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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: simshell on October 23, 2004, 07:37:39 PM
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im geting so sick of hearing this people whine that 1 player should not have power to take a field then when a group of guys gets working to take a field you whine and call it a Horde
so if its more then 3 guys its now a horde that is bad but if its smaller they should not be able to take anything make up your mind
what is wrong with alot of people working to take fields you just call it a horde and act like its EVIL!
when is it not a evil hord huh?
even when are squad works as a team we get called a horde missions get called a horde and its evil or some thing
look it guys if you base a horde on just the numbers you see in 1 area then to you anything with a large group is a evil horde:rolleyes:
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Hordes are not a large group of people working together to take fields. Hordes are large groups of people that get larger and larger because the safety in numbers, but they also almost always project their numerical strength on to an undefended field. To come in with numbers is one thing, something that makes for a hell of a lot of action. A horde is a 25 plane bish mission to a field that has no defense whatsoever. Two hordes never collide, they always go the easy route, killing gameplay and making for no action at all except building busting and augering. Basically, its a chicken sh*t way to be safe flying w/ a ton of guys yet putting yourself at no danger (yet many of the dweebs still die anyway) to win the land grab "war" at any cost. If your side is being attacked, the horde will not defend, it simply goes and swarms some other undefended field on the front. I can't tell you how many times i've seen a country's homeland under siege while this same country hordes a field far from their HQ just to grab a base. It sucks, it sucks, it sucks. A smaller version of the horde is everyone in a fight diving on the low easy con instead of engaging the high bogeys that are the real threat, just trying to grab an easy kill then run home to their base. This is mostly referred to as gangbanging, but it is essentially the same tactic, just in air to air combat vs the land grab. Again, all the lamers suck. :mad:
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The whiners are the "This ain't a Sim", Fly at 1K or less, Turn and burn, fly till ya die nobody's that want to tell every one in the arena how to play the game. They haven't learned to play and let play.
Advice! Ignore them. Either AH will disappear (numbers decreasing daily) or they will move on to some other Quake Mod.
Ahhh well....
Dracon
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It depends who you ask as yo what a hoard is, but typically the whining starts when a numericly superior force overwhelms the defensive force at/near a base. You see, there is this perception that if only 5 poeple are defending, its rude to attack with 20 planes.....kinda silly I know.
The other thing is that its somehow wrong for the superior force to maintain cap over a field. Personally I find it beyond boring to fly with 20+ friendlies all trying to be in the lead of the vulch O matic. But I do think its fun to fly CAP in large formations sweeping the enemy from the sky.
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Originally posted by dracon
The whiners are the "This ain't a Sim", Fly at 1K or less, Turn and burn, fly till ya die nobody's that want to tell every one in the arena how to play the game. They haven't learned to play and let play.
Advice! Ignore them. Either AH will disappear (numbers decreasing daily) or they will move on to some other Quake Mod.
Ahhh well....
Dracon
3-4k
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Dracon you've turned into a bitter bastage. Read Stangs reply again. If it applies then you have something to think about.
Also Sax is correct, any more than that and they avoid the fight anyway.
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a hoard is a group of any number not interested in dogfighting at all, all they want to do is get their ord on a hangar, then try and vulch.
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What Stang, Sax and NoPoop said..... Yeeeaaah baaaabbbyyyyyy! :p
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a horwid is a buncha bad pipple ... (heave heave) ... that ... that ... s w a r mmmmmmm ... all over ... me and ... my ... val i ant .. fwends ... an .. an ... they shoot ... an an ... they rocket ... an an ... they bomb ... us ... until ... we ... are ...
compelled to issue yet another Why Me Why Me OH OH Why ME!
to the tune of Why Me a Wivver and O Man Wivver He Jes Kips Vulchin Alooooonngggg ...
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You can always tell the path of The Horde because the rooftops and trees are coated with spittle, ejaculum, and discarded, crusty tufts of fleece.
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I'm confused...What's the difference between a "hoard" and a "horde"?
Which one vulches?
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Originally posted by XrightyX
I'm confused...What's the difference between a "hoard" and a "horde"?
Which one vulches?
Hoard (n): A hidden fund or supply stored for future use; a cache.
Horde (n): A large group or crowd; a swarm.
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The problem with hordes is that they never collide.
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We, the Rooks, were always accused of being a horde.
Well, we are not a horde, anymore!
I am enjoying flying from the disadvantage. Actually haven't played better than I am right now.
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nopoop, Sax is not correct. The Horde is a figment of a poor sports imagination.
