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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: niknak on October 27, 2004, 07:44:36 AM
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http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2842/The_Power_Of_Nightmares_pt1-avi.torrent
This is a bittorrent link to an absorbing BBC documentry about the rise of the current islamic terrorists and the neo-conservative movement.
While you may not like the neo-cons it is made clear that the terrorists are the much more dangerous thinking party. I am not saying the programme endorses the neo-cons but it does make clear the failure of liberalism that caused thier rise.
Enjoy and tell me what you think.
P.S. I can't recommend this highly enough it is put together really well with lots of really good archive footage.
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Does this documentary define the term "neocon"?
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Torrent File? Someone want to explain, never heard of this file type before.:(
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Neoconservatives…
~Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
~Share unwavering support for Israel
~Support American unilateral action
S~upport preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
~Promote the development of an American empire
~Equate American power with the potential for world peace
~Seek to democratize the Arab world
~Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies
Interesting enough, I took this unscientific Neocon quiz where the above information came from, and it told me I was a Realist.
Here is the quiz (http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQuiz.html) (unscientific)
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It does not define a neo-con as such but it traces their lineage.
In the 60's a raft of liberal legistation was passed which was followed by a period of increased voilence, unrest and drug taking which was attributed by "straussians" to these liberal laws. They believed increased emphasis the liberal emphasis on individual rights and not on group identity and morals was eroding the shared moral and social code which binds us together in a harmonious society. They trace these political thinkers and there students (like wolfowitz and rumsfeld) to thier current position in american politics. They also outline the sort of statements ripsnort made and explore the reasoning behind them.
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Bittorrent is a new-ish p2p filesharing technology which uses something called swarming and (for me at least) gives much better download rates than something like edonkey.
You need a client. Install it then click on the link. you can download the torrent (or just open it from where it is) then you simply double click it to start the download. if you close it down you can simply resume by clicking on the torrent.
i like the bit tornado client. get it here
http://bittornado.com/
If you have a firewall you may need to reconfigure it to get full performance.
You can get loads of torrent files here (films, games, music):
suprnova.org
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Neoconservatives…
~Want the US to be the world's unchallenged superpower
~Share unwavering support for Israel
~Support American unilateral action
S~upport preemptive strikes to remove perceived threats to US security
~Promote the development of an American empire
~Equate American power with the potential for world peace
~Seek to democratize the Arab world
~Push regime change in states deemed threats to the US or its allies
Here is the quiz (http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQuiz.html) (unscientific)
sounds like the definition of imperialism to me.
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Do many americans want an empire? If so what sort?
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What kind ya got?
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Originally posted by niknak
Do many americans want an empire? If so what sort?
One where we get to make all the rules. ;)
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See Rule #7
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Neo-clowns, are just that sometimes.
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Well, according to that test, I'm a realist.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Then it should stop all money going anywhere. Including all humanitarian help to countries that hate America (which is most of them). All payments to North Korea to stop making those nuclear weapons they are making anyway. End of line. Full stop.
As long as you are willing to accept an economic collapse and the following civil unrest, feel free. But hey, better sooner than later.
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Realist here as well...
Realist
Realists…
Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision
Believe US power is crucial to successful diplomacy - and vice versa
Don't want US policy options unduly limited by world opinion or ethical considerations
Believe strong alliances are important to US interests
Weigh the political costs of foreign action
Believe foreign intervention must be dictated by compelling national interest
The definition comes pretty close to my views also.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
As long as you are willing to accept an economic collapse and the following civil unrest, feel free. But hey, better sooner than later.
That's sure to happen if they did what Drunky posted.
You guys need to check the US's commercial balance someday.
It's somewhere around -35 billion I think. :rofl
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Originally posted by niknak
In the 60's a raft of liberal legistation was passed which was followed by a period of increased voilence, unrest and drug taking which was attributed by "straussians" to these liberal laws. .................liberal emphasis on individual rights and not on group identity and morals was eroding the shared moral and social code which binds us together in a harmonious society. ..........
They Irony is that "neo-cons'" as the left likes to referrer to any Republican are former Demarcates, whom decided that the party had become a bunch of pansies and pushed for a stronger military, completely opposite of the demarcates today.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
As long as you are willing to accept an economic collapse and the following civil unrest, feel free. But hey, better sooner than later.
I was being sarcastic. Unfortunately I've been told that I'm not very good at it.
I considered throwing empiralism in there also and state that America's interest should be considered above all else and that the mentality of 'Manifest Destiny' ensures our rights to take over a country for their oil, food, water, sexy little Japanese girls in school uniforms, vehicles, crappy trinkets, clothes, and toys from China, shoes from third world countries, or whatever it is that we need.
But I felt that this might be too much for people. Good thing I didn't say it. (Sarcasm Alert)
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On re-reading the thread i should perhaps make clear that the program really has a alarming things to say about straussians (neo-cons) too.
They believe that in order to stop this liberal disease which is decaying values it is important to unite the country under a common purpose through religion and a sense the US is a unique power for good in the world. To achieve this they must have a bogeyman figure (formerly the soviet union and now terrorists).
The alarming thing is they believe fabricating this bogeyman is a justified means to an end.
This sucks big style.
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I took that quiz, said I was a realist....like Colin Powell and Eisenhower.....interesting... ..
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The funny thing is, that if we sealed our borders today, we would all be pissed, becuase we wouldn't have the latest in electronics and we would have to blow our own leaves, but a lot of the rest of the world would starve.
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Originally posted by Lizking
but a lot of the rest of the world would starve.
Canada can feed North America 10 times over. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Realist here as well...
The definition comes pretty close to my views also.
Reading your posts the past months I wouldnt agree with your assessement of your self on this issue:)
Realists:
Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision -Not this administration
Believe strong alliances are important to US interests - Not this administration
Weigh the political costs of foreign action - Not this administration
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Originally posted by niknak
Do many americans want an empire? If so what sort?
We already have an empire. Now, I think the final plan is an empire that prays to only one god.
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Thrawn, I count ya'll with us.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Thrawn, I count ya'll with us.
Heh, you can be sure of one thing if/when the US economy goes belly up Canada will do everything humanly possible to help out even if it's to our detriment.