Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 63tb on October 29, 2004, 08:29:16 PM
-
Well I tried the CT for the first time tonight. There were about 20 people logged on. I got my head handed to me every time but I managed to get a few hits in. I got to fly a few planes I've never tried before - P-40s, Hurri II, Yak. I pretty much stunk with them all, but I had fun. I liked the P-40B.
I have a CT etiquette question - I came across two planes fighting it out. My first reaction was to dive right in and help so I gave a "check six" and attacked. The enemy plane broke off and turned into me. The guy I tried to help wound up helping me and shot the plane down (THX REDD). Anyway, was this the right thing to do? If you see two planes fighting it out in the CT should you join in or not. It only came to me later that these guys may have been enjoying their "knife fight". How do you know if it's ok to barge in? I could have sent him a message but he looked a bit busy to type back. What's the right thing to do?
63tb
-
You can hit the F12 key to the radio VOX and ask over the mic. But pretty much you can join in the fight. Shoot sometimes its 5 on 1 in there.. Alot of fun and at times the plane set is set up to be competitive to you knowning what your plane is good for.
The CT is a fun arena.. Come back and fly some more...
-
i'd say ask on country ch if you can and if he can answer
if i am one on one pls do not interrupt, best to stay out of icon range as not to distract anyone
... you can jump in and finish him after he shoots me down :)
-
<
> 63tb hope u come back again so u can meet my 30mm again :D :aok
-
You can hit the F12 key to the radio VOX and ask over the mic. But pretty much you can join in the fight.
Sums it up. Not a rule but its just easier to say "need a hand?". Avoids damaging any fragile egos. Eagler
j/k Eagler :D
-
Always join in if you feel like it. If your fellow countryman had a handle on things, the bad guy would have already been dead. There are a number of folks that will complain if you join a fight, but the truth is you will usually end up saving them more often than not. What can happen is you’re asked to stay out so you watch for a few minutes, two bad guys show up, your friendly dies, and then all of a sudden you are 1:3 when it could have been 2:2 had you helped clobber the guy. Or, the bad guy has a faster plane and just runs away.
If you ever see me, never ask, just jump in. Even if I’ve got a guy smoking and missing a wingtip, I won’t mind if you finish him off and get the kill.
There are a lot of great 1:1s in the CT, some last for several minutes and are a blast. Anyone who seeks them exclusively, however, should go to the DA.
eskimo
-
I agree with Eskimo, unless it is someone I know ahead of time that is having a 1 v 1 set up by them, I just jump in. After you spend some time in the CT you will get to know the guys who regularly fly there, and you will know who is likely to want you to stay out. Until then you might ask first, but most folks are like me and dont mind if you just jump right in and help.
-
simple rule in the CT.
If the con isn't dead then go ahead and jump and if he gets all pissy that you stole his kill then tell him to piss off.
-
Originally posted by Slash27
Sums it up. Not a rule but its just easier to say "need a hand?". Avoids damaging any fragile egos. Eagler
j/k Eagler :D
RFOL!!!!:rofl
Yeah, that's probably the easiest. It's what I do:
"Hey Storch, need a hand... oh, wait, was that your wing? Oh.. he's leaking fuel now... yep that was his oil. Wow, looks like his rudder, oops, his left wing tip, yep Storch, that was his right elevator, and his right wing tip, ooouu his radiator is busted, hey, he's on fire now, ooou, that looked painful... heh... I can hear him scream like a little girl with a spider in her hair all the way to the ground....
:D
-
and if your the one in the fight and you see a friendly otw, and you want to duel it out with the guy, try to quickly say your ok on range
I found myself in a good one on one awhile back, I started with advantage over the guy, he made some nice lag rolls and it developed into a scissiors fight, me Hellcat, him Seafire...
he eventually was able to saddle up on me, but at about 800 and not gaining ground
few moments later..
Fish showed up and asked if i needed a hand, I hesitated my reply, cause it was a fun fight, then said "sure", Fish came in, con never saw him and was blown away, I still feel a bit guilty for that
;) but thanks Fishy
-
Unless he has the enemy saddled up,dive in.I've never seen an enemy hesitate to interfere with MY fights,lol.
