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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: tapakeg on October 18, 2004, 03:26:43 PM
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Any predictions?
I say it will be close, Bush will win.........Then out come the accusations and conspirocy theories. The lost ballots, miscounts, the voter harassment. The Dems will whine......again, to the point Gore will say, enough already!!!!
God help this country if there is a terrorist attack. Already enough bs about the government planning 9/11
odds on a
re-count?
court ruling?
what will be the wackiest conspirocy theory?
it's going to be messy
Tapakeg
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I'm moving in with lazs until all the rioting and looting stops.
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bring your makarov if you want... don't worry about ammo I got like 2000 rounds of 9x18 stuff. Man.... wouldn't that be a blast? I doubt it tho... we never have any good riots around here.
I think you are right tho tapkeg... The democrats have found a new way to subvert the voter... after all.... they believe that the vast majority of Americans is too stupid to really have a say in the election anyway and.... the end justifies the means. The court is their new weapon of choice and they have all the advantages in that local courts are pretty much liberal socialist in nature.
lazs
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I wouldn't bet on who's going to win the electoral vote, but I'll bet after the electorals are coutnted that it's going to go to the courts again.
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here's mine:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/poll_prediction.jpg)
It won't be close though the media wants you to believe that today, what news is there in a run away contest?
The dems will fight the outcome tooth and nail
when the smoke clears, or the gavel falls - Bush will be President for 4 more years, and the Republicans will still have control of House and Senate
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Yet one more thing that pisses me off about the left....
The "Voter disenfranchisment of blacks" issue would have never happened if Gore won....even though the "issue" would still be there.
That tells me they really don't care what happens as along as there guy wins.
I've been saying it for the last 6 months....this election is going to be won in the courts.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yet one more thing that pisses me off about the left....
The "Voter disenfranchisment of blacks" issue would have never happened if Gore won....even though the "issue" would still be there.
That tells me they really don't care what happens as along as there guy wins.
I've been saying it for the last 6 months....this election is going to be won in the courts.
You are probably right, but you don't honestly believe the Reps would have acted any different had the roles been reversed.... do you?
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>>bring your makarov if you want... don't worry about ammo I got like 2000 rounds of 9x18 stuff. Man.... wouldn't that be a blast? I doubt it tho... we never have any good riots around here.
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Talk about 9/10 oblivous.
Hardware isn't the problem - sinister intentions are. Box cutters took down the buildings. Your 2000 rounds mean squat unless someone knocks on your door and says they're gonna attack you.
There are too many cowboy movies in this country.
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Q: What is the differance between a jet engine and a Democrat?
A: A jet engine quits whining when you shut it down.
hahahahahahahahahah
Yes, I think Bush will win. I think the Demos will spend the next 4 years whimpering and try to pretend they didn't lose.
And maybe MG will move to Canada? I hope so.
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Q: What is the differance between a jet engine and a Democrat?
A: A jet engine quits whining when you shut it down.
hahahahahahahahahah
Yes, I think Bush will win. I think the Demos will spend the next 4 years whimpering and try to pretend they didn't lose.
And maybe MG will move to Canada? I hope so.
dago
MG?
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MG = Ultra liberal annoying ******* that used to frequent this board for the sole purpose of insulting HT and AH. Still a despised regular of the AGW board, had to change his handle as everyone hated him, but was quickly figured out due to his nasty nature.
dago
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Originally posted by lazs2
bring your makarov if you want... don't worry about ammo I got like 2000 rounds of 9x18 stuff. Man.... wouldn't that be a blast? I doubt it tho... we never have any good riots around here.
I think you are right tho tapkeg... The democrats have found a new way to subvert the voter... after all.... they believe that the vast majority of Americans is too stupid to really have a say in the election anyway and.... the end justifies the means. The court is their new weapon of choice and they have all the advantages in that local courts are pretty much liberal socialist in nature.
lazs
A shame you speak of all democrats...
My parents arn't like that..
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lets see.
Terrorist attack few days before election, then bush falls apart and kerry wins.
reason. Spain= testing ground for terrorist/outcome thoery.
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still waiting to see... LANDSLIDE BUSH
come on..
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Originally posted by Nilsen
still waiting to see... LANDSLIDE BUSH
come on..
LOL Yeah just like 2000, courts order the recount stopped and Bush happens to win Florida by 500 odd votes. :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
LOL Yeah just like 2000, courts order the recount stopped and Bush happens to win Florida by 500 odd votes. :lol
...-Gixer
no no... its gonna be a LANDSLIDE!. Eagler told me so. :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
no no... its gonna be a LANDSLIDE!. Eagler told me so. :)
:rofl
I hope Kerry wins just to watch the whining and crying on this board. Especially after a recount or two. LOL
...-Gixer
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Just a history refresher...
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.
In releasing the report, the consortium said it is in no way trying to rewrite history or challenge the official result -- that Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Rather it is simply trying to bring some additional clarity to one of the most confusing chapters in U.S. politics.
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Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a 225-vote margin statewide.
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Originally posted by Gixer
:rofl
I hope Kerry wins just to watch the whining and crying on this board. Especially after a recount or two. LOL
...-Gixer
Worst of it is that if Kerry wins, the O'club is gonna be even more cluttered with Bush fans whining about everything Kerry does (unless some foregin guy says something bad about him that is)
Whatever happens... sanity looses.
:rofl
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So Bush won by 500 or 200 odd votes? Out of a population of how many millions? What's that deciding vote as a percentage?
