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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K0N on October 20, 2004, 11:57:49 AM
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Cause Teresa says
"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up"
We dont need Swift boat vets we have Teresa winning the election for the reps...
Simply amazing!
IKON
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Kinda Skerry isn't it....
Thorns
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Originally posted by Thorns
Kinda Skerry isn't it....
Thorns
Kinda?
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This is what you get when you run on the anything but bush platform.
Whats sad is that somehow, Kerry is the best the Democrats could put up? If I were a democrat I would be damn emberased.
If they had put up even a half decent guy, this would not be a close race.
Bush would lose.
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So you are bagging on her for not knowing? or what?
Laura was a librarian wasn't she?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
This is what you get when you run on the anything but bush platform.
Whats sad is that somehow, Kerry is the best the Democrats could put up? If I were a democrat I would be damn emberased.
If they had put up even a half decent guy, this would not be a close race.
Bush would lose.
yeah, for the most part, the foreigner liberals are embarrassed.
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Originally posted by 1K0N
Cause Teresa says
"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up"
We dont need Swift boat vets we have Teresa winning the election for the reps...
Simply amazing!
IKON
Im just curious as to what kind of "real job"
Teresa has had...ever
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vort... as you should be if you are an ameristalker...
lazs
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Q: You'd be different from Laura Bush?
A: Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things. And I'm older, and my validation of what I do and what I believe and my experience is a little bit bigger — because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about.
You guys need to pick on somebody you can whup. TerAza would clean your clocks.
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Originally posted by lazs2
vort... as you should be if you are an ameristalker...
lazs
i prefer bushstalker.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You guys need to pick on somebody you can whup. TerAza would clean your clocks.
I dont know. Judging from the qote you put up it looks more like she let Dr Timothy Leary get a little too close to her Ketchup bottle
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vort
Stalking Bush aint going to get you any!
Try flowers.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
vort
Stalking Bush aint going to get you any!
Try flowers.
you mean ive been doing it all wrong, all this time. WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME :( :( :(
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So you are bagging on her for not knowing? or what?
Laura was a librarian wasn't she?
she's an idiot MT when will you admit it?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You guys need to pick on somebody you can whup. TerAza would clean your clocks.
That silver spoon raised skank couldnt clean my shorts.And Im not even talking about the ones with skidmarks all the way to the waistband.:lol
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
This is what you get when you run on the anything but bush platform.
Whats sad is that somehow, Kerry is the best the Democrats could put up? If I were a democrat I would be damn emberased.
If they had put up even a half decent guy, this would not be a close race.
Bush would lose.
Joe Liberman LANDSLIDE if they had the B's to vote for him in primary.
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Lets refresh on THK.
B.A. in, get this, "Romance Literature” now that’s some though studying. :rolleyes:
Married wealthy Senator of Heinz money, Senator dies, she inherits money, and Her
O-pinion is suppose to mean something,
WHY?
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Originally posted by JBA
she's an idiot MT when will you admit it?
Nah. I think Laura is much smarter than her husband.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nah. I think Laura is much smarter than her husband.
You may be right. But THK is still and idiot.
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Originally posted by JBA
You may be right. But THK is still and idiot.
nuff said.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You guys need to pick on somebody you can whup. TerAza would clean your clocks.
You get that from this???
Q: You'd be different from Laura Bush?
A: Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job — I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things. And I'm older, and my validation of what I do and what I believe and my experience is a little bit bigger — because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about.
What have her experiences been? Marrying a rich republican businessman and raising his kids???? Thren inhariting his money after he dies in a helicopter crash...
But look even beyond that the quote shows that she is an arrogant person, maybe she should make that a key part of her stump speeches in the last two weeks.
"Hello teachers unions, my husband wants your vote this November second, but after you vote get a real job! Like being a rich trust fund widow!! OK? And if you dont, then you must be an idiot!!"
:rofl
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Originally posted by JBA
Lets refresh on THK.
