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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on October 21, 2004, 10:20:49 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=817&ncid=757&e=10&u=/ap/20041021/ap_on_fe_st/indonesia_pig_attack
yet another stunning example of muslim "extreemists"... this is getting to be accepted is seems.
Police did nothing to stop the attack Wednesday in South Tatura, central Sulawesi province, the paper reported. The farms belonged to local Christians.
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No one ever seems to believe me about the religious war going on in the world.
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:rolleyes:
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Yea, everyone in the twin towers were christian extremists...
Oh wait, no they weren't. The muslim extremists are out to kill everyone who doesn't follow their particular warped flavor of their religion. It's a religious war between all religious extremists and the entire rest of the world, not between 2 poorly behaved religious extremist groups.
I'm personally on at least one target list and have been for over 7 years. Being a target of a group of people I haven't done anything to really defined my attitudes towards religious extremist terrorists in general... If they're dead they can't hurt me or my family, and since they declared war on me personally before I did anything, I have absolutely no regard for their welfare. If they knock off their holy war and decline to continue coming after me and my family, I'd consider it "over", but they show no sign of doing so. When it comes to questions of "them or me", I choose me every time especially because they came after me first. I feel no compulsion to turn the other cheek because they'll keep killing until either they're wiped out or they convert everyone to their ways.
It's the difference between a military combatant and vermin. For example, back in the cold war, the typical Soviet troop would be considered by anyone to be an enemy military combatant. He probably didn't want to be fighting anyone, he didn't want to come to my house and kill everyone inside just to make a political statement or religious conversion, he was simply acting as the fist behind the last resort of the politicians of a legitimate government. A terrorist for whatever reason has decided that he needs to kill people not for defense and not in the interest of a legitimate national interest, but to forward his own personal agenda. Since I am not only a target in general, but also my name has been specifically passed to them, and there is no possible military justification behind targeting me or my family, to me they become vermin that need to be exterminated the same as I'd exterminate a scorpion running around in my house.
It's a good damn thing I'm not running the show because any city that harbored terrorists would have 48 hours to turn over the bastards or the city would be obliterated. If they want to be terrorists or permit terrorists to live safely among them, they can live in holes in the sand like the rest of the vermin.
But I'm not running the show and I follow orders, so my life and the lives of my family remain at risk from these extremists who consider me and my family nothing but objects to be blown up to help make their religious statements. Maybe that is called "civilization", giving people who have sworn to kill you and everyone you love a chance to do so repeatedly before you go after them, hoping that they'll get someone else next time and then just go away.
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well stated, pretty much sums up how i feel about it also.
dont forget they also believe they get into "heaven" by these acts of violence, and are given "special" treatment in "heaven" by dying in a fight for their religion
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Originally posted by GScholz
and your current actions are necessary for their success.
just curious, what are my actions?
if i went to Baghdad tomorrow and walked down the street alone i'd probably be killed, for what?
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For your good looks?????
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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GScholz
What are these specific goals the terrorists have? What will they do if they ever get them?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
GScholz
What are these specific goals the terrorists have? What will they do if they ever get them?
GScholz
I'd be interested to hear an answer to this as well.
Seems I have heard some goals...Let's see if your ideas are the same.
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GScholz
Interesting post. Thanks
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GScholz
Interesting, I seem to have a bias that makes me think islamic fundamentalist Terrorst are stupid, and would not have thought out things like that in the long run, but, being a religous nut does not mean your stupid.
Interesing. I am working on getting past any misconception like that. Do you have any sources in book form or on that net you can give? I would love to add them to my library.
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Originally posted by GScholz
There is a religious war. It's between Muslim extremists and Christian/Jewish extremists. Most of it is just harsh words, but may they all die painfully.
I know ya can't hear me GScholz but I don't think those pigs were extremists, just a little stinky maybe. Their extremist Christian owners did get a little outta line though, complaining about the lack of police protection and all. :rolleyes:
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Sorry Scholtz cant agree with most of what u said.
Formost is Iraq,If America doesnt cut and run like most want,who would you want to fight , a strong determend America, or sad..damn.
