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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kj714 on October 19, 2004, 03:18:48 PM
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All around package deal best warrior.
Factoring in with / without ENY limitations , even though I know that's a moving target, would be good.
I wonder what "average" ENY limitation would be guessed at anyway?
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since you said "all around", i would have to say the P38. the ord load out is great and it can hold its own with most planes in the plane set.
~S~
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The problem with the 38 is its combination of poor visability and sluggish handling at speed. One on one or in a small furball its awesome but its a tough plane for the "average goober" to fly in a high threat enviornment. F6F and -1 hog offer alot of the same positives with a bit better survivability for most.
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i used to say Spit IX was best all round fighter, seems Spit V is better these days, and stupid fuel burn means spits are very short legged or so it seems.
N1k has to be best all rounder with range, ammo, manouverablility and performance im ashamed to say. :(
F6f is great all rounder, i just hate 50cals though.
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P51
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Ah yes, the F6F, haven't flown that in a while.
The 190's seem to be quite popular too.
The vis thing just kills the P-38 for me, although I do like the plane.
I've been trying to work my way up through the 109's lately, with mixed success.
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Originally posted by humble
The problem with the 38 is its combination of poor visability and sluggish handling at speed. One on one or in a small furball its awesome but its a tough plane for the "average goober" to fly in a high threat enviornment. F6F and -1 hog offer alot of the same positives with a bit better survivability for most.
To get around the visibility problems, just adjust your head positions.
And for the sluggish handling "at speed", what speed are you talking about? Between 300mph IAS and 400mph IAS it handles quite nicely with a very responsive roll. Once you get up around 425mph IAS do the controls become a little stiff but I think you'll find that out with many planes as they reach their upper limits because of the aerodynamic forces that come into play at higher speeds.
Definitely not a plane for new players unless they want to spend a lot of time in the error zone of trial and error.
ack-ack
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I think La-7 is the best MA-fighter as it used to be in AH1.
It seems to turn better in AH2 than it did in AH1 and still has the highest speed in the deck of the non-perked planes.
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best plane = whatever you're good in that churns out perks.
Spit V & IX are both really popular, but I don't fly them so no opinion. I land the most kills in a P-51D, but it's crap perks. N1k's seem to have really good balance of performance/handling/gun, it's just not too terribly fast so I don't fly it. 190D9 is nice if you do alot of rolling & the WEP is really fast. P-38s are another great balance. Quick, turns good, great vertical fighting, lots of gas, jabo options, pretty durable, and the nose guns are really convenient. Twin engines are also pretty user-friendly to newer players. Only downside to it is bad view & the fact that it's hard to miss.
Ask most others in my squad & they'll say LA-7. I think it attracts too much attention, the ammo load is too small, & it doesn't have enough gas. That's just my opinion though, as there are alot of excellent LA-7 drivers out there :aok
As for my personal pick (far from the best/most balanced fighter) is the 109G-10. Stupid amounts of horsepower, a 30mm cannon, and an airframe that punishes mistakes with a quick trip to the tower after a 450+ mph compressed dive... but it makes enough perks & is scary enough to be fun. :eek:
Indy007
ShiznotZ!
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The La-5 is very underrated.
:) Good points:
1. At 5k, it is the 13th fastest plane in AH.
2. Very manuverable.
3. Excellent climb rate, especially below 8,000 feet.
4. Two 20mm cannons, with plenty of ammo (200 rounds per gun), nose mounted (so no convergence problems).
5. ENY is 30, I believe, so you can fly it anytime and get lots of perks.
:( Bad points:
1. Stalls rather abruptly.
2. View could be better, but setting custom views helps a lot.
3. Short range / no drop tank.
MRPLUTO
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All around package deal best warrior.
Factoring in with / without ENY limitations , even though I know that's a moving target, would be good.
I use the 190A8 with the 4 20mm cannons option. Very powerful guns package.
ENY is 25, so you are fairly unrestricted. Fast, excellent roll rate, turns like a lumber wagon with flat tires. Don't expect to outrun Ponys, LA7s, 109 G10s. It is about as fast on the deck as a NIKI.
It doesn't turn fight well, so always have a planned egress route.
http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/Fw190A8.htm (http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/Fw190A8.htm) Is a good link for ideas on the A8.
It is pretty good, so far this month I am 92/8 k/d in it. :aok
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Eh, La-7 is the best fighter we've got, bar none. Tempest runs a close second. After that'd I break it up into the "turn fighter" and "fast plane" categories and go with Spit 9, Spit 5, Hurri 2C, Niki in the first category, and Typhoon, P-51, D-9 (iffy) in the second.