B.A. in, get this, "Romance Literature” now that’s some though studying. :rolleyes:
Married wealthy Senator of Heinz money, Senator dies, she inherits money, and Her
O-pinion is suppose to mean something,
WHY?
Laura:
college degree in library science
Marries drunk who reforms and is rich
Pot kettle. Next I suppose you will be saying she murdered someone...................... ...
:)
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Wow Silat.....
All due respect Bud...that was a bit low there.
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Originally posted by Silat
Laura:
college degree in library science
Marries drunk who reforms and is rich
Pot kettle. Next I suppose you will be saying she murdered someone...................... ...
:)
Hardly
bit of a difference here.
LB at least did something a bit more noble in her life then just marry into money.
She was at least a teacher and a librarian which is still light years ahead of anything
TK has done
But yanno. Im starting to think Kerry as pres might not be so bad. just because of TK alone
From what I've seen of this ticking time bomb so far it should provide a great deal of entertainment if nothing else.
And ya just KNOW its only a matter of time before she goes off completely.
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Originally posted by Silat
Laura:
Next I suppose you will be saying she murdered someone...................... ...
:)
Now that ya mention it.
Doesnt she kinda remind you of one of the Manson girls?
Oh what is her name again?
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:rofl I was sitting here listening to the radio...and this was brought up. Seems she has apologised all be it not sincerely....ANYWAY....
I'll bet that if Kerry loses the election she will have some combinations of cuss words that have yet to be heard by the Cussingest of sailors. One of which I used to be. She will go off like a bomb I'll bet. It would be very interesting to be a fly on the wall after all the votes are counted , and her and John (Herman) Munster are alone in thier room. SHe may pull out some whips and chains and stuff and BEAT KERRY helplessly. Would be something to see him begging her to stop and her saying something like......
"Stop? ...You must be kidding you IDIOT. SHOVE IT..I'll do what I want with you til I am tired. Just think you poor no load...We could have been doing this in the Whitehouse...But NOOOOOO...you had to pop off about that Lesbo Cheney. You had to pick that Pony Boy Edwards huh. Beatinig? I AM JUST STARTING!!!!"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So you are bagging on her for not knowing? or what?
Laura was a librarian wasn't she?
Laura Bush was a school teacher for ten years.
I don't expect the Ketchup Nazi to know much more than the recipe for yellow mustard.....
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Laura Bush was a school teacher for ten years.
I don't expect the Ketchup Nazi to know much more than the recipe for yellow mustard.....
My regards,
Widewing
How shallow of you. THK actually has a bachelors degree and did graduate study at the University of Geneva. She speaks 5 languages and worked for the UN before marrying Senator Heinz.
Regards
MT
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Originally posted by midnight Target
How shallow of you. THK actually has a bachelors degree and did graduate study at the University of Geneva. She speaks 5 languages and worked for the UN before marrying Senator Heinz.
Regards
MT
How shallow of him?
This is your staement of defense for teresas idiotic and smug remarks?
For example iirc Laura Bush has a masters degree....
Was it shallow of tersea to make an even worse comment about Laura?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
How shallow of you. THK actually has a bachelors degree and did graduate study at the University of Geneva. She speaks 5 languages and worked for the UN before marrying Senator Heinz.
Regards
MT
Yup, I hear she spent alot of that UN time saying the same thing in all 5 languages.
"Me so hoony, Me love you longtime"
:D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How shallow of him?
This is your staement of defense for teresas idiotic and smug remarks?
For example iirc Laura Bush has a masters degree....
Was it shallow of tersea to make an even worse comment about Laura?
Sorry grun, but it is my statement proving WW's shallowness... a narrow distinction I admit but still there it is.
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OK.
Do you think Teresa was shallow in her remarks about Laura Bush?
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A man's choice of woman can be embarrasingly revealing of the man.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
OK.
Do you think Teresa was shallow in her remarks about Laura Bush?
