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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on October 29, 2004, 11:11:22 PM
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I think it is, guys who cheat on there women suck.
I have never nor would I ever.
It comes up here and then someone comes up with, well you guys do it to...(politics).
I do not care whose side you are on politically; cheating on your women is wrong and shows a lack of character.
Also is it important to you that your friend and or our political leaders refrain from this?
It is to me, that is my biggest problem with Clinton (or any other politico that cheats). It shows a lack of integrity I want my leaders to be men of honor and character. (I know I am dreaming)
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Well sometimes life is complicated, and yea it is wrong and all. But that whole instinct to procreate can be a hell of a force.
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Never say never. Different strokes for different folks. Whatever variation there is of human conduct, some society somewhere probably has tried it sometime.
If there is any universal human tenet, it might boil down to: Do no harm. Which naturally some people immediately caveat to: Well, as little as possible, anyway.
Guidelines like the Ten Commandments probably evolve primarily to keep the human race from killing itself off. Hopefully based on common sense, proven survival practices, reasonably attainable consensus, and even divine guidance.
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Men do not have to think with there dicks.
I see hot chicks all the time and sure I look but I woulnt cheat.
I am sure I could with a couple of broads at work.
You want to spread you semen, stay single.
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Halo
Are you married or have a girl friend?
I am not talking about human society, just US mostly or western.
Would you want some guy ****ing your girl? Would she want you ****ing around? You want your leaders do those types of things?
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I guess you haven't met Jack Daniels yet - he's a bad influence...
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This stuff can really hurt someone.
One of my best buddies cought his **** potato whife ****ing one of his best friend, a childhood budy.
He changed, it had long lasting effects and I doubt he will ever be truely the funny and fun loving guy he was. He just lost something after that.
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A glance at just a few current book and movie titles is only the latest affirmation that cheating is rarely a good idea.
Really good ideas are birth control and marriage to bring only wanted children into the world and into a family that can provide for them. Spreading seed indiscriminately is irresponsible.
Cheating in anything means one partner has violated whatever agreement the two people have made. Which nullifies that agreement.
What happens afterward is up to the two partners to work out.
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I have Tweety
But never enough were I would voilate my personal code. I could not live with myself if I did.
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Cheat on your wife... ... lack of discipline, ethics, morals, commitment, respect. People can invent all the rationalization in the world for cheating... to me it's just the prattling of the morally weak.
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I agree Steve.
I was shocked when my buddies whife tried to stay friends with us. I had a VERY hard time not calling her a potato. She clearly was one.
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I aint saying it is right or "moral" but sins of the flesh are part of being human (otherwise we'd have not needed a savior). So, if the point here is to judge humans, well there's a quote in the Bible for that - think it say "never say never" or "so shall you judge, so shall you be judged" or somethin...
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It is to me, that is my biggest problem with Clinton (or any other politico that cheats). It shows a lack of integrity I want my leaders to be men of honor and character. (I know I am dreaming)
Clinton didn't cheat on a woman, he cheated on Hillary.
I always thought of her as a real life version of something you'd see in an episode of South Park...
On that same token, I think Clinton's was a clear case of a desperate guy pulling one of those 'he wanted to get caught' moves. Poor guy didn't know the tactic only would only make her stronger in the end.
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Clinton would have gone down in the books as a pretty good president.
Now he will only go down as the one who got impeached for a blow job.
The dumb **** blew his legacy, pun intended.
Thats sad.
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Well if you're going to get bent out of shape because some person fell into lust, stay away from history books - its laden with them - Popes, Presidents, kings, and prophets.
No ones says its right, but most should understand how easy it is to cave to instinct.
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Bull****e, Tweety. We're talking about duty- if you can't fulfill the commitment then don't make it.
I don't want to share this about myself, necessarily, because it'll seem like I'm bragging, but- I'm a pretty studly guy. Basically, chicks dig me- but I understand they're drawn by raw animal magnitism towards me, and I know most women see me as a sex object and only wish for the physical copulation only I can provide in their otherwise dull and empty lives.
However, I refrain from spreading the sexual ecstacy only I can provide to the women who lust after me- I refrain because of the commitment I have to my wife of over 20 years, the woman who has pledged her monogamy to me, and me to her- has carried us through, thick and thin, for our whole relationship.
If you hooked up with a woman you feel it's OK to cheat on, well-
I guess it sucks to be you, and it definately sucks to be her.
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Well, if you want to get biblical, fine: Adultery is an abomination, go straight to hell, do not collect $200.00.
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I've always wanted you Airhead. It's not just women that are attracted to you.
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You had me on the hook till you got to "studly" :D
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>>Well, if you want to get biblical, fine: Adultery is an abomination, go straight to hell, do not collect $200.00.
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You need to get BibleII - also known as the New Testament. There is redemption.
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LOL Well we're all laughing, but the correct response is- NO. There is no justification for cheating, PERIOD. It is flat out wrong.
Sorry Tweety, but I calls em like i sees em.
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But it isn't your call, and that is an important lesson in the Bible.
Edit:
Where its Christian to say "Adultry is wrong and you will be judged by Christ for it" it is not Christian to say "Adulty is wrong and you will go to hell for it."
Just as Saul became Paul, no man understands the works of God.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
But it isn't your call, and that is an important lesson in the Bible.
LOL Not my call?!? Indeed Tweety, but it IS my call not to commit adultry, in spity of the thousands of women who want to bed me down. And uh... I'm not perticularly religious, but I thought morality was an important Biblical lesson?
