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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mipoikel on October 21, 2004, 12:45:06 AM
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I like ameerika so much I had to buy this.:aok
(http://www.chrysler.com/sebring_sedan/features/exterior_photos/img/enlarge_3.jpg)
Whatkind is Chryslers reputation there in USA??
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Well do a search of your car's make and the word "transmission" That may help you out! ;)
Can't speak for newer cars but I technically own a chrysler....it's a jeep and the transmission sucks!
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Eh - they get you from point A to point B but the engine and the drive wheels are on the wrong end of the car.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Eh - they get you from point A to point B but the engine and the drive wheels are on the wrong end of the car.
just like your face. :cool:
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WTG Mipo! A friend of mine who's a Chrysler mech says that they are pretty good these days.
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Congrats on the new ride. They handle great and have plenty of power.
Get rid of it before about 60k miles.
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Pimpin'!!!
Chrysler is doing a lot better since they added Daimler to the name. :)
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The turnaround all started with the Cordoba's rich, "Corinthian" leather :D
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Those Cab-Forward Chysler vehicles have a reputation as being a "jack of all trades" sort of car. They aren't really outstanding at any one thing, but they do eveything decently without any major drawbacks. The convertible version of that car is the one I see most often here in Ohio. The Sedan seems like it's mainly bought by people who need the practicality of something like a Camry or Accord, but want to be a little more distinctive.
Do they still call it a Chrysler Sebring in Europe, or does it have a different name? How numerous are such American cars in Finland?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by NUKE
The turnaround all started with the Cordoba's rich, "Corinthian" leather :D
LOL My father got one of those when he was going through his midlife Crisis (Was a sports car man before that Porche BMW etc) Only got to ride in it a few times before he did that other mid life thing and traded my mother and us in on a newer model with no kids.
Was a nice car from what I remember though
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Chryslers are pretty good these days. You will love the car.
Congrats
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Do they still call it a Chrysler Sebring in Europe, or does it have a different name? How numerous are such American cars in Finland?
J_A_B
Yes, it is Chrysler Sebring.
In statistics, chrysler is number 20 in most sold cars-list in finland. (from January to september 2004) But it is less than 3 % from all cars.
After 6 hours, I still like it. :D Very very nice car...
:aok
30 most sold cars 09/2004:
1. Toyota
2. Volkswagen
3. Ford
4. Nissan
5. Peugeot
6. Volvo
7. Renault
8. Citroën
9. Opel
10. Fiat
11. Mazda
12. Honda
13. Audi
14. Mercedes-Benz
15. Skoda
16. BMW
17. Daewoo
18. Hyundai
19. Seat
20. Chrysler
21. Saab
22. Mitsubishi
23. Suzuki
24. Alfa Romeo
25. Subaru
26. Lada-Vaz
27. Jaguar
28. Land Rover
29. Fiat-Dethleffs
30. Mini
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Originally posted by NUKE
The turnaround all started with the Cordoba's rich, "Corinthian" leather :D
Wasn't that around the time President Carter bailed them out of bankruptcy?
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Guns
What kind of Jeep do you have?
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Chrysler is a great company, as well as Dodge.
My next slated automobile (graduation present (don't give me watermelon about this, its from college and having to pay for it myself, I think I deserve something considering my current ride is rusting to pieces) ) will probably be the SRT-4 Neon or Stratus R/T.
My family is nothing but Dodge/Chrysler (cept me, right now I have an S-10 hand-me-down from a cousin). My mom's caravan from 88 lasted 8 years. She got the new 96 Caravan and still has it now, with abour 130k miles and the only problem was the tranny and exhaust. My sister has had a plethora of cars (lucky baitch), Daytona, Neon, Durango, and now Stratus. The only problem she has had (aside from being HIT by other cars) was oil change. My brother, well, owned a TON. From a Colt, 74 Duster (now races it on drag strips, about 12-11 second car), a Warlock, Dakotas, Rams, Cuda, etc. Hes the mechanic of the fam.
The only ugly duck I heard was the Intrepid 6 cyclinder 3.8 motor going bad after 40k miles.
