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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: humble on October 22, 2004, 01:35:43 PM
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Happened to grap a Ki-61 for 1st time in AH2. Seems to be a much more formidable plane than in AH1? Just curious how big the difference is (or am I imagining it) and which is closer to reality?
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I haven't flown it much in AH2 yet, but in AH1 I always considered it one of the most underrated planes in the game. What little time in AH2 I have spent in it has been in the CT where I haven't noticed much of a change, it could and still does out turn a F4U :)
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To me it seems it was better in AH1 than in AH2.
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the Ki in this game can turn with (or out turn) F4Us and F6Fs planes in sustained tuerns except the wildcats.
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It's underpower plane, but it's turner than AH1's one, and its controllability is better.
I always think if it is powerful, or lighter...I hope Pyro decides to release early Tony (Ki-61-I-Ko or Otsu), Ki-61-II, and Ki-100-I-Otsu! :)
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Mitsu,
You think it turns better?
It seems to me that in AH1 I could out turn F6Fs and F4Us in it and in AH2 the F6F and F4U out turn the Ki-61-I-Tei.
You are defineatly right about it being underpowered. That is what keeps me from flying it. Well, that and it's poor visibility.
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I am able to turn fight it pretty good in a F6F. It does seem a bit better ride in AH2 that AH1. I still dont fly it a whole lot but I really love its cannons rapid rate of fire.
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feels better in ah2 than 1, but i dont fly it enough to really know.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Mitsu,
You think it turns better?
It seems to me that in AH1 I could out turn F6Fs and F4Us in it and in AH2 the F6F and F4U out turn the Ki-61-I-Tei.
You are defineatly right about it being underpowered. That is what keeps me from flying it. Well, that and it's poor visibility.
I out-turned F6Fs and F4Us in AH2 but I've been out-turned by P-38L at vertical...hehe :D
Again I hope to see those 3 Tonys in AH2...
1) Ki-61-I-Ko or Otsu...it's lighter than Model "Tei", this model would be maneuverable than it. Also, this model fills the gap of early(-mid) Japanese plane set.
2) Ki-61-II...it has 1500hp class liquid-cooled engine. this model is heaver than Model "Tei", but faster and climbs and dives better. Also it has about twofold 20mm ammo to Model "Tei". The Ki-61-II would be one of the best BnZ fighters in Japanese plane set.
3) Ki-100-I-Otsu...it has 1500hp class air-cooled engine. this model is lighter than Model "Tei". The top speed is the same, climbs and accelerates better. it turns much better by lighter weight and improved weight balance too. Also it has about twofold 20mm ammo to Model "Tei...The Ki-100-I-Otsu would be one of the best TnBer in Japanese plane set. The I-Otsu has also bubble canopy, its visibility is good.
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I think the F6/F6s were upgraded and that's why they might turn better than the Tony.
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Originally posted by Karnak
To me it seems it was better in AH1 than in AH2.
I agree. It took a big hit in maneuverability. Was a time when it could handle the P-40E in a stall fight... No longer, the P-40 eats it alive.
My regards,
Widewing
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I think its a much better turner in AH2, I've had no real problem 1 on 1 with any plane (now some of the pilots are a diff storty:)). Fubar got me with a zeke (but was a pretty good fight) and flyboy took me out back to tool shed in 38 (just kills Ki in vert) but other than that it'll handle any plane pilot combo...obviously numbers kill it since your not gonna run anywhere and you've got a small clip but overall its a nice ride. I've flown it for 3 days now and am 51 & 22 which is about as good as anything else I'd fly:). I'd say 10-12 deaths are vulchee or buff and the others are 1/2 being run down by multiple la-7s and such. The other 5-6 are just getting wupped on...but that'll happen regardless of plane (IMO). Had 2 25+ perk hops today in it....Think I like it better than 205 (especially on "big" maps) but not as good an MA ride as -1 hog.
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3) Ki-100-I-Otsu...it has 1500hp class air-cooled engine. this model is lighter than Model "Tei". The top speed is the same, climbs and accelerates better. it turns much better by lighter weight and improved weight balance too. Also it has about twofold 20mm ammo to Model "Tei...The Ki-100-I-Otsu would be one of the best TnBer in Japanese plane set. The I-Otsu has also bubble canopy, its visibility is good.