I think it is typical or at least not unusual for a 66 year old to think of a 30 yr. old as 'not grown up'. THK likes to speak her mind and makes mistakes. Not unlike someone else I know of in public service right now. I guess it is all about spinning your own private truth.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Wow Silat.....
All due respect Bud...that was a bit low there.
Maybe, but he's closer than he knows--LB *did* kill someone. Ran a stop sign, horrible accident, etc. etc., won't talk about it, was young, etc. but there it is. It came out during the original Bush/Gore election.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Maybe, but he's closer than he knows--LB *did* kill someone. Ran a stop sign, horrible accident, etc. etc., won't talk about it, was young, etc. but there it is. It came out during the original Bush/Gore election.
h
Hey, at least she wasn't drunk, and now a senator....(Waves to Ted, who we now consider "the conservative Senator" from Mass. when compared to Kerry)
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Originally posted by Horn
Maybe, but he's closer than he knows--LB *did* kill someone. Ran a stop sign, horrible accident, etc. etc., won't talk about it, was young, etc. but there it is. It came out during the original Bush/Gore election.
h
Rip beat me to it but I gotta add, she was only 17, didn't run away from the accident to concoct a lie while letting the other die, and has probably felt remorse all of her life.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Rip beat me to it but I gotta add, she was only 17, didn't run away from the accident to concoct a lie while letting the other die, and has probably felt remorse all of her life.
Yeah things that happened 30+ years ago when one was was young shouldn't matter much should they?
Are you and rip saying that Theresa Kerry ran from an accident and was drunk letting another die? Or are you talking about someone having nothing to do with the subject?
I'm guessing the latter. As usual.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Yeah things that happened 30+ years ago when one was was young shouldn't matter much should they?
Are you and rip saying that Theresa Kerry ran from an accident and was drunk letting another die? Or are you talking about someone having nothing to do with the subject?
I'm guessing the latter. As usual.
h
Right over your head Horn...as usual.
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I think something that happened 30 years ago can matter very much when it reveals the content of a person's character. Ted Kennedy was found sorely lacking in that regard.
Besides Horn, you're the one that brought up the 30+ year old accident.
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30+ years ago?
*Thread soon to be hijacked to SKerry's Hero days of Nam*
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Right over your head Horn...as usual.
I don't think so, Einstein.
Trying to deflect something that happened to the woman in question onto another uninvolved, unrelated person is rather lame. Like saying Bush's cocaine habits and DUI's were the fault of someone else. To be expected of you-- of course-- but lame nevertheless.
And yeah, Iron, I would expect something like that to help form the future character of someone. However, this thread was not about Kennedy until you and Rip used him as a "defense." It was about LB. Very lame.
I made only a passing note of the incident without comment, you both, on the other hand, immediately jumped up foaming at the mouth screaming "but what about Kennedy!!"--as if that had anything at all to do with the subject at hand. Lame.
h
(did I mention lame?)
(nice catch Mac--wasn't going there though)
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Originally posted by Horn
Maybe, but he's closer than he knows--LB *did* kill someone. Ran a stop sign, horrible accident, etc. etc., won't talk about it, was young, etc. but there it is. It came out during the original Bush/Gore election.
h
Silat is well informed, the jest he made was exactly that.
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Originally posted by Torque
Silat is well informed, the jest he made was exactly that.
I thought about that at first but then I figured he didn't know --I doubted he'd use the word "murder" if he knew about it-- manslaughter maybe but murder?
h
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Originally posted by Horn
I don't think so, Einstein.
Trying to deflect something that happened to the woman in question onto another uninvolved, unrelated person is rather lame. Like saying Bush's cocaine habits and DUI's were the fault of someone else. To be expected of you-- of course-- but lame nevertheless.
And yeah, Iron, I would expect something like that to help form the future character of someone. However, this thread was not about Kennedy until you and Rip used him as a "defense." It was about LB. Very lame.
