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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: pimpjoe on December 15, 2001, 04:35:00 PM
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this does not apply to ALL trainers. i was just in the MA when somebody asked politely for a trainer. there was at least 1 trainer in the arena that i saw when this gentelman asked for help. he asked for probably 5 minuets for a trainer to come help him. the only answer's he got were smart assed and did him no good. i eventually took him over to the TA and gave him the help he was looking for. i have no problem helping others out but i shouldnt have to, especially when there is trainer's in the arena that just choose to ignore when people ask for help. now this is not a whine...just a request. please do what HTC gives you the free subscription to do. TRAIN people that ask for the help.
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I agree.
I was there tonight when that guy was asking for help and then you offered him help and ppl were making fun of you on top of it.
*sigh*.. what a world
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With all due respect PimpJoe, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I would duely ask if would stop making sweeping statments like this in the main bbs. If you have a problem with the one of the trainers or all the training staff then please contact either Lephturn or one of our seniour training staff and we would be happy to help you.
For the sake of putting things right in your mind I will attempt to explain.
- Yes Aces High trainers mostly get free accounts (not all of us I don't think)
- Yes Aces High trainers are there to help you.
- Yes Aces High trainers are just normal people who GIVE UP THERE OWN TIME to help others
- Yes Aces High trainers do have a life outside of Aces High
- No Aces High trainers are not avalable for training all the time.
We have on and off duty times. If we are in the training arena and not training with somebody else then ofcourse if you ask us to help you then we will as soon as we can. But you also have to understand that we like to play the game as well. So if we are flying in the main arena we will help with things when we can but if we are in the middle of doing something I am not going to auger my aircraft to go and help somebody if I have just flown 2 hours across the arena in a Lancaster.
Pimpjoe, you say you should not have to help people? Well in my opinion that is just very selfish my friend. The Aces High Trainers are very few in numbers and with this few we do an AWFULL lot of things for the community and help anybody who sends us an email. We either arange a time to meet them or help them there and then.
80% of the time I won't give newbies a training session there and then if they ask me in the training arena. To really build good pilots and get people understanding things there is more to it that just being able to walk the walk. You HAVE to know how to talk the talk.
PimpJoe, we are looking for some good trainers. You think you have got what it takes? Send me an aplication.
Best Wishes, Have a Merry Christmas
Betown
[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: Betown ]
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I think Pimpjoe was trying to point out that he shouldn't have been the one to answer the guys call for help if there as a trainer in the arena. Off duty or not, the trainer should have responded to the calls of the guy that needed help, if only to point the player to the training arena where there are some on-duty trainers.
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Originally posted by Betown:
With all due respect PimpJoe, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I would duely ask if would stop making sweeping statments like this in the main bbs. If you have a problem with the one of the trainers or all the training staff then please contact either Lephturn or one of our seniour training staff and we would be happy to help you.
For the sake of putting things right in your mind I will attempt to explain.
- Yes Aces High trainers mostly get free accounts (not all of us I don't think)
- Yes Aces High trainers are there to help you.
- Yes Aces High trainers are just normal people who GIVE UP THERE OWN TIME to help others
- Yes Aces High trainers do have a life outside of Aces High
- No Aces High trainers are not avalable for training all the time.
We have on and off duty times. If we are in the training arena and not training with somebody else then ofcourse if you ask us to help you then we will as soon as we can. But you also have to understand that we like to play the game as well. So if we are flying in the main arena we will help with things when we can but if we are in the middle of doing something I am not going to auger my aircraft to go and help somebody if I have just flown 2 hours across the arena in a Lancaster.
Pimpjoe, you say you should not have to help people? Well in my opinion that is just very selfish my friend. The Aces High Trainers are very few in numbers and with this few we do an AWFULL lot of things for the community and help anybody who sends us an email. We either arange a time to meet them or help them there and then.
80% of the time I won't give newbies a training session there and then if they ask me in the training arena. To really build good pilots and get people understanding things there is more to it that just being able to walk the walk. You HAVE to know how to talk the talk.
PimpJoe, we are looking for some good trainers. You think you have got what it takes? Send me an aplication.
Best Wishes, Have a Merry Christmas
Betown
[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: Betown ]
If your a trainer and someone asks for help, go to the TA promptly.
