whats called a "Combat Box"
(http://www.jcs-group.com/military/afimages/bomber_formation.gif)
:D ;) :aok
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i support this whine
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Originally posted by mechanic
i support this whine
huh?
why would this be locked, just suggesting something. it may be moved to the gameplay/feedback forum tho.
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I vote furball! :aok