2000 was a joke and the whole world was laughing.
...-Gixer
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Wow... even this guy?
(http://www.amazonjunglelodges.net/shaman.jpg)
He doesn't look like he's laughing.
Just after this picture was taken, I told him a joke about a country with more sheep than people and he was rolling on the hut floor.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
lets see.
Terrorist attack few days before election, then bush falls apart and kerry wins.
reason. Spain= testing ground for terrorist/outcome thoery.
we are not Spain and the terrorist know this
an attack between now and Nov2 would result in a 100% Republican victory
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Originally posted by Gixer
So Bush won by 500 or 200 odd votes? Out of a population of how many millions? What's that deciding vote as a percentage?
2000 was a joke and the whole world was laughing.
...-Gixer
Yes, a joke...
Maybe we should have given Florida's electoral votes to Al Gore. Never mind that he lost that state, but at least the world wouldnt think its funny that we actually follow our election laws..
The 2000 election was a brilliant display that our system works. We had a very close, disputed election. We took it to the legal system and it was resolved in time for the next president to take offiice as scheduled... No riots, no shootings, no civil war no crisis of succesion, no stoppage of government, no disription ofg services etc... None of that... The system worked...
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Wow... even this guy?
(http://www.amazonjunglelodges.net/shaman.jpg)
He doesn't look like he's laughing.
Just after this picture was taken, I told him a joke about a country with more sheep than people and he was rolling on the hut floor.
wasn't that the King of NZ before the Kiwis ran them all off !
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Gee whiz Holden McGroin, you trying to burst the bubble of delusion some choose to live in? They want to put their beliefs in rhetoric, not fact. Shame on you for trying to shed the light of reality in their groggy eyes. ;)
dago
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relax tweety... the terrorists go after big cities and I don't live in a terrorist target... all I gotta do is worry about the riots... let em trash the big cities. Me and makarov will just pot rioters.
but yeah... it does look like Florida is gonna be the big deal again. What do you foreign guys think? if it is less than... what? 1000 votes for Bush we just throw out that state?
lazs
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Well you could always sell it to uncle Fidel :)
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Originally posted by Gixer
So Bush won by 500 or 200 odd votes? Out of a population of how many millions? What's that deciding vote as a percentage?
2000 was a joke and the whole world was laughing.
...-Gixer
500 to 200 in one state, Besides F*** the whole world and their criminal leaders.:aok
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yep... what should we have done? throw out all the rules because it was close? because the liberal socialists in other countries didn't like the outcome?
playing by the rules.... Bush won. every study since that time by the losers and the winners shows this to be true.
The only election that was ever "stolen" that is sure is the former JFK's... he stole the election... he did not win.
lazs
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Lazs you asked
What do you foreign guys think?
It doesn't matter what we think. The US will do what it wants regardless. We had an empire that did much the same thing once upon a time. It all ended probably quite rightly, as will the great American empire.
What I do think is that you guys need a government that doesn't have the israelis in their back pocket. Then maybe there wouldn't be much need for this so called war on (arab) terror.
Its worth remembering that we have been fighting our own war on terror for a long time. A terror that some of our special relationship buddies in the US actualy supported and paid for! we kind of know all about terrorism and its reasons and effects.
Its a complicated world. I'm not necessarily right its just my opinion.
Whatever happens on your side of the pond, remember might isn't always right! We learned that the hard way.
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more information than I wanted or asked for... I was asking how you thought we should run our elections if not the winner is the winner no matter what the margin.
lazs
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Laz, I think what they want is "unlimited do-overs" until they get the result they want.
And really, that's fair, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Lazs you asked
It doesn't matter what we think. The US will do what it wants regardless. We had an empire that did much the same thing once upon a time. It all ended probably quite rightly, as will the great American empire.
What I do think is that you guys need a government that doesn't have the israelis in their back pocket. Then maybe there wouldn't be much need for this so called war on (arab) terror.
Its worth remembering that we have been fighting our own war on terror for a long time. A terror that some of our special relationship buddies in the US actualy supported and paid for! we kind of know all about terrorism and its reasons and effects.
Its a complicated world. I'm not necessarily right its just my opinion.
Whatever happens on your side of the pond, remember might isn't always right! We learned that the hard way.
Wow, so wrong on so many levels.
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why am I so wrong? Oh go on enlighten me. I'm always ready to listen to reason:)
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Lazs you asked
It doesn't matter what we think. The US will do what it wants regardless. We had an empire that did much the same thing once upon a time. It all ended probably quite rightly, as will the great American empire.
What I do think is that you guys need a government that doesn't have the israelis in their back pocket. Then maybe there wouldn't be much need for this so called war on (arab) terror.
Its worth remembering that we have been fighting our own war on terror for a long time. A terror that some of our special relationship buddies in the US actualy supported and paid for! we kind of know all about terrorism and its reasons and effects.
Its a complicated world. I'm not necessarily right its just my opinion.
Whatever happens on your side of the pond, remember might isn't always right! We learned that the hard way.
Near as I can tell you still do have an empire. Maybe not a "great" one as in times past but an empire nonetheless
I will agree you have been dealing with your own terrorism for a long time. and the reasons, rights and wrongs on that one could be the subject for an entirely different debate.
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Originally posted by Tinpot
why am I so wrong? Oh go on enlighten me. I'm always ready to listen to reason:)
Okay.