As in everything it's your point of view. You can't win the war without taking the fields. You gotta have firepower to do that. Can you say.....Blitz Krieg.
I will not be lectured as I and the 339th was Rook before being Rook was cool!
D
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Originally posted by ALF
It depends who you ask as yo what a hoard is, but typically the whining starts when a numericly superior force overwhelms the defensive force at/near a base. You see, there is this perception that if only 5 poeple are defending, its rude to attack with 20 planes.....kinda silly I know.
Land grabbing requires overwhelming combat power at a given place and time. That is understandable. If the large force is met with real resistance, many times it just goes someplace else.
However, much as Stang mentioned above... there are many times where you have 30 or more planes attacking a nearly undefended field of (pick a country) while the country that is being attacked has 30 or more planes attacking an undefended field someplace else.
You can look at the map and watch the hordes avoid each other so they can go around taking fields.
I'm not going to say it is "wrong"... folks pay so they can play "their way". I will say it offers a gaming experience I find less than enjoyable.
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Originally posted by dracon
You can't win the war without taking the fields. You gotta have firepower to do that. Can you say.....Blitz Krieg
I enjoy confrontation. Confrontation doesn't figure into your equation, or your fun.
From your point of view you might as well find a 512 arena somewhere with fifty three guys in it and have at it with that blitz Krieg stuff and beat those hangers into oblivion ;)
If you haven't already :D
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You can always tell the path of The Horde because the rooftops and trees are coated with spittle, ejaculum, and discarded, crusty tufts of fleece.
:D
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Originally posted by dracon
The whiners are the "This ain't a Sim", Fly at 1K or less, Turn and burn, fly till ya die nobody's that want to tell every one in the arena how to play the game. They haven't learned to play and let play.
:aok you forgot "pretend the strat doesn't exist, but whine when its destruction affects you personally and claim that defending it is "too boring" - (tweak this, harden that - :lol )
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Originally posted by XrightyX
I'm confused...What's the difference between a "hoard" and a "horde"?
Which one vulches?
Now thats funny ;)
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Originally posted by dracon
nopoop, Sax is not correct. The Horde is a figment of a poor sports imagination.
As in everything it's your point of view. You can't win the war without taking the fields. You gotta have firepower to do that. Can you say.....Blitz Krieg.
I will not be lectured as I and the 339th was Rook before being Rook was cool!
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Why does the war have to be won? I mean really, all that does is make 1/3 of the players in the MA unhappy while thier last few fields get rolled by a numerically superior force.
How is ruining other players fun, fun?
Blowing up sheds is for players who have no idea how to fight.
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Originally posted by nopoop
I enjoy confrontation. Confrontation doesn't figure into your equation, or your fun.
From your point of view you might as well find a 512 arena somewhere with fifty three guys in it and have at it with that blitz Krieg stuff and beat those hangers into oblivion ;)
If you haven't already :D
Ya know poopster, I love ya man. Always will. I asked you to fly with the 339th to see what we did....you didn't. Now there's only 4 left. The rest quit or don't fly.
Confrontation??? LOL slide into an active field, drop all the FH's and the VH in one pass and see how friendly the "natives" are. Now you're low and maybe a bit slow because of a less than perfect pass........What happens next is what I call "The Horde". Every pilot at that field is after yerAss. Yes sir, now there's confrontation.
To All: The Horde is a total fallacy. If it occurred/occurs at all, it's during Rook RJO's where we Mean to take the whole map and a reset. This includes a "strat" takedown of undefended fields.
To beetle.....Thanks an excellent addition!
Dracon
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Originally posted by beet1e
:aok you forgot "pretend the strat doesn't exist, but whine when its destruction affects you personally and claim that defending it is "too boring" - (tweak this, harden that - :lol )
:aok you forgot ... that you don't play anymore ... which strips you of all opinons until you do ... ;)
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When whiners loose a fight they will always blame their loss on someone else.
This means that a pilot 500 feet higher then them and at 1500 feet will be called an altmonkey.
A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.
Pilots who just run for half a mile to get speed up and create separation inorder to re-engage will be called lame fleers.
Just ignore it. It happens in all competetive games because all "randomly" created groups of people do contain whiners. Not much to do about it.
Tex
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Originally posted by Furious
The problem with hordes is that they never collide.
Because if they did !!!! .... ... they would have to ... ff .. fff ... fffight !!!
OH THE HORROR !!!!
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
When whiners loose a fight they will always blame their loss on someone else.