I made only a passing note of the incident without comment, you both, on the other hand, immediately jumped up foaming at the mouth screaming "but what about Kennedy!!"--as if that had anything at all to do with the subject at hand. Lame.
h
(did I mention lame?)
(nice catch Mac--wasn't going there though)
Nice damage control Horn. You should be a Democratic Senator :rofl
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Originally posted by Widewing
Laura Bush was a school teacher for ten years.
I don't expect the Ketchup Nazi to know much more than the recipe for yellow mustard.....
My regards,
Widewing
:rofl :rofl :rofl
What he said.
Glove
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Foaming at the mouth? Are you foaming at the mouth Rip? Sorry Horn, the only time I foam at the mouth is once a week when I brush my teeth. Very picturesque of you though.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nice damage control Horn. You should be a Democratic Senator :rofl
Nice avoidance of the thread subject Iron.
There was no damage, only the pathetic deflection from the topic by you and rip jumping up and down screaming, "But, but, but, KENNEDY was in a car wreck TOO! He was! He Was! Take that!"
When neocon right wing nutjobs can't reply intelligently they attack. Something I expect from Rip but not you. I was wrong, I suppose.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
When neocon right wing nutjobs can't reply intelligently they attack.
Interesting way to complain about attacking rather than staying on topic......pot....kettle.
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You did bring up the unrelated thread subject of Laura Bush's accident Horn. It was much less of a leap to mention Ted Kennedy's around the same period and contrast them. Here's my take just in case you missed it:
Laura Bush - Current mate to the President
17 years old, ran a stop sign, caused an accident resulting in the death of a schoolmate. No attempt to run away or shirk responsibility.
Ted Kennedy - Current senatorial mate to Presidential cadidate
26 years years old, drinking, runs off a bridge and runs away leaving his passenger to drown, Owns up to responsibility? Not in a million years.
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Originally posted by AKIron
You did bring up the unrelated thread subject of Laura Bush's accident Horn. It was much less of a leap to mention Ted Kennedy's around the same period and contrast them. Here's my take just in case you missed it:
Laura Bush - Current mate to the President
17 years old, ran a stop sign, caused an accident resulting in the death of a schoolmate. No attempt to run away or shirk responsibility.
Ted Kennedy - Current senatorial mate to Presidential cadidate
26 years years old, drinking, runs off a bridge and runs away leaving his passenger to drown, Owns up to responsibility? Not in a million years.
I see. And all along I thought this was a thread about the traits of Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Kerry. So Laura Bush's accident would be unrelated? Oh, pardon me, I had no idea Kennedy and what he did or din't do was pertinent. :rolleyes:
Please continue.
h
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Originally posted by sling322
Interesting way to complain about attacking rather than staying on topic......pot....kettle.
Oh, sorry--No insult meant, I thought that's what they called themselves. I was merely comparing Rip and Iron--one, a right wing nutjob, the other, not.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Oh, sorry--No insult meant, I thought that's what they called themselves. I was merely comparing Rip and Iron--one, a right wing nutjob, the other, not.
h
Its meant as an insult Pot, but no worries. Your definition is so far from the truth, it truly shows how well you judge character. But please continue to rant, its good entertainment.:aok
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Horn... shack!
I like to call it the 'yabut' defense. My kids used to do it all the time before they matured too.
For example -
You need to clean your room!
Yabut mary's room is dirty too!
or
You need to get better grades!
Yabut Joe's grades suck!
or
You used to be a drunk!
Yabut so did Teddy Kennedy!
:aok
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Well, lemme see if I got this right, Taraza claims Laura never had a real job but never even bothered to look it up or ask anyone and that's somehow related to an accident Laura had as a teenager?
Shack? He crashed and burned on the way to the bombing range.
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""Yabut so did Teddy Kennedy!""
You mean IS a drunk.:rofl
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well, lemme see if I got this right, Taraza claims Laura never had a real job but never even bothered to look it up or ask anyone and that's somehow related to an accident Laura had as a teenager?
