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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on October 29, 2004, 02:51:32 PM
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NOT
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Don't care
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Nevermind.
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if its half as good as it sounds ya perk her. i just look forward to shooting her down in my p38.
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Until we know how it has been modeled it is pointless to say.
It could be as bad as merely an above average fighter for AH, or on the other end it could be a tremendously dominating fighter. It all depends on how it is modeled.
Wait and see.
Then, after you see, wait for the dust to settle and for people to get used to it before you decide if you need to advocate for it to be perked.
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Personally I dont see how it could be...at best its on a par with a pony/D9/la-7. Basically its a mid 1944 plane...almost everything I read gives topend of 388-392. Certainly not a slouch if it handles as well as expected but not a "double positive" against the above mentioned birds either. I seriously doubt it'll overwelm the arena like the C-hog did...specially if its a 2x20mm 2x12.7 version....
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unperked to find out what it really is and play test it with the full arena flying them..then perked..
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There's no way it can be perked when it's new. There would be a riot, if people in cyber-space could riot.
If the Ki-84 turns out to be uber, then it will get perked. Historically the Hayate / Frank could outclimb a P-51 and out-turn a Spitfire, so "uberness" will depend on what top speed HTC gives it, I suppose.
For the record, I think the D-Pony, 190-D, and La-7 should all cost a few perks, along with some others, like the 109G-10.
MRPLUTO
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
For the record, I think the D-Pony, 190-D, and La-7 should all cost a few perks, along with some others, like the 109G-10.
MRPLUTO
should carry the same perk value as the F4U1C, outside of the P51D having 50 cals, every plane above walks away from the F4U1C under 15k or so, and can easily run the F4U1C down. Also the F4U1C is easy to kill unless the pilot flying it knows how to fly it!
the Ki-84 should not be perked for at least 3 to 6 months, not even then if it is not warranted
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I heard it'll be a 40 perk bird.
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No reason to perk it when planes like the P-51D, G-10, D-9, La-7 is unperked.
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perk-a-booooo!!!
I heard it is perked with 200 points.
Source is Fariz1.
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i hope was not modeled,
WingZero,Taki,yancya,busa and other Punis, kicked my arse in NIKIs , if they get KI84 i'll fly panzers only
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if it will be anything like it was in WB
PERK IT
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No need to perk -- like George, Frank is another fun to fly super Zeke with excellent climb and agility plus four 20mm but not great speed.
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It is Super Oscar or Tojo.
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Well, yes, more like a combination Ki-43 and Ki-44.
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Perked?
Naaaa, it's not fast enough, and slower little planes like the Spit V will give it hell.
Yet, at low-medium alt it should be a very nice and thereby popular aircraft.
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How are planes perked in AH?
Is it by aircraft's limited sortie time against enemy A/C during war?
here's the pattern i notice...
* Spit14 and Temp is perkled because all they did in late war was to shoot cruise missiles...
*F4U-1C, only saw action in okinawa
*F4U-4, entered very late when entered war.
*Ta 152, only saw small actions against temps
262-163-234, self explanatory
How about the Ki-84, does it lie under these categories besides its great ROC/manuverability?
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tikky,
The Spit XIV and Tempest were both much more active than you give them credit for. They both saw extensive use over the continent, and Spit XIVs also served in the CBI theater.
The Tiger I also saw very extensive combat service.
Units are perked in AH for gameplay reasons. Perked units are those that would be imbalancing if they were free. The F4U-1C was an example of that.
The Ki-84 will have a top speed at sealevel in the 320mph to 360mph range. The climb rate will be in the 3,500fpm to 4,000fpm range. The Ki-84 will turn about like a Spit IX, N1K2 or C.205. The top speed will be from 388mph to 427mph at about 18,000ft. It al depends on how HTC models it.
As to the criteria you posited, the Ki-84 entered service in April, 1944 and was the third most produced Japanese aircraft behind the A6M and Ki-43 series. It saw heavy combat in the last year and months of the war. It's first actions were in China and the Phillipines.
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If they don't perk the Ki84 and then leave my F4U-C perked I don't know what I would do. I bet it wouldn't be good though:eek:
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but but but
was spit 14 baptised by fire? (ie 109s 190s, ect)
and im 1000% sure that temps only killed tons of cruise missiles and a cuple of 152s....
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Originally posted by tikky
but but but
was spit 14 baptised by fire? (ie 109s 190s, ect)
and im 1000% sure that temps only killed tons of cruise missiles and a cuple of 152s....
I'm sure Guppy will be along soon to show you that you are
1000% incorrect. Both Spit 14s and Temps saw action vrs the
Luftwaffe, not just V-1s.
