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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Zippatuh on October 26, 2004, 12:53:19 PM
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Ok, so all I get to hear about these days on the radio and such is the number of Kerry/Edwards signs that have been disappearing around the city. I found that kind of childish and started paying closer attention to the signs in the neighborhood.
I saw that, in my neighborhood at least, this wasn’t happening. Until my Bush/Cheney sign suddenly disappeared. I took a drive around and did a mental note on the sign locations. Yup, all the Kerry ones still in place; however, there was another missing Bush sign. Then a day or so later, another, then another, slowly it appears that someone is going through the area and pulling out the Bush signs. When talking to the lady at the Republican Election Headquarters for Jackson County they had no additional yard signs as it seems a lot of them are being taken.
This is so ignorant as to think that taking a sign will help get your candidate elected. This inspired me to come up with a solution.
I have 5 poster signs, a few for backup, ready for construction. I’m placing double edged razor blades at key points where someone would grab the sign. I have them well placed and somewhat “hidden”. Paying close attention and you’ll see them with no problems. Doing a drive by and yanking it in the middle of the night though; well, that might cause a bit of skin to break open.
Nothing like a few stitches and a good scar to help remind someone of their stupidity in the future!
Oh and for those of you going to post about the liability, I’ll work that out when the handsomehunk who tried to take it in the first place tries to explain the situation and how their fingers came to be close enough to get shredded.
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So, he gets charged with theft, and you get charged with assault. That sounds like a good trade-off.
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That's a great idea. You should tell Rip so he can tell his friend who is on the board of directors for something or other. That'll stop those damn sign stealers.
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Originally posted by SOB
So, he gets charged with theft, and you get charged with assault. That sounds like a good trade-off.
I doubt that there will be any theft, chances are the sign will still be there, possibly a little bloddy, but there. As for the assault charge, I don’t think so:
From nolo.com
assault
A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. Compare battery.
See Topic: Criminal Law
I’m not attacking anyone nor is there an immediate threat; I’m only placing razors on an object inside my property line that happens to be owned by, me.
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Why do people put those signs up in their yards anyway?
I know, because they might forget who the fuxx they support. Retards.
-SW
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Your intent is to cause harm to another citizen when there is no threat of harm to yourself. Assault may be the wrong charge, but to think you're within the bounds of the law is just foolish. You'll just have to hope that either the idiot doesn't return to mess with your sign, or if he does, he doesn't make a fuss.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I’m not attacking anyone nor is there an immediate threat; I’m only placing razors on an object inside my property line that happens to be owned by, me.
A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production of toxic fumes or gases.
If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.
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Edit: Sorry, forgot my sources.
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=87&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
http://www.uslegalforms.com/lawdigest/legal-definitions.php/US/US-BOOBY_TRAPS.htm
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wow
I have a Bush sign - a fancy plastic one I purchased off the internet
I would let the loser steal it before I caused him intentional harm
I would think your solution would cause more problems ... too many nutbags in the world, stealing yard signs already indicates the guy ain't playing with a full deck
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production of toxic fumes or gases.
If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.
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Edit: Sorry, forgot my sources.
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=87&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
http://www.uslegalforms.com/lawdigest/legal-definitions.php/US/US-BOOBY_TRAPS.htm
What if the booby trap turns out to be a transvestite? :eek:
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Yep, mantraps are illegal. Nice to know Bush supporters don't think things thru any more thorough than Bush himself.:aok
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Heh, its not just Bush/Kerry signs, here they've had people doing it in the local mayors race. Everything from stealing them to painting them and even buring them. I think it's hilarious.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yep, mantraps are illegal. Nice to know Bush supporters don't think things thru any more thorough than Bush himself.:aok
Yeah, because theft is cool. :aok
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Originally posted by Martlet
Yeah, because theft is cool. :aok
No, because maiming people is cool?:confused:
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Originally posted by rpm
No, because maiming people is cool?:confused:
Protecting your property, that's cool.
It would be easy to avoid getting maimed. Don't steal private property.
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Yeah but you Kerry supporters would have to run to another state(even though the other state helped steal the signs) to see if they would post a letter saying how wrong it was to steal the sign and if that didn't work they would threaten to send another letter and KEEP sending letters till the person stopped stealing the signs or the election was over.
Then they would claim that even though they lost all those signs AND the election it was still better to go to another state for help instead of taking action on their own.
