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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on October 25, 2004, 12:31:19 AM
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http://www.bushrelativesforkerry.com/pages/1/index.htm
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"Sisters Tracy Cannon (left) and Hilary House at the March for Women's Lives in Washington, D.C. in April 2004."
I stopped reading after this. When will these women be honest and call their movement "Pro Abortion" or something honest to that effect? For many of these women there is no other issue and there's no doubt that if they want to kill their own children then Kerry is their man.
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Originally posted by AKIron
"Sisters Tracy Cannon (left) and Hilary House at the March for Women's Lives in Washington, D.C. in April 2004."
I stopped reading after this. When will these women be honest and call their movement "Pro Abortion" or something honest to that effect? For many of these women there is no other issue and there's no doubt that if they want to kill their own children then Kerry is their man.
I believe abortion is the law of the land. How can you fault someone for exercising their rights under the law?
There are nine members of the supreme court. Exactly two of them were nominated by democrats - the rest by republicans. If you're going to whine about the law of the land, why not lay your complaints at the proper feet?
curly
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Im voting for Nader.
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Using their family ties to Bush to further their agendas. One word. Lowlifes.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I believe abortion is the law of the land. How can you fault someone for exercising their rights under the law?...curly
speaks volumes about today's society .. and our next generation(s) .. pity them..
"the "law" says it's ok to flush/suck our baby away, so it must be ok"
sad
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Wow...interesting story...
It's a personal choice. A freedom that living in this country gives women to do. It's always a touchy issue...I have my own beliefs about the situation because I have had to deal with the effects of it. It's not fun by any means.
My theory is, if you do it just because you don't "want" the child, then you're a sick, twisted lowlife excuse for a human being who is too scared to deal with the consequence of your life choice. If you do it because there is a chance that you and the child could die, or because you got pregnant from rape, then that should be what's defined as "legal."
You can't base morality on mortality. If I was told that I could either risk having a baby and having us both die from the result...what would you think I'd do? Pray and hope for the best? If your wife or girlfriend was told that going through the full term would prove fatal to her....how would you take it?
Morallity stops at mortality. Getting on the soapbox does nothing when you haven't experienced it. I respect everyone's opinion here...y'all are right in your own regards and I will get nowhere trying to change your opinion. Know that I don't think less of anyone here. I've dealt with this situation...it's not pretty...it is a terriblw thing to have to do. It's a very hard choice. I don't see it as something that you can just arbitrarily decide to do. People that do that shouldn't be allowed to walk this planet.
That's just how I feel. Not all women "want" to have their baby's life taken away...and assuming that all Pro-Choice people want that is silly.
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I've never met anyone that said they were "Pro-life" who actually was pro-life.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I've never met anyone that said they were "Pro-life" who actually was pro-life.
-SW
Amen..
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I believe abortion is the law of the land. How can you fault someone for exercising their rights under the law?
There are nine members of the supreme court. Exactly two of them were nominated by democrats - the rest by republicans. If you're going to whine about the law of the land, why not lay your complaints at the proper feet?
curly
as has been pointed out to me many times....Slavery was once law of the land. That didn't make it right.
And before you write me off as a Neocon Idealog.....religious values aside I think this is a morality issue in that abortion is morrally wrong.
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Using their family ties to Bush to further their agendas. One word. Lowlifes.
Isn't that how Bush got in office in the first place?
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Originally posted by parker00
Isn't that how Bush got in office in the first place?
not to mention electoral frauds that would make any banana republic proud !
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Whining? I was only dismissing those based on their dishonest agenda. Their vote counts no more or less than mine and I couldn't care less who they cast it for.
Abortion on demand as birth control is the "law of the land" and is the central and only issue for many women in this country. They are deathly afraid that Bush will appoint "pro life" justices to the Supreme Court who might overturn Roe vs Wade.
This may seem contradictory to you but to be honest, I personally don't care if some women (I'd care if it were my wife or daughters)kill thier unborn children. I do feel that it is morally wrong however and therefore obligated to act to prevent it. As it is now, I feel my responsibilty is fulfilled by acting within the law.
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Originally posted by Spooky
not to mention electoral frauds that would make any banana republic proud !
Indeed. Yet even in spite of the Democrats shenanigans justice prevailed and the established system was not overthrown.
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Good thing this election is going to be different.
We don't even have to vote cause Kerry has already claimed victory!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Good thing this election is going to be different.
