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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Otto on October 27, 2004, 11:07:27 PM
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You heard it here first :)
There's a problem with the link to the Washington Times:(
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
This is all I could copy, not sure if it's accruate:
GERTZ // THURSDAY // WASH TIMES: Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned. John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
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I hear that the russians are out of chemical explosives and will do the most out rageos things to aquire it.
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kinda agree w/ pongo. If this were still the cold war...sure why not. What would the russians have to benifit from this.
They know that Iraq is gonna get rolled on. They know that the "Oil for food" scandle is gonna become public. Why would they risk this?
OTOH, if this is the truth....makes you wonder what else they moved
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Everybody knows Russians are bad people. They do bad things!
Sounds a little ridiculous to me.
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Russia is not evil, but neither are the French. Who knows what the hell happened?
I'm just guessing, but I'd say the crap was moved before we got to the area. Even Saddam's own records suggest some movement of the HE in comms to the UN.
It's just an old story resurected in a Presidential race.... nobody in America really gives a rats arse about it because we know it's bs on some level.
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Fox Mulder told me that the cloned Nazis living under Antartica and mind controlling the UN sent a squadron of black helicopters to retrieve the chemicals that they sold to visiting Aliens.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Fox Mulder told me that the cloned Nazis living under Antartica and mind controlling the UN sent a squadron of black helicopters to retrieve the chemicals that they sold to visiting Aliens.
And I'd bet you believed it all.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Fox Mulder told me that the cloned Nazis living under Antartica and mind controlling the UN sent a squadron of black helicopters to retrieve the chemicals that they sold to visiting Aliens.
now this is the best peice that i have read in awhile. :rofl
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The Truth is out there.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
The Truth is out there.
and it ain't nothing that comes of this phoney's piehole
(http://www.mwilliams.info/images/kerry01-s.jpg)
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Originally posted by Otto
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
Drunk bearded people wearing fur hats with huge red stars and their pet white bears?
They will show empty vodka bottles and abandoned balalaikas as the evidence, no doubt!
Originally posted by Otto
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense
I love the name of his position! :D
Originally posted by Otto
for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, “almost certainly” removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
If he believes something "almost certainly" - he must cross himself. Russian troops my ***:D
Now I'll not be surprised if mr. Shaw will jump out of the window screaming "Russians are coming!!!"
One question: do average people in America believe this hallucinations?
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Originally posted by Eagler
and it ain't nothing that comes of this phoney's piehole
:rofl That is dumb two party politics. :rolleyes:
Here's a clue for you: Lying is a requirement in politics.
Bush hasd lied to you multiple times, anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
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RPM will you and your GUY kerry apologize now or later for your false accusations?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
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gee... I guess if I was working for the sadman and had supplied him with questionable weapons and the U.S. was gearing up to kick my bosses butt and then find weapons and take names...
I might slip out the back door with the stuff too... maybe even turn a profit on it from someone who wanted the stuff like the syraians.
probly will find empty vodka bottles all over this story.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
probly will find empty vodka bottles all over this story.
I think mr. Shaw (if he exists) uses some mind-extending substances stronger then vodka.
This stupid story simply fits into mass propaganda because everyone knows that Russians are evil, they killed Kennedy and crusified Christ. Goes right along with pet bears, fur hats and vodka instead of tea.
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russians don't drink vodka or wear warm hats?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
russians don't drink vodka or wear warm hats?
lazs
or have pet bears?:p
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It's working now:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
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So now they could be in Syria... what the **** are we doing? Playing hot potato?!
-SW
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Originally posted by Otto
It's working now:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/iraqrefute.shtml
In Russian news we already have a report that US Department of State refuted this hallucinations. Can't find it on American web sites, hoping you guys know better were to search.
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This is looking worse for the bushhaters and kerry every minute
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1
But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over three tons of RDX were stored at the facility — a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.
The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.
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This is definitely looking worse, it went from Iraq to Syria... or somewhere.
Could have sworn this war was about making the world a safer place and getting rid of those weapons.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
This is definitely looking worse, it went from Iraq to Syria... or somewhere.
Could have sworn this war was about making the world a safer place and getting rid of those weapons.
-SW
Saddam is out of power. We did make your world safer. Sleep tight tonight, and don't forget to thank this administration.
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Ya if france, russia, germany let us go in when we wanted to they would not have had the extra time to move the stuff.
and kerry likes to say "THIS PRESIDENT RUSHED TO WAR".