If your a trainer and you get a free account, and someone asks for help, you best get your bellybutton TO THE TA ASAP.
If you don't like people squeaking because there's no trainers available....tough. Fix it.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Tumor:
If you don't like people squeaking because there's no trainers available....tough. Fix it.
Tumor
And a posted schedule of when trainers are on and off duty would be helpful.
dh
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Originally posted by Betown:
With all due respect PimpJoe, you have NO idea what you are talking about. I would duely ask if would stop making sweeping statments like this in the main bbs. If you have a problem with the one of the trainers or all the training staff then please contact either Lephturn or one of our seniour training staff and we would be happy to help you.
For the sake of putting things right in your mind I will attempt to explain.
- Yes Aces High trainers mostly get free accounts (not all of us I don't think)
- Yes Aces High trainers are there to help you.
- Yes Aces High trainers are just normal people who GIVE UP THERE OWN TIME to help others
- Yes Aces High trainers do have a life outside of Aces High
- No Aces High trainers are not avalable for training all the time.
We have on and off duty times. If we are in the training arena and not training with somebody else then ofcourse if you ask us to help you then we will as soon as we can. But you also have to understand that we like to play the game as well. So if we are flying in the main arena we will help with things when we can but if we are in the middle of doing something I am not going to auger my aircraft to go and help somebody if I have just flown 2 hours across the arena in a Lancaster.
Pimpjoe, you say you should not have to help people? Well in my opinion that is just very selfish my friend. The Aces High Trainers are very few in numbers and with this few we do an AWFULL lot of things for the community and help anybody who sends us an email. We either arange a time to meet them or help them there and then.
80% of the time I won't give newbies a training session there and then if they ask me in the training arena. To really build good pilots and get people understanding things there is more to it that just being able to walk the walk. You HAVE to know how to talk the talk.
PimpJoe, we are looking for some good trainers. You think you have got what it takes? Send me an aplication.
Best Wishes, Have a Merry Christmas
Betown
[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: Betown ]
Betown?
Who the hell is Betown?
Send an application? What application, where?
As for your jerkish comments, you should resign from the trainer corps if you can't at least take 5 and explain to a new guy how/when to get help.
I'm not even a trainer and I have trained a few guys.
Volunteer or Paid via free sub, you represent HTC. (even if there is a disclaimer) You make them look bad with replies like this.
Viper
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I'd be happy to be a trainer. I can only do it part time though, since I work full-time.
I have a good working knowledge of basic ACM, and I generally make up the more advanced stuff as I go :D. Where do I get an application?
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where's an aplication? i'd be happy to become a trainer. you dont even have to give me the free subscription.
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Betown, I must humbly disagree with virtually everything in your post. While the initial post may have been a bit strong, its message was relatively accurate. I am NOT recognized as an AH Trainer. I do NOT get a free account. I am ALWAYS in the training arena helping people out, most of the time by appointment, many times by just showing up there and helping. Do you go in the TA to help? I have never seen you in there. Do you respond to the requests here to get training? I have not seen you respond to ANY of the requests no here for help. Maybe you have, I dont know. The point remains I havent seen ANY trainers officially endorsed by AH in the TA in A LONG TIME ... the ONLY exception is Ghosth. I have not seen ONE SINGLE TRAINER in there other than ghosth. Rocket does a good job of reading the boards in here and making himself available as well.
How are the people requesting training supposed to get a hold of you "trainers." You arent listed on the website, only lephturn is. The training problem in Aces High needs HELP. I have offered and continue to offer to be an official trainer just for the title and a little power to gain some control over the TA. As it is right now, its a joke. No one likes going to the TA for the most part because of a rotten few that cannot be controlled.
As always, I am willing to help and available upon request. And sofar as sending you an application? I have sent repeated requests to HTC and Lephturn about becoming a trainer, and nothing and no one has given me any feedback. So please dont sit on your training horse and act like you guys are really searching for more trainers. I have been trying to become one for quite some time now ... and no one seems to have the time to take the steps necessary to make it official. SO, I will continue to be an unofficial trainer of AH, gladly, because I would not know what I do today were it not for the kindness and generosity of many pilots in the arena. Cyou, Leviathn, RWY, NathBDP, Mitsu ... all of these people helped me become the pilot I am, and have helped me learn many of the challenging ACM concepts.