America is going to do what it wants to do in our own elections. What's wrong with that? Every country looks after it's own interests and "does what they want to"
What does American support of Israel have to do with world-wide terrorism? Are you saying that if America dropped support of Israel, there would have been no Madrid bombing, no Russian school massacre? Arab terror would stop?
America does not have an empire and never has.
Britain has been fighting a "war" on terrorism for a long time? Maybe that statement could be turned around depending on your point of view. Certainly, the IRA was/is your problem to deal with. Hey, maybe if you had a government that didn't have other little countries around the globe in your back pocket, the IRA would dissapear. ( sarcasim)
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staga.. I don't think uncle fidel can afford to by a 2 bedroom flattop in Florida.
gixer... you act like the supreme court stopped the only recount.... they stopped the third and, in some cases, 4th recount... none of the recouns done latter showed that the supreme court did the wrong thing... just the oppossite.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tinpot
It doesn't matter what we think. The US will do what it wants regardless.
Thank you, finally someone recognizes that fact. Now if you could convince all the Eurotards of this, maybe they would shut up and stop annoying us with their opinion.
We had an empire that did much the same thing once upon a time. It all ended probably quite rightly, as will the great American empire.
Wow, what a great grasp of history you have. All world leading empires eventually fall, this is evident to anyone with even the slightest clue who has ever cracked a world history book.
What you fail to mention is that the British empire was bent on world conquest, attempting to colonize and control all the weak nations on earth, placing British subjects in to rule those weaker country while exploiting the people and the natural resources. The United States has not done that, even with countries we vanquished in war, rather we helped rebuild them and returned them to the native peoples.
What I do think is that you guys need a government that doesn't have the israelis in their back pocket. Then maybe there wouldn't be much need for this so called war on (arab) terror.
I dont disagree entirely, but rather I think we have too strong of an Jewish influence on our congress and elected leaders. If I had a choice, we would greatly pressure Israel to get it's poop together and work to achieve a workable settlement with the Palestinians, or else, after a reasonable time frame, our support would start to taper off.
Its worth remembering that we have been fighting our own war on terror for a long time. A terror that some of our special relationship buddies in the US actualy supported and paid for! we kind of know all about terrorism and its reasons and effects.
Here is a novel concept, since most of the terrorism you have dealt with is caused by British rule in Ireland, pull the hell out and let the Irish control their own country.
Whatever happens on your side of the pond, remember might isn't always right! We learned that the hard way.
I think we understand that just fine, but sad how the rest of the world just loves to pound us for each and ever mistake they think we make, real or imagined.
dago
This is dago, and I approved this message
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Wow... even this guy?
(http://www.amazonjunglelodges.net/shaman.jpg)
He doesn't look like he's laughing.
Just after this picture was taken, I told him a joke about a country with more sheep than people and he was rolling on the hut floor.
THIS GUY FOR PRESIDENT!
the day before the election bush will choke on his own slobber, and kerry will kill himself trying to prove he can use a m16
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Originally posted by Staga
Well you could always sell it to uncle Fidel :)
We the exiles of Uncle Fidel's regime already own Florida. We're working our way North as well. Soon very soon we will recapture all the territory stolen from Spain in the 18th Century. The 21st century will be called the Spanish Century, you'll see buahahahahahaha you'll all see. :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
staga.. I don't think uncle fidel can afford to by a 2 bedroom flattop in Florida.
gixer... you act like the supreme court stopped the only recount.... they stopped the third and, in some cases, 4th recount... none of the recouns done latter showed that the supreme court did the wrong thing... just the oppossite.
lazs
actually even the recount led by none less then Jessie Jackson showed Bush won Fla
Not that there could possibly be anyone less then Jessie Jackson
Cept maybe Micheal Moore:)
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Dago says
Here is a novel concept, since most of the terrorism you have dealt with is caused by British rule in Ireland, pull the hell out and let the Irish control their own country.
Lol Lol.
So Does the same apply in Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Afghanistan? etc?
Come on mate The US has been interfering in other countries buisness for years and not very openly at times. Go and learn some history.
You acuse me of being simplistic. (it helps as this a BB not an essay lol ) But realy do you honestly believe the good old USof A realy returns people to freedom without first making sure that that freedom benefits the US themselves in some way.
Ever heard of the saying "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander?"
All western powers are at it, the scary bit for those of us outside the US is that they have all the might and economical clout right now to dictate a world view based entirely on their rather limited grasp of how that world functions.
Go on argue with me though maybe we should start a new thread as this one was origionaly about your elections. Something I might add appears on our news rather a lot. I wonder if your media concentrates so hard on what is going on outside in the world?
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Originally posted by Gixer
So Bush won by 500 or 200 odd votes? Out of a population of how many millions? What's that deciding vote as a percentage?
2000 was a joke and the whole world was laughing.
...-Gixer
A close election where emotions ran high resolved peacefully and not a single shot fired. What exactly was the "whole world" laughing at?
I think we need a new word that describes displacing one's feelings of inferiority by ridiculing the US. I hereby declare this word to be "Gixer".
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
actually even the recount led by none less then Jessie Jackson showed Bush won Fla
Not that there could possibly be anyone less then Jessie Jackson
Cept maybe Micheal Moore:)
Speakin of Florida, boy, whatta screwed-up state. They whinin already about how things aren't gonna go right. Whoever's runnin the election process down there is a total boob.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Speakin of Florida, boy, whatta screwed-up state. They whinin already about how things aren't gonna go right. Whoever's runnin the election process down there is a total boob.