We don't even have to vote cause Kerry has already claimed victory!:rolleyes:
Maybe that's what their guidebook means by "preemptive".
Was it all just a dream? ;)
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I believe abortion is the law of the land. How can you fault someone for exercising their rights under the law?
curly
the law of the land once said you could own slaves.
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If men carried babies for 9 months abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Of course it would be legal.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If men carried babies for 9 months abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Of course it would be legal.
You're implying that all women support abortion, they don't.
Favoring Abortion: Men Versus Women
Situation Men Women
All or Most Cases 54% 58
To Save Woman's Life 88 88
To Save Woman's Health 82 83
In Cases of Rape/Incest 80 81
Physically Impaired Baby 53 55
To End Unwanted Pregnancy 43 40
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions 28 19
Pregnancy is 6 Months+ 15 8
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/abortion_poll030122.html
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Nope, I'm implying that it would have always been legal because men made the rules.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nope, I'm implying that it would have always been legal because men made the rules.
Well, if men carried the babies they would be women and the numbers I posted would remain the same.
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Party pooper.
What? No imagination?
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That's an interesting way to look at it...
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Well, if men remained the same other than carrying their progeny this would all be moot as humans would have ceased to exist long ago. Not because none would be willing to carry their own child but rather because the ability to have sex with yourself would have resulted in such over population that we would have all starved to death. ;)
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And now it all makes sense! :D:D
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I want to know where the constitution provides for the killing of the unborn?
I challenge anyone to find where this is provided for in the consitution. When you find it and show it to me I will immediately revoke my hatred for all things liberal and vote for Kerry.
Bottom line is you will not be able to show me this. What you will say is the supreme court interpreted the protection of a persons privacy as the basis for lawful infanticide.
Kerry must not be given the opportunity to appoint anyone to the supreme court.
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>>I want to know where the constitution provides for the killing of the unborn?
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What if the unborn is outside the uterus and not viable? Is there a right to kill it? Of course it will never make it to term, buts its alive when the pregnancy is terminated. What gives the doctor the right to terminate one life for another? Or do you think women with ectopic pregnancies should die? If not, should they be able to donate those fetuses to stem cell research?
A lot of politicians spouting off about medicine know little about either.
You brought up the subject, Yeager, now elaborate further than Archie Bunker type farting.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>I want to know where the constitution provides for the killing of the unborn?
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What if the unborn is outside the uterus and not viable? Is there a right to kill it? Of course it will never make it to term, buts its alive when the pregnancy is terminated. What gives the doctor the right to terminate one life for another? Or do you think women with ectopic pregnancies should die? If not, should they be able to donate those fetuses to stem cell research?
A lot of politicians spouting off about medicine know little about either.
You brought up the subject, Yeager, now elaborate further than Archie Bunker type farting.
Yeager will do his own elaborating but I'd like to ask you how this unborn and unviable child got outside of the uterus?
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You need to consult some medical web pages - start with searching "ectopic pregnancy"
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
You need to consult some medical web pages - start with searching "ectopic pregnancy"
Guess I don't need to since you've pointed it out. I'm not familiar with the term but am the condition. Anyhow, just to make my position clear, my objection to abortion is as performed as birth control.
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Abortion was down under Clinton and up under Bush.
If you are truely against abortion I guess you will have to vote Democrat.
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damn tweety sweet! you learned from the best of em now tell me where the constitution provides for abortion?
As far as terminating one life that is killing to save another I think it is called self defense. Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.
You cant.
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The Constitution was not written to establish medical protocol. It doesn't provide for any medical procedure. I guess that doesn't seem as obvious to you as it does me, but your colonoscopy is not provided for in the Constitution.
The Constitution isnt JAMA - two different things.
Let me make this more clear, the Constitution is not a medical document.
And in case you're still missing it, doctors didn't write the Constitution.
Your question about where the Constitution provides for abortion is bizarre. Why would it provide for medical treatment? Thats between a competent doctor and a patient.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.
Right under the line where you are guaranteed the right to own a machine gun.
curly
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Originally posted by Yeager
Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.
You cant.
the constitution is made to control the government, not for the government to control the people.
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Originally posted by vorticon
the constitution is made to control the government, not for the government to control the people.
Bingo.
It's a way to stop the government from making laws that will deny us the freedoms we enjoy. It's not a document that says we as Americans can do what we want...it is a documrnt that forbids the government from taking away our freedoms.