It do agree with you Betown that everyone should be willing to help out new pilots...not just the "official" AH Trainers.
Nim
[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: aknimitz ]
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I have to say that the one trainer I have seen the most in the TA and actively asking if anyone needed help was Ghosth. It certainly was nice to see as I very often see newbies asking for help in the TA and not getting it. I have spent more than a bit of time answering questions and explaining how to set up joysticks, start engines, move GV's and so on.
Betown, you were not one of the trainers I have seen helping out there. I have seen you there, but you certainly weren't helping. The tone of your post here pretty much represents your attitude and in a word, it is inapropriate. (I had other words but won't use them) Frankly it doesn't represent AH very well. If I were a newbie looking at your post I think I'd rather pass on asking you to help.
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[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: Maverick ]
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You guys wanna kick his dog too?
Betown had 1 thing absolutely right. You have a problem with the training staff or the way things are done, please take it up with Lephturn privately or email HTC and express your displeasure.
All I see here are personal attacks, some seeming to stem from not being accepted into the Training Staff. Kinda makes one wonder if the people needing training is the real reason why people jump in on these threads...
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Nifty,
Boy you just have everything figured out dont you? You have absolutely no basis for saying that. This is the HELP AND TRAINING FORUM. You dont think I have discussed this with AH Trainers before? With the HT staff? Think again - I have. I am not attacking Betown personally, I am disagreeing with his comments. Betown is a good guy, I've flown with him before. His post was just not entirely accurate.
A little hypocritical of you to come here and suggest attacks on persons should be done via private email, but your the first to jump right in and throw some out yourself.
Why would I care whether or not I had been accepted as an AH Trainer? The free account? :eek: I am an AH trainer, just not one officially endorsed by HTC. If it stays that way, its fine with me. I enjoy helping others learn...and I know I am making a difference.
Nim
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I have to agree, in order to get some training I had to come to the Training board and ask. The only responses I got were from players like nim and mako. If i had waited for an official trainer I'd still be totally crap instead of just crap.
Cheers for last nights training nim.
G
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Well, if you're flying in the MA chances are
great that you'd miss something written in
the text-buffer. It seems that if you post
a message in here, you won't have to wait
for too long until you get the help you're
looking for... just check this post:
Looking for training (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001240)
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all sarcasm aside...i really would like to become an endorsed trainer. and really would do it without the free account. would any of you guys happen to have Lephturns Email? or who else would i contact to become one?
and i appologize for my original post. now that i read it...it does sound a little harsh. it wasnt intended to be that way.
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Nimitz S!,
Couldn't agree more.
I applied for Trainer to Lephturn (by mail and personal msg) as well, but not even an response!
I used to be in the TA allot (before 4 months) and helping out plp that needed it without being an official trainer. Lately I pop in only once in a while. I don't like what the TA has become since the large influx of players.
If I want to train with somebody I rather go to the DA at the moment.
With the exception of a few (Ghosth, S!) I hardly ever see a trainer in the TA. I would have thought that with the large influx of players and an average of about 15-20 plp in the TA, there would be more attention to the TA by all those official trainers.
I suggested already twice in this BBS to post a list of Trainers with e-mail addresses (e.g. as part of the opening anouncement of the TA) or somewhere on the main page of HT. Because it is for many plp still a problem to get hold of a trainer. This should be obvious by all the posts in this forum lately and by the many plp asking for a trainer in the MA.
Anyway for anybody that needs help, although I'm not an official trainer, If you want help e-mail me at j_apar@hotmail.com
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[ 12-18-2001: Message edited by: Apar ]
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Guys,
I do apologise if this post has come across a little harsh, like others here now that I read it again it does seem a little strong. So that I do apologise for and ask if you guys can forgive me for that. Was having a bit of a bad day. So again I apologise.
You guys also have to understand that I fly in the European time zone. So a lot of the guys that don't fly in that time won't really see me. I agree with a lot of you as in the training corps is in a bit of a mess. But it's in the process of being fixed.
The point of view that I was trying to put across was that I can't be avalable all the time. It's just not possible. at the moment 90% of my flying is done in the training arena just so I can be there to sort things out for people who are around and also occasionaly sort out some of the many player based problems that are caused from the training arena. It really bugs me when I see a post playing down what we do. Because to be honest there ain't a lot of us and those of us we are put a lot of time into trying to help people.
