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I'm surprised at this. I thought he was at the top of his game right now. I thought his numbers would be huge.
Plus the CNN meltdown...
COMEDY CENTRAL's 'DAILY SHOW' has experienced surprise audience erosion -- despite a publicity push by host Jon Stewart.
Stewart, who announced last week that he plans to support John Kerry, pulled 1,040,000 total viewers for the month of September -- down 7% from August, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Jumbo hype from media writers and a bestselling book apparently have failed to translate into any TV audience improvement.
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CNN editors were busy this weekend cleaning up a transcript from Stewart's Friday appearance on CROSSFIRE. One CNN executive called Stewart's performace "belligerent."
During the live program, Stewart slammed host Tucker Carlson: "You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show."
The awkward exchange came at the end of an 8 minute segment between Stewart, Carlson and co-host Paul Begala.
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CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?
STEWART: Absolutely.
CARLSON: ...you have this marvelous opportunity not to be the guy's butt boy, to go ahead and be his butt boy. Come on. It's embarrassing.
STEWART: I was absolutely his butt boy. I was so far -- you would not believe what he ate two weeks ago.
STEWART: You know, the interesting thing I have is, you have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.
CARLSON: You need to get a job at a journalism school, I think.
STEWART: You need to go to one.
The thing that I want to say is, when you have people on for just knee-jerk, reactionary talk...
CARLSON: Wait. I thought you were going to be funny. Come on. Be funny.
STEWART: No. No. I'm not going to be your monkey.
BEGALA: Go ahead. Go ahead.
STEWART: I watch your show every day. And it kills me.
CARLSON: I can tell you love it.
STEWART: It's so -- oh, it's so painful to watch...
CARLSON: Is this really Jon Stewart? What is this, anyway?
STEWART: Yes, it's someone who watches your show and cannot take it anymore. I just can't.
CARLSON: What's it like to have dinner with you? It must be excruciating. Do you like lecture people like this or do you come over to their house and sit and lecture them; they're not doing the right thing, that they're missing their opportunities, evading their responsibilities?
CARLSON: I wouldn't want to eat with you, man. That's horrible.
STEWART: I know. And you won't.
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Before appearing on CNN, Stewart blasted reporter and CROSSFIRE co-host Bob Novak.
"I would not have him on the show. I have standards," Stewart explained to the NEW YORKER's Ken Auletta. "I wouldn't do it. He shouldn't be on television. CNN should not have him on the air. He should not be amongst civilized people."
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Isn't he the guy that does those prank phonecalls? ;)
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The CNN thing seemed pre-meditated. He seems to want to be taken seriously, yet he goes on a low-rated CNN political talk show and criticizes them for being too political. Maybe if he'd gone on FoxNews and did his diatribe people would have taken it seriously, but going on leftist CNN and accusing their taking heads of being talking heads was a big mis-calculation. He should stick to being funny, but maybe all his lefty fanboys have convinced him that he is the real deal.
ra
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I still watch it.
Unlike CNN and Fox News, the show is funny and doesn't pretend to not be full of ****.
-SW
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Kinda shows which way the election will go....supporting Kerry may feel good at a rally or a party, but a real life translation of him running the country is the equivelent of Wiley Coyote hitting the canyon floor with a thud....just not to pleasant to think about.
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Stewart abhores Bob Novak. When Stewart goes off about Novak it is usually pretty funny and rightly so being Novak is a POS...
I do wish I had seen or known about this interview. I imagine it having a different context then seen in this thread but I believe Stewart holds some anger at what he and many American's feel as a falure of main stream media..
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Originally posted by Rude
Kinda shows which way the election will go....supporting Kerry may feel good at a rally or a party, but a real life translation of him running the country is the equivelent of Wiley Coyote hitting the canyon floor with a thud....just not to pleasant to think about.
lol I dont understand how you reach this conclusion..???