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I shoulda made my edit a new post :(
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Cheating means 1 thing- you broke your promise
Does'nt matter if your Married or not
If you have a agreement beforehand, it's not cheating, it's swinging
And having been cheated upon in the past, it's wrong to cheat
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>>in spity of the thousands of women who want to bed me down. <<
If you had less than 2000 post I might believe more :D
Hell, I got over a 1000 so I aint getting much action either...
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I bet all the guys here who say people who cheat suck, are all ****ing ugly and never get hit on by dip**** homely chicks, let alone incredible hotties.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I do not care whose side you are on politically; cheating on your women is wrong and shows a lack of character.
Agreed. WTF is wrong with these horrid cheaters? I would never cheat on my women... only three left... don't want to lose them. :D
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It's complex. It ALWAYS hurts people unless perhaps theres a general breakdown in the relationship anyway.
Doesn't matter how we rationalise it, if theres a commitment and especiallly growing kids it's wrong. If you have no kids and havn't made a commitment to someone, marriage or not, go ahead you only hurt the two of you!
I am fairly Liberal and not an American, but I WAS put off Clinton by all athat Monica stuff. Besides anything, it's so undignified!
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Now you wouildn't get President Bartlet s****ing an intern:D
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Cheating is cheating....I guess the lamest "excuse" I heard was from a coworker who was gawking at a recent new hire. Another coworker reminded him he's married to which he responded "She married me, I didnt marry her" :rolleyes:
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Monogamy is realtive rarity in most animal spicies. My guess is that it is a learned behaviour in humans. It's a moral guideline we've imposed upon ourselves for whatever reasons. And we live with it. My personal sentiments are similar to those of Airhead, however i fear it could in large margin bore down to an ammount of hormmones we produce...
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Ah yes, the 7th commandment. I've broken it from both sides, and have no regrets.
It's all down to circumstances. If you're in a dead marriage, it's perfectly natural. I went off with another woman - Suzanne - after my marriage was over in all but name. I was with Suzanne for 5 years (and still very good friends after 9+ years) and felt no urge to cheat. Of course, I felt bad because the marriage was ending. But as for whether I felt guilt about the actual relationship with Suzanne, I felt none. And that's the test - if you feel NO guilt, it's already over with the wife/first woman.
As my divorce lawyer remarked, as we discussed matters: "In my experience, infidelity is not the CAUSE of marital breakdown, but the RESULT of marital breakdown.
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Let's see betray your wife, and risk destroying your children's family for some tang.
If a person is capable of completely betraying those who are closest to him, his own blood and family, then I don't think there's much he's not capable of.
I have a theory, parents that get caught cheating on their spouse have kids that cheat. (Dad/Mom is the greatest in the world, and he/she made some "mistakes")
That's why one of my first questions is "so.. folks still together?"
From what I've seen of the married women at work and when I went to school, I've become rather cynical when it comes to marriage.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I guess you haven't met Jack Daniels yet - he's a bad influence...
how true
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Adultery isn't always a horrible thing. It's never good, but isn't always that bad. Sometimes I can understand it.
Rampant promiscuity is ALWAYS a terrible thing, married or not.
The two are not the same.
"Men do not have to think with there dicks. " -- GtoRA2
So true, but I'm afraid your point will likely be lost in today's world of self-gratification at all costs.
I apply it both ways. Women who act slutty are as bad as their male "player" counterparts. I for one don't find such a woman attractive or sexy in any way. A woman needs some class to appeal to me; acting like a prostitite isn't classy.
J_A_B
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GtoRA2, you are coming off like men are the only ones to commit adultry. Not so.
You are also coming off like you are the great protector and overseer of women, yet in post after post you have some very unflattering terminoligy and pet names for the female gender.
I`m guessing someone did the ole backseat bop with your gal or wife while you were busy doing more important things, huh?
"Who`s making love to your old lady while you were out making love"
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That's a pretty sophisticated view, J_A_B. Life is more complicated than black and white choices and judgments, as appealling as that simplicity may appear. Refusal to recognize shades of grey can lead to discord and discomfort, or worse -disaster. So while I can say its always wrong according the the letter of the law, case by case my judgement may vary.
Personally I have decided that honor and integrity do not necessarily indicate how effective a political leader will be. Clinton no doubt behaved in a personally sleazy manner yet I think his leadership style was effective in the Presidency. Certainly they were my best economic years; the middle classes' situation and prospects seemed better off at the end of his term than at the beginning.
Closer to home, Jesse Ventura was a one-term governor who won office on a wave of popularity partly due to his celebrity, but also due to his bold, tell-it-like-it-is non-partisan, non-political personality. Here was a man of honor and integrity, an outsider, who was against all insiders. After a popular year or two, his critics and the media got the best of him, and his goodwill was spent. The remainder of his term degenerated into one big catfight between his office, the state legislature, and the media. It was a shame, but I think it showed he lacked certain qualities characteristic of effective leaders.
General Sir Douglas Haig of the BEF in WWI may have been a man of integity and honor, but his steadfast leadership in the Battle of the Somme was nothing short of a catastrophe for the British. He marched his 750,000 troops into the teeth of well-fortified German positions in the summer of 1916 and took 58,000 casualities in the first day alone. Undeterred, he continued to attack throughtou the next few months. In the end, the British lost some 420,000 men for 12 measly km of territory. Here, the ability to objectively look at the situation and change tactics if required could've saved thousands of lives.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`m guessing someone did the ole backseat bop with your gal or wife while you were busy doing more important things, huh?
"Who`s making love to your old lady while you were out making love"
You're an ***.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
He just lost something after that.
his soul, a part of his soul.
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Originally posted by Steve
Cheat on your wife... ... lack of discipline, ethics, morals, commitment, respect. People can invent all the rationalization in the world for cheating... to me it's just the prattling of the morally weak.
ding ding ding ding ding
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As a child, my family was split up by my father cheating on my mother when i was about 11. They still do not speak to one another and i am now 21.