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"By fuelling the flames of hate on both sides they hope to take advantage of the ensuing chaos and shape the future of the Middle East from the ashes of conflict."
If I was a Yankonian, I would be sorely tempted to look at map, chuckle, and say, "**** it...have fun Europe.".
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GS your thoughts on the middle east are different, but that has nothing with indonesia as in the story i linked to...
the fact muslim's believe they can do "whatever" everywhere is beyond the middle east IMHO, and i liken it to the ghettos in LA and such. they do dispicable things, and the police dont act nearly as much or harshly as they should for fear of a "race riot" or something.
even here in lowly milwaukee a friend cop got rocks thrown at his car, and fruit... they just kept driving on in fear for their own safety. that is the norm in some bad neighborhoods. if they were to have stopped, they could have been shot (car already has 3 bullet holes from past incidents)
the children see this and think there is no authority, then go beat a homeless man to death, saying "it was like grand theft auto" when they were caught.
the story i posted was form the "oddly enough" when it should have been mainline news, not a "funny" story.
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waht the hell??
Another fact is that non-combatants are getting hurt and killed on both sides by both sides, as evident on 9/11, Madrid, and almost every day in Iraq. Even if the "coalition" forces try to avoid civilian casualties they have so far matched or even exceeded the number killed by terrorists/insurgents since 9/11 (Iraq invasion included).
see this is where i would love to pee on you..
We dont aim for kids and famlies..They do
I find it disgusting that you compare our military to there force of arms..
They bomb busses on purpose. western world does not. Is that hard for you to understand?
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
We dont aim for kids and famlies..They do
I'm sure that's cold comfort for the families of the people that die.
I find it disgusting that you compare our military to there force of arms..
Anything can be compared, they can also be contrasted.
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Originally posted by GScholz
The other side of that coin is of course that if the police are sympathetic to the antagonists they may choose to look the other way. This seems to be the case here. In either case it is repugnant, but this does not justify the title of this thread.
The title of the thread offends you?
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Despite all this smart arsed talk the simple irrefutible fact is that Islam has been approriated by these global terrorist movements as a central, as the central tenent of their theoiries. The fact that minstream islam has not rejected this abuse of their faith in any significant or meaningful way is an outrage and a blot on the religion whole.
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AMERISTALKERENVASHUN!!!!!!!!!1111111111111
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Despite all this smart arsed talk the simple irrefutible fact is that Islam has been approriated by these global terrorist movements as a central, as the central tenent of their theoiries. The fact that minstream islam has not rejected this abuse of their faith in any significant or meaningful way is an outrage and a blot on the religion whole.
Very well put, Mr. Grunherz. I couldn't agree more. Inasmuch as we cannot incriminate every Muslim for the actions of their fanatic bretheren, those who do nothing to publically denounce this behavior will never be fully innocent.
On that note, I'd like to give a quick salute to the Israelis for a job well done: Another Hamas cockroach crushed (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6300629/)
Some of you will say that this is just another step in a never-ending cycle of violence. I say way to go for remaining steadfast and vigilant.
PS: Will somebody explain to me what an Ameristalker is?
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There always has been and there always will be religious extremests, on all sides. People today forget "The Spanish Inquisition". Not one of Christianity's high points. I really believe at the core of most religions is peace and understanding. The problem is all the people you have to kill to reach it.
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Originally posted by rpm
There always has been and there always will be religious extremests, on all sides. People today forget "The Spanish Inquisition". Not one of Christianity's high points. I really believe at the core of most religions is peace and understanding. The problem is all the people you have to kill to reach it.
Stalin's purge wasn't one of atheism's high points either though it was significantly more murderous and much more recent.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Despite all this smart arsed talk the simple irrefutible fact is that Islam has been approriated by these global terrorist movements as a central, as the central tenent of their theoiries. The fact that minstream islam has not rejected this abuse of their faith in any significant or meaningful way is an outrage and a blot on the religion whole.