I am not trying to play us up. Because to be honest all we are is just a bunch of pilots who have been flying here for a while trying to help other people of our own backs. It really vex's me when people come out with messages like
If your a trainer and someone asks for help, go to the TA promptly.
If your a trainer and you get a free account, and someone asks for help, you best get your bellybutton TO THE TA ASAP.
If you don't like people squeaking because there's no trainers available....tough. Fix it.
This does not help anybody. It just up's the anger in conversations because you are trying to coment on something that you have not experienced.
As I said, we are looking for trainers. PLEASE anybody who thinks they are up to the challange email me. I will put you forward because we need good people and pilots who are willing to help the community.
And Viper, my message was harsh but not that harsh mate. You know who I am, you fly in the training arena and I have seen you around. Please don't try and make a bad situation worse.
I am just trying to do my job like a lot of other people. I just do what I think is right, if you guys disagree with that then fine. That's your problem.
If the fact that I don't pay subscription troubles some of you then fine. Hell, I am happy to pay. I never asked not to have to pay, and if not paying means that I am unable to fly my own missions in the MA and not be able to go into the main arena without being obliged to train somebody when I am trying to relax then fine. I am happy to do that.
Yes, for those who asked we are starting to pull together some sort of training roster so you will know when we are going to be in the arena.
Again I apologise for the harshness of my message.
BT
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Betown,
Check privat MSG pls. I tried your homepage but it was not accessible for me.
Greetz,
Apar
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Nim, I said...
some seeming to stem from not being accepted into the Training Staff.
It wasn't meant to be an outright accusation, just saying that's how it was looking to someone (me, in this case) reading the thread.
I'm glad I was wrong in that perception with you and the others that have said something for the tone of their posts.
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Originally posted by Betown:
Guys,
I do apologise if this post has come across a little harsh, like others here now that I read it again it does seem a little strong. So that I do apologise for and ask if you guys can forgive me for that. Was having a bit of a bad day. So again I apologise.
You guys also have to understand that I fly in the European time zone. So a lot of the guys that don't fly in that time won't really see me. I agree with a lot of you as in the training corps is in a bit of a mess. But it's in the process of being fixed.
The point of view that I was trying to put across was that I can't be avalable all the time. It's just not possible. at the moment 90% of my flying is done in the training arena just so I can be there to sort things out for people who are around and also occasionaly sort out some of the many player based problems that are caused from the training arena. It really bugs me when I see a post playing down what we do. Because to be honest there ain't a lot of us and those of us we are put a lot of time into trying to help people.
I am not trying to play us up. Because to be honest all we are is just a bunch of pilots who have been flying here for a while trying to help other people of our own backs. It really vex's me when people come out with messages like
If your a trainer and someone asks for help, go to the TA promptly.
If your a trainer and you get a free account, and someone asks for help, you best get your bellybutton TO THE TA ASAP.
If you don't like people squeaking because there's no trainers available....tough. Fix it.
This does not help anybody. It just up's the anger in conversations because you are trying to coment on something that you have not experienced.
As I said, we are looking for trainers. PLEASE anybody who thinks they are up to the challange email me. I will put you forward because we need good people and pilots who are willing to help the community.
And Viper, my message was harsh but not that harsh mate. You know who I am, you fly in the training arena and I have seen you around. Please don't try and make a bad situation worse.
I am just trying to do my job like a lot of other people. I just do what I think is right, if you guys disagree with that then fine. That's your problem.
If the fact that I don't pay subscription troubles some of you then fine. Hell, I am happy to pay. I never asked not to have to pay, and if not paying means that I am unable to fly my own missions in the MA and not be able to go into the main arena without being obliged to train somebody when I am trying to relax then fine. I am happy to do that.
Yes, for those who asked we are starting to pull together some sort of training roster so you will know when we are going to be in the arena.
Again I apologise for the harshness of my message.
BT
An apology with a lecture. Nice.
Tumor
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S! BT & Nifty. BT, I hope you are getting a free account. This is no easy undertaking you have on your shoulders. And I definitely think you should be able to live your life in the MA as you please. Putting up with people like Ghosth in and of itself is enough to warrant your free account! :D
Nim
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Well I had hoped to stay out of this thread. But Nimitz thats TOO BLOODY FAR!