I'm thinking we may be seeing some of that "pre-emption" from the DNC guidebook. Maybe things aren't really so out of control there?
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Evidenced by this thread - the election is already a ****ing mess.
Everyone is looking everywhere for something that may or may not exist just so they can claim the other side is throwing in a monkey wrench.
Sweet baby jebus, I can't wait.
-SW
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Well, you can bet that if we have la Revolucion in this country the Republic of Texas won't be joining the UN. :D
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Atleast with Bush, we won't let the UN become more powerful. I could tolerate staying in the US.
With Kerry, I think he will let the UN become more powerful - especially within our own affairs.
I'll do the Cuban thing and turn my car into a boat. Where I end up, I hope it's sunny with hot chicks in skimpy swimsuits that all want me and the beer flows freely.
-SW
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>>relax tweety... the terrorists go after big cities and I don't live in a terrorist target... all I gotta do is worry about the riots... let em trash the big cities. Me and makarov will just pot rioters.
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Sounds like you're planning a crime.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well, you can bet that if we have la Revolucion in this country the Republic of Texas won't be joining the UN. :D
in that event I'd be moving to Texas :)
Speaking of which.
I heard a funny rumour the other day that Alaska says if the Texans dont shut up about how big they are they are going to subdivide and make Texas the 3rd largest state:D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
in that event I'd be moving to Texas :)
Speaking of which.
I heard a funny rumour the other day that Alaska says if the Texans dont shut up about how big they are they are going to subdivide and make Texas the 3rd largest state:D
Hehe, I musta heard that one 50 times from a guy I used to work with while in the AF. He was of course from Alaska and I probably asked for it every time. :)
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Tinpot, if you can't see the differance, you truely have not paid attention to history.
Britain - want to colonize and control. Dont want to leave, want to make everyone a subject, paying taxes and bowing to the royalty while serving the ruling British elite.
USA - Never tried to maintain control, never attempted to establish US rule. Trying to leave a government that would realize mutual benefits, yes, but colonize and rule? Nope.
Let me quote Colin Powell: Powell said, "We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace.
Can the same be said for Britain?
dago
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Truly you are a fine and loyal son of the US of A !!!
I will not argue as I belive this thread is about your election and we are in danger of hijacking it here! So I'll leave it for now.
For the record I think you are wrong but hey we are allowed to disagree thats democracy I believe!
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Originally posted by Tinpot
For the record I think you are wrong but hey we are allowed to disagree thats democracy I believe!
No. Its an Empire.
You said so yourself :D
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Originally posted by slimm50
Speakin of Florida, boy, whatta screwed-up state. They whinin already about how things aren't gonna go right. Whoever's runnin the election process down there is a total boob.
Just like in your state all elections boards are county run so your insult would need to be county specific. In any event all of the county seats are run by the Democratic Party in Florida IIRC so it really surprises no one. What's the only things that come from Texas? Do you have horns? :D
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Originally posted by Gixer
LOL Yeah just like 2000, courts order the recount stopped and Bush happens to win Florida by 500 odd votes. :lol
...-Gixer
Don't be so ignorant....there were three recounts....how many times do you want to recount the same districts before it becomes clear who won.
Ignorance pisses me off
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tweety... I am in no way planning a crime. What are you so pissy about?
lazs
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Do you think the Democrats can afford to have another candidate whine and cry about another close election? I think Kerry / Edwards will definitely try with some accusations of voter intimidation, uncounted ballats, whatever. A high power Democrat who is actually looking after the overall image and long term stability of the party will yank their chains. They can't afford to appear to be crybabies every election. It will push voters away. I do think Al Gore was TOLD not to run in 2004.
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tapakeg... I truely believe that the democrats would do or say anything to win the election... I don't think they give the long run much thought. They believe the American people are incapable of keeping any thought in their head for more than the next soundbite.
I also believe that many of the frieghtened girly men on this board will man up and vote for Bush once they are in the booth away from theri women.
lazs
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But you Bush supporters ought to realize that most of the rest of the world laughs at that bloke. I mean he can't even string a decent sentence together. If he isn't a bit congenitaly stupid ( probably a bit inbred like our royal shower ) he's a better actor than Reagan was. I lived next to the nukes that guy and his mistress Thatcher landed our little nation with. We were tgt for tonight during the 80's.
As for Kerry the man looks so sad and knackered I don't think he'd have the energy to be a president!
In short not much of a choice.
Your welcome to either of them. Just please leave the rest of the world alone. Their regimes might not be great but let them change them for themselves unless they come knocking on your door with an invasion fleet to try and change yours! Then force might be usefull. We learn't that in 1939! lol
Anyway vote away and let the best of the two clowns win!
P.S I know we are wrapped up in this regime change stuff but that Blair chap good as he is in many respects ought to have kept our boys at home for this one!
Cue the anti liberal, brit bashing, euro bashing vitriol.........
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Originally posted by Tinpot
But you Bush supporters ought to realize that most of the rest of the world laughs at that bloke. I mean he can't even string a decent sentence together. If he isn't a bit congenitaly stupid ( probably a bit inbred like our royal shower ) he's a better actor than Reagan was. I lived next to the nukes that guy and his mistress Thatcher landed our little nation with. We were tgt for tonight during the 80's.
As for Kerry the man looks so sad and knackered I don't think he'd have the energy to be a president!
In short not much of a choice.