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Zipp, better idea: Instead of razor blades how about coating the edges of the sign in that blue paint that takes about a month of constant washing to remove?
Mildly more amusing and you won't get arrested.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
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I hope you're either joking or don't have a family. Your family won't like it when they lose their house because you had to prove a retarded point.
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Just put up a motion detection light and have a facimily of a video recording device if not a real one. If all else fails just make yourself wake up when the light comes on and walk outside with a shotgun. In most cases the use of deadly force to deter theft is justified after dark. Just check with your local authorities first for the word for word justification. :)
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Sign stealing is and has been common for years. I always do the same thing when a sign gets stolen from my yard, I put up two more for every one stolen...I have four sings in my yard now and more in reserve.
IMO, I get more satisfaction doing this than if I were to go neanderthal on these kind of criminals.
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My mom worked for the RNC as a volunteer in the 60's. I can remember one morning in '68 when she was FUMING mad! All her Nixon signs had been replaced with McCarthy signs in our front lawn. Turned out it was a good friend of my father's who did the deed. He turned himself in to my mother. Everyone got a good laugh, except the kids cause we didn't give a hoot who was pres.
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Excellent idea Swoop. Eagler has the correct position as well. Martlet, you are over the top as usual. Why not use Claymores around your perimiter to prevent trespassers?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SOB
So, he gets charged with theft, and you get charged with assault. That sounds like a good trade-off.
I doubt it would be assult, its very similar to people who sink steel rods into concrete and then attach their mail box too it. Some kid comes by and tries to hit it with a bat and blamo, bat shatters and does a number on the kids hand.
I remember I was out having fun with some friends once, we decided to grab a for sale sign and move it down a few houses. Well I jump out of the car and went to the grab the sign as I was running. The plan was too just pull it out as I went by it so I didnt have to stop. Well this bad boy was sunk into the ground and was not going anywhere, next thing I know im laying on my back and I thought I had pulled my arms out of the sockets. haha good times, I give kudos too the people who put that one in the ground.
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ROTFLOL! Just got this from a friend:
BTW, my Bush sign was stolen Saturday night by some liberal scum of the earth. I am getting a new one tomorrow. I plan to surround it with piles of presents from my two 135 pound Malamutes so that there is no way some SOB can get to it without stepping in my dogs little presents. I can't wait till they steal this one and get half way down the road in their car before they smell the sweetness from my little puppies.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
I doubt it would be assult, its very similar to people who sink steel rods into concrete and then attach their mail box too it. Some kid comes by and tries to hit it with a bat and blamo, bat shatters and does a number on the kids hand.
I remember I was out having fun with some friends once, we decided to grab a for sale sign and move it down a few houses. Well I jump out of the car and went to the grab the sign as I was running. The plan was too just pull it out as I went by it so I didnt have to stop. Well this bad boy was sunk into the ground and was not going anywhere, next thing I know im laying on my back and I thought I had pulled my arms out of the sockets. haha good times, I give kudos too the people who put that one in the ground.
Even better to prevent the mailbox baseballers.....
Take a very large mailbox and a small mailbox and a bag of Quikrete concrete. Remove the door from the small mailbox and put it inside the large one and leave a gap all the way around to fill up with the concrete. You dont have to leave the gap all the way around......just the sides and top. Let dry and place on post on your street. Sit back and watch the kids try to beat that one up. Its like hitting a brick wall with an aluminum bat in the winter time when you dont have a good grip on the handle. :)
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I have 5 poster signs, a few for backup, ready for construction. I’m placing double edged razor blades at key points where someone would grab the sign. I have them well placed and somewhat “hidden”. Paying close attention and you’ll see them with no problems. Doing a drive by and yanking it in the middle of the night though; well, that might cause a bit of skin to break open. "
why not just put em in your windows? or better yet, anchor the sign to a nearby tree.
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Originally posted by rpm
Excellent idea Swoop. Eagler has the correct position as well. Martlet, you are over the top as usual. Why not use Claymores around your perimiter to prevent trespassers?:rolleyes:
Cause it's only trespassing if they aren't welcome. I don't care if people come on my land.
It's good to see you're still condoning criminal behavior, though.
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Political signs make baby jebus cry.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Political signs make baby jebus cry.
-SW
baby jebus??
:confused:
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
baby jebus??
:confused:
:rofl :rofl
Aunt Gemima's kid.
He hates politics.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
ROTFLOL! Just got this from a friend:
Oh Rip.... not again!?
