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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Furball on October 22, 2004, 11:55:26 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3945443.stm
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Iraq, Hell, handbasket.
-SW
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wow... ya gotta admit tho... a weeping woman has a lot more effect on ya than a man.
That is one of the reasons I don't want women in combat.
what are they gonna do next? televised bayoneting of babies if we don't let them run iraq?
lazs
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What ****ing handsomehunkes. This woman has citizenship in Iraq and has been there through thick and thin helping where ever she can.
I seriously hope these *******s who kidnapped her get raped by pigs.
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These people are mentally ill and need to be disposed of with minimal effort or fuss. Anything else would give their existance too much credence.
I'm sure if they behead her, we can watch it on some trashy internet news site. Although, you might have to register for something so juicy.
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I won't watch it.
lazs
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the world at war and the world doesnt quite seem to appreciate it.
Yet......
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Originally posted by lazs2
I won't watch it.
lazs
And neither will I. Mostly out of respect .
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so you saying you have watched the others?
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/Rant On...
The one thing I do not understand is why no one is putting the screws to Al-jazeera. They must have some contact with these groups to be able to air these messages.
Perhaps its time they were shutdown.
I can understand journalistic integriity and not wanting to divulge your sources, however this goes beyond the pale. This makes them accessories to murder in my mind.
Rant off/
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Originally posted by Furball
so you saying you have watched the others?
Speaking for myself the answer is no. I refuse to. I will not, as stated before, mostly out of respect. I also will not be a statistic of viewing something like this put on the net or film by some sadistic, twisted person or persons. I would not give them the gratification.
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The videos are posted on extremist websites and sold on CD/DVD. I'm sure Al Jazeera don't have someone embedded with with these people picking up a live feed from the front row.
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Originally posted by Atoll
Perhaps its time they were shutdown.
Couple of LGB's into Al-jazeera Headquarters would take them off the air. Where is thier HQ located?
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Originally posted by Dowding
The videos are posted on extremist websites and sold on CD/DVD. I'm sure Al Jazeera don't have someone embedded with with these people picking up a live feed from the front row.
I realize they probably do not have someone embedded with them, but I doubt they are buying a CD/DVD off the streets either, otherwise why this:
An editor at al-Jazeera said the network had received the tape on Friday but refused to give details of how or where.
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the editor at al-jazeear should be "interorigated".
"ve haf vays to make you talk"
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furball... what gave you the impression that I have watched the others? I have no interest in watching executions of inocents.
lazs
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This may be an unpopular view, but she must have known the the risks.
Her abduction is wrong and hopefully those who abducted her will pay.
Ravs
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It's the usual dilemma -- how do you keep people informed when the terrorists thrive on the publicity? If the media don't show the demands (how explicitly is a separate issue, the less graphic detail the better), they would be blamed more than when they do serve as an information conduit.
Need to take a consistent worldwide moral high ground with terrorists. Not my God is stronger than your God, but THE Universal Morality has standards that you are violating, which will bring disastrous consequences upon you unless you change your conduct immediately.
The only response to terrorist demands should be: "You gain nothing by this act except hatred for you and everyone associated with you. If you kill your captive you will be hunted down like beasts and destroyed for the good of humanity. If you release your captive and repent there may be hope for you. No matter what anyone has told you, in ignorance or in malice, by any religious measure and universal morality, those who murder the innocent are doomed to eternal suffering for their crimes. Release your captive and seek forgiveness before you disgrace yourself, shame your family, degrade your cause, and condemn your soul to hell."
Well, heck, it makes the utterer feel better even if it does fall on deaf ears.
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Nice sentiment, Halo, but what it won't do is get the people who are doing these things in Iraq whose sole purpose is to destablise the democratic process.
God knows, most of the Iraqis don't want them there. They just want to live a normal life.
Ravs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I won't watch it.
lazs
I'm with you 100% on this one.
I haven't watched any of these videos and won't.
a major difference between terrorism and warfare is, IMO, is target selection criteria.
in war targets are primarily chosen for strategic value, to disable the enemies ability to fight.
with terrorism it seems targets are judged by hype value. what will upset people the most, what will get the most news coverage, what will get the most people to hear about some cause that most wouldn't be interested in otherwise.
this woman is a prime example. in warfare standards she has no value as a target. from what I've read she has been helping Iraqi people for quite a while, a 'good samaritan', with no military connections.
but these things make her a perfect terrorism target (her being a woman adds a bit of value too).
they gain nothing from killing her except their main goal- the hype.
if we would stop watching these types of videos. turn the channel when discussion of it comes on.
as hard as it is to do, the only thing your average man can do to help fight it is to ignore it as much as you possibly can. if you do this, and let the media know that you're changing the channel when these things are reported, it will get less air time.
the terrorists count on their message getting out along with the story of the abduction/murders, in fact it's the whole point.
if we stop giving it the hype then their is no value.
as crazy as they seem they do have a motivation for what they do. limiting the hype for this type of thing should take that motivation away or at least reduce the pay-off.
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Originally posted by ravells
This may be an unpopular view, but she must have known the the risks.
Her abduction is wrong and hopefully those who abducted her will pay.
Ravs
I agree Ravells but not in this particular case. She's been there for 30 years and has different motives than civilian contractors who are over there.
Civilians should be pulled out as they're doing more harm than good, however inadvertantly it may be.
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It's not a question of what we feel is right. it's a question of what we know they are capabable of doing.
Ravs
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For the most part while horrible I do not feel particularly bad for those civilians that get abducted over there. Even if they are killed.
Those people are not forced to be there and for the most part are there out of their own sense of greed as Im sure they must be getting paid a significant amount of money to be willing to go over there.