I would NEVER cheat on my wife - should i get married. With my parents divorce i feel like i lost my dad, although he is always there for me if i need him it is never the same if you are not living with them. He married the woman he had an affair with and they are still together.
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I have never "cheated" on my wife of 38 years nor do I intend to ever do so. I made a promise. I intend to keep it. I do beleive however that there are different situations for different people. I beleive something has gone awry with the marriage for it to happen in the first place. I can understand how I could possibly fall into such a situation myself though I never intend to do so at this point in time.
Moraly I beleive it's wrong regardless of the circumstances. We are humans though and weak. I suppose I would have to walk in the shoes of someone who was an adulterer before I felt I could pass judgement on them.
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Adultery, like abortion, is wrong in it's most basic sense. However, we as a society have made the determination that both are acceptable, so my opinion is that I will never participate in either, and I will base my personal opinions of other people on how they behave in respect to both.
In short, it is not my job to make you be good; it is also not my obligation to hold respect for you, either.
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Originally posted by Steve
Cheat on your wife... ... lack of discipline, ethics, morals, commitment, respect. People can invent all the rationalization in the world for cheating... to me it's just the prattling of the morally weak.
cheating isnt right
But sometimes there are extenuating circumstances
What if your significant other has shut down and stop putting out for months and/or sometimes years at a time?
That also is a violation of commitment and respect.
Personally while I feel cheating in general is wrong, I feel no sympathy whatsoever for those people male or female, who have cut their partner off then get upset when that partner cheats.
Its easy to say "just leave the relationship then"
FAR easier to say then do. particularly when there are other considerations to take into account.
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just go into a relationship expecting it will happen.
american women are loose :)
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Dred, I'm assuming the relationship is somewhere near normal.
A spouse who has "cut off" the needs of the other for whatever amount of time is considered unbearable is a candidate for divorce.
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american women are loose
Ya, I'm grateful for that. Oddly, the Brit women I've been with have been about the same, except they were even more appreciative of my American meat puppet, compared to the diminuative Brit party franks they had been used to.
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Originally posted by Steve
Ya, I'm grateful for that. Oddly, the Brit women I've been with have been about the same, except they were even more appreciative of my American meat puppet, compared to the diminuative Brit party franks they had been used to.
Funny, I noticed that about brit women too. It must be the climate.
It's worth while if you can get past the bad teeth.
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Jackal1
You pinhead, no I have never been cheated on.
And yes women can be just as bad.
now go back to highschool and let the adults talk.
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there's nothing that makes it OK. if you want to sleep with someone else you can do it real simply, just call up your wife and tell her you're through being married to her first.
I don't get it. I've known quite a few guys over the years who wouldn't break any rule or company policy for any reason, they won't got 1 mph over the speed limit, then they turn around and betray the one person who is supposed to always be on their side. plus how do you manage to go to sleep next to a person who would likely kill you in your sleep if they found you out?
I work out of town a lot, and have had plenty of opportunity to cheat but never did. one thing that always occurred to me was that any time I was away from my wife and having the opportunity to cheat she was away from me too. my being faithful is no guarantee that she will but it keeps me from looking like a hypocrite if I ever were to find my self playing the part of outraged and indignant husband.
as far as politicians, it does make me think less of them(not that I really think much of any of them to start with). a sure sign of a character deficiency.
however, I don't look to politicians as leaders. I look at it more as someone who I hire to hire the daily business of our country.
I don't have to respect them if they do a good job at it. I wouldn't want them as a friend. I have no interest in personal relationships with them.
but if they do their job well they get my vote, business is business.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I don't have to respect them if they do a good job at it. I wouldn't want them as a friend. I have no interest in personal relationships with them.
but if they do their job well they get my vote, business is business.
You don't think morals and ethics come into play in leadership? You don't think that if you don't respect them, others won't either?
How can you rely on someone to make the decisions in YOUR best interest, when he's shown ethically that he'll betray someone he's pledged his trust to if it serves himself?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
This stuff can really hurt someone.
One of my best buddies cought his **** potato whife ****ing one of his best friend, a childhood budy.
He changed, it had long lasting effects and I doubt he will ever be truely the funny and fun loving guy he was. He just lost something after that.
I was shocked when my buddies whife tried to stay friends with us. I had a VERY hard time not calling her a potato. She clearly was one.
I notice you've said nothing derogatory about his childhood buddy. Both are equally guilty in my eyes. Think about it, one of his best friends knew how much he loved his wife, yet decided to **** his wife behind his back.
No wonder your buddy is screwed up. He was ****** up by both his wife and his best friend.
Curious, are you and your buddy still friends with that "best friend" as well?
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Curious, are you and your buddy still friends with that "best friend" as well?
I supposed the quotes around "best friend" are a telling point :).
I have had few friends in life, I can basically count them on one hand but have had a lot of aquaintances...it doesn't seem to me that "best friend" was a friend at all.
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SaburoS
I was not friends with the guy. I was with the wife.
He is scum, and they were both just as guilty, my admission was because we were never friends.
I would not have controlled my tongue had he tried to be after. All of my buddies friends who new this scumbag treated him just like the wife, basicaly not speaking to them.
My buddie no longer speak to this guy... it's pretty much killed his friendship with all the childhood friends, because they all though what he did to my buddie was horrible. (the scum not my buddie, everyone tried to be as supportive as of my friend as possible)
Oddly he tried to stay friends with them all and didnt understand why no one talked to him. I gues scum bags do not know they are one?
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Everyone cheats.
If you think that your wife wouldnt do it if she got the chance, then you need your head examined.