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Originally posted by Swoop
Zipp, better idea: Instead of razor blades how about coating the edges of the sign in that blue paint that takes about a month of constant washing to remove?
Mildly more amusing and you won't get arrested.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Good idea Swoop; but where do I get the paint and what’s it called, any ideas?
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The other day I was cruising around Kansas City and when I stopped to vandalize a Bush-Cheney sign I got my fingers all cut up cause some dork taped razor blades to the edges of the sign.
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i like it razor blades!!!
HAHAH YOU WHINNY LITTLE potatoS
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Originally posted by Martlet
It's good to see you're still condoning criminal behavior, though.
Where in your warped little mind did I condone criminal behavior? I was berating yours.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Ok, so all I get to hear about these days on the radio and such is the number of Kerry/Edwards signs that have been disappearing around the city. I found that kind of childish and started paying closer attention to the signs in the neighborhood.
I saw that, in my neighborhood at least, this wasn’t happening. Until my Bush/Cheney sign suddenly disappeared. I took a drive around and did a mental note on the sign locations. Yup, all the Kerry ones still in place; however, there was another missing Bush sign. Then a day or so later, another, then another, slowly it appears that someone is going through the area and pulling out the Bush signs. When talking to the lady at the Republican Election Headquarters for Jackson County they had no additional yard signs as it seems a lot of them are being taken.
This is so ignorant as to think that taking a sign will help get your candidate elected. This inspired me to come up with a solution.
I have 5 poster signs, a few for backup, ready for construction. I’m placing double edged razor blades at key points where someone would grab the sign. I have them well placed and somewhat “hidden”. Paying close attention and you’ll see them with no problems. Doing a drive by and yanking it in the middle of the night though; well, that might cause a bit of skin to break open.
Nothing like a few stitches and a good scar to help remind someone of their stupidity in the future!
Oh and for those of you going to post about the liability, I’ll work that out when the handsomehunk who tried to take it in the first place tries to explain the situation and how their fingers came to be close enough to get shredded.
Just out of curiousity, are you ready to get sued? This is modern day America, after all. You're making an assumption that it is the "adults" only that are taking signs. What if it happens to be an 8 year old kid pulling a prank? The kid shouldn't, I know, but kids do stupid things, too.
Are you ready to stand before a judge to explain your booby-trap?
What about to the parents of the kid that needs to go to the hospital to get some stitches, a tetanus shot, or worse, reattachment surgery? If that sugery didn't take, amputation?
At that point, I'd think it would have sunk in that what you did wasn't too bright.
Or is your sign THAT valuable? BTW, I couldn't care less if it was a Kerry/Edwards sign instead.
...and no, I'm not endorsing the sign stealing by stupid adults.
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Jeez. i just rig C4 to my sign to go when it's pulled out. Maybe I should be more subtle.
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Everyone here is so sure that I’m going to get arrested. I don’t think I will. Whoever ends up with bloody hands I’m not all that sure will head to the law.
I think “why were your hands on the sign in the first place” would be a good question.
I know that there will be some liability attached but like I said, I don’t think it will end up with the law. So he/she wants to make a fuss? Bring it, most of the Kerry supporters that I’ve met can be beaten down by a 10 year old girl. Hell most can’t even make a decent verbal argument for the guy other than “I hate Bush”. Wow, informed decision.
As for not thinking things through; I’ve done a very good job at deciding where and how to mount the blades. They’re not just placed anywhere but in the best locations for their possible use. They could get lucky, but with my design, I doubt it, unless a lot of care is taken.
Since the signs I have are not actual yard signs I’m placing it on a steel “for rent” sign. I have to use a sledge to drive the legs into the ground. That in it self should be pretty good but I think the resistance factor will cause more damage when pulled on in the wrong places. I’ll also have to tape the sign to the “for rent” placard. I have the right tape so it doesn’t look tacky with the blades at just the right points for someone who might take the time to peal it off. Ouch, watch out for those finger nails, a manicure is just waiting for ya ;).
I do have a family and although the wife isn’t too keen on the idea I’m going ahead anyway. I doubt strongly that whoever ends up with stitches is going to do much but rethink taking signs.
Claymores aren’t an option due to Missouri law. They actually have to be in the house before you can kill them. With the baby crawling and having to redo the paint job, it’s just not worth the extra work. If I was in Texas; maybe, but the state laws here are a bit different. Good idea though!