Shack? He crashed and burned on the way to the bombing range.
If you were to take the time to go back and read it wasn't Horn who brought up the accident exactly. He just clarified the statement of another poster. So the shack was in reference to his response to your response to his clarification... got it?
This has been a public service announcement.
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Originally posted by Horn
Maybe, but he's closer than he knows--LB *did* kill someone. Ran a stop sign, horrible accident, etc. etc., won't talk about it, was young, etc. but there it is. It came out during the original Bush/Gore election.
h
Sorry MT, he did bring it up, "exactly", by twisting this into that.
Originally posted by Silat
Laura:
college degree in library science
Marries drunk who reforms and is rich
Pot kettle. Next I suppose you will be saying she murdered someone...................... ...
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Back to topic, I hear Taraza married a war criminal. ;)
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yabut!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
yabut!
Yeahbut we've already established that Taraza is a loon, can't we have a few tangents here? (grumbles) damn topic police ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Back to topic, I hear Taraza married a war criminal. ;)
john heinz-kerry was a war criminal before he was a war hero before he was a war protester.
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Originally posted by Horn
I thought about that at first but then I figured he didn't know --I doubted he'd use the word "murder" if he knew about it-- manslaughter maybe but murder?
h
Playing "kick the can" with the narcistic perhaps.
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I can't believe you guys care so much about the candidates wives.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I can't believe you guys care so much about the candidates wives.
Might want to consult Mr.Clinton about that non-belief ;):rofl
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Ya know what John Kerry really needs to do is get Teddy to give his wife a ride. Near water. With a bridge.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
How shallow of you. THK actually has a bachelors degree and did graduate study at the University of Geneva. She speaks 5 languages and worked for the UN before marrying Senator Heinz.
Regards
MT
On the contrary, my distaste for the Heinz-Kerry is rather deep.
Her education isn't much to brag about...
Maria Teresa Thierstein Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry (AKA Ketchup Nazi): Bachelor of Arts degree in romance languages and literature at the University of Witwatersrand, South Africa, 1960; Interpreters School of the University of Geneva, 1963.
Apparently, they didn't offer any courses on how to recognize when it's time to keep one's mouth shut.....
My regards,
Widewing
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yep shallow
the Heinz Endowments, of which Teresa Heinz Kerry is the chairman, has granted upwards of $8 million through the Tides Center and Tides Foundation since 1994 to fund high school career programs, environmental protection projects and the like in Pennsylvania (see complete list of grants)
what a witch!
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Originally posted by RedTop
Wow Silat.....
All due respect Bud...that was a bit low there.
Red it was sarcasm at the attacks on the wives of the candidates. It reached a crescendo with Hillary C. The righties, some of them in here, accused her of murdering V Foster. I just dont understand the attacking of the wives.
Horny I did know about the tragic accident in LB's past.
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Originally posted by Silat
Red it was sarcasm at the attacks on the wives of the candidates. It reached a crescendo with Hillary C. The righties, some of them in here, accused her of murdering V Foster.
Ahhh...my bad bud:)
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If Ted Bundy gave 8 Mil twords an endowment for the arts,would he be forgiven?
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Im Inclined to vote Kerry just for the chance to have 4 years of teresa's beautiful Wit in the white house! 4 years that may very well end any hopes of the Dem party recovering for at least 12 years..Everyone will be so shell shocked that Hillary will have no chance of getting elected!
IKON
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Originally posted by DrDea
If Ted Bundy gave 8 Mil twords an endowment for the arts,would he be forgiven?
Wow! great argument! I guess I never considered it from that point of view! If only you had come along sooner! You are a certified genius! Tereza is just like Ted Bundy! Who would have thought. Thank you thank you thank you.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So you are bagging on her for not knowing? or what?
Laura was a librarian wasn't she?
My wife has never had a job since we married....oh yeah....there is that mother of my children thing and let's not forget the management of our home, which is like running a small business in my house.
