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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TweetyBird on October 23, 2004, 09:19:01 PM
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Grade school history teaches the United States was founded for reasons of religious freedom. College history gets a little more into the business reasons which are far less benevolent.
So do you think the United States should strive to be a humanistic goverment or a religious government?
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How about we strive for as little government as possible?
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Gets It.
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It's religion. Everything takes a back seat to beliefs and religion. You have to remember that College Professors refuse to believe in religion (most). Therefor, you don't believe in religion.
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Unfortunately, there are schools in America that won't allow silent prayer, but force the students to act out Islam in dress and actions (to become more sensitive).
Check out this month's Readers Digest. I wanted to vomit.
The separation of church and state has been grossly overplayed. Read the Constitution...There was no attempt to eliminate God.....merely to preclude state sponsored religion (ie, picking the one for us all).
I am not a bible thumper, but I do believe silent prayer infringes no one else's rights.
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A who in the world can prevent YOU from silently praying or even meditating on religious topics? What you are really saying is you're upset that the goverment doesn't set a time period for you to pray.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
A who in the world can prevent YOU from silently praying or even meditating on religious topics? What you are really saying is you're upset that the goverment doesn't set a time period for you to pray.
I think he's mearly saying that schools are so afraid of getting sued by the ACLU because it costs them money that they won't even allow kids to have voluntary prayer groups on school property outside the classroom (IE before or after school)
Even possessing a bible in your backpack in some schools is a violation.
The fact that pre-shools want to have "oval hunts" instead of "easter egg hunts" because they fear the religious backrounds that go with the name.
To stay more on topic we should be a nation that embrases religion not supresses it.
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>>Even possessing a bible in your backpack in some schools is a violation.
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I think the ACLU would represent anyone expelled for such a reason. Expelling someone for a such a thing, is unquestionably a violation of the Bill of Rights.
Edit - er 1st amendment
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
"oval hunts"
fo real?
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Originally posted by Nash
fo real?
YUP....we can't be indocterining our children with that birth of christ mumbojumbo! Easter Egg implys that. I guess those kids don't get "easter baskets" either....a shame if you ask me.
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Isn't Easter combination of a Chrisitan and Jewish holiday? I mean its directly related to Passover right? I dunno - but I thought thats why its date changes every year. Can anyone clarify?
Edit - I looked it up and it is related to Passover and also pagan celebrations of rebirth. With multi religious meanings, I don't see how the term Easter could be a problem, the same way the term "God" can not be a problem.
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passover is the celebration of the freed jewish slaves in egypt. The whole place blood on the door and the angle of death will "pass over" your house. after this pharow let the jews go. IIRC
but I do think they're somhow related. I went to services on easter sunday and they worked the door thing into the serman. Wow.....I'm stumped now.
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OK passover was being celebrating the week before Jesus was crucified. Now that I think of it they were celebrating it when he arrived in jaruselum
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Isn't Easter combination of a Chrisitan and Jewish holiday? I mean its directly related to Passover right? I dunno - but I thought thats why its date changes every year. Can anyone clarify?
TweetyBird,
Passover is always at the full moon. Easter is the Sunday after the first full moon of spring, that is why the date changes every year.
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Yea memory is getting a little better, the last supper fell on Passover - hence the feast (I THINK!). But I see its also a celebration of spring in pagan religions.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Yea memory is getting a little better, the last supper fell on Passover - hence the feast (I THINK!). But I see its also a celebration of spring in pagan religions.
here's where I looked it up at
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/movablefeasts1.html
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good link. I think its safe to say its multi denomonational, so I find objection to the word "Easter" ludicrous :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
but I do think they're somhow related. I went to services on easter sunday and they worked the door thing into the serman. Wow.....I'm stumped now.
Gunslinger,
The blood of the Passover lamb covered and protected God's children from death, just as the crucified Lamb's blood covers and protects His adopted children from eternal death.
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Originally posted by Heiliger
Gunslinger,
The blood of the Passover lamb covered and protected God's children from death, just as the crucified Lamb's blood covers and protects His adopted children from eternal death.
THANKS that's the link/releationship I was trying to remember.
The service I went to had a AWSOME paster. He gave a great serman with some music in the backround. While he spoke a couple of highschool students put up the big tarp behind him and painted a great scene with a cross and the light and such. At the end of the serman they put red paint at the top and on the sides. he then ended the serman with
Exodus 12:23 - For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
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Gunslinger, this is just an attempt to say what I believe in the context of religion, because I suspect it will get ugly regarding the separation of church and state.
Recently, when a forum member was going through a horrible situation, the whole forum almost stopped to pray for this person.
I don't *know* the prayers aided a happy result, but I have faith they were a part of the happy result. In other words, I think God had already set the course and it was a learning experience for all the followed the events. I think that was the plan. I have faith that was the plan, but I sure as heck don't know - if I knew, (as some religious leaders claim to), I wouldn't need faith. But I tell you sincerely, that event, though I knew none of those involved, enhanced my faith. And I think it enhanced others faith as well.
Was that His plan - I dunno, but I have faith it was.
God will get through. He doesn't need a wrecking crew to help Him.
Just so you know my arguments about religion and goverment are not about attacking religion or faith. I'm serious, its not.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
God will get through. He doesn't need a wrecking crew to help Him.
Nicely put.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Gunslinger, this is just an attempt to say what I believe in the context of religion, because I suspect it will get ugly regarding the separation of church and state.
Recently, when a forum member was going through a horrible situation, the whole forum almost stopped to pray for this person.
I don't *know* the prayers aided a happy result, but I have faith they were a part of the happy result. In other words, I think God had already set the course and it was a learning experience for all the followed the events. I think that was the plan. I have faith that was the plan, but I sure as heck don't know - if I knew, (as some religious leaders claim to), I wouldn't need faith. But I tell you sincerely, that event, though I knew none of those involved, enhanced my faith. And I think it enhanced others faith as well.
Was that His plan - I dunno, but I have faith it was.
God will get through. He doesn't need a wrecking crew to help Him.
Just so you know my arguments about religion and goverment are not about attacking religion or faith. I'm serious, its not.
well said And just so you know I don't take my ideolicical marching orders/talking points from the likes of jerry f. and pat robertson.