As for putting them in the window or attached to a tree… I shouldn’t have to therefore I’m not. It’s the principle of the thing.
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Sab, it will be some whiney liberal judge that sentences him to 5 years probation instead of a good all-american conservative that would sentence him to 30 years hard labor like he deserves.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Just out of curiousity, are you ready to get sued? This is modern day America, after all. You're making an assumption that it is the "adults" only that are taking signs. What if it happens to be an 8 year old kid pulling a prank? The kid shouldn't, I know, but kids do stupid things, too.
Are you ready to stand before a judge to explain your booby-trap?
What about to the parents of the kid that needs to go to the hospital to get some stitches, a tetanus shot, or worse, reattachment surgery? If that sugery didn't take, amputation?
At that point, I'd think it would have sunk in that what you did wasn't too bright.
Or is your sign THAT valuable? BTW, I couldn't care less if it was a Kerry/Edwards sign instead.
...and no, I'm not endorsing the sign stealing by stupid adults.
I’m willing to take collateral damage if necessary. I doubt that it’s an 8 year old but more likely a teenager. Although my neighbor’s psycho friend is a Kerry fanatic, it may be her when she comes to visit.
My guess is that whoever is doing it is somewhere between 16-20; or my neighbors friend.
I have coverage; although I might not after it gets used.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I’m willing to take collateral damage if necessary. I doubt that it’s an 8 year old but more likely a teenager. Although my neighbor’s psycho friend is a Kerry fanatic, it may be her when she comes to visit.
My guess is that whoever is doing it is somewhere between 16-20; or my neighbors friend.
I have coverage; although I might not after it gets used.
Well better hope it's not a minor that tries to take your sign. Hope your assumptions are correct and that you're not facing a judge thinking about Murphy's Law. Good luck.
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Originally posted by rpm
Where in your warped little mind did I condone criminal behavior? I was berating yours.
By berating mine and ignoring the criminal behavior that initiated the event.
Typical NeoCom.
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I hope you remove the signs for Halloween.
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Spray the sign with pepper spray...
(http://web.ivenue.com/bulldogpolicesupply/images/Mvc-015f.jpg)
:)
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Well if its a Bush/Cheney sign, it comes stocked with poop...
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JUST SHOOT THEIR ASS!
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Originally posted by Martlet
By berating mine and ignoring the criminal behavior that initiated the event.
Typical NeoCom.
Excessive force is not excusable. Commiting a felony assault to stop a misdemeanor criminal mischief. Use a lock instead.
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I hope this is a joke.
If not I hope the kid that is permanently maimed by your idiocy sues you for all you're worth and then moves into your house.
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If anyone even approached my sign I would explode the sun and kill us all.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I hope this is a joke.
If not I hope the kid that is permanently maimed by your idiocy sues you for all you're worth and then moves into your house.
Hehe, then the kid votes for Democrats the rest of his life while Zippy loses his right to vote for being a felon.:aok
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Originally posted by rpm
Excessive force is not excusable. Commiting a felony assault to stop a misdemeanor criminal mischief. Use a lock instead.
There you go. Rationalizing criminal behavior again.
I should be able to do whatever I want to anything I own on my property. If you get hurt stealing it, that's your problem.
It's surely not a felony assault. NeoComs love criminals.
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Yes, it is a felony assault.
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Martlet seems to have missed the 'reasonable' gene...
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I have coverage; although I might not after it gets used.
FYI, umbrella policies and homeowner's liability insurance often don't cover gross negligence, which in MI is defined as disregard for the natural consequences of your actions -- such as having intent. So don't rely on any insurance to cover your lawyer bills and the resulting civil lawsuit.
Still hoping this is a big "LOL it was a expurimint :aok " post.
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Zip
Just fix it so the sharp edges just barely stick out (by barely I mean enough to only cause those annoying little cuts you don't know you have until way later).
This way, hopefully, they take the sign... and don't realize the damage until later, which is more annoying than painful. And.... YOU get to deny it was your sign.
:)
Tumor
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Originally posted by rpm
Yes, it is a felony assault.
No, it's not a felony assault.
Originally posted by deSelys
Martlet seems to have missed the 'reasonable' gene...
Stealing is "reasonable", though?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
If anyone even approached my sign I would explode the sun and kill us all.
Pure Genius :)
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Originally posted by Martlet
No, it's not a felony assault.