This means that a pilot 500 feet higher then them and at 1500 feet will be called an altmonkey.
A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.
Pilots who just run for half a mile to get speed up and create separation inorder to re-engage will be called lame fleers.
Just ignore it. It happens in all competetive games because all "randomly" created groups of people do contain whiners. Not much to do about it.
Tex
All competetive games create groups of people that over-exagerating just a tad.
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.
Tex
I find multiple con engaugements to be the most challenging and the most fun part of the game. I think others would also if they would only try.
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Most of ya's are wrong.
A Horde is when you have numbers that go something like
Rook-200
Knight-130
Bish- 110
the way its supposed to work in theory
The two smaller countries gang up on the one larger one.
Thus keeping the numbers pretty much in balance.
Problem is it very rarely happens that way
What usually happens is the two larger countries end up ganging on the smaller one in a race for the reset.
Typically the country with the largest amount of numbers throws the bulk of its force against the smaller country which now has to spit its force. In this case Bish 110 between the two larger ones which are often attacking not just one undefended base but several bases defended or not all at once.
The country with the smaller numbers now has to spit their numbers even more to try to defend as many bases as possible against both sides which means there are now even less defenders at each base to defend against the larger forces that are attacking.
What you usually end up with is odds of 3-4 and sometimes 5-1 in favor of the attackers
Now in real life that's just fine. That's what you want to achieve but as keeps getting pointed out this isn't real life, this is a game and is SUPPOSED to be fun for everyone.
5-10 people attacking a base defended or not is not a horde.
In those cases its a matter of if the defending country chooses to defend them or not.
Using 10-20 people to attack several bases at once where by through the sheer numbers difference makes defending these bases all but hopeless is
The defender has two choices. They can either try to defend as many bases as they can at hopeless odds or they can place the majority f their numbers at one or two bases and loose everything around them until the attacker launches everything that was formally attacking the other bases against them which in the end again results into hopeless odds.
Used to be Rooks. Now its Knights. as a Knight I dont particularly like seeing the horde on my side any more then I like seeing it used against me.
That's why I try to find fights that are more evenly balanced or I will try to attack the side that's attacking me.
I have no problem with the land grab. I enjoy it as much as I do the dogfighting.
But the best landgrab fights I've been involved in both offensively and defensively are the ones where both sides have fought desperately over a base until one eventually gets the upper hand.
Not the ones where you send a billion and one people to attack a base or bases where the outcome is certain due to sheer numbers long before they have ever even reached the base they are attacking.
THAT is a Horde
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Originally posted by Nomak
I find multiple con engaugements to be the most challenging and the most fun part of the game. I think others would also if they would only try.
Yes, they can be.
but 4-1 +
Every time you up while still challangeing after a while, no longer is fun. Cept maybe for the 4
But then they arent being challanged much either
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Originally posted by SlapShot
:aok you forgot ... that you don't play anymore ... which strips you of all opinons until you do ... ;)
:lol ...but I haven't forgotten the reasons I don't play any more! :D
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Beet I thought you hated the hordes more than you hated furballers?
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Originally posted by Stang
Beet I thought you hated the hordes more than you hated furballers?
I do hate the hordes! That's why I *liked* the pizza map - there was much less hording on it because the horders couldn't be arsed to fly 6 minutes to the next airfield.
I don't hate the furballers! Mars01 is a furballer, and I love him to pieces. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_206.gif)
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Originally posted by dracon
nopoop, Sax is not correct. The Horde is a figment of a poor sports imagination.
As in everything it's your point of view. You can't win the war without taking the fields.
D
I've never in my life been a poor sport--poor at sports yes , including AH-which I consider a game therefore a sport.
The Horde is real and growing but is a part of AH and as has happened in AH in the past it will change to some other figment.
The only " War " in AH is the continual downward spiral of Sportsmanship within the Game and on the BBS.
Last nite approx. 20 players battled it out at 8k to the deck in groups of 3-4 with no other players jumping in where they weren't needed---except when Leviathon needed a group hug to take him out--lottsa Salutes and friendly Vox and plain old good spotsmanship made for a very enjoyable evening.
In my opinion the map allowed every type of player to enjoy there brand of fun last nite.
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@All of you guys and gals
You know what is interesting.
During my days of gaming Ive found that the best enemies arnt the ones who preach "fair play", actually these are the worst enemies one can have. Because the "failr play" extreamists will whine and yell when ever they see something that is a tad unfair.