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I think it's okay if only cheated on you wife with that stacked 20 year old from purchasing named Susan. Besides that it's wrong.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Everyone cheats.
If you think that your wife wouldnt do it if she got the chance, then you need your head examined.
That says more about you than everyone else's wife.
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You fools can keep on living in "lala land" with the belife "NOT MY WIFE".
If she gets a good setup, she will do it.
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It sounds as if your having some doubts in your relationship with your wife GTO. Tell us some things about it and about these women you are sure you could cheat with at work. You will feel better if you let it all out.
The New Guy
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Some people are not trailer trash Maniac.
You are absolutely right trailer trash will do it every time. I am sure you would have acted in a Porno film as well if anyone had offered you the chance (and your dick was 7" longer).
Not everyone is willing to betray those they love. Not everyone is in a loveless marrage. Not everyone thinks that the good looking collegue getting drunk with them at a company event is better than what they have at home.
And not everyone married the first person stupid enough to sleep with them either.
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Originally posted by Maniac
If she gets a good setup, she will do it.
Prove it.
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Originally posted by Maniac
You fools can keep on living in "lala land" with the belife "NOT MY WIFE".
If she gets a good setup, she will do it.
Maybe in your trailer park.
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obviously nobody can be completely sure their partner is faithful. however I've made it over 20 years without cheating, so the idea of "everybody cheats" is just crap.
sounds like something a guy tells himself to make it easier to live with something he did (or something she did).
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Originally posted by Maniac
Everyone cheats.
If you think that your wife wouldnt do it if she got the chance, then you need your head examined.
The way you make it sound, it's like everyone man and every woman is just a ticking time bomb, ready to explode into an orgy of extramarital activity.
Either you're in a bad mood, coming off a bad breakup stemming from just such an event or you're just tragically unlucky. Maybe you're a victim of unrequited love. Maybe you're a product of a broken home... Who knows... Whatever it is, this has got to be one of the saddest statements I've ever heard...
True love and undying loyalty does exist, even the age of internet porn, .com billionaires and MTV... True love, where one views their life as less valuable than that of his/her loved one, is a timeless thing. I need look no further than my parents to see this--two people who've been through hell together, sometimes, because of each other...
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Jackal1
You pinhead, no I have never been cheated on.
And yes women can be just as bad.
now go back to highschool and let the adults talk.
:D Hit a nerve huh?
BTW, you missed the high school thing by about 34 years Junior.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
:D Hit a nerve huh?
BTW, you missed the high school thing by about 34 years Junior.
He was suggesting you go back and finish, Sr.
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Originally posted by Martlet
He was suggesting you go back and finish, Sr.
I`d suggest you might want to go clean your cave and get a grip.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`d suggest you might want to go clean your cave and get a grip.
A grip on what? Your rudeness?
Back to your trailer park, rube.
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Some things are better left alone, and not to be discussed/thinked of, if you want to stay happy...
Meaning of life.
Death.
Cheating.
Ignorance is bliss :aok
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Originally posted by Maniac
Ignorance is bliss :aok
Wow. You take the liberal creed into all aspects of your life.
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Im bored so i'll chime in...
cheating is so wrong there are almost no words for it. you give someone trust, and they betray it.
i call BS to those new age shrinks that say "you can work through this, and mend the ties that bond" if you truly want to continue the relationship, and trust the other person again you are blinding yourself, lying to yourself, and hiding from the truth.
myself, i was cheated on once, by my ex. she said they only kissed, then she left and i reluctantly let it go and moved on wit the relationship. after the relationship obviously ended i learned the truth. she cheated 2 other times later on, and there was a "friend" that knew about this. he was torn up the last 6 months of the relationship about needing to tell me, but knowing full well what it would do.
he told me after it ended, and i was crushed. i was pised at him for not telling me earlier, but that was insignificant to the actual cheating.
i have a hard time trusting any woman would not cheat, and look suspiciously on any woman that is pubically flirty. why is she like that? is she looking for a better deal? is she looking for attention? what happens if she gets attention from those actions?
the morals of a person really show the true nature of their soul IMHO. a cheater is a decietful lying slug, not to be trusted with blunt objects in a padded room.
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Maybe we can get some Mormon polygamists to chime in :D
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This is a really charged issue. Always has been and always will.... .
I'm 36 yrs old. been single my whole life (by choice) and have done more than my fair share of sleeping around, but never when I've been exclusively dating someone. To me it's a matter of pride. I can look myself in the mirror and say "I'm an honest man". I'm not perfect but I can truly say that I'm an honest man.
But, I HAVE been cheated on. It's sucks and it really get me worked up. It's hard to think rationally, at those times, that it's not some kind of problem with yourself but a problem the women has with her own self-esteem or integrity. That she has honesty issues... and I know that this is gonna sound corny but she will have to live with herself... in the long run she is gonna have to look HERSELF in the mirror and judge what she thinks of herself.
I would rather be cheated on than have to face that.
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Cheating happens all the time, Maniac is right "ignorance is bliss".
Its also worth pointing out cheating as discussed here is more of a social attitude learned. There are some minor biological drivers towards jealousy, but there are plenty of examples of non-monogamus societies that work well.
We are in essense animals, and there are forces that drive us that we understand but sometimes cannot control.
If you think your wife will not cheat on your because of a wedding ring, marriage certificate, agreement, or a collection of boring novelletes hastily thrown together and called the bible... then you've got a nasty shock coming. None of those reasons will stop her, what will stop her is love (I'd also point out that biologically speaking someone deeply in love stops shopping around - so I mean love in an emotional and biological sense).