Cmon MT....forget the politics....her statement was born out of ignorance of real life....it doesn't matter that she was factually wrong, it's her attitude that causes me to shake my head in wonder.
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And she apologized for it.
I've seen and heard Laura Bush speak. Very nice lady, good head on her shoulders, probably a good mother and wife.
I've seen Teresa Kerry in informal interviews too. She struck me as a caring and involved mother, wife, and an intelligent woman. Now you can take a sentence she said and run to the endzone with it or we could all just try to see things through real world glasses instead of the ones the media provides.
She is 66 years old. She is used to speaking her mind. I wonder why no one picked out this part of the same paragraph to quote:
I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good.
or this part:
And I'm older, and my validation of what I do and what I believe and my experience is a little bit bigger — because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about.
Or has anyone even looked at this?
"I had forgotten that Mrs. Bush had worked as a school teacher and librarian, and there couldn't be a more important job than teaching our children. As someone who has been both a full-time mom and full-time in work force, I know we all have valuable experiences that shape who we are. I appreciate and honor Mrs. Bush's service to the country as first lady and am sincerely sorry I had not remembered her important work in the past."
Heck no... much easier to bag than to try and understand or even keep an open mind. Sad really.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
And she apologized for it.
Because she was told to?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
the Heinz Endowments, of which Teresa Heinz Kerry is the chairman, has granted upwards of $8 million through the Tides Center and Tides Foundation since 1994 to fund high school career programs, environmental protection projects and the like in Pennsylvania (see complete list of grants)
Too bad that it's not HER money she gives away but that of an endowment trust set up by the Heinz family many, many years ago.
How about this from pittsburghlive.com? It predates Kerry as the Democratic nominee by a considerable margin. So, it's not October pre-election slamming.
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The Heinz Endowments have teamed up with a secretive left-wing group
By Tom Randall
Sunday, December 14, 2003
CHICAGO - Pittsburgh is home to a new liberal funding organization that lists its priorities as the local environment, land use and "sustainability." However, its affiliations raise questions about its real purpose.
Known as the Tides Center for Pennsylvania, formerly the Tides Center for Western Pennsylvania, it is a creation of the Tides Foundation and Center, headquartered in San Francisco, and two Pennsylvania-based foundations -- the Vira Heinz Endowment and the Howard Heinz Endowment-- chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry, heir to the Heinz food company fortune and wife of Democrat presidential contender Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.
What makes the pairing with Tides troubling is that organization's secretive funneling of cash from private foundations -- such as Heinz, the Pew Charitable Trusts and many others -- to extreme left-wing activist groups whose interests include exclusion of humans from both public and private lands, anti-war protests, opposition to free trade, banning of firearms, abolition of the death penalty, unlimited abortion rights, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender advocacy, as well as and environmental extremism.
How it's done:
Tides works like this: When a high-profile donor wants to give money to a group with an extreme agenda but doesn't want its fingerprints on the donation, it simply gives the money to The Tides Foundation in the form of a "donor- advised donation." Tides then passes that money on to the desired recipient, masking the real source of the cash. As anti-war activist Drummond Pike (who set up the Tides Foundation in 1976 for the express purpose of keeping donors' identities unknown) told the Chronicle of Philanthropy, a publication for the nonprofit world, "Anonymity is very important to most of the people we work with."
And, the amount of "hidden money" handled by the Tides Foundation is considerable. Since its founding, the relatively little-known foundation has made over $300 million in grants. In 2002 it amassed assets of $139 million and had an income of $59.3 million. Between 1995 and 2001, $4.3 million of that money came from the Howard Heinz Endowment. In 2002, it and the Vira Heinz Endowment blessed The Tides Center, a San Francisco spin-off of the Tides Foundation, with another $190,000 while the two endowments gave $1.6 million to the new Tides Center for Western Pennsylvania.