Your welcome to either of them. Just please leave the rest of the world alone. Their regimes might not be great but let them change them for themselves unless they come knocking on your door with an invasion fleet to try and change yours! Then force might be usefull. We learn't that in 1939! lol
Anyway vote away and let the best of the two clowns win!
P.S I know we are wrapped up in this regime change stuff but that Blair chap good as he is in many respects ought to have kept our boys at home for this one!
Cue the anti liberal, brit bashing, euro bashing vitriol.........
Saddam isn't laughing and Kaddafhi is hiding under his mother's skirt. :D
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Which country would you like to march into and mash up next????
Oh and can you stop shooting our troops and journalists please. We are supposed to be on the same side.
:rolleyes:
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Just please leave the rest of the world alone. Their regimes might not be great but let them change them for themselves unless they come knocking on your door with an invasion fleet to try and change yours!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/279_1098219500_sept-11.jpg)
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Your welcome to either of them. Just please leave the rest of the world alone. Their regimes might not be great but let them change them for themselves unless they come knocking on your door with an invasion fleet to try and change yours! Then force might be usefull. We learn't that in 1939! lol
I find this very curious.. Are you suggesting that we should leave world problems alone until they develop into the sort of crisis that was WW2? And act only then? Act only in response to an attack? Strange, if anything, I would have thought that Euope learned the folly of appeasment and inaction with Hitler and men like him - not the opposite..
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Originally posted by Tinpot
But you Bush supporters ought to realize that most of the rest of the world laughs at that bloke. I mean he can't even string a decent sentence together. If he isn't a bit congenitaly stupid ( probably a bit inbred like our royal shower ) he's a better actor than Reagan was. I lived next to the nukes that guy and his mistress Thatcher landed our little nation with. We were tgt for tonight during the 80's.
The real problem is what you are shown and what really happens.
Sure Bush gets tongue tied at times but it's not everytime he speaks like the media/liberals want you to believe.
He may be a lot of things but stupid is not one of them.
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Tapakeg
Sadam did not do that.
A bunch of very pissed of arabs did.
Why were they pissed off?
Because of the arrogance of the USA and its unbending support for a nation that stole arab land bulldozes their homes, deprives them of their rights, kills them with tanks, and forces them to live in ghettos and camps. AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER from their own experiences!!!!!
The lesson,
EVIL breeds EVIL and the destruction of the WTC was evil.
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Why were they pissed off?
Because of the arrogance of the USA and its unbending support for a nation that stole arab land bulldozes their homes, deprives them of their rights, kills them with tanks, and forces them to live in ghettos and camps. AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER from their own experiences!!!!!
You would think this is the reason, but no. It's a good one to throw around for someone who is not a fundamintalist muslim crap head that believes the world should be run by a muslim and ruled under their laws of suppression.
Let's say we pull our support for Isreal, become strict isolationists, and mind our own buisness. First off, that sounds good to me, the isolationist part, but more importantly second... they're not going to stop.
There is no negotiating with zealots and terrorist crap heads, specifically the muslim terroist crap heads. To beleive that doing what ever it is they want us to do will stop terrorism is ignorant and missguided, it won't.
As for the election; my choices are limited. I will be voting for Bush. Why, because I'm a stupid missinformed American who can only aspire to reach the hights that the euro's have obviously reached.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well, you can bet that if we have la Revolucion in this country the Republic of Texas won't be joining the UN. :D
:lol :aok
AKIron....I would like to be defense Secratary of Texas please.
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Originally posted by Tinpot
But you Bush supporters ought to realize that most of the rest of the world laughs at that bloke. I mean he can't even string a decent sentence together. If he isn't a bit congenitaly stupid ( probably a bit inbred like our royal shower ) he's a better actor than Reagan was. I lived next to the nukes that guy and his mistress Thatcher landed our little nation with. We were tgt for tonight during the 80's.
and what you eurio/brit folks need to realise is most of us in the USA couldnt care less about what the people of has been or never was countries laugh at or think of our leaders.
For sure I'll take Bush over Kerry.
but if it came down to it I'd sure as hell take Kerry over any of the leaders n the other side of the pond hands down
You should be thankful for Blair and Thatcher. they are the only two of just about any of the euro countries since Churchill that have shown to have anything resembling a spine whatsoever
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Tapakeg
Sadam did not do that.
A bunch of very pissed of arabs did.
Why were they pissed off?
Because of the arrogance of the USA and its unbending support for a nation that stole arab land bulldozes their homes, deprives them of their rights, kills them with tanks, and forces them to live in ghettos and camps. AND SHOULD KNOW BETTER from their own experiences!!!!!
The lesson,
EVIL breeds EVIL and the destruction of the WTC was evil.
Perhaps you need to re read your history to see how it got that way to begin with.
I seem to remember an Island empire doing just a little bit more then meddling in the mideast dating back not just to the recreation of Isreal but dating back centuries.
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hum lets look into the mind of a teorrorist which is an iq of 10.0
LOLZ! IT WORKED IN SPAIN THEN CLEARLY IT CAN WORK IM AMEERIKA!
Are you willing to bet they aren't going to try something? If you are then clearly you are wrong. Keep in mind the terrorist iq of 10.
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>>tweety... I am in no way planning a crime. What are you so pissy about?
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Probably just having a bad day, and I know you aren't seriously conspiring to shoot people rioting or looting. It was probably just a knee jerk comeback to the "Relax tweety" little pat on the head :D
It is ironic that shooting a looter may not be a crime, but conspiring to do so always is.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
You would think this is the reason, but no. It's a good one to throw around for someone who is not a fundamintalist muslim crap head that believes the world should be run by a muslim and ruled under their laws of suppression.