Let me walk you thru this slow enough you can understand.
booby trap
n. a device set up to be triggered to harm or kill anyone entering the trap, such as a shotgun which will go off if a room is entered, or dynamite which will explode if the ignition key on an auto is turned. If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. Setting a booby trap to even protect one's property is a crime.
Got that? OK, we'll move on to step two.
IC 35-47.5-5-10
Deploying a booby trap
Sec. 10. A person who knowingly or intentionally deploys a booby trap commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.123-2002, SEC.50.
Now be quiet and go back to putting razor blades in those Halloween apples.
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Hmmmm. I have yet to see where it says placing razors on your front yard is a felony.
Still looking, NeoCom??
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Martlet, your position, re: illegally booby trapping your property is quite amusing, in light of your opinion in the parapalegic pot smoker thread. I guess you do believe it's OK to break some laws, but not OK to break others...just depends on which ones you agree with. You're quite simply full of chit, but that's not much of a suprise.
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Originally posted by SOB
Martlet, your position, re: illegally booby trapping your property is quite amusing, in light of your opinion in the parapalegic pot smoker thread. I guess you do believe it's OK to break some laws, but not OK to break others...just depends on which ones you agree with. You're quite simply full of chit, but that's not much of a suprise.
Really? Which laws do I agree with breaking?
Name one.
I'm betting it's YOU who is full of crap.
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I have 5 poster signs, a few for backup, ready for construction. I’m placing double edged razor blades at key points where someone would grab the sign. I have them well placed and somewhat “hidden”. Paying close attention and you’ll see them with no problems. Doing a drive by and yanking it in the middle of the night though; well, that might cause a bit of skin to break open.
Nothing like a few stitches and a good scar to help remind someone of their stupidity in the future!
Oh and for those of you going to post about the liability, I’ll work that out when the handsomehunk who tried to take it in the first place tries to explain the situation and how their fingers came to be close enough to get shredded.
I'd rethink this. Had this crotchety old guy in my neighborhood where I grew up that lived on a corner. Seems his grass was geting lawjobed alot, almost every week. (fyi lawnjob is where you drive your car into someones yard, tearing it up). So one weekend he decided to implant some large bushes, and concealed INSIDE the bushes were steel posts he had buried a good 3 feet down w/ concrete. That weekend, a teenager came roaring into his yard with his car, went into the bushes, hit the post, and was killed.
The gentleman who planted the posts was convicted of manslaughter and was promply sent to jail.
I would think you would be better served with someting a bit less damaging as a razorblade. Consider possibly boobytraping the sign so it squirts soy sauce, or possibly something quite stinky. Much less damaging, and would still get your point across.
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7 azalea bushes - 49.50
3 steel polls - 86.00
Public defender - 0.00
Reciting Bush promises while being violated by large latino men in prison? Priceless
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
7 azalea bushes - 49.50
3 steel polls - 86.00
Public defender - 0.00
Reciting Bush promises while being violated by large latino men in prison? Priceless
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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ROFL Tweetybird I almost choked! :lol
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Sign construction completed and currently in place. I used fewer blades than originally designed. I figured out I myself was going to have trouble getting in and out of the ground.
When I left this morning, so far, still there, we shall see.
Good point on the Halloween thing, I will take it down before the neighborhood kids’ start running the streets.
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I'll just wear my kevlar gloves when I go Bush/Cheney sign stealing tonite. Thanks for letting me know when you put the razor blades on.
-SW
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Bare-wire wrapped, electrical cord (ornamental green casing to blend in with the grass) with stripped wiring to the bare wire on the sign...hmmm, I'm starting to get some good ideas! :p
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Pretty good link to sign stealing prevention here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244921/posts
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh Rip.... not again!?
Whats your email? I'll forward it, you can talk to him yourself. I've notified him to expect an email from a Kalifornian.
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You know what I do to Bush signs I steal?
I disrespect them. I pee on them, abuse them, wipe sausages on them, cover them in grape jelly and slap them around, stick burning cigarettes into their soft laminated paper, cut their nice wooden legs all up with a knife, listen to the groans of agony as I bend their wooden posts, then I rip them in half and let my dog have it's way with them. When I'm done, I throw them in the stove and burn them.
How does that make you feel?
-SW
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Originally posted by Thrawn
If anyone even approached my sign I would explode the sun and kill us all.
LMAO!! I laughed so hard at this!! In a thread of upscaling, this one wins hands down!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAhahahahaha
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Yes, your posts are boring Ripsnort.