If we had rushed we may have been able to stop the movement
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I think we should believe THIS story! Its gotta be true!
Group Claims It Has al-Qaqaa Explosives
Thursday, October 28, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq — An armed group claimed in a video Thursday to have obtained a large amount of explosives missing from a munitions depot facility in Iraq (search) and threatened to use them against foreign troops.
A group calling itself Al-Islam's Army Brigades (search), Al-Karar Brigade, said it had coordinated with officers and soldiers of "the American intelligence" to obtain a "huge amount of the explosives that were in the al-Qaqaa (search) facility."
The claim couldn't be independently verified. The speaker was surrounded by masked, armed men standing in front of a black banner with the group's name on it in the tape obtained by Associated Press Television News.
"We promise God and the Iraqi people that we will use it against the occupation forces and those who cooperate with them in the event of these forces threatening any Iraqi city," the man added.
Nearly 400 tons of conventional explosives have disappeared from the al-Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The U.N. agency's chief Mohamed ElBaradei,reported the disappearance to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, two weeks after Iraqi officials told the nuclear agency that 377 tons of explosives had vanished as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security."
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Ripsnort, you are an idiot.
JBA, "let us go in"?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Ripsnort, you are an idiot.
JBA, "let us go in"?
-SW
Good rebuttal! Bravo bravo! (Golf clap).
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I don't have to rebut anything, my post clearly demonstrated how the world is not safer then you came in with your typical studity and just HAD to post it... again.
I rebutted your asinine post before it was even posted.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I don't have to rebut anything, my post clearly demonstrated how the world is not safer then you came in with your typical studity and just HAD to post it... again.
I rebutted your asinine post before it was even posted.
-SW
Beautiful! {Another golf clap (http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif)} Were you on the College debate team? It sure is showing! :rofl
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Every post, you prove my point.
-SW
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Wow... This Board is more fun than the game, and it's FREE.
If I didn't have this to do over my coffee in the morning I'm not sure I'd still have an account. :D
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Every post, you prove my point.
-SW
Excellent point! Well taken! I have no further rebuttals. Now, go answer your tech line, I think someone is calling to complain that they can't find the "Any" key.:lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
russians don't drink vodka or wear warm hats?
lazs
as much as americans wear colts and drink JB
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Originally posted by lada
as much as americans wear colts and drin JB
You've never been to Wyoming, Idaho, or Montana, have you? :cool:
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hehe not realy.... Im to dangerous to travell accross US... coz of my education and age ;)
but i have no problem to belive that some ppl who live at country side and running farm still use sutch tools... coz some russian are still drunk.... but its not typical for US nor Russain... got my point ?
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Originally posted by lada
hehe not realy.... Im to dangerous to travell accross US... coz of my education and age ;)
but i have no problem to belive that some ppl who live at country side and running farm still use sutch tools... coz some russian are still drunk.... but its not typical for US nor Russain... got my point ?
Well just wait til your an adult, and get back in highschool, then you'll be able to read the road signs.:lol
And since the bulb hasn't come on yet, I'll clue you in..The above posters mentioning Russians do not really believe what they are sterotyping, its a joke.
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Originally posted by lada
hehe not realy.... Im to dangerous to travell accross US... coz of my education and age ;)
I'm not sure this 'translated' correctly Lada. I'm sure you're not 'dangerous' and I'm also confident your smart enough to get across the Unided States no matter how old you are. ;)
Second Post:
(Oh, Rip's is saying 'too young'. I was thinking 'too old'. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/iraqrefute.shtml
In Russian news we already have a report that US Department of State refuted this hallucinations. Can't find it on American web sites, hoping you guys know better were to search.
Greeting Boroda.. nice to see you around
i found nice link on that web.... look look US supporting terrorist ... or are they freedom fighters... ?
http://www.mosnews.com/images/g/standarts.shtml
:D
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we are talking about chemical explosives here guys.
Why the hell would a spetznatz team move 400 tones of C4 from Iraq to Syria? I know it seems like a lot but I assure you, syria has all they can use and so do the Russians. The only place where its real valuable is in Iraq to the insurgents. By the looks of what has happend, they have gotten plenty of C4 from somewhere...
wonder where they got it?
Ripsnort lives in fear largely because of the Bush administration.
Facinating isnt it.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Ripsnort lives in fear largely because of the Bush administration.
Facinating isnt it.