Let's say we pull our support for Isreal, become strict isolationists, and mind our own buisness. First off, that sounds good to me, the isolationist part, but more importantly second... they're not going to stop.
There is no negotiating with zealots and terrorist crap heads, specifically the muslim terroist crap heads. To beleive that doing what ever it is they want us to do will stop terrorism is ignorant and missguided, it won't.
As for the election; my choices are limited. I will be voting for Bush. Why, because I'm a stupid missinformed American who can only aspire to reach the hights that the euro's have obviously reached.
Zip, good to see you back in the OC. :) We share very similiar feelings regarding US politics. Wish we lived closer so we could tip another back...and another...another...designate d driver anyone?
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
hum lets look into the mind of a teorrorist which is an iq of 10.0
LOLZ! IT WORKED IN SPAIN THEN CLEARLY IT CAN WORK IM AMEERIKA!
Are you willing to bet they aren't going to try something? If you are then clearly you are wrong. Keep in mind the terrorist iq of 10.
And if they do Bush will win in a landslide
Or so says a political commentator I saw.
He does predict that the last week before the election will determine who wins.
If nothing happens and/or no major news event happens involving either candidate Kerry will win.
IF there is an attack of any sort. Bush will win because he is still largely seen as being stronger on terror
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I reckon the only way Bush is gonna win is for him to sign a form authorizing the thawing out of Bin Laden's frozen arse and proping the corpse up for some Leno show type hand puppet skit, or to make another night-flight to venus er I mean Iraq and serve turkey to an unsuspecting but hand-picked group of soldiers.
Either you are with the turkey, or you are against the turkey.
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Originally posted by Nash
I reckon the only way Bush is gonna win is to sign a form authorizing the thawing out of Bin Laden's frozen arse and prop the corpse up on the Leno show, or to make another night-flight to venus er I mean Iraq and serve turkey to an unsuspecting but hand-picked group of soldiers.
Either you are with the turkey, or you are against the turkey.
Beginning to look to me like the only way Bush won't win is if we let the French and Canadians vote. ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135932,00.html
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Blah blah blah blah:
See?: foxnewslink
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Even CBS admits to a Bush lead though they claim it is razor thin and that Bush is in trouble. Guess we'll see who is more accurate come Nov 2nd won't we? Should Bush win by a large margin I'll be sure to point which "news" network got it right and which tried to influence the election based on their bias.
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If I didn't care about you AKIron, then I'd say if that's the way that you want it, then that's the way I want it more.
Thankfully, I think y'all are gonna save yourselves from yourselves this time around.
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Looks like Malaysia is calling it for Bush.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=5206
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I appreciate the sentiment Nash but I think we'll keep our own counsel in this.
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Right you will...
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Bush landing on the aircraft carrier was a publicity stunt.
Bush landing Air Force One in Baghdad on a major holiday and eating with the troops was him truly showing respect and giving moral to the troops. I doubt there is any servicemember who thought that was a publicity stunt.
Tapakeg
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You should be thankful for Blair and Thatcher. they are the only two of just about any of the euro countries since Churchill that have shown to have anything resembling a spine whatsoever
Don't expect any thanks for Thatcher from anywhere in the North of England.
And Blair is nothing more then Bush's Poodle as he keeps on demonstrating time and time again. Not to mention the recent high piched barking in his support to move British troops to Baghdad.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by tapakeg
Bush landing on the aircraft carrier was a publicity stunt.
Bush landing Air Force One in Baghdad on a major holiday and eating with the troops was him truly showing respect and giving moral to the troops. I doubt there is any servicemember who thought that was a publicity stunt.
Tapakeg
Bush is a strong commander in chief. Hes no flip flopper.
[size=20]LANDSLIDE BUSH!!![/SIZE]
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Interesting that you blokes on the other side of the world have a better grasp of recent British history than our big neighbours over the pond. You are right Thatcher was a ***** of the highest order who got ouyr boys killed in the south atlantic to win an election. Oh hang on isn't Bush doing just that too!!! ?
Oh and drediok yes we did help make the mess though If I remember Correctly when palastine was under our influence we tried to turn the ships away and limit jewish immigration into that country, only to be told in no uncertain terms by our bigger and stronger freinds ( because we had been brought to our knees fighting hitler alone for 3 years ) to let them in.
For the record what was done to those people was a crime against humanity but that doesn't excuse their modern day crime against the Palastinians. Cmon you'd be pretty pissed off if someone bulldosed your home.
Anyhow I'm praying that Bush doesn't get elected and that Kerry actualy does give a damn about what we all think.
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Tinpot, you never responded to my rebuke
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Tinpot, you seem a bit crazed.
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Coming to take me away :rofl They are coming to take me away :rofl Ha Ha Ha Ha
No just passionate about stuff now and again. Stops me shouting at the TV Ooooh er lol lol
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Interesting that you blokes on the other side of the world have a better grasp of recent British history than our big neighbours over the pond. You are right Thatcher was a ***** of the highest order who got ouyr boys killed in the south atlantic to win an election. Oh hang on isn't Bush doing just that too!!! ?
Sorry, could'nt resist any longer.
Tinpot, are you saying that Thatcher defended the Fawklands in order to win an election? Why would a war in the Fawklands help her win an election? ( trick question warning)
Now, you say Bush went to Iraq to win an election? How so? The Iraq war was never popular. How does going to war in Iraq help Bush get re elected?