-SW
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
LMAO!! I laughed so hard at this!! In a thread of upscaling, this one wins hands down!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAhahahahaha
Whats really funny is Saddam said the same thing in 1991 before the US kicked him out of Kuwait. Except replace Sun with Oil fields. I'm sure you've forgotten what a madman he is/was though.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Whats really funny is Saddam said the same thing in 1991 before the US kicked him out of Kuwait. Except replace Sun with Oil fields. I'm sure you've forgotten what a madman he is/was though.
lmao, wtf?? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lmao, wtf?? :rolleyes:
Sorry, I meant Thrawns quote, its ironic, because this madman that we removed had similiar feelings:
Saddam did not stop with looting a country; he also engaged in large-scale and wanton ruin of the environment. In perhaps the single most spectacular act of deliberate economic and environmental destruction in history, Iraqi military forces set fire to more than 1,100 oil wells in Kuwait at the end of the Gulf War in February 1991. These were not the acts of frantic or undisciplined troops, but a painstaking exercise in packing plastic explosives around the wellheads, wiring them to central detonating units, and piling sandbags to direct the force of the blast inward to increase the destructive effect.
A destroyed Iraqi tank sits near a series of oil well fires in 1991. (AP Photo/David Longstreath)
After the well fires were extinguished with an extraordinary international effort that lasted months, experts estimated that the burning oil wells spewed more than 5,000 tons of soot, 1 million to 2 million tons of carbon dioxide, 9,000 tons of sulfur dioxide, and an undetermined amount of toxic chemicals into the atmosphere. Black rains were reported in Turkey, and black snow fell in the foothills of the Himalaya Mountains.
Geysers of flame and thick, toxic smoke spew forth from Kuwaiti oil wells set afire by fleeing Iraqi troops in 1991. (AP Photo/Greg Gibson)
Saddam did not stop with oil fires, but deliberately opened pipelines that dumped between 4 million and 11 million barrels of oil into the waters of the Gulf, making it by far the largest single discharge of oil into the sea ever recorded. The result was an oil slick 40 kilometers long and 12 kilometers wide. The oil coated more than 1,300 kilometers of shoreline in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and killed between 15,000 and 30,000 seabirds. The oil devastated other marine life, especially turtle populations. The long-term damage to the ecology of the Gulf region is still being monitored today.
Shi'a women pray at the Abbas Mosque in Karbala, where the Iraqi military crushed an uprising against Saddam Hussein in 1991. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)
Following his defeat in the Gulf War, Saddam's forces suppressed uprisings in the Kurdish north and the predominately Shi'a south with extreme brutality marked by imprisonment, disappearances, and mass executions. North and south, Iraqi reprisals led to the destruction of homes and buildings, including mosques, and the razing of entire villages.
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Thrawn is Sadaam???? I mean, I knew he was swarthy looking, but I had no idea...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Whats really funny is Saddam said the same thing in 1991 before the US kicked him out of Kuwait. Except replace Sun with Oil fields.
What's even more funny is that Bush said the same thing except replace, "We saw the bravery of rescuers grow with danger.", with "I will explode the sun and kill us all."
I'm sure you've forgotten what a madman he is/was though.
Madman? Immoral yes, but I don't think he was a psychopath. And quite honestly I don't think you would want him to be insane either. Do you really want his defense agrueing deminished capacity?
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It is a truely pitifull time we live in where one stays up at night, just to steal signs out of someones yard, hoping this action will assist in getting their canidate elected.
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Wow, that was quite the hijack there rip.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Wow, that was quite the hijack there rip.
(http://artmorgan.com/celebrities/arnold/arnold1im/redheat0766.jpg)
I am reipshhnort, of ze fun police
No more fuunney manz for you Saadam..err.. Thrawzn!!!
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Pretty good link to sign stealing prevention here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244921/posts
Great...linking Freerepublic now Rip....
Maybe I should post links to FR threads that would surley embarrass the Bushbots here, there's lots of them to choose from on FR.
Now I see where you get all your cut n' pasties...pathetic, realy.
I can't wait for the meltdown at FR on Nov. 3rd....or 4th, or 5th...whenever this thing is settled.
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Hey Zip, this would have been a better option IMO: Read the email and see the pic :)
Some of you know my Bush sign was stolen Saturday night by some liberal Kerry lover. Ticked me off on Sunday when I noticed it was gone. It was a collectors edition from the 2000 election. My plan for revenge.