Hmmm....
Sign me up for one :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
I agree. It took a big hit in maneuverability. Was a time when it could handle the P-40E in a stall fight... No longer, the P-40 eats it alive.
My regards,
Widewing
I wouldnt say that. Matter of fact, as I was reading the posts I was thinking just how well it does against P40s, both in stall fights and in chasing them down. It's a tad bit faster level, it climbs better, and it will certainly outperform a P40E in a stall fight.
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Hi Widewing,
>I agree. It took a big hit in maneuverability. Was a time when it could handle the P-40E in a stall fight... No longer, the P-40 eats it alive.
Surprising! What's the boost of that P-40E? I've made a quick estimate for the Ki-61, using DB601A-1 data (1020 HP max), compared to a thorough P-40E analysis (1210 HP max at 44" Hg/ 3000 rpm).
My results suggest a great advantage for the Ki-61 in most respects, particularly turn. As the P-40E is heavier by a ton, that seems realistic to me :-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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As I understand it, when the Ki-61 first showed up it swung the balance back to the Japanese against the P-40s that were being used in it's area. Given the time frame I'd guess that those would have been P-40Es.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I wouldnt say that. Matter of fact, as I was reading the posts I was thinking just how well it does against P40s, both in stall fights and in chasing them down. It's a tad bit faster level, it climbs better, and it will certainly outperform a P40E in a stall fight.
My experience comes from flying the P-40 against the Ki-61 in the TA and DA. At low speeds, the Ki-61 drops its wing like a crazy. One the other hand, the P-40E is far more stable. In a flaps out stall fight, the Ki-61 absolutely stinks.
We were very surprised too.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
My experience comes from flying the P-40 against the Ki-61 in the TA and DA. At low speeds, the Ki-61 drops its wing like a crazy. One the other hand, the P-40E is far more stable. In a flaps out stall fight, the Ki-61 absolutely stinks.
We were very surprised too.
My regards,
Widewing
Is it an axis ride?
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The P40 is american, the KI is Japanese.
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The magic working here, again, as with all US aircraft in the game, is the flaps. The same incredible flap efficiency that allows P-47s to outturn 109s in a slow-speed sustained turn fight.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The magic working here, again, as with all US aircraft in the game, is the flaps. The same incredible flap efficiency that allows P-47s to outturn 109s in a slow-speed sustained turn fight.
Which is the point where you hit WEP in the 109, pull the nose up and leave that big fat Jug out of breath. Just pray he doesn't get a bead on you. If he fails he's dead.
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the ki61 is sickly underpowered IMO
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Originally posted by Flyboy
the ki61 is sickly underpowered IMO
Disagree. Only problem with the Tony is that it doesn't climb particularly well. Very important to hold it in the 200-300 mph range; if you do that, it's reallyl a great ride. Unlike Widewing, I've found that the Tony - even in AH2 - is marginally superior to the P40E in just about everything. That matchup, though, is one of the best in AH.
- oldman
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Ki's turning ability will increase if i burn left and right wing fuel tanks right?
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roll response will do.
Generally, turn ability is increased as lose fuel.
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THe AH2 flaps of US fighters are something else...
:D
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yeah.
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i'd be laughing if our new Ki-84 cant outturn P-51s and '38s if flaps are deployed duing lo speeds. :D
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Originally posted by Flyboy
the ki61 is sickly underpowered IMO
hehe...I remember that comment. I have come to find that as wildwing says the plane falls off very suddenly at stall. Realistically it doesnt matter 98% of the time, but against that 2% that can put the fight on the edge its brutal. In both fights with flyboy I could keep all the pieces on the plane till I ran out of alt to trade for E. Since he flew primarily a "top down" fight I never really got the chance to force the issue. So far I havent lost a fight to a spit, nikki,F6 or hurricane (or P-40) eats em all up...now obviously if I run into mathman,Taki,Levi that will change:) :eek: :( ....