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...will probably be the SRT-4 Neon or Stratus R/T.
I had a 96 Neon Sport Coupe that was great. I got 170K mostly trouble-free miles out of it. I gave it away when I moved, but it was still going strong. Good handling, good mileage, good car.
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Yes, it is Chrysler Sebring.
30 most sold cars 09/2004:
1. Toyota
2. Volkswagen
3. Ford
4. Nissan
5. Peugeot
6. Volvo
7. Renault
8. Citroën
9. Opel
10. Fiat
11. Mazda
12. Honda
13. Audi
14. Mercedes-Benz
15. Skoda
16. BMW
17. Daewoo
18. Hyundai
19. Seat
20. Chrysler
21. Saab
22. Mitsubishi
23. Suzuki
24. Alfa Romeo
25. Subaru
26. Lada-Vaz
27. Jaguar
28. Land Rover
29. Fiat-Dethleffs
30. Mini
Interesting. Here are the cars that you can't find for sale from dealers in the US (I think):
5. Peugeot ??? They were available; are they still?
7. Renault ??? They were available; are they still?
8. Citroën
9. Opel ??? They were available;are they still?
10. Fiat ??? They were available; are they still?
15. Skoda
19. Seat
26. Lada-Vaz
29. Fiat-Dethleffs
I know almost nothing of these bottom four.
eskimo
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Opel = GM
I imagine you could get one if you really wanted one. The Cadillac Catera was heavily based on the Opel Omega. Many Opel cars are built on the same platform as their GM counterparts.
For example, the Opel Astra is built on the same platform as the Chevy Cobalt and Saturn ION.
J_A_B
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Opel = Vauxhall = GM
The Astra was a originally a Vauxhall product.
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Congrats, the Sebring is a very nice looking car.
dago
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only problem was the tranny
Geez, I didn't know owning a car with tranny problems was ok?
Looks like a good car. Is that a Sebring? (If so, it's a Mitibushi in drag). ;)
My Honda Civic went 7 years, and it cost me $25 in unexpected maintenance at over 120'000 miles. Rock got stuck in the rotor shield. :D
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Interesting. Here are the cars that you can't find for sale from dealers in the US (I think):
5. Peugeot ??? They were available; are they still?
7. Renault ??? They were available; are they still?
8. Citroën
9. Opel ??? They were available;are they still?
10. Fiat ??? They were available; are they still?
15. Skoda
19. Seat
26. Lada-Vaz
29. Fiat-Dethleffs
I know almost nothing of these bottom four.
eskimo
Bought a Peugeot 307 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/peugeot307.jpg) three years ago; can't say a bad word. Peugeot's new 407 (http://www.amsport.hu/foto/hirek/2004_0126/hir_peugeot_407.jpg) seems to be nice car (not the best pic).
Renault Megane and bit larger Laguna (http://www.automotriz.net/images/galeria/images/1024x768-Renault-Laguna-II-01.jpg) sells well too, Laguna is also very nice car to drive.
Citroën C5 (http://speedycars.chinacars.com/wallpaper2/citroen/Citroen%20C5%20-%2017.jpg) is about same size as Laguna and 407, biggest difference is its Hydro-Pneumatic suspension like in classics like Citroën ID (idée, idea) DS (déesse, Goddess) (http://www.lemiecitroends.it/home1E.htm), CX (Cx, air resistance unit) and few others (like Citroën SM with Maserati's engine). Suspension was/is so comfortable that even Roll's Royce used it before BMW bought it and new models were designed.
Opel... well some like them, I don't :)
Fiat... Not much to say. Cheap but I wouldn't buy.
Skoda & Seat: First was Czech manufacturer before VW bought it, glorious history as "Laurin & Klement" from the beginning of last century to the thirties.
Seat manufactured Fiats in Spain before building its own models but was bought by VW quite soon. Seat Ibiza with VW's 130hp turbo-Diesel is a real pocket-rocket... And Ibiza Cupra-R is even nastier.