As for me cheating... my wife made me promise if I found a hot looking chick to shag that I bring her home ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
cheating isnt right
But sometimes there are extenuating circumstances
What if your significant other has shut down and stop putting out for months and/or sometimes years at a time?
That also is a violation of commitment and respect.
Now you are talking about a whole different issue here. There is something more basic wrong with the relationship if this is happening. You should try to fix this problem before creating more problems by stepping outside the bounds of the marriage and committing adultery.
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Let me rephrase ;)
Everyone is capable of cheating. Doesnt matter if you are a man or woman. If either get a good setup the chance is 50/50 if it will happen.
This is the womens (is that a word?) idea of exitement. If they get bored, pissed off, not appriciated etc etc then this is their idea of exitment/revenge/payback...
More women then men always look for something better then they currently have...
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I see hot chicks all the time and sure I look but I woulnt cheat
Gtora2,you have sinned just by looking,now go pluck your eyes out
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Originally posted by Maniac
Everyone is capable of cheating. Doesnt matter if you are a man or woman. If either get a good setup the chance is 50/50 if it will happen.
Wow. 50% chance you'll break your vows huh? Not saying much for your own integrity there bud.
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I was sitting at a restaurant with my wife when this goddess walked past the table. She would have made anyone turn and look... trust me.
My wife looked at me and said "You'd leave me for her wouldn't you?"
I said "No honey..... I'd kill you for her."
badum bum.
Just kidding... never cheated, never will.
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Originally posted by mosgood
Wow. 50% chance you'll break your vows huh? Not saying much for your own integrity there bud.
When you've had a few drinks with the boys, and a hot, gorgeous 20 year old stripper is writhing naked in your lap... integrity is not a word in your vocabulary.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
When you've had a few drinks with the boys, and a hot, gorgeous 20 year old stripper is writhing naked in your lap... integrity is not a word in your vocabulary.
Theres so many different scenarios that would make you go : "Too hell with it". And you go thru with it...
It doesnt have to be the more extreme scenarios "20 year old stripper on your lap".
Atleast when you try to lay down a girl that has a man allready, its quite easy... Flattery, alcohole, decicivness (sp?) and location will do it for you.
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"When you've had a few drinks with the boys, and a hot, gorgeous 20 year old stripper is writhing naked in your lap... integrity is not a word in your vocabulary."
Well if you're the kind of person who gets drunk with the boys and has strippers naked in his lap despite being involved with someone, then I have no doubt that you'd have little hesitation when invited to go one step further. And, true enough, if you're that kind of person, then you do indeed lack integrity. At least you're right about something.
For the record, I don't drink OR carouse with strippers. But then, to use the phrase GtoRA2 coined...I don't "think with my dick".
Honestly, I pity people who have to go to strippers. Must be a sad life when you have to pay for normal human companionship.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"When you've had a few drinks with the boys, and a hot, gorgeous 20 year old stripper is writhing naked in your lap... integrity is not a word in your vocabulary."
Well if you're the kind of person who gets drunk with the boys and has strippers naked in his lap despite being involved with someone, then I have no doubt that you'd have little hesitation when invited to go one step further. And, true enough, if you're that kind of person, then you do indeed lack integrity. At least you're right about something.
For the record, I don't drink OR carouse with strippers. But then, to use the phrase GtoRA2 coined...I don't "think with my dick".
Honestly, I pity people who have to go to strippers. Must be a sad life when you have to pay for normal human companionship.
J_A_B
You sound like a dull person J_A_B, be carefull, your wife may be cheating on ya mate!
;)
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Originally posted by Neubob
Clinton didn't cheat on a woman, he cheated on Hillary.
Who did Guiliani cheat on? He wasn't the slightest bit ashamed of making a public show of the woman he was banging - while still married.
"nothing to see here, my fellow GOPers...move along, move along...."
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"When you've had a few drinks with the boys, and a hot, gorgeous 20 year old stripper is writhing naked in your lap... integrity is not a word in your vocabulary."
Well if you're the kind of person who gets drunk with the boys and has strippers naked in his lap despite being involved with someone, then I have no doubt that you'd have little hesitation when invited to go one step further. And, true enough, if you're that kind of person, then you do indeed lack integrity. At least you're right about something.
For the record, I don't drink OR carouse with strippers. But then, to use the phrase GtoRA2 coined...I don't "think with my dick".
Honestly, I pity people who have to go to strippers. Must be a sad life when you have to pay for normal human companionship.
J_A_B
The last three times I visited strip clubs my wife was with me ;)
How old are you out of curiosity? (not a jab at your age, more a question in relationship to generational attitudes)
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Humans are more then just animals.
for you guys trying to justify cheating, what justifications for other broken promises do you have?
Does your word mean nothing to you?
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"How old are you out of curiosity? "
How old do you think I am? Lets hear the theory before I give the answer, just for fun.
For the record, J_A_B is:
Happily married
Never slept with anyone other than his wife, likewise her with me
Drives a Buick
Pevious car was a Cadillac.
Wife drives a Grand Marquis and a Lincoln before that
Has no debt
Doesn't believe in credit cards
Pays with cash
Mostly watches TV-Land if anything at all
Doesn't drink or smoke
My parents are in their 80's
Hates modern fashion
Wears glasses, hates contacts
NOT a member of the AARP.
J_A_B
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Younger than I expected JAB ;)
GtoRA2
Humans are more then just animals.
for you guys trying to justify cheating, what justifications for other broken promises do you have?
Does your word mean nothing to you?
Justifying it? Hmmm... no just saying we're human, subject to all sorts of urges and chemicals we don't understand. Actually I've never cheated on my wife. But I think you guys are out of touch with reality if you expect other people to live such perfect lives.