If all this movement of money between the Tides Foundation, Tides Center, two Heinz Endowments and Pittsburgh's new Tides Center for Western Pennsylvania has you shaking your head, let's talk about your money. You, the taxpayer.
Public underwriting:
Nearly $8 million in taxpayer money flowed into the Tides Center in the form of federal grants made by eight different agencies between 1997 and 2001. They include the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Energy. Does this mean your tax dollars also are going to fund the Tides Center for Western Pennsylvania, a creation of the Howard Heinz Endowment, which in 2001 was worth a breathtaking $788.6 million in 2001? With the Tides Center for a partner, we will likely never know.
What we do know is that, with Tides as a partner, the Heinz Endowments now keep interesting company.
Friends of Heinz:
The Tides Center also manages the Youth Gender Project whose goal is to "empower and support transgender, gender-variant, intersexed and gender-questioning youth and young adults." I freely admit, not all of these terms are in my spell-checker.
Grant recipients also include the Iraq Peace Fund that has so far granted $489,000 to 27 groups to promote anti-war marches and their coverage by the news media, as well as the mission of one of those groups, MoveOn.org, whose purpose is to defeat George W. Bush.
While groups such as these and dozens of others organized and/or financed by the Tides Foundation and Center are relatively recent in their origin and transient in their nature, many are more established and pervasive in their influence.
The Ruckus Society, which received over $200,000 in Tides money between 1999 and 2002, was begun in 1995 to train activists in violent protest against biotechnology, globalization and the World Bank. It incited property destruction in the Seattle riots of 1999 and Washington, D.C., the following year. However, Ruckus director John Sellers didn't see the wanton destruction of property as being violent at all. He told Mother Jones magazine, " I make a distinction between violence and destruction of property. Violence to me is against living things. But inanimate objects? I think you can be destructive, you can use vandalism strategically. It may be violence under the law but I just don't think it's violence."
The Natural Resources Defense Council, another Tides project, destroyed many apple farmers in Washington state with its phony Alar pesticide scare. It "leaked" a false report that Alar, used by the state's apple growers there, caused cancer, particularly in children. Even movie stars signed onto the hoax, testifying before Congress about Alar's dangers. Sales of apples plummeted before the hoax could be debunked.
Finally, the American Medical Association concluded, "The Alar scare of three years ago shows what can happen when science is taken out of context or the risks of a product are blown out of proportion." Unfortunately, that conclusion came too late to save the livelihoods of many growers.
Unfortunately, too, it came too late to prevent NRDC from cashing in to the tune of $700,000 from a book on the bogus scare.
But that seems to be what Tides and its dozens of its related organizations are about: money, a flagrant disregard for the truth, and even disdain for the law.
Those capitalistic old American entrepreneurs Howard and Vira must be spinning in their graves.
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Let's not assign the Ketchup Nazi too much credit for being generous. And apologies written by campaign lackies don't ring of sincerity... Too little too late. Her foot will have teeth marks for a while....
My regards,
Widewing
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I guess the thing is.... with all the squeaky clean environmental and social charities out there....
why does heinz-kerrie give money to such a shady group? Why them and not more tried and true charities and funds?
lazs
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Originally posted by Widewing
Too bad that it's not HER money she gives away but that of an endowment trust set up by the Heinz family many, many years ago.
How about this from pittsburghlive.com? It predates Kerry as the Democratic nominee by a considerable margin. So, it's not October pre-election slamming.
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The Heinz Endowments have teamed up with a secretive left-wing group
By Tom Randall
Sunday, December 14, 2003
CHICAGO - Pittsburgh is home to a new liberal funding organization that lists its priorities as the local environment, land use and "sustainability." However, its affiliations raise questions about its real purpose.
Known as the Tides Center for Pennsylvania, formerly the Tides Center for Western Pennsylvania, it is a creation of the Tides Foundation and Center, headquartered in San Francisco, and two Pennsylvania-based foundations -- the Vira Heinz Endowment and the Howard Heinz Endowment-- chaired by Teresa Heinz Kerry, heir to the Heinz food company fortune and wife of Democrat presidential contender Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.