Since they always seem to steal them at night, I put piles of presents from my two 135 pound Malamutes in front of my new sign. I can't wait till they steal this sign and get half way down the road in their car before they smell the sweetness from my little puppies. Checkout the pictures.
The trap is ready. Look closely for the doggie presents.
(http://home.comcast.net/~ripsnort60/Dave.jpg)
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Zip, I think you should pass on the razor blades. Really.
Side note: Back in my kids' teenage years, my yard was getting "farmed" by other kids. I fixed it several times but after some deep ruts on a rainsoaked lawn I called the cops, because we were pretty sure who it was.
Cops wouldn't pursue the lead. However, they DID suggest "lawn obstacles" of various sorts that would flatten tires. With the inop car as evidence, they could act.
They said I had to be sure the obstacles were well on to my property, at least 10 feet from the sidewalk and that I had better only have them out at hours when the public wouldn't be out. Like midnight to 0600.
This was suggested by our Police Department.
Kinda sounds like RPM's "booby trap" though, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by Toad
Kinda sounds like RPM's "booby trap" though, doesn't it?
Not really Toad, something intended to safely disable a vehicle is not something intentionally made to injure or kill someone.
Giant concrete blocks shrouded by bushes - not exactly sure how that is intended to safely disable a vehicle. Now something like the police departments spike strips, that's designed to safely disable a vehicle.
Razor blades on a sign, obviously intended to harm someone.
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lmao -tronski-!! good stuff!
Kinda sounds like RPM's "booby trap" though, doesn't it?
Naw.. Not really. Flat tires and attempting to slice a person open with well placed razor blades are not so close...
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Razor blades on a sign, obviously intended to harm someone.
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Obvious? I wouldn’t say obvious. I have them hid pretty well.
But yes, they are intended to break skin.
1 full day and night… sign still up, haven’t hooked a fish yet.
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Landmines aren't obvious, but they are obviously intended to hurt someone.
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Originally posted by Toad
Cops wouldn't pursue the lead. However, they DID suggest "lawn obstacles" of various sorts that would flatten tires. With the inop car as evidence, they could act.
They said I had to be sure the obstacles were well on to my property, at least 10 feet from the sidewalk and that I had better only have them out at hours when the public wouldn't be out. Like midnight to 0600.
actually... you jogged my memory a bit w/ that. Seems to me the guy that did the steel pipes in the bushes WAS convicted because it was on the edge of his lawn, and not 10' back, or something along those lines.
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I like the doody idea.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Not really Toad, something intended to safely disable a vehicle is not something intentionally made to injure or kill someone.
The cops suggested 8-12" nails (spikes really) hammered through a 2 X 12 and laid in the grass.
What would happen if a kid fell on that?
Remember, that was the COPS suggestion.
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Intentions, not to mention the cop did tell you to do that...
vs, "I'm going to put razor blades on a sign to **** someone up."
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A couple of prangsters are removing signs off lawns and the tin foil hats break out, geez. If that is tops on the worry list, your living well my friend.
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CBS ran a story last night about campaign vandalism. Since Dan Rather reported it, it must not be happening. How gullable are you Zippy?
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Originally posted by rpm
CBS ran a story last night about campaign vandalism. Since Dan Rather reported it, it must not be happening. How gullable are you Zippy?
But who did he say did the most vandalism? I'm sure it wasn't the Dems they are to smart and honest for things like that.:rolleyes:
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I just wanna know when the evil scheme is going to go down...lol
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Intentions, not to mention the cop did tell you to do that...
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Yeah, and I bet if a kid HAD fallen on it, the cop would deny ever saying anything like that, instead claiming he warned me not to do it.
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Maybe, but are there really any kids out between midnight and 6AM that aren't drunk, stoned, or other?
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You know that wouldn't have mattered to the attorney that sued me or the jury that awarded for the plaintiff.
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I know. However, there is still a distinction. A block of wood with spikes in it, I'm not sure what type of spikes he meant - but there are types available that will puncture a tire under the weight of a car while still being dull enough not to puncture skin. Like old tyme wood nails that are flat on the end, I know - fallen on those placed in plywood before.
Anyway, having a metal rake laying about the yard and a kid fell on that - negligence maybe but a booby trap? They can puncture tires, got some nice points on 'em.
Now compared to razor blades on a sign...