One day humanity will come crashing down on you.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
The last three times I visited strip clubs my wife was with me ;)
edit: changed my mind.
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Originally posted by Martlet
edit: changed my mind.
Well I hope that for the love of God you exchanged it for one that works :lol
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And I wondering what the blue book value was :D
(sorry to pile on :))
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Originally posted by Steve
Ya, I'm grateful for that. Oddly, the Brit women I've been with have been about the same, except they were even more appreciative of my American meat puppet, compared to the diminuative Brit party franks they had been used to.
OK OK Steve grab the glass cleaner my monitor is covered in coffee thanks alot.
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This is a very sad fact.
im 22 in 12 days.
in my life of sexualy activity i have had roughly 6 relationships that lasted over a month.
of these six only one girl did not cheat on me.
im not a bad guy, infact im reasonable looking and a wonderfull (i'd like to think) caring partner. I buy flowers, i spend time with em, i love them like no other could.
but, the simple fact is, if a woman feels comfortable with the relationship, she becomes bored. when she becomes bored she gets horny for something else. the rest is obvious. I'm sure its the same in males.
IMO, Cheating is the lowest form of conduct any person can indulge in.
Cheating and ending the relationship is one thing, but to continue a relationship after the cheating, or even during it is the most disgusting thing i can think of. Imagine your munching the muff and you dont realise that another guy has been pounding it in the last 24 hours. I would want to kill or at least seriously maim both parties if i found out.
If i actually cuaght my misses with a stranger in my bed i would go to prison for double homicide.
I pay her bills, i look after her and give her my heart.
toejamking beatch!
death to all cheaters.
the worst is single folk who find it a turn on to sleep with a married woman/man.
if you want mucho poontang, stay single.
i have never, will never, dont ever want to commit this offence.
im not religeous.
my parents are divorced, and it hurt me like nothing else.
i will never put my kids through that hell.
If you're lucky enought o find a partner that is faithfull, NEVER treat this lightly. most people get one chance at true love. some not at all.
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Originally posted by mechanic
This is a very sad fact.
im 22 in 12 days.
in my life of sexualy activity i have had roughly 6 relationships that lasted over a month.
of these six only one girl did not cheat on me.
im not a bad guy, infact im reasonable looking and a wonderfull (i'd like to think) caring partner. I buy flowers, i spend time with em, i love them like no other could.
but, the simple fact is, if a woman feels comfortable with the relationship, she becomes bored. when she becomes bored she gets horny for something else. the rest is obvious. I'm sure its the same in males.
IMO, Cheating is the lowest form of conduct any person can indulge in.
Cheating and ending the relationship is one thing, but to continue a relationship after the cheating, or even during it is the most disgusting thing i can think of. Imagine your munching the muff and you dont realise that another guy has been pounding it in the last 24 hours. I would want to kill or at least seriously maim both parties if i found out.
If i actually cuaght my misses with a stranger in my bed i would go to prison for double homicide.
I pay her bills, i look after her and give her my heart.
toejamking beatch!
death to all cheaters.
the worst is single folk who find it a turn on to sleep with a married woman/man.
if you want mucho poontang, stay single.
i have never, will never, dont ever want to commit this offence.
im not religeous.
my parents are divorced, and it hurt me like nothing else.
i will never put my kids through that hell.
If you're lucky enought o find a partner that is faithfull, NEVER treat this lightly. most people get one chance at true love. some not at all.
I have some advice that might help you.
Date older women.
LOL I don't mean the ones on medi-care but you say your 22?
Well maybe look at a girl thats 27-30?
chances are she is tiered of the game playing as well.
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Ummm if I score two chicks in a 3some which one am I cheating on (assume neither of them are my wife)?
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And women never cheat on men? If you believe this, you have a lot to learn. In my earlier days (20s-30s) almost ALL of my friends wives have hit on me or blantently asked for sex. I was single then and didn't touch a one, now they don't like me because they stuck their neck out there and I had more respect for my friends then their wives. And I lost respect for their women, therefore I lost most my friends from those days. Because of the woman.
OTOH, if a guy is cheating, who is he cheating with a single woman or a married one? 50% percent of the time the woman he's cheating with is married, which of course makes it her cheating too.
Women are just as big of cut throats, they just hide it better. Women are dogs too, and that's reality.
Originally posted by GtoRA2
I think it is, guys who cheat on there women suck.
I have never nor would I ever.
It comes up here and then someone comes up with, well you guys do it to...(politics).
I do not care whose side you are on politically; cheating on your women is wrong and shows a lack of character.
Also is it important to you that your friend and or our political leaders refrain from this?
It is to me, that is my biggest problem with Clinton (or any other politico that cheats). It shows a lack of integrity I want my leaders to be men of honor and character. (I know I am dreaming)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I think it is, guys who cheat on there women suck.
I have never nor would I ever.
It comes up here and then someone comes up with, well you guys do it to...(politics).
I do not care whose side you are on politically; cheating on your women is wrong and shows a lack of character.
Also is it important to you that your friend and or our political leaders refrain from this?
It is to me, that is my biggest problem with Clinton (or any other politico that cheats). It shows a lack of integrity I want my leaders to be men of honor and character. (I know I am dreaming)
I wonder what brought all this on......
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Well I hope that for the love of God you exchanged it for one that works :lol
Changed, not exchanged.
You must be that one child left behind Hanoi John was always talking about.
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We are men. We think with our dicks.
Women are the ones who relish in perpetrating this, so why shouldn't we behave like they expect us to?!?!?!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Humans are more then just animals.
I guess we try to be.
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Schaden
What brought it on was me thinking about a very good friend, who after 4 years is a changed man.
His whife cheated on him with his best budy and he just never went back to the guy he was.