Both manufacturers cars are sharing parts with VW and Audi and the quality is just as good. I've heard nice things about new Skoda Superb (http://www.outrefranc.com/pleinsphares/vwg/superb/superb.shtml). Only issue is with the name, "Skoda" still carries the burden of being a brand from eastern block even if the car is more or less VW/Audi.
Lada-Vaz... cheap. Russian. crap.
Fiat-Dethleffs... mobile-home built in Fiat light-truck/pickup/van's chassis.
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Originally posted by mipoikel
I like ameerika so much I had to buy this.:aok
Whatkind is Chryslers reputation there in USA??
Who cares? Benz owns them anyways.
BTW the seabring is a great car... just watch out for the auto transmission. Don't know what they are like post Daimler-Chrysler, but the old ones were real dogs.
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Congrats
I bought a 2004 Dodge Stratus 2 weeks ago. 2.7L V-6, goes great. Only real complaint I have with it is the location of the cup holders and a bit of a blind spot with the side mirrors.
First 4 door, enjoying it. If gas wasnt what it is, I would've dove on a truck...but i commute 25 miles to work and this is vastly better economy wise
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Originally posted by Scrap
... just watch out for the auto transmission. Don't know what they are like post Daimler-Chrysler, but the old ones were real dogs.
They go out at about 71k miles. Consistantly.
Good car other than that.
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I'm buying the Seat Ibiza FR PD 130 next month. It has that pumpe duse TDi engine - 230 lb/foot of torque from a smart little car.
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I wanna Turbo Diesel!! Farkin treehuggers. :mad:
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Why can't you get one? The VW Golf uses the same PD 130 and 150 engines that Seat and Skoda use (they are the same group and use a common platform strategy).
50-60 miles to the gallon when petrol is heading towards 90p a litre and nippy performance is what has pushed me in the TDi direction.
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Are you stuck with a hatchback Dowding or do they offer a saloon?
J_A_B
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This is the car I'm getting:
(http://www.seatcupra.net/images/ibizafr_launch_news/ibizaFR04.jpg)
(http://assets.in.gr/auto/news/images/big/SeatIbizaFR_01_7307.jpg)
Seat do bigger saloon cars, but I wanted a hatch. I don't need a boot. Skoda do the Octavia, which is a saloon. Perhaps based on the VW Passat?
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Flashy vehicle Dowding. It bears a passing resemblance to Jaguar in a way, with that narrow little grille in front.
Since we're posting pics, this is roughly what my vehicle looks like:
(http://images.automotive.com/reviews/images/roadcar.gif)
My wheels look a bit different but otherwise that one is identical. For a sense of scale, it's about 5 or 6 feet longer than the Seat Ibiza. It's longer and wider than a Bentley. Probably hopelessly huge for European roads....and even if it wasn't the 5.7 litre engine would probably bankrupt the owner at UK petrol prices. It'd bankrupt ME anyway.
J_A_B
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New TDI's are amazing; for example VW Golf's 2 liter TDI has 140hp and 320Nm torque @ 1750rpm, fuel consumption less than 5 liters/ 100km in highway.
For comparison VW Bora's 2 liter gasoline engine has 115hp with 172Nm @3200rpm and consumes 6 liters*100km in highway.
If you compare TDI to VW's 1,8 Turbo (about same price in here) TDI has 10hp less but still 50% more torque and in lower RPM's, what you usually use in everyday driving.
Personally I'm a bit amazed why US manufacturers haven't developed turbo-diesels; in heavier cars you could cut the fuel consumption to half.
For example BMW 530D's 3 liter TDI produces over 200hp and has 500Nm torque and car uses 9,5 liters at city and 6,9 liters average.
For comparison Chrysler's 2,7 liter V-6 has about as much power, half of the torque and consumes 14,7 liters per 100km in city and 10,7 liters average per 100km.
Americans of all people should know how nice it is to have plenty of torque in low RPMs.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Why can't you get one? The VW Golf uses the same PD 130 and 150 engines that Seat and Skoda use (they are the same group and use a common platform strategy).
50-60 miles to the gallon when petrol is heading towards 90p a litre and nippy performance is what has pushed me in the TDi direction.
