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INVADE!!!!
Arafat to Be Moved to Hospital in Paris
35 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By LARA SUKHTIAN, Associated Press Writer
RAMALLAH, West Bank - Palestinian officials prepared to move the ailing Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) out of his sandbagged headquarters to a hospital in Paris Thursday as associates described an Palestinian leader who was too weak to stand, appeared confused and spent most of the day sleeping.
One Palestinian official said earlier he expected Arafat to be flown by helicopter to Amman.
If Arafat were taken to the hospital, it would highlight the severity of the health crisis and mark the first time for him to leave his battered Ramallah headquarters since he was confined there by Israel in 2002.
Israeli officials assured the Palestinians on Thursday that if Arafat recovered, he would be able to return to the West Bank, a prominent Israel-Arab lawmaker said. In the past, Israel was unwilling to make such promises.
Doctors from Jordan, Tunisia and Egypt were by Arafat's side Thursday, monitoring his vital signs in a small clinic at his compound after he collapsed and briefly lost consciousness Wedneday night. Palestinian officials initially tried to play down the health problems, saying he performed Muslim prayers before dawn Thursday and ate a light breakfast of cornflakes and milk.
But a close Arafat associate said the Palestinian leader spent most of the day sleeping. When he awoke, he was moved into a wheelchair because he was very weak and could not stand up, the associate said. At times, Arafat appeared confused, not recognizing some of his visitors, he added.
Arafat has been unable to hold down food, and also suffers from diarrhea, the associate said on condition of anonymity.
Israeli defense officials met Thursday to discuss the possible fallout if Arafat dies. Anxious Palestinians throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip (news - web sites) waited for any scrap of information about his condition, with many fearing his death would plunge their nation into a profound crisis.
"I was awake all the night," said Imad Samara, a 38-year-old teacher from Gaza City. "I pray to God to save him because we need him, he is the safety valve for everything here, he is the father of all the Palestinians."
Arafat's wife, Suha, arrived at the Ramallah headquarters Thursday after she was called from Tunis to be with her husband. Suha Arafat lives in Paris with their young daughter, and has not seen her husband since 2001.
On Wednesday evening, Arafat's persistent two-week illness had taken a sudden turn for the worse. Arafat vomited after eating soup, then collapsed and was unconscious for about 10 minutes, a bodyguard said.
Palestinian officials initially insisted that Arafat was suffering only from a severe flu, while doctors said he also suffered from a large gallstone. Israeli officials have speculated Arafat is suffering from cancer in the digestive tract.
Arafat has been confined to the sandbagged, partially demolished compound since May 2002. He has been kept inside both by occasional Israeli military blockades and by threats that he would not be allowed to return if he leaves.
Israel, fearing it will be blamed for any further deterioration in Arafat's condition, said Thursday it is ready to lift its travel ban and allow Arafat to leave.
Arab-Israeli lawmaker Ahmed Tibi, an Arafat confidant, said the promise had come from Dov Weisglass, a senior aide of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).
However, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (news - web sites) was skeptical. "If Arafat wants to come to Egypt, it would be difficult to get Israeli guarantees to let him go back," Mubarak told reporters in Cairo.
Sharon, in a telephone conversation with his Palestinian counterpart Ahmed Qureia, agreed to allow Arafat to be flown abroad for treatment if necessary, though they did not discuss the question of his returning, a Sharon aide said.
Arafat's health crisis has highlighted how unprepared the Palestinians are for their leader's death, making a chaotic transition period all but inevitable. Arafat has refused to groom a successor, fearing an impatient protege could turn on him.
Two Palestinian leadership groups, the Central Committee of the ruling Fatah (news - web sites) movement and the PLO Executive Committee, planned to meet at Arafat's headquarters later Thursday.
One Palestinian official said Arafat has created a special committee consisting of Qureia, former Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, and Salim Zaanoun, head of the Palestinian National Council, to run the PLO and the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) while he is ill.
But when asked if Arafat had set up such a committee, Arafat spokesman Nabil Abu Rdeneh said: "Nothing like that."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, traveling in Michigan with President Bush (news - web sites), said U.S. officials were monitoring the situation.
Sharon met Thursday with his defense minister, Shaul Mofaz. Israel has prepared contingency plans if Arafat dies, including how to deal with possible riots and prevent Palestinian attempts to bury Arafat in Jerusalem.