Damn......
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Thatcher saved the British economy, pure and simple. The fact that she pissed off and put out of work a bunch of tyrannical, selfish, communist coal miners in the process is better still.
Maggie!!!
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I'm just gonna save the time and go ahead and state that "I win!" :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thatcher saved the British economy, pure and simple. The fact that she pissed off and put out of work a bunch of tyrannical, selfish, communist coal miners in the process is better still.
Maggie!!!
Tinpot is funny..he said Thatcher went to war in the Fawlands in order to win an election. What point is he trying to make? Is he saying the the war was so popular in Britain that it caused her re-election??? Funny:)
If the majority of Brits thought the war was worth it, what is he complaining about?
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But a war can be won many ways. What I was refering to was the fact that Bush wants to use the British regiment of the Black Watch in and around Baghdad so that he can crow about how strong the coalition is whilst our soldiers get killed.
Get em all home before any more of ours or yours get killed. ( I've got two freinds over there and they don't want to be there any more ) Let the Iraqis make there own mess and clear it up.
The only victory will be seeing western troops out of Iraq. We got rid of Saddam for them now let them sort the rest out.
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Originally posted by Tinpot
But a war can be won many ways. What I was refering to was the fact that Bush wants to use the British regiment of the Black Watch in and around Baghdad so that he can crow about how strong the coalition is whilst our soldiers get killed.
Get em all home before any more of ours or yours get killed. ( I've got two freinds over there and they don't want to be there any more ) Let the Iraqis make there own mess and clear it up.
The only victory will be seeing western troops out of Iraq. We got rid of Saddam for them now let them sort the rest out.
You said Thatcher went to war to get elected again. How does that figure in your feeble mind? Was the war so unpopular that Thatcher needed it to gain re election? Christ.
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Thatcher was struggling in the polls at the time. Britain was in economoic and financial poo. Millions were out of work. War was a convenient smokescreen to cover up the almighty mess she made of many peoples lives. A mess some parts of this country haven't fully recovered from even now. It was a pointless waste of lives for a small rock in the south atlantic and was used to bolster her image as a strong leader. She was an out and out *****
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thatcher saved the British economy, pure and simple. The fact that she pissed off and put out of work a bunch of tyrannical, selfish, communist coal miners in the process is better still.
Maggie!!!
She pissed alot more people off then just the coal miners. Refering to coal miners as selfish communists is nieve in the extreme. As my dad certinly isn't any of that.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Thatcher was struggling in the polls at the time. Britain was in economoic and financial poo. Millions were out of work. War was a convenient smokescreen to cover up the almighty mess she made of many peoples lives. A mess some parts of this country haven't fully recovered from even now. It was a pointless waste of lives for a small rock in the south atlantic and was used to bolster her image as a strong leader. She was an out and out *****
Why would the war create a positive effect for Thatcher, as opposed to a negative?
I Win.
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Yes the 1970s were much better, when the happy coal miners shut down the nation at will... Hey wasnt one government even forced to cut the working week to 2 or 3 days because the selfish, tyrannical communists coal miners unions made enery prices so high and resisted many alternative energy supplies...
:rofl :rofl
Gixer I'm sure you love your father, but if he ever supported the coal union behavior of the era then he is as big a part of the problem as anyone...
Thanks Maggie!
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TINPOT,
My dad is from Newcastle, all my family from his side are from around the North of England and Scotland.
Myself, I've spent about 6 years in total living in the UK off and on.
...-Gixer
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Sadly people are daft and shallow. People love to retreat into a cosy jingoistic flag waving fever. Helps em forget what else is going on. You chaps should know all about that. You have some problems at home there in the USA. perhaps you ought to devote some of that multi million dollar defence budget to sorting them out instead of messing about in other peoples countries.
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Help when its needed and wanted by the people you are trying to help. Then they will be gratefull for it. But Don't ever try to help if help is not asked for. You'll be damned for that.
I said that
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Sadly people are daft and shallow. People love to retreat into a cosy jingoistic flag waving fever. Helps em forget what else is going on. You chaps should know all about that. You have some problems at home there in the USA. perhaps you ought to devote some of that multi million dollar defence budget to sorting them out instead of messing about in other peoples countries.
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Help when its needed and wanted by the people you are trying to help. Then they will be gratefull for it. But Don't ever try to help if help is not asked for. You'll be damned for that.
I said that
Sadly, you know not.
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WAR ON TERROR
2 more words...
LANDSLIDE BUSH!!!
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Tinpot, you have not been able to directly argue a point with me. Why?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Gixer I'm sure you love your father, but if he ever supported the coal union behavior of the era then he is as big a part of the problem as anyone...
No, none of my family were miners during the era of Thatcher (They were miners before and after the Wars 1&2) but they did get to watch her destroy more then just the coal industry in the north.
I don't know how much you know about England other then what you've read in books or the net, or if you've ever been there for any length of time. But Thatcher wasn't all that, that you make her out to be. And she is truly hated to this day north of the Midlands. And not just by the working class.
Sorry but your completely wrong on this one.
...-Gixer
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I think I did Nuke! or maybe you only comprehend one line blaze type answers.
Read Gixers responses he is entirely right. He lives on the other side of the planet to me yet still bothers to understand other parts of the world. Why can't you Americans do that?
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There's nothing so good as a good debate. It gets the brain working and if you are ready to listen, teaches you something.