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Stewart abhores Bob Novak. When Stewart goes off about Novak it is usually pretty funny and rightly so being Novak is a POS...
I do wish I had seen or known about this interview. I imagine it having a different context then seen in this thread but I believe Stewart holds some anger at what he and many American's feel as a falure of main stream media..
Why is Novak a POS?
And what failure of the mainstream media is a lefty like Stewart complaining about? Is it the fact the Dan Rather got caught lying by right-wing lunatics on the Internet?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol I dont understand how you reach this conclusion..???
Just a cheap shot on my part....a true shot but cheap nonetheless.
Stewarts open support of Kerry has cost him audience share....he should have polled his viewers to see which position would have lifted his support among viewers, much like Kerry does before spewing at the stump.
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Humm.. Stewart losing audience I find very suspect. Could be true but I suppose I would rather compare data across a larger time scale than perhaps the 2 weeks (or whatever the length is) this pole used for it's numbers.
Thanks for posting the Vid link Sandman in the other thread.. Was a good watch.. Cracked me up Stewart calling him a dick. I actually was suprised..
Failure of the media?? Where to start? You see no problems with the state of american media at this moment??
edit: Stewart dug on Dan Rather for days after that debacle.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Failure of the media?? Where to start? You see no problems with the state of american media at this moment??
Finally something we can agree on, though I suspect we have different ideas on how the "media" has failed.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Failure of the media?? Where to start? You see no problems with the state of american media at this moment??
Why does an answer have two question marks at the end? The US media is very successfully using its near-monopoly to promote its leftist candidate. Why would Stewart complain about that? Is it the NEAR-monopoly part he doesn't like?
ra
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That video was embarassing! Jon Stewart came off very badly. Looks like he is unaccustomed to somebody disagreeing with him and challenging his views..
Ouch...
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Actually, he just seemed baffled by Carlson telling him he should be doing hard-hitting political journalism on a comedy show. I was also baffled at that assertion.
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That video was embarassing! Jon Stewart came off very badly. Looks like he is unaccustomed to somebody disagreeing with him and challenging his views..
is the video actually downloadable?
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1. That Drudge story is a little misleading. Daily Show numbers were huge for the Conventions.
2. The quotes from the CNN appearance are not complete or even in order. Watch the tape if you can.
3. Stewart bagged on both sides on Crossfire. He basically asked them to be more responsible journalists. His case in point was the "Spin Zone" that all the networks and cable shows jump to after the debates. Why on Earth would a news program want to hear admitted lies... the Spin Zone is hackery and pandering to the interests of one side or the other. We should all be behind Stewart on this issue.
4. He isn't a Journalist... Calling him biased in his reporting is like giving George Burns bad reviews for his singing. Silly crap.
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4. He isn't a Journalist... Calling him biased in his reporting is like giving George Burns bad reviews for his singing. Silly crap.
Neither are Carlson or Begala. Hell, Begala's even on the Democratic party payroll. What's wrong with spin doctors having their own show? So long as it's identified as spin and opinion it can't be confused with bad journalism, aka CBS.
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Originally posted by ra
Neither are Carlson or Begala. Hell, Begala's even on the Democratic party payroll. What's wrong with spin doctors having their own show? So long as it's identified as spin and opinion it can't be confused with bad journalism, aka CBS.
So why was Carlson asking him to be less biased? You realize you made no point?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So why was Carlson asking him to be less biased? You realize you made no point?
Actually I made that exact point in the other thread about Stewart's CNN appearance. My point here, which apparently went over your head, is that Carlson and Begala don't pretend to be politically unbiased, so why is Stewart picking on them, of all people?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So why was Carlson asking him to be less biased? You realize you made no point?
Why did Stewart appear on Crossfire?
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See #3 in my post above.
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I don't recall him "bagging" on the left at all. Maybe you could point it out?
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Well I'm one of the people who quit watching his show because of all the Bush bashing.