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Urchin:
I believe he was asking what is the best plane given the new ENY system. That is, one you can fly even with the ENY restrictions.
Without a doubt the Pony D, and the LA7 are top contenders in the non-perks if you don't consider ENY restrictions. They were all I flew before ENY restrictions changed life for the worse :(
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Not one mention of the humble zeke? Whats more fun than makin 5 gangers turn in circles while makin pass after pass? Sure ya die as soon as you straighten out for kill shot but u can usually get a few to auger or killshoot. I tell ya what get 5 or 6 of em 10k and watch your enemy get really confused about how to attack your formation lol.
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202, Spit 1 and Hurri 1
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With the ENY I think the P47D-11, F4U-1, 109F-4/G-2 and 190A-5 are the best. All of them have advantages and weakensses (none have a good bomb load), but on balance they can all be very lethal to any plane in the game and it would be hard to imagine a situation where any would be locked out from the ENY system. The F4F is one of the best base defence perk harvester's too.
Without ENY, the usual suspects, La7, 51-D, 190D-9, Spit 9.
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I'm really surprised no one mentioned the Uber C Hog. With no ENY restrictions the plane is a world-beater.
With ENY restrictions my vote goes to... the IL2
Ok, I know you think I'm quite mad, but this plane literally chews up GVs with Guns alone and spits 'em out in a way no other plane can. It shrugs off .50 cal fire like no other single engined AC in the game, and can tear apart any other plane in the Head On (I've even surprised 110 G-2s in this respect as the 23mm is a balistic dream compared to the flaming grapefruit thrower). Add to that the fact that it outturns most of the fighters.
You essentially have a slower Hurri 2C with better survivability and the best Cannon pack in the game. Plus you can safely ditch em at speeds up to 250mph! Nothing is more fun than robbing an LA7 or Spit IX dweeb of his kill with a ditch in safe territory.
:D
I luvs 'em.
- SEAGOON
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P40B. Everyone fears the B.
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The 190A5 usually has the highest K/D of the non-perked planes, and it has a good ENY. It is easy to rack up kills in this if you are good at BnZ. If serious jabo is part of the mix I would go with the P47D-25 or -40, both have pretty good ENY and are great for BnZ. No furballing with the ghey hordes in any of these planes, though.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
P40B. Everyone fears the B.
No one expects the P40B! (in the Monty Python 'No one expects the Spanish Inquistion" voice) :D
Bazi
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/thedudeDVant/2gunsfiring.gif)pa-pa-pa-P-38 POWER!!!!!!!!
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I don't know why but the 109 G6 is best prop plane for me this tour. Arena wide the Tempest has the best K/D at going by the link in my signature.
Otherwise, I am wierd, but I like the Hurricane II C
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La7 is the best non-perked fighter. Fuel limitations puts it into one-way ride, or base defender thought.
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Seagoon:
I'm really surprised no one mentioned the Uber C Hog. With no ENY restrictions the plane is a world-beater.
The C Hog is a perk ride. IMVHO it should not be perked but that is an old bone, no one chews on it anymore.
Hulluva fine ride though :)
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The P51D, The 109D9, The Typhoon, The Spitfire 9, The Seafire, The 109F4, The F4U D and 1, and The P40E (in the right hands)!
Those are basically my Fav planes!
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P51 i would say is the most survivable fighter in the MA.
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Hum.. I thought it said without ENY limit.
Well... it is easy enough, just move down the list till you find one that isn't ENY'd out.
P-51B is a good choice if you are looking to rack up some perks... 4 .50s is plenty enough firepower with good aim and short convergence.
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fork tailed devile-nuff said
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No one mentioned the amazing...
Supermarine Spitfire Mk V !!!!!!!!!!!
:aok
-Paul
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190 f8, great guns, load out, and out turns lota stuff ias200
only down side is its way heavy
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Originally posted by YUCCA
P51 i would say is the most survivable fighter in the MA.
OK, what did you do with the REAL Yucca?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Paul33
No one mentioned the amazing...
Supermarine Spitfire Mk V !!!!!!!!!!!
:aok
-Paul
Because it's easy to kill unless you run into the hacked one Leviathn flies.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Seagoon
With ENY restrictions my vote goes to... the IL2
Ok, I know you think I'm quite mad, but this plane literally chews up GVs with Guns alone and spits 'em out in a way no other plane can. It shrugs off .50 cal fire like no other single engined AC in the game, and can tear apart any other plane in the Head On (I've even surprised 110 G-2s in this respect as the 23mm is a balistic dream compared to the flaming grapefruit thrower). Add to that the fact that it outturns most of the fighters.
- SEAGOON
Yep IL2....
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This IS yucca :) , although i prefer my jug, the bonus of 50 mph in the pony sure makes it alot easier to pick the fight :)
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I've been having alot of fun in the Dora (when i dont have rubber bullits)
the Chog still kicks tail ,the Tempy is great ,and I still suk in a p-38
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F4U-1D
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P-47 D25 or D40... the D11 is nice, but gotto have the bubble canopy. Best Jabo load of the game, 8-50 Cal machine guns.. over 3000 rounds of ammo, awesome range, dives like a pony, and you can drop flaps well over 200 mph. Its pretty big, but you learn how to fly it and it is tough to beat. With ENYs of 35 and 30... very underrated.
Also been flying the 38... those nose mounted guns are the cat's meow.
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P-51D or P-51B. It's one plane you really gotta know what you are doing to get some kills and survive.
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Originally posted by Mak333
P-51D or P-51B. It's one plane you really gotta know what you are doing to get some kills and survive.
lmao!! Good one!! hehe
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because it's easy to kill unless you run into the hacked one Leviathn flies.
38's are just as easy to kill ;)
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the more i think about the intent of thsi thread (the whole ENY thing)....
the C.205
almost never gets denied, fast as heck in a diving chase, turns great, climbs like a homesick angel, good cannons, all around great plane
anything you are slower than you can out turn and still climb with.
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What's the best fighter these days?
Someone who will actively engaged without needing a 5K alt advantage and 100+mph speed advantage and 3 wingmen ... doesn't matter what plane he is in.
OH !!! ... SORRY !!! You want to know what kind of plane, not what kind of pilot ? ... nevermind ... silly me.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lmao!! Good one!! hehe
:rolleyes:
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Best fighter?
Yak-9U, same as it ever was :)
-Sik
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the P-47D-40 is by far the best.
goods
1. fast as p51.
2. 8 .50s "airial chainsaws".
3. great zoom climb.
4. bubble canopy.
5. with 6 guns option it climbs like 109.
6. great range 3 DTs.
7. lots of ord 2-1000lb 1-500lb 10-rockets.
8. turns very well with flaps
9. high alt performance is match only by the 152.
10. It looks cool.
bads
1. takes lots of practice to learn.
2. climbs like b-17 when heavy.
3. lose your E, say your prayers.
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mitchk - 51 still beats the 47 =) Only thing the 51 doesnt have is the 8 50 cals. Why would ya need 8 anyway? Learn how to aim and it shouldnt be a problem. But yes, the 47 is a nice plane.
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P38 is the best fighter in the MA.
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P38 is still the best fighter in the MA.
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P38 is still still the best fighter in the MA.
That about covers it.
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I agree Pellik, P-38 is still the best target in the MA. For me, I get around the ENY with the good ole C.205
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Bah! You are all wrong! It's a tie:
109F4 (great turner, great turner, great climb rate)
190A5 (good speed, great turner, great guns)
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F4U...It's all you need..Don't leave home without it.
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Pshhh :rolleyes: :lol
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Originally posted by SlapShot
What's the best fighter these days?
Someone who will actively engaged without needing a 5K alt advantage and 100+mph speed advantage and 3 wingmen ... doesn't matter what plane he is in.
this is true. the best is the one, that know what to do with what he (or she) has. thus the saying "it is not the plane, it is the pilot"
fly it, push it to its limits, learn it.
like Clint Eastwood said in a movie "a man has to know his limitations"
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109F4.
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b-26.. Im serious. I pwn with it in dog fights.
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Gotta be the Dora. Has good firepower, good speed, good acceleration, killer roll rate.
Tho as has been said any plane can be best if you use its strengths and get others to give up theirs....
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1st. LA7
2nd. LA7
3. LA7
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100. La7
<----LA7 DWEEB,:rofl
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Best fighter is the one you feel most comfortable in.
Spit V fits that profile for me these days.
Dan/Slack
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That plane with the auto aiming! turns on a dime, and faster then a f16, you know the one..
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OK, let me qualify this choice - 6-50 caliber option, 50% fuel, drop tanks for range, bubble canopy for visibilty...yes I'm talking about the mighty P-47D-40!
Surprising turn rate
large ammo load (even with 6 50s)
DURABILITY
speed enough to out run the G-for brains crowd
Speed enough to force a few runners to fight
Excellent scissors fighter
surprising climb rate (without drop tanks)
and if your into ordinance, well, it's one of the best
You can pancake and still survive...very tough plane
Extremely stable aircraft with no bad habits
If you do stall it, it recovers easily
Always available - ENY limiter be damned
And if your into perks, you can build them quickly