While I might take that kind of talk from some, no scum sucking bottom dwelling lawyer has earned the right. :)
For that I will find you, and vulch you on takeoff till you cry uncle (or your squad mates kill me)
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The frustrating part of this situation for quite a few of us, is that we want to be trainers, have contacted Lephturn, sent in the info requested and....
...heard absolutley nothing.
F.
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Originally posted by Ghosth:
For that I will find you, and vulch you on takeoff till you cry uncle (or your squad mates kill me)
Or his wife hand delivers you a subpeona....
:)
-SW
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hehehe Atta boy Swulfe! :D Yes Ghosth, dont forget, my wife is an equally licensed and dangerous attorney :D
Nim
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Well if Nimitz has to have his WIFE fight his fights for him I'm sure I don't need to rub his nose in it!
Better go find some bleeding heart liberal firm to work for panzy boy! :)
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lol, working would seriously reduce his flying time, that's not an option :D
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Furious,
Please send a detailed biography of all your flightsim experience along with a little bit about yourself to
chris@ecomm-net.co.uk
I will contact you in the same way as I have been doing with the other people who have emailed me.
Hope to hear from you soon.
BT
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Tumour,
Out of interest do you enjoy provoking people? That is what you are doing, some people here are trying to be constructive and you are just lowering the level of the conversation so some witless sarcastic sandbox type of conversation pubescent teenagers would have.
Please, I ask you that if you don't have something constructive to say then don't say anything at all.
Thanx for your time
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Ghosth, I would work for anyone at this point, even some god-awful, conservative Republic infiltrated firm. :D
Nim
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Btown after reading this board. i am confused are you now in charge? of trainers please tell me your not all staff should have the customer coming first your posts do not reflect this. I am aware of the leagel aspects of making some one go when called (ie makeing them an employe vs a volintier) but do rember this that the officel training staff has been few and far between and as a customer i have the right to complain and point out any and all things I feel are lacking. there are 3000 players hear and the staff is not up the the task yet it will take some time to get things strate and running smothly i hope we do not lose many in the prosses.
Pirate retired Trainer from kesmai.
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God No,
I am not incharge at all. If I came across as that then I apologise. I am just trying to help Lephturn out by bringing people into the fold as far as the training thing goes.
Aparently this threat makes me look like an utter dork. Yeah, I tend to agree with the guy who said that.
So again I apologise. I was way off the mark with this thread.
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I wonder what my chances of being a trainer are?
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probably higher than mine
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I have trained a trainer in AH training corps. Does that make me yoda?
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No, it makes you the Talented Mr. Ripley :D
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Hi Mates!!!
As some of you probably know the TIGER Squadron from Air Warrier Relaxed Realism has adopted Aces High as our new home!
I can say this about the past "encyclopedia" on this post.
I am not an official trainer by any means but if anyone would like some help I have no problem helping out provided I am not involved in a critical Squad night mission.
For the most part I think most people are good natured and will help...the few smart alec remarks that come across usually are a few bad apples or some smart alec fighter jock....LOL.
Keep Flying.
TG12
TIGER Squadron Deputy Commander
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pimpjoe,
Your original post has some very valid points...BUT...until you've been there you won't have a clue. I was one of the original group of trainers in AH. Overall it was a blast and I'd certainly be open to doing it agsain. HOWEVER, you dont realize how impossible your request is. I'd spend 5-10 hours a week in the TA...then fly with a newbie in the MA if I happened to see him up. I ended up invloved in ongoing BS regarding the free for alls in TA. This caused a lot of problems and left a lot of bad feelings for many (myself included). A trainer is not on call 24/7 even HT has rules regarding questions when he is flying. When I was done my "official" tour I helped out for months till I took a break from the game. The truth is being a trainer is a tough but rewarding undertaking, but it can seriously undermine your enjoyment of the game in many ways. Trainers should always be open and willing but I do understand the need to take a bresak and just fly...don't knock it till you walk in their shoes for a bit.
humble/snaphook
[added at edit] not ment as a snippy reply pimpjoe...I understand your point and appluad your efforts...I just understand betowns reply... I amost went to WB's over the FFA thing...I did the best I could to be trainer/shrink/police force and got flamed all around for it. It truely is a job where you feel you can't be right...but always seem to be "wrong". A trainer is supposed to spend a reasonable amount of time in the TA "on duty"...the rest of the time he spneds logged on is his own...it was a lesson I never learned till I burned out on it.