Israel has marked a possible burial site for Arafat in the Jerusalem suburb of Abu Dis, in the West Bank, security officials said. The Haaretz daily said Israel has taken the location of the plot into consideration in planning the route of its West Bank separation barrier.
Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said a Palestinian Authority without Arafat could become a partner for peace. "We always said we would be willing to talk to a Palestinian leadership that would be willing once and for all to bring an end to the bloodshed," Shalom told Israel Radio.
Reports about Arafat's ailment have varied widely. Palestinian officials said he had the flu. Israeli officials speculated he might have stomach cancer, but two of his doctors said Wednesday a blood test and a biopsy of tissue from his digestive tract showed no evidence of that.
On Tuesday, a hospital official said Arafat was suffering from a large gallstone. Israeli officials speculated Arafat had suffered a stroke. Arafat has shown symptoms of Parkinson's disease (news - web sites) since the late 1990s.
During Arafat's long confinement in the Ramallah compound, doctors have equipped two rooms with medical equipment, including X-ray, ultrasound machines and emergency resuscitation gear.
In tests this week, Arafat was in his pajamas and wore a blue wool hat, instead of his trademark black-and-white checkered headscarf, an official on the medical team said.
The medical official said Arafat continues to sleep in a small room, which has only one window and is furnished with a bed and a closet, even though a new, sunnier room has been refurbished for him on another floor.
From his small window, Arafat looks out on rubble and heaps of cars flattened in previous Israeli raids.
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Arafat = Ghandi 2.
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Leon Klinghoeffer would disagree.
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The French have just surrendered to Arafat and Palestine.
:rofl
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You guys have Orlando Bosch and Kissinger, what's the beef here?
Other than, Pot me Kettle...
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Originally posted by Torque
You guys have Orlando Bosch and Kissinger, what's the beef here?
Other than, Pot me Kettle...
We'll give them both back if you promise to take Celine Dion and Bryan Adams with them.
What is it with the Canadians always defending the French anyway?
Is it a USA-Hater thing or did you guys never really cut the cord?
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I say we keep Bryan Adams - maybe send Peter Jennings instead?
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Arafat wants to die in a Muslim country.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
We'll give them both back if you promise to take Celine Dion and Bryan Adams with them.
What is it with the Canadians always defending the French anyway?
Is it a USA-Hater thing or did you guys never really cut the cord?
It really doesn't have anything to do with being 'USA-hater', since that is simply too harsh way to call it.
It's just about USA having their own misdeeds, did you like it or not.
You might not have any part in it, but then again the talk isn't about you either.
It does only come around to you, if you insult others and forget "you" don't have a clear background either.
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FYI, France has also a huge jewish community, which is mostly against Sharon's aggressive policy (example (http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/articles/2004/07/21/news/israel/zafrance0720.txt)).
If the US would stop putting oil on the Middle East fire, maybe Europe could help to build the peace between Israel and Palestine. Rabin was so close to achieve it...until some whacko right-wing sionist fediddleed it up.
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OMG Fred Sanford lives!
(http://www.timvp.com/sanfordandson9.jpg)
(http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS_ARAFAT.sff_JRL808_20041028123557.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
OMG Fred Sanford lives!
(http://www.timvp.com/sanfordandson9.jpg)
(http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS_ARAFAT.sff_JRL808_20041028123557.jpg)
This is so funnay! (http://www.grsites.com/sounds/18791905/comic/comic008.wav)
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Nice to see France helping someone get better.
Gonna enjoy a good Bordeaux with my steak on saturday. :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nice to see France helping someone get better.
Ya, real nice. I hope his death is as painful as his victims.
It is Arafat's hand that signed the checks to fund Palestinian terror attacks against Israel. And it is Arafat's voice that gave the green light to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and his own Fatah movement to launch suicide-bombing attacks against innocent men, women and children. And it is Arafat's mind that plotted and oversaw the present wave of Palestinian terror.
"His were the hands that pulled the strings..."
As a result, over 600 innocent Israelis have been murdered in the past two years by Palestinian terrorists. That is 600 compelling reasons to bring Arafat to justice. Which is not to mention the Munich Olympics massacre, the Achille Lauro hijacking or other various atrocities perpetrated over the years by the PLO.
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As I said... a nice Bordeaux with my stake :)
Maybe some nice cheese too for desert if there is any wHine left.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
What is it with the Canadians always defending the French anyway?
It's instincual reflex, and it's Arafat we are defending not France. He's wearing a toque.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ya, real nice. I hope his death is as painful as his victims.