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Originally posted by wombatt
OK OK Steve grab the glass cleaner my monitor is covered in coffee thanks alot.
LOL! Hahahahah! It's pry the funniest thing I ever read too! I needed a hose to wash off my monitor! Wow! TeeHee! Took you 2 months to get it and punt the tread but thanks because I may have missed it! That was so funnay! S!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Schaden
What brought it on was me thinking about a very good friend, who after 4 years is a changed man.
His whife cheated on him with his best budy and he just never went back to the guy he was.
Well he should perhaps get some help, there are far worse things that can happen.
It's just old mother nature making people do what they have done for 100's of thousands of years.
Men are programmed to have sex with as many fertile females as they can - it is the best way for their genetic code to be passed on in their offspring - for women the best way is to have a single mate who looks after them and the child for 8-10 years - if that man has other mates then there is less chance of resources being used to bring up the woman's offspring.
You can't change evolutionary behaviour that has lasted millenia by a couple of hundred years of religious superstition.
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What evidence have you that indicates humans aren't one of the monogamous species ?
It's really boils down to honor. If you're not the type of person who can stab your closest loved ones in the back, then try your hardest not to hookup with trash who can. I know it's much easier said than done.
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It boils down to honesty. One should never get too comfortable with dishonesty. I realize that women are deceptive creatures but that is no excuse for dishonesty on your part.
and shaden... no problem with your theory... you could be right. If you feel that you are unable to resist then all you have to do is tell whoever you are with that you are incapable of doing so and then make no promises to remain faithful
lazs
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Originally posted by Suave
What evidence have you that indicates humans aren't one of the monogamous species ?
It's really boils down to honor. If you're not the type of person who can stab your closest loved ones in the back, then try your hardest not to hookup with trash who can. I know it's much easier said than done.
Men are polygamous animals brainwashed by women into monogamous slaves.
It's no wonder though, cuz we have to survive in the matriarchal society, and most of us, men are weak and have a big sweet tooth for cherries.:aok :D ;) :p
P.S. My first beautiful wife cheated on me when I was in the Army, stationed overseas. She kept writing nice letters to me though ....
And I did became a changed man when I broke off from that bondage. I turned into the MAN.
Yet still prefer to pick only the best one from the whole flock.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Halo
Are you married or have a girl friend?
I am not talking about human society, just US mostly or western.
Would you want some guy ****ing your girl? Would she want you ****ing around? You want your leaders do those types of things?
well IMO promisciuty is kind of fashion and fun for brainless people, with limited education.
I also have a friend and she work in top management in some telco company... man she is so pride to having sex with almost every smiling boy in her company...
But most intersting fact about faithfulness is comparation of cultures all around the world. Then its realy easy to deduce what is nature of the human and what is diference between civilized&pseudo civilized world.
politics&sex with others.
well when somebody doesnt have problems to cheat his partner, wife or husband... im sure he doesnt have problem to cheat his voters.... just MO
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Originally posted by Schaden
Well he should perhaps get some help, there are far worse things that can happen.
It's just old mother nature making people do what they have done for 100's of thousands of years.
Men are programmed to have sex with as many fertile females as they can - it is the best way for their genetic code to be passed on in their offspring - for women the best way is to have a single mate who looks after them and the child for 8-10 years - if that man has other mates then there is less chance of resources being used to bring up the woman's offspring.
You can't change evolutionary behaviour that has lasted millenia by a couple of hundred years of religious superstition.
for that kind of liviing you do not even need brain or "civilization" do you ?
for men its also nature to eliminate all potencial dangerous things...... but only few of us found balls to shot their neigbour :D
got my point ?
let someone faaak your wife and watch your natural reaction....
then go ad let your wife watch you&other girl..... and watch her natural reaction.......
and then we can speak again what is nature, what is not nature and what is natural and what is not natural.
then we could conclude, what kind of beneffits have each way of life.
what do you think ?
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Statistics say 75% of all men married over 5 years have had an affair and 40% of women in the same situation have as well.
I guess the folks on this BBS are a statistical abberation....
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no one said that we didn't do it... only that it is dishonest. I have quit making promises in this regard except to promise to admit it... this seems fair considering the disease risk.
lazs
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Statistics say 75% of all men married over 5 years have had an affair and 40% of women in the same situation have as well.
I guess the folks on this BBS are a statistical abberation....
If true, that's a depressing statistic.
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Muck's statistics are prolly about the US.
What's the divorce rate at now?
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Muck's statistics are prolly about the US.
What's the divorce rate at now?
-SW
Right, because Europeans are super-human.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lada
for that kind of liviing you do not even need brain or "civilization" do you ?
for men its also nature to eliminate all potencial dangerous things...... but only few of us found balls to shot their neigbour :D
got my point ?
let someone faaak your wife and watch your natural reaction....
then go ad let your wife watch you&other girl..... and watch her natural reaction.......
and then we can speak again what is nature, what is not nature and what is natural and what is not natural.
then we could conclude, what kind of beneffits have each way of life.
what do you think ?
Good point Lada. Also men and women have different attitudes about sex. I find that most women have more respect for a slut than they do for a prostitute. And they're surprised to learn that men generally have more respect for a prostitute than for a slut. I find that curious.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Right, because Europeans are super-human.
:rolleyes:
They are... but, aw screw it. Everything with you is US vs Europeans.
Hey, the Japanese make better cars than the US!
-SW
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I once cheated on a woman i was living with.
She somehow found out where this girl i was seeing lived and came over one night while i was there and was baging on the door waving a pistol around.
Needless to say we did not let her in LOL.
Point being it can push some people over the edge.
Passion has caused many a killings.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
They are... but, aw screw it. Everything with you is US vs Europeans.