And how many "mainstream" muslims did you question to reach this shaky conclusion? Here in the UK, the moderate Muslim Council of Great Britain is always going on the record condemning the lastest outrage perpetrated by the extremists. It was moderate muslims took steps to have the vile Abu Hamza removed from Finsbury Park Mosque not so long ago. "Moderate muslims" from Britain formed a recent delegation to Iraq to negotiate for the lives of hostages. If these events and many like them in other sections of the world muslim population aren't being reported in the US media then you have to ask your self why. Either that or you're just not looking hard enough.
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They are but its not enough and its not meaningful.
Obviously there are differences in freedom of expression but until I see a level of disguist, dissent or rejection of the islamic terror even remotely comporable in fact or sprit to the iraq war protests from the big islamic nations like indonesia, egypt, pakisatan (where plenty feel free to protest for bin laden) then its all window dressing....
Moreover, where are the big islamic authorities mecca on this issue? Where are the fatwas against bin laden? Where the fatwas against the kidnappings, the beaheadings? The suicide bombings? Oh sure, there are some vague "ho hum yea yea bin laden you know that guy kinda sort of hes not too great, BUT...." And for a religion whoose high leaders have happily put death sentances on book writers that sort of mediocre vague and indecisave comment just doesnt cut it...
So yes, obviously some muslims - especially some in the west - are not happy, but none of it is signinficant enough and impactful enough on a world scale...
I'm waiting for even the start, even an inkling of genuine, real, globe spanning muslim outrage at this bastardization of their religion. And brother, both of us know it's not there, not even close...
This hijacking of their religion is a cancer on islam and unfortunately, at best, the world of islam is largely ignoring it...
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Originally posted by AKIron
Stalin's purge wasn't one of atheism's high points either though it was significantly more murderous and much more recent.
Assuming of course Atheism was the primary reasoning behind the purges, which of course it wasn't.
Class destruction, paranoia, state terrorism and political ideology were Stalin's gospel.
Originally posted by GScholz
There is a religious war. It's between Muslim extremists and Christian/Jewish extremists. Most of it is just harsh words, but may they all die painfully.
Bet the Hindu extremists are annoyed they are left out. They kill plenty of both and don't even get a mention....
Tronsky
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On the one hand, Grunherz, you'll complain of biased media reporting selectively showing one side of the story and missing key events or reports on Iraq that show it to be the next Tuscany.
Yet, you don't for a minute stop to think that maybe this same selective reporting can be applied to alot of other issues, including the supposed lack of condemnation in the Muslim world. Strange how when the media wants a Muslim's opinion on an issue they ask the Abu Hamzas of this world, and not some accountant from Sussex. Far less alarming and sensationalist.
Like Momus mentions, the British Council of Muslims has repeatedly condemned the beheadings of the hostages (I posted the link a while back for the one relating to the killing of Richard Pearl). It goes unreported for the most part, but it is there.
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Grun, Islam isn't some monolithic religious organization like the catholic church or the chruch of england, with a pope or archbishop to make pronouncements on behalf of the entire congregation. It is probably the most splintered and factional of all the worlds religions, so to expect statements from "the big islamic authorities" isn't going to happen, because such a thing doesn't exist.
They are but its not enough and its not meaningful.
Says who? You? Excuse me if I disagree:
"Muslim condemnation of terrorist attacks almost universal" says this (Jesuit) academic. (http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/dialogue/documents/articles/michel_muslim_christian_relations_post_terror.htm)
Council on Islamic-American Relations condemns attacks (http://www.cair-net.org/crisiscenter/html/cair_ad.html)
Muslim Americans condemn attacks (http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335)
Islamic Scholars denouce Bin-Laden (http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wtc-distortion.html)
Bin Laden's idea of Jihad wrong say Muslim Scholars (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/39887_islam22.shtml)
British muslims condem 911 attacks (http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=1062)
Canadian Muslims condemn 911 attacks (http://muslim-canada.org/news09112001.html)
Miscellaneous condemnations of the 911 attacks from across the islamic world, including "Fatwas" from Egyptian and Saudi Islamic authorities. (http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm)
Bid Laden's violence is heresy against Islam (http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wtc-heresy.html)
It took me about 30 seconds to find these references and I could have posted ten times as many. I guess I was right and you just haven't tried that hard to dispell your own preconceptions.