Could not have said it better.
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Dont worry people, If Bush had gotten ill, France or any other european country would have treated him too :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Dont worry people, If Bush had gotten ill, France or any other european country would have treated him too :)
Yup, our special centers for retarded kids are pretty good. Bushie's case isn't that desesperate.:rofl
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Yup, our special centers for retarded kids are pretty good. Bushie's case isn't that desesperate.:rofl
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Nice to see you Euros showing your true colors, coming out in support of a terrorist.
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Another bright comment from muck
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Another bright comment from muck
Pffft...
That the best you got?
Are you saying Arafat is NOT a terrorist?
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Pffft...
That the best you got?
Are you saying Arafat is NOT a terrorist?
Wait, don't answer that. Forget I asked.
I'm not going to waste my time with another stupid BBS debate/last word contest.
Just forget it. Your right. I'm wrong, congratulations.
I dont have the tolerance for these silly engagements any more.
Carry on.
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Then why do you start them?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Then why do you start them?
I would venture to guess because of the audacity of some posters that support terrorism.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I would venture to guess because of the audacity of some posters that support terrorism.
I have yet to see a single poster that supports terrorists.
Name one please.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nice to see France helping someone get better.
Gonna enjoy a good Bordeaux with my steak on saturday. :)
Gee, heres one right here
They oughta be pumping a big air bubble into Arafats aorta
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Killing political leaders is not legal under international law even if you dont like any laws that prohibit you from doing what you want.
I would bet everything i own that america would offer medical aid to arafat if they asked.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I have yet to see a single poster that supports terrorists.
Name one please.
Do you know the definition of "subtle"?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Do you know the definition of "subtle"?
Yes I do... why, and how that that apply to this?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I would bet everything i own that america would offer medical aid to arafat if they asked.
Absolutely, and I bet the state dept. would make sure that Dr. Klinghoffer (son of Leon Klinghoffer) would nurse him to health.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes I do... why, and how that that apply to this?
If you can't see it, I'm sorry, then I cannot help you see it.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you can't see it, I'm sorry, then I cannot help you see it.
Are you in a subtle way trying to admit to beeing a terrorist supporter by paying taxes that went directly to supporting Bin Laden in his fight against Russia in Afghanistan?
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This 'terrorist' won a peace Nobel prize in 1994 together with Rabin and Perez. He may have a bloody past during the Israel-arab wars, but he definitely worked to restore peace during the nineties. Israel and US accuse him of launching terror attacks without serious proofs. You can only blame him for not being able to stop them.
Yes I have sympathy for Arafat. Like I have sympathy for Perez and a great admiration for Rabin. The warmongers like Sharon and the Hesbollah extremists disgust me. Clear enough for you?
And I would like to know how many civilians have been killed during GWB's Holy (Oily?) War. With all this blood spilled, your Prez should have won the 'terrorist' tag too.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you can't see it, I'm sorry, then I cannot help you see it.
Ripsnort is seeing things. lol.
I see that you have recovered from your last BBS break down.
:aok
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Originally posted by deSelys
This 'terrorist' won a peace Nobel prize in 1994 together with Rabin and Perez. He may have a bloody past during the Israel-arab wars, but he definitely worked to restore peace during the nineties. Israel and US accuse him of launching terror attacks without serious proofs. You can only blame him for not being able to stop them.
Yes I have sympathy for Arafat. Like I have sympathy for Perez and a great admiration for Rabin. The warmongers like Sharon and the Hesbollah extremists disgust me. Clear enough for you?
And I would like to know how many civilians have been killed during GWB's Holy (Oily?) War. With all this blood spilled, your Prez should have won the 'terrorist' tag too.
Bulletin Board Security Advisory System is now RED
Severe=Red
Severe risk of Ameri-bashing by organized Ameri-haters, and joined by American liberals.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nice to see France helping someone get better.
Gonna enjoy a good Bordeaux with my steak on saturday. :)
Tonite im drinking Finnish beer (Lapin Kulta) and Spanish Red Wine (El Coto Rioja) aint i a globe trotter (sp?) :)
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Originally posted by Maniac
Tonite im drinking Finnish beer (Lapin Kulta) and Spanish Red Wine (El Coto Rioja) aint i a globe trotter (sp?) :)
Sounds great Maniac... unlike the finns themselves (from what ive heard from finns here) I love Lapin Kulta :)
I have the morningshift with Mia again tomorrow so that I can have sunday morning off...no beer for me today :D