What makes the pairing with Tides troubling is that organization's secretive funneling of cash from private foundations -- such as Heinz, the Pew Charitable Trusts and many others -- to extreme left-wing activist groups whose interests include exclusion of humans from both public and private lands, anti-war protests, opposition to free trade, banning of firearms, abolition of the death penalty, unlimited abortion rights, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender advocacy, as well as and environmental extremism.
My regards,
Widewing
You stepped in it again Wide Wing... maybe you should quit playing?
According to Heinz Endowments President Maxwell King:
In recent weeks, The Heinz Endowments has been accused of using its funding of the Tides Center of Western Pennsylvania to advance a laundry list of partisan causes and fringe political groups. This accusation is simply wrong.
It originated in an opinion column written by a researcher for the conservative, Washington, D.C.-based Capital Research Center. The crux of CRC’s argument is that money directed by the Endowments to Tides is "fungible." By supporting projects through Tides, CRC alleged that Heinz has secretly funneled money to every other organization that has ever received funding through Tides Center and the separate Tides Foundation.
Since first being published in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, CRC’s accusation has been picked up and expanded in opinion pieces in a number of newspapers, including the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and the Washington Times. But not even these publications have leveled this allegation in actual news stories.
The reason why is obvious: The charge does not stand up to objective scrutiny. Four facts undercut it completely. First, by legally binding contract, every penny of Heinz’s support to Tides has been explicitly directed to specific projects in Pennsylvania. It cannot legally be redirected and is the exact opposite of fungible.
Second, the Tides Center is a provider of management and administrative services, and we have used it only for those services, not to advance Tides’ grantmaking agenda. Foundations from all across the country-many, like Heinz, with strong centrist agendas-use these services to incubate an array of nonprofit programs. So does the federal government. It is no more accurate to suggest that Heinz supports every one of these programs than it is to suggest that someone who contributes to a specific group through the United Way supports the agenda of every other United Way beneficiary.
Third, the projects we have supported through Tides speak for themselves. They include programs to test the career readiness of area high school students, protect Pittsburgh’s environment and retain young people in our region-hardly an extremist agenda.
Fourth and finally, information about every one of our Tides-related grants is and always has been readily available in our public filings, annual reports and here on our web site. Far from being secretive, we have been consistently open in detailing the nature of our grants to Tides and every other organization we fund.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp
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The real insult in Teresa's comment is to imply that women homemakers don't have real jobs. If you think women won't notice that or be offended by it you don't know women. I think she cost Kerry a lot of votes with that thoughtless comment.
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So,
Teresa gives millions to charity....bad.
Laura murders her friends....good.
I'm so confused!
;)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
So,
Teresa gives millions to charity....bad.
Laura murders her friends....good.
I'm so confused!
;)
let me help you.
"Teresa gives millions to charity....bad"
translation:: Teresa gives millions to left wing anti-american groups.
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"Laura murders her friends....good."
translation::Laura was involved in a car wreck when she was young.
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i know your still confused , but i wanted to try and help.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You stepped in it again Wide Wing... maybe you should quit playing?
According to Heinz Endowments President Maxwell King:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp
LOLOLOL Urban legends website as the source. Cripes, you could have at least gone to heinz.org and read their entire effort at denial. And, what did you expect them to do? LOLOLOL
So, if I'm playing, this must be the Little League......
Don't worry tho, after the election it will all be investigated. At least a dozen members of Congress have promised it (on C-SPAN, during Special Orders).
In the meantime, I'll continue to check the Foundation Watch newsletters for more information.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Thrawn
So,
Teresa gives millions to charity....bad.
Laura murders her friends....good.
I'm so confused!
;)
:mad: WHy does it not suprise me on this board to read such things as this.
This is so over the top it's not even worth debating:mad: