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Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Schutt on October 23, 2004, 10:03:38 AM
When switching to plane type icon mode, a friendly fm2 shows up as F4F.
Not sure for enemy fm2s though.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Shane on October 23, 2004, 10:46:19 AM
not a bug, that's just the way it's always been.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Soulyss on October 23, 2004, 01:40:14 PM
FM-2 are F4F's just a different manufacturer... kinda like the difference between a TBF and a TBM... if you use the Grumman naming system I think the FM-2 corresponds to somthing like the F4F-7 or somthing (I'd have to go look it up)
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Krusty on October 23, 2004, 10:49:19 PM
FM-2 is NOT the same as the F4F.

It is a later model, with an improved engine, better performance, and even has WEP (which the F4F does not have).

As far as I recall, I thought all FM-2s had their own icon, but it's been a while since I remember.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: XrightyX on October 23, 2004, 10:58:46 PM
Krusty's right.

The FM-1 was the GM equivalent of the F4F-4.

The FM-2 was the GM equivalent of the Grumman designed XF4F-8 improved version.  

It was manufactured almost until the end of the war for escort carrier use.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Soulyss on October 23, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
FM2's and F4F's are the same... the FM-2 is a later model of the F4F-4 we have in the game, but it's still a F4F.  Unless I'm remembering things all wrong.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: XrightyX on October 23, 2004, 11:24:40 PM
Pulling it right of The Hamlyn Concise Guide to American Aircraft of WWII...might be more authoritative sources, but...

F4F-4 (by Grumman) was equivalent to the FM-1 (by General Motors).

righty
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: Soulyss on October 24, 2004, 01:18:47 AM
... I'm not saying that the F4F-4 and the FM-2 are the same plane... I'm saying that are both different models of the F4F line of aircraft... thus it is not unusual that they share the same icon.
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: XrightyX on October 24, 2004, 09:08:46 AM
Ah yes, point well taken.  Kind of like the 190 series or the F4Us--they share the same icon.  But, hard to say they are the same plane in an absolute sense.

righty
Title: FM2 icon
Post by: nirvana on October 24, 2004, 10:06:32 PM
If i recall the FM-2 was an F4F-8 manufactured by General Motors.  Just off the top of my head though, nothing to back it up.
Title: Naval Aircraft Designations
Post by: Phantom4 on October 25, 2004, 10:07:43 AM
1922-1962 System

Airplanes
 
examples (1923)                       TB3F-1S    HO4S-1    WF-2  
                               
(5) Status or class prefix               -         H         -  
(1) Type or class                       TB         O         W  
(4) Manufacturer type sequence           3         4        [1]  
(2) Manufacturer                         F         S         F  
(3) Aircraft configuration sequence      1         1         2  
(6) Special purpose suffix               S         -         -  
note: the numbers in parentheses indicate the order of adoption of each portion


Status/class prefix

H  Helicopter          
L  Glider  
N  1st-line aircraft assigned to reserve  
X  Experimental  
Y  Prototype  


Type or Class  - Note: "V" prefix not included, since it was only used
                        for administrative purposes

A   Ambulance                  1943  
A   Attack                     1946-1962  
B   Bomber                     1931-1943  
BF  Bomber-Fighter             1934-1937  
BT  Bomber-Torpedo (to A)      1942-1945  
DS  Anti-submarine drone       1959-1962  
F   Fighter                    1922-1962  
G   Transport, single-engine   1939-1941  
G   Flight refuelling tanker   1958-1962  
HC  Crane helicopter           1951-1955  
J   Transport (to R)           1928-1931  
J   Utility                    1931-1962  
JR  Utility transport          1935-1962  
M   Marine expeditionare       1922-1923  
N   Trainer                    1922-1960  
O   Observation                1922-1962  
OS  Observation-Scout          1935-1945  
P   Patrol                     1923-1962  
PB  Patrol Bomber              1935-1962  
PTB Patrol Torpedo-Bomber      1937  
R   Racer                      1922-1928  
R   Transport                  1931-1962  
RO  Rotorcycle                 1954-1959  
S   Scout                      1922-1946  
S   Anti-submarine             1951-1962  
SB  Scout Bomber               1934-1946  
SN  Scout-Trainer              1939-1962  
SO  Scout-Observation          1935-1946
T   Torpedo                    1922-1935  
T   Trainer                    1948-1962  
T   Transport                  1927-1930  
TB  Torpedo-Bomber             1935-1946  
TD  Target Drone               1942-1946  
TS  Torpedo-Scout              1943  
U   Utility                    1955-1962  
U   Unpiloted drone            1946-1955  
W   Airborne Early Warning     1952-1962  