Don't know who said that but is true ;o)
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Originally posted by Tinpot
I think I did Nuke! or maybe you only comprehend one line blaze type answers.
Read Gixers responses he is entirely right. He lives on the other side of the planet to me yet still bothers to understand other parts of the world. Why can't you Americans do that?
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There's nothing so good as a good debate. It gets the brain working and if you are ready to listen, teaches you something.
Don't know who said that but is true ;o)
Well, America is on the other side of the world also. Why not try arguing with your own intelect?
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Originally posted by Tinpot
He lives on the other side of the planet to me yet still bothers to understand other parts of the world. Why can't you Americans do that?
It is intresting Nuke, that in one breath your nemesis can chastize Americans for not understanding attitudes of foreigners and then doesn't understand Americans, who to him are foreigners.
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mmm yes perhaps you are right there. I don't understand you as well as I ought to.
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Doesn't mean i think US foreign policy or Bush's version is right though.
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As Blair and Bush share Iraqi policy, check up on British Foreign policy history just for fun.
Provisional Govt of Iraq 1920, Iraqi King Faisal, Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., Balfour decision of Palestine, 1961 Kuwaiti independence from Britian.
The western european mindset has been fooling around with the arabic mindset for a long time, and the two don't necessarily mesh well.
The reason Columbus sailed west to get to the orient 500 years ago was to find a way to get spices without dealing with Arabs.
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I know that the UK hardly has a great history in meddling. Hopefully we ought to have learnt by now but unfortunately we haven't. Well our leaders anyhow.
The point is we ought to get out now.
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Originally posted by Nash
If I didn't care about you AKIron, then I'd say if that's the way that you want it, then that's the way I want it more.
Thankfully, I think y'all are gonna save yourselves from yourselves this time around.
What makes you so certain Nash?
You figger out a way to hack into the electoral college computer system?
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Originally posted by Tinpot
Oh and drediok yes we did help make the mess though If I remember Correctly when palastine was under our influence we tried to turn the ships away and limit jewish immigration into that country, only to be told in no uncertain terms by our bigger and stronger freinds ( because we had been brought to our knees fighting hitler alone for 3 years ) to let them in.
For the record what was done to those people was a crime against humanity but that doesn't excuse their modern day crime against the Palastinians. Cmon you'd be pretty pissed off if someone bulldosed your home.
Anyhow I'm praying that Bush doesn't get elected and that Kerry actualy does give a damn about what we all think.
Well it goes a little farther back thenRecent history Lets also not forget a little thing called "the Crusades" LOL
If I remmber correctly the US didnt even recognise Isreal as a country untill the 1960's
I'm forced to agree with you on the Palistine issue to a certain extent. but I see wrongs on both sides there mostly due to poor leadership on both sides.
But as the number of Isreal born palastinian citizens grows I suspect this will either change, or force Isreal to take the same steps Hitler did.
I beleive I remember readins somewhere that at the current rate of population growth by 2020 Isreali born Palistinians will outnumber Isreali Jews
in any event it Should be at the very least...Interesting
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a little confusing here tinpot... you say we are to blame for englands insignificance in the world because we waited till we were attacked by an "invasion fleet" in WWII yet...
you chastise us for trying to stop a tyrant from terrorism and domination of his neighbors? Is it that we only help when britan wants it that matters?
And... I would say that like allmost all socialist subjects.... you don't understand the free American.
In a lot of ways we are alike but not in that. I believe that the UK still operates on a class rule and royalty. I believe that the people simply fight for scraps from the royals tables (socialism). In the U.S. we despise classes and consantly bemoan increases in even economic differences.
As for being interested in the rest of the worlds politics... why bother? they are boring and unremarkable. Why you bother with ours is beyond me.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tinpot
I know that the UK hardly has a great history in meddling. Hopefully we ought to have learnt by now but unfortunately we haven't. Well our leaders anyhow.
The point is we ought to get out now.
The lessons learned from American foreign policy, it's easy to overthrow and/or suppress a democracy but a dictatorship is another story.
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Originally posted by lazs2
a little confusing here tinpot... you say we are to blame for englands insignificance in the world
How is England Insignificant in the world? Comments like that, only confirm your arrogance. And what some people see as typically American.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Zip, good to see you back in the OC. :) We share very similiar feelings regarding US politics. Wish we lived closer so we could tip another back...and another...another...designate d driver anyone?
Been awhile man. I haven’t been up much either so I rarely see anyone.
You have to convince the wife to do the family thing again and head back to Lee’s Summit. I might even be able to rustle up Rude, Toad, Stringer, and Milo.
We’ll flip a coin for the designated driver… of course we can always call a cab ;).
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Been awhile man. I haven’t been up much either so I rarely see anyone.
You have to convince the wife to do the family thing again and head back to Lee’s Summit. I might even be able to rustle up Rude, Toad, Stringer, and Milo.
We’ll flip a coin for the designated driver… of course we can always call a cab ;).
Absolutely. We'll be back soon. Never know, maybe next year...Stringer won't come though (aka Cobra) ;)
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Originally posted by slimm50
Speakin of Florida, boy, whatta screwed-up state. They whinin already about how things aren't gonna go right. Whoever's runnin the election process down there is a total boob.
It's not Floridians it's displaced Folks from New York that have caused the problems, look at the demographics of where the problems were from, Palm Beach, Broward and Miami counties.
No problem in Ocala or any other Florida cities,
guess the problem is the Forken Yanks from Hilierys state.