I know for sure I woudnt be willing to work over there for any kind of standard wage
And while it may sound cold
But You know what your getting into when you decide to go over there and they decided to roll the dice and take their chances. They lost.
Im not saying its right or its ok. but it is the way it is.
That being said, I DO find this incident particularly infuriating because She wasnt the enemy. She was not over there out of greed. Or to help fill the coffers of some corporate conglomerate
She was over there for what, 30 years I think they said?
To do and doing nothing more then HELP the Iraqi people.
She was practically one of them
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Absolutely.
But she must have known she'd be a target.
This is a bit like the rape agrument...are they asking for it if they are provocatively dressed in a place they shouldn't be'.
It is utterly WRONG that she has been abducted and may well die. Don't forget the objective of the people who have abducted her is to destablise the country and to do anything which achieves that end.
But she ought to have known the risks. The more I see this sort of stuff on TV the more I hope the Iraqi people will see (which I am sure they do) that the people who are doing these acts are less than human.
That said, the abductors havn't yet killed a woman (they released the women they held before) and Islam is a religion which treats women badly in some ways but usually not as 'prisoners of war'
let's just hope and pray she'll be ok.
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Guy here at work was listening to Savage Nation. Seems as tho there is a 250k reward for an american Female Soldier. :mad:
No source as of yet other than that. He read an email from a female soldier to her Mom.
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She will probaly be dead soon. If anything Britain should send in more troops to hunt these bastards down..
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Hey RedTop :) Hows things mate?
There are some truly messed up freaks over there, the only thing stopping them from wiping themselves out are the western infidels, fricken ironic.
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Hi Chortle. Things are pretty good...been better Bud. Come fly with me and the squaddies sometime man. Would be great to have ya. We have like 10-15 brits in the squad now. How's things with you as well?
71st RAF Spitfires. 122 channel on the Knights:aok
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i wish NASA will "exidently" hit and crash Al jezira satalite..
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Remember, the people who are kidnapping and murdering people in Iraq, are "freedom fighters", or "insurgents", not "terrorists", "criminals", "thugs", or "craven cowards".
Interesting choice of victims this time, a woman, who at least at one time held Iraqi citizenship, and has been helping the Iraqis for 3 decades.
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When will middle east "freedom fighters" (and, ya know, I'm sure that's something they might think of themselves as)... When are they going to learn, that the Western World (as in, the current RULERS of the world, like it or not), does not feel sympathetic to such actions?
When are they going to knock this **** off for a day, go to a library and read about someone like Ghandi or MLK????
Why, if they are so terribly interested in getting us out of there, do they insist on taking actions that will inevitably keep us there, and make things harder on themselves?
I'm sorry but these fellows are idiots. So are the Palestinians, for that matter. In the latter's case, they actually have a very, very strong case. But the way the "present it" (with carbombs and the like), doesn't exactly make many people in the Western World want to listen to it, or help them. I'd be willing to guess that many people in America think they're a bunch of *******s.
Over the past few years I've drawn this conclusion, I'm sorry, but the Middle East is just full of morons. I'm sitting here with a puzzled brow, not overy agitated as I type, just completely, well, bewildered! I've read a bit of history, you don't find this sort of idiocy too often. With the internet surely they could study up a bit and come up with a better plan that might actually succeed!?
Where are the Ghandi's of the Middle East?
Well, anyway, while they're looking for one, I say we just take all our troops, build defenses around key oil regions, and defend a corridor to the sea. They were the Fertile Crescent long before people needed gasoline, and they did just fine back then. Let 'em go back to the stone age in all respects...
Cause I'll tell you right now, I don't care who gets elected, or how many troops we send over there, until the Middle Easterners can figure out a humane, compassionate way of trying to free themselves of our little Imperial Game, this **** will never stop. All we're doing is throwing a bunch of money into the sand.
(Oh, and, incidentally, freeing many people, at least some of whom must be genuinely grateful for all our soldiers dying over there to help them have a better life)... Maybe send "Habitat for Humanity en masse over there & build a nice new country in part of Iraq, build a big old wall, and leave the rest to the sandstorms and vultures?
I call it "Consolidate, then Crap"... New campaign catch-phrase?
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It should be noted that Ghandi was killed by one of his own and an extremist.
I suspect a Middle Eastern ghandi will have a tougher task ahead of him/her just to survive the type of people who behead people with rusty spoons.
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Originally posted by Atoll
I realize they probably do not have someone embedded with them, but I doubt they are buying a CD/DVD off the streets either, otherwise why this:
An editor at al-Jazeera said the network had received the tape on Friday but refused to give details of how or where.
Al-Jazeera may get the tapes first, but every other news service runs the same footage. If a western service was being handed these tapes, they would run them just as quickly...
And just like every news service hold their sources confidential if required.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Al-Jazeera may get the tapes first, but every other news service runs the same footage. If a western service was being handed these tapes, they would run them just as quickly...
And just like every news service hold their sources confidential if required.
Tronsky
Except al jazeraa always seems to get them first and thus logically has the most direct connection to the people doing the beheadings..
Nice of them to keep silent about those sources...
:rolleyes:
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I won't watch any of the films.. it just gives em power.
I don't think that it matters to them that she was there trying to help the people... they don't want the people helped they want to enslave the people and force their will on the people like the sadman did and like so many other arab leaders do.
They simply want to terrorize the people into bowing to thier will.
They understand force. They are hoping to break our resove before we kill them all.
lazs
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Quote:
"They understand force. They are hoping to break our resove before we kill them all. "
Well, give the Islamofascists a little credit. They managed to break the "resolve" of the Leftist-Liberals about three days after 9/11....
C.
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Originally posted by lazs2
furball... what gave you the impression that I have watched the others? I have no interest in watching executions of inocents.
lazs
Sorry i was being dumb, i completely misread it.