The US is still in the Dark Ages as far as turbo diesels go, thanks to California emissions laws. US auto manufacturers won't develop diesels because they won't meet California's laws, and other states often adopt California emissions standards over time. You can get a few VW's with turbo diesels, but they are expensive because you have to special order them.
The greens want us to use hybrid power instead, as being one step closer to eliminating the internal combustion engine altogther. But hybrid sucks for people like me who mostly drive on the highway. If turbo diesels weren't commercially unviable because of emissions laws, US manufacturers could offer European diesels in more cars and SUVs and give the US consumer a more effiecient internal combustion engine that is better all around than hybrid. But if given a choice, the US consumer would probably choose turbo diesel over hybrid 4:1, so the California tree-huggers have taken that option away from us.
ra
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It isn't so much as the American maufacturers being unable to develop good TDi engines, but rather the public simply won't buy them.
Back in the early '80's, some automakers offered diesels for sale in some of their vehicles. These engines were famously horrible and unpopular and tarished the reputation of the automtive diesel so severely that people STILL refuse to buy them.
J_A_B
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US manufacturers don't have to develop them, the Krauts already have. But there is no reason to offer them as a huge chunk of the American population live in states where they can't be sold.
And I think the boodoggle of the 80's is far enough behind us. The turbo diesel has a tried and true performance/reliabilty record.
ra
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Those Cab-Forward Chysler vehicles have a reputation as being a "jack of all trades" sort of car. They aren't really outstanding at any one thing, but they do eveything decently without any major drawbacks. J_A_B
Sorta like the F6F, eh?:D
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buy a real vehicle, i own a powerstroke 4x4 dually diesel, w/ 100,000 miles on it and it gets 20 mpg, and hold 6 people too, plus i can tow 16,000 pounds or more, cant beat it:) well in Texas we all drive big trucks lol:) <
> ChainguN
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Back in the early '80's, some automakers offered diesels for sale in some of their vehicles. These engines were famously horrible and unpopular and tarished the reputation of the automtive diesel so severely that people STILL refuse to buy them.
J_A_B
Yep. The Chevy 350 Gasoline block based Diesel, is really notorius for it's poor reliability. Those engines were outdated even at their time.
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That would be monster on our little B-roads, JAB. ;) Nice looking motorway cruiser though - looks like a smooth ride.
The funny thing is that diesel is getting more and more popular over here because of the rising petrol prices and economy of the new generation of diesel engines. Diesel is cheaper to refine than petrol, but guess what the UK government has done? Increased taxation on diesel so it is now 2-3p more expensive a litre than petrol. Still is way cheaper besed on consumption though. Shame you guys don't even get to make the switch.
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I had a long discussion with my friend who has driven GM diesels from old 350D and DX to 6,2liter and all of those were used cars and 300-400k km in odometer.
First 350's with cast iron crankshaft were the crappy one; friend said that all it needed was one kick to the gas pedal at the winter to break the shaft into two pieces if the engine wasn't warm enough. 350DX and later were/are pretty reliable with forged crankshaft and stronger bearings. GM also lowered the power of 350Ds at some point, guess they were pushing the engine bit too far at first.
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Originally posted by Staga
I had a long discussion with my friend who has driven GM diesels from old 350D and DX to 6,2liter and all of those were used cars and 300-400k km in odometer.
First 350's with cast iron crankshaft were the crappy one; friend said that all it needed was one kick to the gas pedal at the winter to break the shaft into two pieces if the engine wasn't warm enough. 350DX and later were/are pretty reliable with forged crankshaft and stronger bearings. GM also lowered the power of 350Ds at some point, guess they were pushing the engine bit too far at first.
Yep, so I've heard too. AFAIK the 350 D was basicaly the same engine as the gasoline 350. No wonder it didn't hold after doubling the compression ratio..
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If you're going to buy a Niva put a shield under the engine; the exhaust manifold tends to broke if you take the car to the woods... :D
Gotta say I'd rather buy an old Chevy Blazer or Dodge Ram than Niva. We have plenty of Blazers with 6.2 liter diesels; bit more expensive but much more comfortable than Nivas.