Best wishes to all
[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: humble ]
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Since I began flying AH I realized I needed help, and came here to the BBS and asked for it. I got a response after a short period of time. I arranged via e-mail with Lephturn to meet with one of the other trainers; a guy I knew when I was a beta tester for AH about 3 years ago.
I met with my assigned trainer several times, and then our meetings fell off due to conflicts on my end. The training was helpful and I benefited from my sessions. This was at a time when the number of active pilits was relatively small (by comparison). Since then, things have changed drastically.
I have posted elsewhere on this BBs about what I percieve as a growing problem regarding training, and the training arena.
There are too few trainers for the increasing numbers of people coming to fly. I cannot count the number of times I am up, and hear over my country channel or over CH1, requests for help from new guys about a particular aspect of the sim.
I used to try and help out but stopped doing it. You see, if you are new, and haven't bothered to read the help files, or fly offline, there is no way you can learn to fly in a competitive arena like MA. I could tell by the questions asked that the person needs help from step 1, and the person is trying to bypass the basics and go up and kill sumthing; aint gonna happen.
Now AH has trainers but, is there a training program? One that has a set of policies, assigned staff and persons responsible for scheduling, assignments, topics to be covered and by whom? And is there a posted schedule of availability and a set of topics assigned to a particular night or day (for the Euros).
From my perspective, no, there isn't one. Not yet, but I think that it is coming. But there are other issues related to the training arena that have to be addressed also. The riff raff have to be cleared out of there; trainers have to be given privs to censure those who would go there to disrupt. These are issues which have not been addressed yet, to my knowledge.
Pyro has recently posted info about the expansion of the sim/game. We see large numbers in the MA, more than another sim I flew for years with an established community. I have never seen these kind of numbers in an online flight sim before.
Its going to take some adjustment to accomodate these numbers in terms of the hardware; policies and procedures etc.; all of which takes time.
Hell if a guy doesn't know how to take off, what can you tell him in the MA? Whats this button for? What does this do? Whats a good plane to fly? What are perk points and where do I get some of them?
Yeah, Trainers get free stuff maybe (hell I don't know) but given the circumstances, IMO it would be a thankless job, and I would feel they couldn't pay me enough to fly for free and train guys like the ones I just described. I would have to stop my enjoyment every night/day (perhaps even during a planned squad night) to log out and go and teach some guy the manual and then teach him/her how to fly and not get killed? Then we might lose half of our woefully small training staff.
I counsel patience,and trust that HT and Pyro, and their new staff support person will be addressing many things they haven't had a chance to up til now.
It's one thing to beat up on a person w/o benefit of walking in their shoes but, its another to actually experience what the reality is. If you want to become a trainer do it for the right reasons, and not to make a point that you can do it better.
We can have a buttload of trainers but, if there is no structure to fit the needs, it'll be an exercise in frustration no matter what the intention.
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I am very glad as a newbie that has yet to fly AH ONLINE. to find a thread like this, concerning being helped. So far, ALL of my flight time is offline, trying out a lot of the different things that I have seen discussed, different BFM's, ACM's, etc. I am also using the other sections, " Hardware ", " Connectivety ", etc., to get my system set up as best I can, prior to attempting to engage in the ONLINE Mode.
While it may seem strange to those that just jump in and go whole hog from the get-go, there are people that prefer to at least have an idea about what is going on, before jumping in with both feet. I find it to be a lot less frustrating, to at least have an idea as to what I am supposed to be doing, and feel good that there will be somebody there to help, when whatever it is I am attempting to do does not work in the way I understood it should.
For My part, having been a Squadron CO in another Flight Sim, I can easily understand the frustrations involved in being a Trainer, and having a training session disrupted. Some of the ideas I have seen and would like to see come to fruition, would be a list of Trainers available, The times training sessions could be held, as well as the subject of the proposed Training Session. I would dearly love to see some type of chat room set up for a particular subject to be taught, with a follow on session putting the training into effect. Possibly on some of the nights that there are no other scheduled events going on. I totally agree that it takes a lot of determination and effort to be able to BE a decent trainer.