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He was talking about 12" nails or "spikes" you can get at any Ace hardware store. Also, spiking a board and laying it out in the grass shows some intent... I mean folks don't just do that as lawn art.
I chose another method that proved equally effective in the end. ;)
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You filed a police report prior to decorating your lawn with vehicle disabling items, right?
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Nope. The two officers said they couldn't do a report as there was no evidence other than tracks in the lawn and they couldn't estimate $ damage.
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That seems kinda screwy, personally I haven't filed police reports... but I was there in person while someone placed a report for harrassment. They took down the information of everything that happened and told my friend to call them back if it happened again.
Anyway, I guess without evidence of a report of vandalism then that could be construed as a booby trap.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yes, it is a felony assault.
no its not. If you were in law enforcement u would know this. more likely the charge would be reckless endangerment.
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There was a great thread along these lines on a different forum.
Appearently it's great sport in some places to run over those old fashioned mail boxes.
The stories were about relatives or friends who basically made invincable mail boxes by planting steel poles 6 feet in the ground or whatever.
Or another guy filled up his trash cans (they were getting run over too) with cement.
One guy even dug a ditch in his yard and covered it with leaves.
Anyways, they all went to jail.
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Originally posted by Nash
There was a great thread along these lines on a different forum.
Appearently it's great sport is some places to run over those old fashioned mail boxes.
The stories were about relatives or friends who basically made invincable mail boxes by planting poles 6 feet in the ground or whatever.
Or another guy who filled up his trash cans (they were getting run over too) with cement.
One guy even dug a ditch in his yard and covered it with leaves.
Anyways, they all went to jail.
I know a guy who was getting his door mat stolen. He pulled the pin of a hand grenade and stuck it under the mat so when the neighbor took it, the spoon popped and the grenade went off, killing him.
They gave the mat owner a medal.
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That is rather strange they saw jail time. I think the ditch is a tad extreme, but the invincible mailboxes and cement filled garbage cans are pretty funny :) Dont understand the jail time on that one.
The dog pile idea is good. No slicing, only stink. I know it's only days away, but maybe rigging some form of a poop cannon or poop flinging device when the sign is yanked would be fun. Hell, even a trip wire with a gigantic air horn would work.
Blades - well, it's rather difficult to place blades and invincible mailboxes in the same category.
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Wasn't serious jail time (except in one case I remember).
The thread was almost as long as the Voss thread. I'll try to find it.
Bottom line is that they all got charged. Meaning there is some law in there somewhere.
Hilarious thread tho.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
no its not. If you were in law enforcement u would know this. more likely the charge would be reckless endangerment.
If you paid attention, you would know that it is. Please tell me you are not a PO.
booby trap
n. a device set up to be triggered to harm or kill anyone entering the trap, such as a shotgun which will go off if a room is entered, or dynamite which will explode if the ignition key on an auto is turned. If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar. Setting a booby trap to even protect one's property is a crime.
IC 35-47.5-5-10
Deploying a booby trap
Sec. 10. A person who knowingly or intentionally deploys a booby trap commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.123-2002, SEC.50.
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Another misguided Bushie:)
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Originally posted by Martlet
I know a guy who was getting his door mat stolen. He pulled the pin of a hand grenade and stuck it under the mat so when the neighbor took it, the spoon popped and the grenade went off, killing him.
They gave the mat owner a medal.
BS :lol
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I hate to break this to u rpm but all laws in every state are not classified the same. I was speaking about texas. PO? no, Im a little higher up the food chain
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also it is up to the DA's office and/or a Judge to decide if razorblades fall under the full definition of "booby trap" since razor blades will at worst cut u to the bone mor than likely if a charge was made it would be reckless endangerment.
Im not saying that i agree with the idea but your taking the law a little to literally for your argument.
lil law lesson for u-
Reckless: to commit and act knowing that the act "could cause injury to others yet continuing to commint said act.
Negligence: commiting an act not being aware that the act "could" cause injury to others. without 1st making the atempt to relize any possible dangers to others
in laymens terms. say your speeding if u have an accident you can be charged with reckless endangerment becouse you new the speed limit was being exceeded and could cause a accident with injuries or even death.
to be neglegent would be like hitting a golf ball over an embakement wich has several parking spots on the other side but, u didnt bother to look. If u damage a car or hit a bystander u could be charged with being negligent for not attempting to find out if your actions posed a danger to others
The law is not all black and white as you would like it. thats why we have judges and jury's ect.