This includes tactics that are better then their tactics. "They beat us through doing something we didnt expect and havent seen before, it has to be lame".
Im not saying I like lamers but a its all about give and take.
You have to be on the reciving end of supperior tactics and learn to deal with it as well as beeing on the giving end of them.
Fair play is not about how you fight its about how you respect your opponent. A game cant be 100% ballanced and fights cant be 100% fair all the time and that isnt the point of a game. The point of a game is that EVERYONE who plays it should have fun.
Its not about YOU and YOUR squadie having fun. Its about you, your squadie AND your ENEMY having fun.
If you respect the person on the other side you will eventually learn to take one and give one.
Also you will learn to not give what you cant stand taking.
Example:
You cant stand getting vulched because its furstrating and hugely unfun. Dont do it your self.
IF you dont like reading whinage... dont whine your self.
Its simple. Treat other people like you want them to treat you. But always remember a fight cant be 100% ballanced and 100% fair at all time. Dont stress your self out over it.
Tex
@DREDIOCK
I know very well what a hoard is... but Im not talkin about that.. Im talkin about what you, me and everyone else will hear..
Everyone that doesnt fly alone will get called a hoarder eventually and everyone that doesnt constantly fly lower then his opponenets (all of them) will get called a altmonkey.
I know its wrong... but it will happen..
So its kind of irrelevant what the "true deffiniton" of a hoard is..
What is important is to know what to expect to be called and learning how to deal with it.
Tex
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In case some arn't aware, there is positive talk about IL2 going MMP!
If anyone has the means to pull it off it's Mr. Maddox & CO.
Just a thought
Carry On
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Originally posted by MOIL
In case some arn't aware, there is positive talk about IL2 going MMP!
If anyone has the means to pull it off it's Mr. Maddox & CO.
Just a thought
Carry On
They have an online content now... tho I've never been there. I have been playing around with IL2FB offline. It is very interesting and pretty complex. (if you want to manage everything)
Still don't have a feel for all the nuances of the offline. Pretty immersive with rain and the graphics are outstanding. Also a wide variety of obscure Eastern Front aircraft. Of course my gunnery sucks as badly in there as it did in AH. :lol
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Originally posted by MOIL
In case some arn't aware, there is positive talk about IL2 going MMP!
If anyone has the means to pull it off it's Mr. Maddox & CO.
Just a thought
Carry On
Pacific fighters (IL2's newest offering) offers 128player online dogfight.
Just FYI
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OOPs!!
Sorry sax didn't mean to say you were wrong or a poor sport. Not awake when writing that, Sorry Sir.
I don't agree with stang. The horde is not real....period!! Too much tado about nada. Go fly and have your fun.
D
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Same watermelon different thread.
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Originally posted by Nomak
Pacific fighters (IL2's newest offering) offers 128player online dogfight.
Just FYI
What is the underlying game model in Pacific Fighters?
Fee for All?
Country Based?
Mission Oriented?
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Originally posted by Furious
The problem with hordes is that they never collide.
Oooooooh, but when they DO!!! :D
Sad to say it doesnt happen very often though :(
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A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.
I disagree. Case in point....the other night at furball/gv island in the middle of Ozkansas I was involved in a 5 on 3 (5 enemies). When the fight was over I had killed 4, lost both teammates and the 5th enemy was running from my Hurri like he stole a TV :rofl
That was an awesome fight, no hording that time :D
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The problem with hordes is that they never collide.
Yup, they never do. Tells you something about the nature of those who fly in it.
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Originally posted by 4510
What is the underlying game model in Pacific Fighters?
Fee for All?
Country Based?
Mission Oriented?
It is all 3! It depends on the "Host". Everything is available. Some servers run strict historical others total fantasy.
What UBI soft and Maddox Games did was to produce:
1. IL2 Strumovick, a German vs Russian war.
2. The next addition was Forgotten Battles. This added the European War.
3. Next came the Aces Expansion Pack (AEP) which added a year or so to the war bringing with it the planeset of the time.
4. Pacific Fighters obviously adds the War in the Pacific, again obviously BIG on the CV ops. If you pre-ordered, you already have it! I love it!
It does take a Good "Box" to take full advantage but even my 1.7 Ghz/ATI-9600XT ain't too bad!
It's going to be interesting to see what the 128 person servers brings. Fact: To date, online play can be a bit frustrating at times due to Lag and connect issues. More and more squads are sponsoring 24/7 servers that offer excellent performance. It's definitely join what you want and play what you want.