There isn't an Amendment or an Article in the Constitution that says abortion is legal or not. To me, abortion falls under the catagory of basic human liberties. You are free to do whatever you want to yourself because you are not causing physical harm to another. Now, I know a lot of you are saying, "But life starts at birth! You can't do that because you would be killing a life!" Well, morally, you're right. Medically, you're not.
A fetus is a virus. It feeds off a host body by utilizing the host's blood and energy to survive. If you remove a fetus from the mother and try to let it live on its own, it will die because it cannot maintain life on its own. It requires the mother to carry it until it is able to sustain life without her. In my mind, until a baby is born, it is not a "life," it is a virus.
That being said, this issue itself hits WAY too close to home for me. I had to deal with this first hand. I was given a choice...I could have let my child attempt to go full term with a serious risk of both it and my girl's life being snuffed just prior., or I could have let them go through with the abortion and saved her life. Does anyone here know how hard that choice is? Anyone at all? I know some of you do...I've read about it and I am sorry.
You're not going to convince me that abortion is moraly wrong...morallity stops at mortality. I pay little mind to morals when my life of the lives or my family and friends are in danger.
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Well written texace and vorticon.. 8)
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While the Constitution may not explicitly guarantee "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" these were most certainly considered basic "rights" by our country's founders. Obviously there is much disagreement as to when "life" begins but everyone started life the same way. I ask everyone that supports a woman's right to abortion this question, you were there, when did your life begin?
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US Constitutional rights are extended to US citizens. A fetus isn't a citizen, neither is a zygote or a sperm for that matter.
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No more masturbation! Stop the useless wasting of sperm!
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I don't remember when my life began.
Probably when my memory started working.
-SW
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Originally posted by Thrawn
US Constitutional rights are extended to US citizens.
If you think US Rights only apply to citizens....ask the lawyers helping free Gutmo detainees so they can join up with the cause once again.
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I get the impression that a few people on this board honestly believe that there are people out there that "want" to have an abortion...
Ok, there's always a few nutjobs, but c'mon! No one wants to have an abortion! Sometimes they just have to have one...
I'd like to pose a tough question to the big bad ultra conservatives: Whom, if any of you, are signed up on an "adoption rather than abortion" list? Who out there, who talks so mightily, has adopted a kid/made clear to the authorities that they are available to? I'm sure some of you must have, but I'm equally sure not everyone has. I certainly have not.
Because I'm sorry, but asking, say, a 13year old girl with a parent in jail whose living off her grandmother's social security to have the kid is pretty damn messed up if you aren't willing to help swing the bills...
Also, it has been noted that the right to have an abortion is not in the Constitution. That is true. However, in this country we have something called seperation of church and state (gasp!). Now, to be fair, I have not seen a post on this board that mentioned anything about religion when going against abortion. But I have seen many a newsreel of anti-abortion rallies/protests. You know what sign pops up in every single one? "Abortion is a Sin". Well, as a Catholic, I'd agree.
Of course, waving that sign around in America will not change the law. People that make such signs, are, well, idiots. If they'd really like to save the "life", perhaps they should make signs that say "Change your Mind, I'll help you with the finances/nurturing/educational/clothing/housing/feeding needs of the child."..... :rolleyes: Yeah.... I'm not seeing those signs waved around too often. If you have constructed one, please accept my sincere thanks and admiration.
Bottom line is, abortion's not a pretty thing. It's not a good thing. It's not a happy thing. It's not something any slightly well-balanced individual will ever want to go through. But, unfortunately, it can be a necessity, at times for reasons other than mortality. And until our society as a whole changes, a woman's right to have an abortion in a reasonable time-frame needs to remain on the books. Sometimes it's for the best...
Ok, I've said my piece: Destroy me :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If you think US Rights only apply to citizens....ask the lawyers helping free Gutmo detainees so they can join up with the cause once again.
This has nothing to due with rights garaunteed by the US Constitution, but rights garaunteed under interational treaty, specifically the Geneva Conventions.
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>>Ok, I've said my piece: Destroy me
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See you don't understand the Republican label. All people having abortions are minorities or women in interacial relationships who can't keep their legs closed. We'll thats what they'd have you believe.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>Ok, I've said my piece: Destroy me
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See you don't understand the Republican label. All people having abortions are minorities or women in interacial relationships who can't keep their legs closed. We'll thats what they'd have you believe.
Good one :lol