-
Hiya 63tb
Hope you had fun.
I sometimes ask , but sometimes just jump in if it looks close. Feel free to jump in anytime if you see me , that's fine.
I remember learning a lesson on this in CT early on , I stayed out of a 1 on 1 waited to see the result. My countrymate got killed so I started fighting the guy that killed him, of course, another enemy turned up, dived straight in and killed me HO in 1 pass.
I swore I'd never hesistate to jump in from then on.
-
Anyone who seeks them exclusively, however, should go to the DA.
I strongly second that;)
-
i third that...
i would like to add, tho',
anyone who actively avoids 1 v 1's should also go to the DA.
:aok
-
Glad you enjoyed your visit to the CT. Hope you come back soon and bring a friend along with a keg and a few plates of pork ribs. That tends to get the guys a little easier to talk to instead of everyone just getting pissy when you jump in on an ego fight....BUT those are extremely rare in the CT and those ribs and beer need to head to the Birmingham, AL area where we all meet for CT flights each night. Thanks for the beer and ribs.
-
Originally posted by Shane
i third that...
i would like to add, tho',
anyone who actively avoids 1 v 1's should also go to the DA.
:aok
only difference when going to the DA is you usually are in near same planes and sam alt and speed , same everything unless you make rule before hand to fly totally different setup and come in at what ever alt when you engage. As for the CT or MA even you will either have an advantage or a disadvantage and actually will have to work harder for your kill if you are the one in the disadvantage spot.
1 vs 1, 2, 3 heck sometimes 1 vs 4 or 5 is fun, but not always
sometimes it is overkill if it is more than 2 or 3 on 1 and all of them are in cherry picking mode!
a simple asking if one needs help works and shows good etiquette, try to learn to judge visually if someone is in trouble or not, usually when you ask and do not get a fairly quick reply they are in trouble and have no time to respond to you. The more you fly and see things the more aware you will become of recognizing situations.....
hope you enjoy the CT :)
-
Folks,
Thanks for the advice. I will be back to the CT !! (as soon as I put a few more rolls of duct tape on the holes in my planes - Truekill).
63tb
-
Originally posted by Redd
I sometimes ask , but sometimes just jump in if it looks close.
This is my approach, too. To the extent that there is any discernable etiquette, 2 v 1 is fine, 3 v 1 is sometimes OK (depending on the plane set), anything above that is pathetic ganging.
Opinions on this vary, of course.
- oldman
-
Originally posted by Eagler
if i am one on one pls do not interrupt, best to stay out of icon range as not to distract anyone
Lol. When I see Eagler, I just pass on by, knowing that within a short time his victim will be toast.
- oldman
-
Oh yeah, I forgot one very important detail 63tb:
NEVER EVER help Oldman. :)
-
What Redd said!!
63tb, please feel free to join in if ya see me...i`m usually the chasee not the chaser:)
-
Welcome to the CT.
I would be among those who suggest that when you come upon a 1v1 away from the rest of the fight, it's very simple -- and almost universally appreciated -- to give a quick "need help?" over vox or text.
Splash1
-
Splash has the best handle in the CT, becasue if there is water on the map he'll spend most of his online time swimming in it! :D
-
Glad you enjoyed it 63tb. CT is my favorite place besides the Squad Operations on Friday night.
The guy I tried to help wound up helping me and shot the plane down (THX REDD). Anyway, was this the right thing to do? If you see two planes fighting it out in the CT should you join in or not.
Most don't mind if you jump right in, but I have had some get angry with me. I don't usually ask, but on occasion I might. I really don't remember who gets angry because I don't pay any attention most of the time.
-
as for "jumping in" i'd say it kind of depends on the situation. if your friendly is apparently in control of the engagement and there are other bad guys inbound, then jumping in might not be the best choice.
even if no other baddys around, have you ever considered it might be taking away the fun for the two engaged? over time you'll figure out who's most likely to need the help and who might not be.
if your friendly seems to be needing the help, by all means clear him as soon as you can, especially if other baddys are coming (this doesn't mean doing bnz extend 5k and reverse passes - this only gets your friendly most likely dead with the waste of time)
if there are already 2 or 3 friendlies on a baddy, then why would you feel the need to jump in? in this case it'd merely be overkill.