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tikky,
First kill by a Spit XIV, IIRC, was a Ju88 in March, 1944. Also, IIRC, a Spit XIV was the first plane to shoot down an Me262. Yes, the Spitfire Mk XIV did engage in air-to-air combat with a wide assortment of German aircraft.
The Tempest was also active from mid-1944 to the end of the war, and yes, there were air-to-air kills.
EDIT:
Another point against your idea of why aircraft are perked can be found in the C.205 and N1K2-J, neither of which saw anywhere near as much service as the Spitfire Mk XIV or Tempest Mk V. There were 262 C.205s built and 406 N1K2-Js built compared with 957 Spitfire Mk XIVs and about 700 Tempest Mk Vs.
As a comparison with the Ki-84 as you originally were asking about it, there were 3,514 Ki-84s built.
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Originally posted by tikky
How are planes perked in AH?
Is it by aircraft's limited sortie time against enemy A/C during war?
here's the pattern i notice...
* Spit14 and Temp is perkled because all they did in late war was to shoot cruise missiles...
*F4U-1C, only saw action in okinawa
*F4U-4, entered very late when entered war.
*Ta 152, only saw small actions against temps
262-163-234, self explanatory
How about the Ki-84, does it lie under these categories besides its great ROC/manuverability?
Vought F4U-1C Corsair saw very late Iwo Jima for ground supporting before heading up Okinawa.
F4U-4B? We don't know if they ever see action, but F4UDOA believe they did see action before War was ended and he might be right about that, but again there is no proof.
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Perks are applied according to arena balance in terms of usage. When a certain plane is hugely overused, it becomes a perk material.
However, since overuse is usually associated with MA-competitiveness, it is therefore indirectly related to performance; if a certain plane is very powerful in terms of performance, it will be perked.
However, the irony is, most of the perked planes never went through any kind of 'test phase' until they got perked. Almost all of the perked planes were introduced as a perk plane right from the start, and their prices have hardly changed. The Spit14 is a prime example of a misapplied perk. This plane fits none of the existing perk critera. It is neither a rare plane nor a plane that is anymore 'menacing' than the planes we already have free.
The same would apply to the Ki-84. It is a very competitive plane no doubt, and its wonderful balance between speed and maneuverability will make it easily one of the most popular planes in the MA. However, we already have planes like that. The La-7 is a Tempest class plane, the P-51D is easily the best multi-role fighter in the MA, the Fw190D-9 is one of the most powerful planes since AH2, and the Bf109G-10 is virtually untouchable at alt.
With that kind of competition, perking the Ki-84 is incredibly unfair. Personallly I say we perk all the late-war section of fighters lightly, between 3~10 perks. However, if none of the MA favorites are ever going to be perked, then the Ki-84 should also be never perked.(and the Spit14 too).
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I dont know about all those #'s
But it was the best ride the last week of the TOD in warbirds IMO
I bet at first its unperked with the disclaimer that it soon may be..
Perk the 8x1600 pound loadout in the B-24 !!!! :D
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Perks are applied according to arena balance in terms of usage. When a certain plane is hugely overused, it becomes a perk material.
However, since overuse is usually associated with MA-competitiveness, it is therefore indirectly related to performance; if a certain plane is very powerful in terms of performance, it will be perked.
However, the irony is, most of the perked planes never went through any kind of 'test phase' until they got perked. Almost all of the perked planes were introduced as a perk plane right from the start, and their prices have hardly changed. The Spit14 is a prime example of a misapplied perk. This plane fits none of the existing perk critera. It is neither a rare plane nor a plane that is anymore 'menacing' than the planes we already have free.
The same would apply to the Ki-84. It is a very competitive plane no doubt, and its wonderful balance between speed and maneuverability will make it easily one of the most popular planes in the MA. However, we already have planes like that. The La-7 is a Tempest class plane, the P-51D is easily the best multi-role fighter in the MA, the Fw190D-9 is one of the most powerful planes since AH2, and the Bf109G-10 is virtually untouchable at alt.
With that kind of competition, perking the Ki-84 is incredibly unfair. Personallly I say we perk all the late-war section of fighters lightly, between 3~10 perks. However, if none of the MA favorites are ever going to be perked, then the Ki-84 should also be never perked.(and the Spit14 too).
ANd yet, you want to perk the ju87G if we ever get it :)
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ANd yet, you want to perk the ju87G if we ever get it
Yup. A 37mm tungsten core AP cannon with 100mm armour penetration is worth a perk.
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dont want to hijack the thread but..
the 37mm AP is worthless if you cant reach your target...
or in other words, stuka is one of the easiest planes to shoot down..
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Flyboy,
Didn't you guys already have that thread?
It isn't really needed to rehash it.
The only way I could see there being any justification in perking the Ki-84 is if it uses the best performance data and is a Ki-84-I-Otsu with four 20mm Ho-5 cannon.
Anything less and it should not be perked.