Plenty to look at and read here: http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/home.php
Regards,
Dracon
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Originally posted by dracon
Ya know poopster, I love ya man. Always will. I asked you to fly with the 339th to see what we did....you didn't. Now there's only 4 left. The rest quit or don't fly.
Dracon
You think maybe they got tired of the boring flying in the horde? Maybe they wanted to actually fight people instead of buildings?
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Originally posted by Elfie
When the fight was over I had killed 4, lost both teammates and the 5th enemy was running from my Hurri like he stole a TV :rofl
That's the crux. That's what closes the circle, explains what for the most part, the prevailing mindset.
Put in a few words it reads like this:
Ba...ba..but YOU MIGHT HAVE DIED !!!!!
Over the last year of this debate what I find utterly facinating is that the pilot making that type of statement usually won't think twice about dying delivering his ordenance on a tool shed. It's a hazard of the war..
..it's for the "greater good", for the team.. :aok
Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.
And with that, I'll go figure..
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Originally posted by DipStick
You think maybe they got tired of the boring flying in the horde? Maybe they wanted to actually fight people instead of buildings?
NO!!!!! Read the GD post! Now, quit being a "dipstick".
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Yup... That's what I figured. :rolleyes:
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a "Horde" is what you call any mission attacking your base when your countrymen are unwilling to assist you and muster a defence. It is the Death whine of a pilot who has been Vulched repeatedely and now sits in the tower gazing out the window at the overwhelming enemy force preparing to capture his field.
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Originally posted by Fauxbra
It is the Death whine of a pilot who has been Vulched repeatedely and now sits in the tower gazing out the window at the overwhelming enemy force preparing to capture his field.
Your missing something here Fauxbra, but I'm at a loss to explain it to you.
To put it another way. An overwhelming force in my view is on BOTH sides of the equation, a loss of what can be had with ones online time.
There's more availible than meets the eye.
If that was all that was availible when I logged on, I'd log off regardless of what "side" I was on.
Look for the edges, the little fights and you'll have the chance to experience what it can be.
Ten minutes in a little corner can dwarf the satisfaction and fun of months "playing" on one side or another of an overwhelming force.
Feel the force young Jedi :D
Step up !!
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The Horde is a place where all human attributes are reduced to the lowest common denominator.............
It just depends how low the lowest common denominator is...........
Dok aludes to how low it could be..........:)
The individual may be an individual when apart from the horde but not when he/she is part of it.............
in essence you define the horde better when you can say........
"this ........... is not of the horde..........."
For instance you may say that an overwhelming force organised into an efficient land grabbing unit with chains of command, clearly identified objectives and methodolgy, yet able to operate to some sort of high code of conduct............ is not of the horde.
Of course in order to say such a thing.........it would have to exist.
That a "side" could actually organise its self so is ridiculous, isn't it?
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Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.
My sentiments exactly :)
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Well, Nopoop. We've seen eachother around sims for quite a few years now. And different things appeal to different people. But this habit of the furball guys of proclaiming what they think is best about the game whilst making subtle (or not so subtle) gibes at other players' game styles has begun to pall.
Originally posted by nopoop
Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.
But you spend more time modelling than flying, right? Fair enough, if that's what you enjoy. So I will paraphrase you by saying (with certain spelling and syntax corrections ;) ) that out of all the burned in memories of unforgettable experiences over six years of (virtual) flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE is related to admiring the polished belly of a ki84, the paint job of an LA7, or the canopy of a P47. :p
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I draw the distinction as to whether or not a pilot is a horde pilot on the circumstances on which he took off. The "horde" pilots are the ones that look at the map for a sector in which their country has a clear advantage, and go there. They arn't needed, as their country already has the advantage, and they won't get many kills, because the enemy isn't that interested after having already lost. These guys quickly turn into large groups roaming around trying to chase down the first plane they see. They'll all dive on a single con and don't seem to mind that they are only one of twenty guys chasing the poor sap. While they probably have a half decent K/D, on account of always having the advantage, their K/time is freakin terrible. My dislike of these guys is based around the fact that I'm usually up there fighting when odds are bad. As soon as I start doing well and getting enough kills to change the dar bar in our favor, 20 guys take off from the nearest field. Thus, after the initial sortie, I'm probably not going to get many kills.
-pellik
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pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.
But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.
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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.
But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.
I meant that as the k/h is more of a trend then a quantifier. The low k/h is the problem with this style of flying, but this information isn't really useful as a diagnostic tool for any particular pilot reguarding horde flying. There are just too many other factors that affect k/h.