-
Originally posted by Shane
as for "jumping in" i'd say it kind of depends on the situation. if your friendly is apparently in control of the engagement and there are other bad guys inbound, then jumping in might not be the best choice.
even if no other baddys around, have you ever considered it might be taking away the fun for the two engaged? over time you'll figure out who's most likely to need the help and who might not be.
if your friendly seems to be needing the help, by all means clear him as soon as you can, especially if other baddys are coming (this doesn't mean doing bnz extend 5k and reverse passes - this only gets your friendly most likely dead with the waste of time)
if there are already 2 or 3 friendlies on a baddy, then why would you feel the need to jump in? in this case it'd merely be overkill.
and people slam this guy, for not helping, or not giving tips or teaching others...........good tips Shane
-
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
and people slam this guy, for not helping, or not giving tips or teaching others...........good tips Shane
Yeah, kind of a Jeckle-and-Hyde sort of a guy. I haven't figured him out ... and I'm sure that's just the way he intends it.
But people don't slam him for "not giving tips or teaching others."
:rolleyes:
Oh... and VWE is right. If there's water on the map you'll likely find me swimming in it soon enough. Be looking for you next time a PTO setup rolls around.
:D
Splash1
-
Originally posted by Dennis
"
:rolleyes:
you see them rolling eyes above there Dennis, or Splash1 or who ever you are!
take em and shove them where the sun don't shine
if you have ever noticed some of the text fights and flames back and forth between some and Shane then you would know that the opposite is true and he has been slammed in a sense for the way he supposedly offers help
so :p
-
even if no other baddys around, have you ever considered it might be taking away the fun for the two engaged?
Hmmm, I think that's why I started this thread.
63tb
-
I would say engage only if it meets the global test....
kidding...
-
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you see them rolling eyes above there Dennis, or Splash1 or who ever you are!
take em and shove them where the sun don't shine
if you have ever noticed some of the text fights and flames back and forth between some and Shane then you would know that the opposite is true and he has been slammed in a sense for the way he supposedly offers help
so :p
Ouch. Mighty severe response there, chaser.
I've been around the CT long enough to observe many facets of Shane.
The flames back and forth that I've seen are generally as a result of Shane calling others names, particularly when he gets shot down, and the recipients of his insults not taking it very well.
Perhaps his name-calling is his way of helping, and you see it that way, as well? I don't.
I have, once or twice, seen him offer honest advice in the text buffer, without an associated slam. ... But I think most of his well-intended assistance probably comes in the DA, not the CT -- which is what this thread was about, I thought.
Nevertheless, I don't want to pollute 63tb's thread with a hijack on Shane's manners or lack thereof.
His most recent response is pretty much in line with what I posted on 63's question above.
When you encounter a 1v1 away from the crowd in the CT, it's just a good idea to ask before diving in to offer 'assistance.' The other friendly might not feel he needs it, and you could be spoiling his fun. Just ask. No biggie.
Again, 63, welcome to the CT. It's generally a fun place to play.
Splash1
-
I'd say just do what you feel is best, dont worry about the rest. For myself, as long as I am high enough above or far enough away from an ongoing 1v1 I will usually just circle the fight and watch. If the guy on my side gets into trouble and he asks for help, I'll dive in, but otherwise its his fight and I leave them to it. If the bad guy wins I'll give him a second to get himself level and take a breath and then I'll jump in on him. If its a furball, or if the guy from my side is outnumbered, I go in full throttle and WEP and try to shake any bogies off his tail before jumping into the fight. I dont worry about taking time to saddle up on the target in that case, I just zoom in at the best speed I can manage and try to put the bullets close enough that he will see them and break off. Then I'll climb out and start fighting.
I guess what I'm sayin is, you will see several tips on how to approach the situation you described. It all boils down to fly how you like and how your conscience dictates. When you learn how to salute someone and flip them off at the same time, you'll fit right in. :D