Some is OK but he goes to far anymore.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't recall him "bagging" on the left at all. Maybe you could point it out?
part of the transcript:
STEWART: Here's just what I wanted to tell you guys.
CARLSON: Yes.
STEWART: Stop.
(LAUGHTER)
STEWART: Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.
BEGALA: OK. Now
(CROSSTALK)
STEWART: And come work for us, because we, as the people...
CARLSON: How do you pay?
STEWART: The people -- not well.
(LAUGHTER)
BEGALA: Better than CNN, I'm sure.
STEWART: But you can sleep at night.
(LAUGHTER)
STEWART: See, the thing is, we need your help. Right now, you're helping the politicians and the corporations. And we're left out there to mow our lawns.
BEGALA: By beating up on them? You just said we're too rough on them when they make mistakes.
STEWART: No, no, no, you're not too rough on them. You're part of their strategies. You are partisan, what do you call it, hacks.
there you go.
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Originally posted by Preon1
is the video actually downloadable?
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831
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So he pretends to be a nonpartisan basher? Have to admit I don't watch his show but from what I've heard about him he is far from being apolitical.
I did watch the video and I think he is being a hypocrite in telling the crossfire guys they are bad for America.
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He does the show he is handed to him.
He has writers to work all of the show together.
I watch his show, he goes after both Bush and Kerry - but since I'm in the "both of them are bellybutton hats" group, I notice it.
Bush slightly more because, well, Bush *IS* the president right now. Not to mention, Bush provides better material.
Kerry's limited material, let's be honest with ourselves - he says the same thing over and over, can only be joked on so much.
Either way, the show itself is more centrist than any real news show/network.
As far as that debate, it's FAR from a meltdown.
-SW
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Comedy guy tells news guys to quit being shills and to start being news guys. Called hypocrit for not being fair and balanced in his comedy........
Film at 11.
:aok
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Drudge is quite the sensationalist. I wonder whatever happened to those amazing revelations of adultery that were going to come out shortly after the Democratic convention. Remember those? The ones that, apparently, Wesley Clark himself confided were going to devastate Kerry's candidacy?
Hm.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Comedy guy tells news guys to quit being shills and to start being news guys. Called hypocrit for not being fair and balanced in his comedy........
Film at 11.
:aok
Once again, when did Crossfire ever pretend to be a news show?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Comedy guy tells news guys to quit being shills and to start being news guys. Called hypocrit for not being fair and balanced in his comedy........
Film at 11.
:aok
Actually... Trey Parker and Matt Stone would have something to say on this subject. I'd tend to agree with them.
Once you choose sides in comedy, it no longer becomes comedy and turns to actually being outright bashing... though humorous. It is rediculous to go to the "I was only joking" card afterwards.
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Originally posted by ra
Once again, when did Crossfire ever pretend to be a news show?
from the CNN website...
CROSSFIRE
Debating the issues that impact your life
Bob Novak and Tucker Carlson on the Right do battle with James Carville and Paul Begala on the Left. Broadcast in front of a live audience and featuring daily political guests, "Crossfire" examines the political and social issues impacting the United States. Check back for specific guests and show topics as one of the longest running political debate shows continues to schedule cutting edge debates focusing on daily news events.
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Weak.
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crossfire like all "debate" shows are entertainment, also boring.
left side....."my side blah blah blah"
right side....."my side blah blah blah"
right back after this message " yada yada yada"
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As for Stewarts numbers being down since the conventions and debate, no kidding. The show has been in reruns for 2 weeks would explain the numbers.
These "journalists" seem to be unable to understand TDS is a parody. These guys must think Stephen Colbert is really doing an expose on Mr. Goodwrench.:rolleyes:
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I think Wulfie hit it on the mark.
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Daily Show was awesome... when Kilborn started it.
Stewart is riding this anti-Bush trend but it will fade, and with it, his fame. Gimmicks only get you so far.