Hey, the Japanese make better cars than the US!
-SW
I believe you stated that the infidelity rate I noted was restricted to the US, implying that infidelity rates are higher in the US than anywhere else.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
I believe you stated that the infidelity rate I noted was restricted to the US, implying that infidelity rates are higher in the US than anywhere else.
Yes, I did. Everywhere else isn't just Europe. Unless your map is missing 3/4s of the world.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Yes, I did. Everywhere else isn't just Europe. Unless your map is missing 3/4s of the world.
-SW
Alright, allow me to rephrase...
According to you, only Americans cheat to those levels. The rest of the world is different.
Feel better?
I do.
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Yes, but you're still a fascist neocon.
-SW
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Originally posted by wombatt
I once cheated on a woman i was living with.
She somehow found out where this girl i was seeing lived and came over one night while i was there and was baging on the door waving a pistol around.
Needless to say we did not let her in LOL.
Point being it can push some people over the edge.
Passion has caused many a killings.
Irrespectively of your story I'm inclined to think that it's more ladylike to put some rat poison in the morning coffee for her man or chop off his bobbit instead of brandishing a pistol.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Yes, I did. Everywhere else isn't just Europe. Unless your map is missing 3/4s of the world.
-SW
Don't you worry about the map with only 1/4th of the world on it. What should be really important to everybody on these BBs is the fact that my globe of the Ukraine is safely sitting on the desk in my study. :p :D
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Ok here's the scenario:
You're dating a crazy psycho ***** from outta town. Things have never been that great but now there just awful and you're doing the whole "let her break up with you routine". The end is near, both parties want to end it, just haven't got around to the formalities yet, and something new & nice takes an interest in you.... Yada, yada, yada.
Is this cheating?
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If people are going to use the Bible as a moral backup then they should follow up on the rest of that moral argument.
Fornication is also forbidden, not just adultry. So for those christianity inclined, if your gonna throw out one rule for convenience, might as well throw the rest out.
Let the arguments begin :)
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Statistics say 75% of all men married over 5 years have had an affair and 40% of women in the same situation have as well.
I guess the folks on this BBS are a statistical abberation....
Not too sure about statistical but I'll def go along with abberation...btw apparently if you do dna testing on kids compared to their "happily married" parents about 10 -12% of kids are calling the wrong guy Dad...something to think about when you have all the family over and you see 20 or so kids splashing in the pool - def makes on go mmm..
Going back to a previous post - jealousy is simply a function of being po'd that you are not getting a chance to mate with the female you've spent time and resources cultivating - or even worse you might end up raising someone else's genetic material!!! Enough to make any cave man reach for his club!!
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"If people are going to use the Bible as a moral backup then they should follow up on the rest of that moral argument."
You're missing the obvious, according to the bible people can have babies without intercourse.
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Originally posted by Torque
"If people are going to use the Bible as a moral backup then they should follow up on the rest of that moral argument."
You're missing the obvious, according to the bible people can have babies without intercourse.
In Vitro Fertilization ?
:p
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Mary was a virgin, or am i using the wrong rewrite?
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you guys are making too much of this..
If you give your word then breaking it is wrong. Unless.... unless your word is conditional.. You may not feel that women are worthy of being honest with... sorta like lieing your way out of a speeding ticket. but.... No one ever got aids from a speeding ticket.
If you don't tell your partner who has taken your word for your monogamy then you are putting her life at risk with your dishonesty. grow a pair and fess up...
If you don't get what you want from the one you are with... get another one. or... get several but make sure everyone knows the score and don't lie about it.
lazs
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I cheated on a girlfriend with my right hand. I didn't tell it. Now it has the genital herpes.
-SW
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I never cheated but i don't think man are made for monogamy.
Can u enjoy the best piece of meat and eat it everyday with the same affection.
1 man can make thousend children woman can make 1 every 9 months.
maybe its just nature
whats wrong with nature
i just don't wanna hurt my girlfriend
but i could do it with every nice woman any day.
so i can only cheat with my left or right arm :)
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Statistics say 75% of all men married over 5 years have had an affair and 40% of women in the same situation have as well.
I guess the folks on this BBS are a statistical abberation....
yeah and 20% of people control 80% of money.....
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Right, because Europeans are super-human.
:rolleyes:
no chinese are.... you dumb
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Originally posted by Maniac
Everyone cheats.
If you think that your wife wouldnt do it if she got the chance, then you need your head examined.
I will be an idiot because other are = sheep mentality
JOC u here ? :D
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I never cheated but i don't think man are made for monogamy.
Can u enjoy the best piece of meat and eat it everyday with the same affection.
1 man can make thousend children woman can make 1 every 9 months.
maybe its just nature
whats wrong with nature
i just don't wanna hurt my girlfriend
but i could do it with every nice woman any day.
so i can only cheat with my left or right arm :)
please note that he is not from US :D
But most funny thing about this theme is, that people who preffer faithful relationship do respect way of the other... but those who attempt to ***** everything that walk somehow belive that all other people are silly.....
what do you think ?
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Originally posted by Torque
"If people are going to use the Bible as a moral backup then they should follow up on the rest of that moral argument."
You're missing the obvious, according to the bible people can have babies without intercourse.
hehe .. however i dont think that force someone by Bible or other books of that kind is working well.
Speak about matters and get someone understand the benefits is working much better IMO.
im not a bible fun, but fact that Marie were pregnant while she were virgin is part of supposed miracle isnt it ?
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Originally posted by Sandman
I guess we try to be.
yes i agree ... and we call that try a "culture"
and we consider it to have benefits from it, dont we ? :D
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Sure... but it doesn't change what we are. ;)