Manufacturer's Letters
 
A  Aeromarine Plane and Motor Company                      1922
A  Allied Aviation Corporation (gliders only)              1941-1943
A  Atlantic Fokker Corporation (American Fokker)           1927-1930
A  Brewster Aeronautical Corporation                       1935-1943
A  General Aviation Corporation (formerly Atlantic)        1930-1932
A  Noorduyn Aviation, Ltd. (Canada)                        1946  
B  Beech Aircraft Company                                  1937-1945
B  Boeing Aircraft Company                                 1923-1959
B  Edward G. Budd Manufacturing Company                    1942-1944
B  Aerial Engineering Corporation (Booth or Bee Line)      1922  
BS Blackburn Aeroplane & Motor Company (England)           1922  
C  Cessna Aircraft Corporation (also E)                    1943  
C  Culver Aircraft Corporation                             1943-1946
C  Curtiss Aeroplane & Motor Company                       1922-1946
C  De Havilland of Canada, Ltd.                            1955-1956
CH Caspar-Werke Gmbh (Germany)                             1922  
D  Douglas Aircraft Corporation                            1922-1962
D  Frankfort Sailplane Company (target drones)             1945-1946
D  McDonnell Aircraft Corporation (to H)                   1942-1946
D  Radioplane Corporation (drones)                         1943-1962
DH De Havilland Aircraft Co., Ltd. (England)               1927-1931
DW Dayton-Wright Airplane Company                          1923  
E  Bellanca Aircraft Corporation                           1931-1937
E  Cessna Aircraft Corporation (formerly C)                1951-1962
E  Detroit Aircraft Corporation (to Great Lakes)           1928  
E  Edo Aircraft Corporation                                1943-1946
E  G. Elias & Brothers, Inc.                               1922-1924
E  Gould Aeronautical Corporation (gliders)                1942-1945
E  Hiller Aircraft Corporation (helicopters)               1948-1962
E  Piper Aircraft Corporation (airplanes) (also O/P)       1941-1945
E  Pratt-Read (gliders)                                    1942-1945
F  Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation                1931-1962
G  A.G.A. Aviation Corporation (gliders)                   1942  
G  Bell Aircraft Corporation (for Bell-built Great Lakes)  1935-1936
G  Eberhart Aeroplane & Motor Company                      1927-1928
G  Gallaudet Aircraft Corporation                          1922  
G  Globe Aircraft Corporation (target drones)              1946-1959
G  Goodyear Aircraft Corporation                           1942-1962
G  Great Lakes Aircraft Corporation (ex-Detroit)           1929-1935
G  Gyrodyne Co. of America (drones, rotorcycles, to N)     1960  
H  Howard Aircraft Company                                 1941-1944
H  McDonnell Aircraft Corporation (formerly D)             1946-1962
H  Snead and Company (gliders)                             1942  
J  Berliner-Joyce Aircraft Corporation                     1929-1935
J  North American Aviation Corporation (successor to       1937-1962
    General Aviation)  
K  Fairchild Aircraft Corporation (Kreider-Reisner)        1937-1942
K  Kaiser Cargo, Inc. (Fleetwings Division)                1943-1945
L  Bell Aircraft Corporation (helicopters after 1946)      1939-1962
M  General Motors Corporation (Eastern Aircraft Division)  1942-1945
N  Gyrodyne Co. of America Inc. (drones, rotorcycles)      1960  
N  Naval Aircraft Factory                                  1922-1945
O  Lockheed Aircraft Corporation (Plant B)                 1931-1950
O  Piper Aircraft Corporation (also E/P)                   1960  
O  Viking Flying Boat Corporation                          1929-1936
P  Piasecki Helicopter Corp. (formerly P-V Engineering)    1946-1960
P  Piper Aircraft Corporation (gliders)                    1942-1943
P  Pitcairn Autogyro Corporation                           1931-1932
P  P-V Engineering Forum (later Piasecki, Vertol)          1944-1962
P  Vertol Aircraft Corporation (formerly Piasecki, P-V;    1956-1962
    to Boeing 1960)  
P  Spartan Aircraft Company                                1940-1941
PL George Parnall & Company (England)                      1922  
Q  Bristol Aeronautical Corporation (gliders)              1941-1943
Q  Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation               1928-1962
Q  Stinson Aircraft Corporation (to Convair, 1942)         1934-1936
Q  Charles Ward Hall, Inc.                                 1926  
R  Aeronca Aircraft Corporation (gliders)                  1942  
R  American Aviation Corporation (gliders)                 1942  
R  Brunswick-Balke-Collender Corporation                   1942-1943
R  Ford Motor Company                                      1927-1932
R  Interstate Aircraft & Engineering Corporation (drones)  1942-1962
R  Maxson-Brewster Corporation                             1939-1940
R  Radioplane Division, Northrop Corp. (target drones)     1943-1962
R  Ryan Aeronautical Company                               1941-1946
RO Officine Ferroviarie Meridionali Romeo                  1933  
S  Schweizer Aircraft Corporation (gliders)                1941  
S  Sikorsky Aviation Corporation (helicopters after 1943)  1928-1962
S  Stearman Aircraft Company (later Boeing-Wichita, 1939)  1934-1945
S  Stout Engineering Laboratories                          1922  
S  Sperry Gyroscope Company (target drones)                1950  
S  Supermarine                                             1943  
T  New Standard Aircraft Corporation                       1930-1934
T  Northrop Aircraft, Inc.                                 1944  
T  The Northrop Corporation (later Douglas-El Segundo)     1933-1937
T  Temco Aircraft Corporation                              1956  
T  Timm Aircraft Corporation                               1941-1943
T  Thomas-Morse Aircraft Corporation                       1922  
U  Chance Vought Corporation (now Ling-Temco-Vought)       1922-1962
V  Lockheed Aircraft Corporation (Vega, Plant A)           1942-1962
V  Canadian Vickers, Ltd.                                  1942-1945
V  Vultee Aircraft, Inc. (to Consolidated as Convair, Y, 1942)1941  
VK Vickers, Ltd. (England)                                 1922  
W  Canadian Car & Foundry Co., Ltd.                        1942-1945
W  Waco Aircraft Corporation (gliders after 1942)          1934-1945
W  Wright Aeronautical Corporation                         1922-1926
X  Cox-Klemin Aircraft Corporation                         1922-1924
Y  Consolidated (to Convair 1942)                          1926-1942
Y  Convair (Consolidated-Stonson-Vultee)                   1942-1962
Y  General Dynamics (General Dynamics-Convair est. 1961)   1961-1962
Z  Pennsylvania Aircraft Syndicate                         ?