How so? Please explain, I'm anxious to hear from someone who does not have a vote next Tuesday! :rofl I still giggling about the time you thought I sent you a virus because we had a heated discussion on the BBS.:lol Talk about fear!
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Originally posted by Pongo
Ripsnort lives in fear largely because of the Bush administration.
Facinating isnt it.
everybody who understand principles used and explained by Goering understand hows it happen.. or not ? :)
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Maybe it wasn't the 'Russians' after all...
The problem might be with 'Iraqi' accounting methods...
From ABC:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304&page=1
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These are the same Russians who've endorsed Bush for president, right? If this story is true, it does not vindicate the administration; if anything, I find it far more disturbing that we would allow such a close "ally" to behave in such a demonstrably dangerous manner by giving almost 400 tons of very dangerous explosives to a country with a clear history of sponsoring and/or tolerating terrorist organizations.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Pongo
we are talking about chemical explosives here guys.
Why the hell would a spetznatz team move 400 tones of C4 from Iraq to Syria? I know it seems like a lot but I assure you, syria has all they can use and so do the Russians. The only place where its real valuable is in Iraq to the insurgents. By the looks of what has happend, they have gotten plenty of C4 from somewhere...
wonder where they got it?
Ripsnort lives in fear largely because of the Bush administration.
Facinating isnt it.
Guess you missed this ....
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
It's not about who needs what ... its about who was giving Saddam nasty stuff to play with ... secretly.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
These are the same Russians who've endorsed Bush for president, right? If this story is true, it does not vindicate the administration; if anything, I find it far more disturbing that we would allow such a close "ally" to behave in such a demonstrably dangerous manner by giving almost 400 tons of very dangerous explosives to a country with a clear history of sponsoring and/or tolerating terrorist organizations.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Levi ... Russia was gonna get caught with their hand in the cookie jar so they tried to clean up the crumbs ... they didn't really care whos rug the crumbs got swept under ... they just needed the place to look clean.
I doubt we knew that they moved all this stuff across the border prior to us arriving on the scene.
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"We have an undersecretary of Defense roaming the countryside. We need to locate and secure him."
Read this (http://www.needlenose.com/pMachineFree2.2.1/comments.php?id=1438_0_1_0_C14)
A senior Defense Department official conducted unauthorized investigations of Iraq reconstruction efforts and used their results to push for lucrative contracts for friends and their business clients, according to current and former Pentagon officials and documents.
John A. "Jack" Shaw, deputy undersecretary for international technology security, represented himself as an agent of the Pentagon's inspector general in conducting the investigations this year, sources said.
In one case, Shaw disguised himself as an employee of Halliburton Co. and gained access to a port in southern Iraq after he was denied entry by the U.S. military, the sources said.
Mr. Shaw gets around!
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tod.. I don't think the russians were endorsing Bush for anything before the invasion started... seems they were trying to get him from invading.... seems they endorsed hoim after nothing was found and now.... who knows?
wulfie... I do believe that the U.S. and probly the world is a safer place... I think that getting rid of the sadman was a good thing and that having all the terrorists concentrating on overthrowing the iraq effort is much better for us and the world than them trying to skyjack passenger liner missles or make fertilizer bombs or mail anthrax or any of a number of pesky things...
I think the more countries that either no longer want them around or simply are afraid to have them around the better.
I don't worry about a hundred dirt poor terrorists sitting around a broken down mud huts 1950's dinnette set and watching their AK's rust... I do worry about them being financed by a country.
moving all of iraqs weapons to syria is better than having em in both countries..
in my opinion.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
"We have an undersecretary of Defense roaming the countryside. We need to locate and secure him."
Mr. Shaw gets around!
LOL!!!
I wonder if this article will be noticed by any Russian news source. I'll mail it to some journalists I know.
Thanks a lot! :aok
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Trust no one.
God bless America. :rolleyes:
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Lazs, that's just the thing - we haven't seen a mass exodus of terrorists (or maybe they slipped through out through our customs - which would be very scary) from the US. The Al Qaeda hijackers were in the states for several years.
The majority, if not all, of the terrorists over there in Iraq were in the middle east and Iraqies.
The number one terrorist threat to the US is Al Qaeda, and they're probably just sitting around in our own backyards plotting.
The battleground over there that was created for terrorists is just local terrorists that in many cases the war created.
If these weapons went into Syria and/or Iran, the world is not any safer.
-SW