-pellik
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Out of all the burned in memories of unforgetable experiences over six years of flying that encompass thousands of hours, NONE are related to taking a base, winning the war or blowing up a tool shed.
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Originally posted by Elfie
My sentiments exactly :)
By contrast.
Just about ALL of mine are.
Furballing can be fun for sure.
But I find most furballs are only as memorable as the last furball.
Soon as I get past the next one I couldnt tell ya much about what happened in the furball before last.
On the other hand I could tell ya about all sorts of fights I've been in that were related directly or indirectly to base taking, holding, Winning the war and/or blowing up toolsheds.
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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.
But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.
I find thats what happens to me on just about all the maps.
I think you would have to include K/d in that list of things that isnt a good yardstick of anything.
If you spend alot of time going up against superiour numbers, odds are your KD isnt goiing to be very good either.
Actually hardly any of the stats really mean a whole lot I've found other then perhaps any plane V plane stats which just looking at my own are a pretty good indicator as to which planes you fly well against and which planes you have problems with.
But even there alot has to do with the types of planes you mostly encounter also
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Originally posted by beet1e
pellik, I agree with much of what you said. I can remember flying on pizza, and fighting back the enemy advance. As soon as they were pushed back to their own base, that's when the green horde showed up, and when I left to go to another part of the map. Same thing happened on the same map a few months ago. I'm sure it happens a lot.
But I don't agree that k/h is a yardstick of anything, apart from how busy you are.
Thing that bothered me most was the hordes avoiding each other.
When one end of my country is getting steamrolled and 80% of the flyers in my country are all in two sectors on the otherside of the map... trying to take strategically worthless... undefended bases.
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Beets Back Load up the Guns!!!!!! LOL, glad to see you made it back ok Beet. When is your strike going to end?
Bingo! - Stang, Sax and Nopoop.
Also couldn't agree more with I have no problem with the land grab. I enjoy it as much as I do the dogfighting.
But the best landgrab fights I've been involved in both offensively and defensively are the ones where both sides have fought desperately over a base until one eventually gets the upper hand.
Not the ones where you send a billion and one people to attack a base or bases where the outcome is certain due to sheer numbers long before they have ever even reached the base they are attacking.
and this...
Thing that bothered me most was the hordes avoiding each other.
When one end of my country is getting steamrolled and 80% of the flyers in my country are all in two sectors on the otherside of the map... trying to take strategically worthless... undefended bases.
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Originally posted by sax
Last nite approx. 20 players battled it out at 8k to the deck in groups of 3-4 with no other players jumping in where they weren't needed---except when Leviathon needed a group hug to take him out--lottsa Salutes and friendly Vox and plain old good spotsmanship made for a very enjoyable evening.
Gangbangers! Horde warriors!
Fun fights the other night, Sax. It seemed everyone wanted a piece of my hide, and for the most part everyone got a part of it. Good times!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Drediock - yes, I'm sure the hordes exist on all the maps; the pizza map was unique in spreading things out a little, so that if you killed someone, at least you knew he wasn't going to be back in your face 2 minutes later in an LA7 with a full clip.
I think you and I derive satisfaction from the same types of gameplay. I agreed with this...Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I have no problem with the land grab. I enjoy it as much as I do the dogfighting.
But the best landgrab fights I've been involved in both offensively and defensively are the ones where both sides have fought desperately over a base until one eventually gets the upper hand.
Not the ones where you send a billion and one people to attack a base or bases where the outcome is certain due to sheer numbers long before they have ever even reached the base they are attacking.
THAT is a Horde
But wait... I wasn't the first to agree with you. Mars01 got there first... which means that - OMG - I'm in full agreement with Mars01! :eek:
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For the roughly 30+- persons who fly the CT, the action more of the time is what many of the posters in this thread are wishing for in the MA. Admitted it is a big furball, but a furball of excellent sticks who want the flow and flavor of the ingagment to last for awhile.
By choice, except when MA players show up in numbers, we tend to keep the vulching, hoarding and other bad habits to a minimum. Most week nights between 6-9pm PST you can find a good ongoing fight of mostly even sides. Shane flys there alot and he tones down his channel 1 taunting. Must say something for the quality of the CT.:)
I know its not strat busting, land grabbing, big numbers. But it's a change that can challenge your ACM, and SA. :D
And yes I was just voted the worst stick of the CT for all time........so go ask Arlo if anything I'm talking about has merit.:aok