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"MOYERS: When future historians come to write the political story of our times, they will first have to review hundreds of hours of a cable television program called THE DAILY SHOW. You simply can't understand American politics in the new millennium without THE DAILY SHOW.
For example, if you're my age, you no doubt remember the Lincoln-Douglas Debates as the epitome of political discourse. If you're a little younger, you were taught to study the Kennedy-Nixon debates for their revelation of strong opinions, strongly expressed.
But, Lincoln-Douglas, Kennedy-Nixon are nothing compared to a debate conducted recently on THE DAILY SHOW. Moderated not by Public Television's Jim Lehrer, but by a man many consider to be the preeminent political analyst of our time, the distinguished commentator and anchorman, Jon Stewart. Take a look."
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_stewart.html
"I am surrounded by such talented people that I literally, I can just sit there, and advance the script. I am Dr. Exposition on the show. I just advance the script and then they take it from there."
Damn you...Holden McGroin!:lol
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Comedy guy tells news guys to quit being shills and to start being news guys.
Meanwhile Comedy guy is a wannabee news guy, and a bigger shill than anybody not on Fox or CBS.
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I like John Stewart, but he comes across as an bellybutton in that video.
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Aww, Funkypants has a twist in his knickers. He's jealous Stewart is getting attention while his man-crush Kilborn is...where is Kilborn anyway? Oh yeah, he sucked and lost his show.
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Update.. on last night's show Stewart apologized... he said he really meant to call all of them dicks.
See! Nonpartisan.
:)
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Originally posted by AKIron
So he pretends to be a nonpartisan basher? Have to admit I don't watch his show but from what I've heard about him he is far from being apolitical.
I did watch the video and I think he is being a hypocrite in telling the crossfire guys they are bad for America.
"Pretend" is the operative word there.
Just to prove the point to my 16 year old son we kept score one day last week.
Bashes on the right
to Bashes on the left
the show bashed the right over the left at a rate of 7-1
funny show yes. unbiased no
"stewart supporting kerry"
LOL why does this not come across as a startling earthshacking revelation?
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Wait, you used ONE show as evidence?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Wait, you used ONE show as evidence?
-SW
Well yes and no.
I've long since noticed it. In fact to me it was obvious so I never needed to.
Was kinda like seeing the difference between it drizzle out side as opposed to a rain storm.
Dont need a measuring cup to tell you which one is going to produce more rain in an hour
that was just the only one I actually sat down and kept score to prove the point to my son
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
"Pretend" is the operative word there.
Just to prove the point to my 16 year old son we kept score one day last week.
Bashes on the right
to Bashes on the left
the show bashed the right over the left at a rate of 7-1
funny show yes. unbiased no
"stewart supporting kerry"
LOL why does this not come across as a startling earthshacking revelation?
Hey it's all about selling advertising to stoned slackers. Right now the Anti-Bush gimmick is hot with that demographic. It's marketing genius.
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I watched him last night with O'Reilly....he was funny.
He also said that he had not a great love of John Kerry, he just found fault with Bush....very typical of the democrat vote.
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Now.. go back and count how many times he makes fun of the news in general. It is the news media who are really in TDS's sights.
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MT... you are never going to grow if you continue to lie to yourself.
lazs
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You make me feel 10 feet tall already lazs. :cool:
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Tucker Carlson's first two questions were antagonistic; go figure Stewarts reponse was not very polite..
and btw have you fellas seen what Tucker Carlson looks like... skinny pale white jackarse who sports a bow tie for brand typing his style or genre..
This guy is the personification of whinny nerd..... (I hear ogre from [Revenge of the nerds] going.. "Nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrds" name your child Tucker... wtf...
I say both should celebrity deathmatch it and get it over with..
My money is on stewart and the winner or "whiner" gets to go for a title bout with James Carville's shaolin ball headed ball breaking smack fu technique..
DoctorYO
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John Steward vs Tucker Carlson, now that's a slapfight in the making! :D