Perhaps something I saw on the 412th FS Braunco Mustangs Website might help. They have a section set up for Jobs that need to be Done within the Squadron. Commo Oficer, Intel Officer, Etc. Perhaps Lephturn, BeTown, or somebody else, with the time available and willing to step up and take a swing at it, could gather the info on WHO is available, as well as QUALIFIED, to teach a certain subject. Once a Trainor and assistant trainer were selected, for a specific subject, an announcement could then be made on the BB that training in a certain area was to be conducted, and would be scheduled, as soon as enough people responded and signed up for the training. I know it used to frustrate the dickens out of me to have squad members harp on needing training in a certain area, set up the training, ( to include an instructor, sometimes from a different Squad, ) and have few if any show up on time. It was also very embarassing, to say the least.
To preclude a Trainor wasting His/Her valuable time, I feel very strongly that the training should be done as a scheduled affair, with sign-ups etc., a time limit for joining the session, and then locking the door after a fair time. It does not seem fair at all to those that were responible enough to be there on time, for someone to come in late and need everything done over again. Of course, this would give fuel to those that enjoy getting hacked off because they were'nt on time, and the world should have stopped and waited for them to show up, but, such is life.:p
Hopefully, I have given something constructive in My reply. I quite agree with DON that a Trainor within the TA, especially during a scheduled event, and at any other time, should have the ability to remove or at least silence those that attend in order to disrupt what others are attempting to do.
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>>>>While it may seem strange to those that just jump in and go whole hog from the get-go, there are people that prefer to at least have an idea about what is going on, before jumping in with both feet. <<<<
Jaekart:
What you describe is the way I went through it, it is the best way IMO, if you want to avoid frustration. I am certain there are many experienced pilits in AH who are willing to train others. But, it is difficult and awkward to do it on the spur of the moment.
I think the best thing to do is to visit these topic areas and get information, again this is what worked for me, so that I could ask for, and receive an arranged appt with a trainer.
The worst thing is to simply download the game, fire it up and find out you can't fly and then begin flooding the country channel and CH1 with questions about how to play the game.
There is a bottleneck right now, those pilits who fly will recommend that they go to the training arena but, there is noone there, and no posted schedule of when they should come back; this needs to be addressed.
I believe it'll happen soon. And Jaekart, if ever you are up and you see my name on the roster, gimme a yell. I will be happy to spar with you over in the TA. I also found that helps a lot to put together what I had read about and viewed on films. :)
I'll be seeing ya.
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Originally posted by Jaekart
To preclude a Trainor wasting His/Her valuable time, I feel very strongly that the training should be done as a scheduled affair, with sign-ups etc.,
Good ideas Jaekart. I was Trainer on the german WB server for a while *opening a box of "in the past everything was better"*... There we had 2 evenings within the week for scheduled training and most of the time in between we wasn't bothered by requests for help in the MA. This may sound as it worked fine but it didn't. Actually we were only 3-5 Trainers each night (most of us worked on both dates), due to the german server had no charge for playing most people weren't eager to become trainer in order to get a free account. I was used to train something about 4-6 up to 8-10 people on some extreme nights at one time. Although it made much fun it was some rough work sometimes, which fed up many trainers while time passed by... Well and that while we had *only* something about 60 players on the rush hour at night in the main. How many are it here? 300? 400? I think scheduled training like on (pardon for naming a concurrent...) iEN is actually a good idea if you have enough trainer for that, and with enough I mean alot with the numbers here. But the last time I looked here and you could see the trainer names on the web about 1 year or less ago it looked like there wasn't too many of them. So this thing about training people on request seems very well for me. At least you can assume from somebody who came to this BBS or read the info about training and emailing lephturn should know how to start his engines and furthermore you can see he is interesting into going a little bit more deeper in this game and really wanna learn. I've seen many newbies coming in for training but apearently not willing to listen, just "lets get up! eek eek eek! cooooome ooooon, lets get up and do some fights!!! Shut up and fight!".:)
Uh oh better stop this fishing out of old stories.;) Sorry for bothering you so long and my worse grammar...
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Ghosth, I would work for anyone at this point, even some god-awful, conservative Republic infiltrated firm
You are now Nim. Weekly Events Team. ;)
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Humble I totlaly agree with your post. I had same feelings as you just didnt totaly quit game. The worse I saw was when Trainers openly faught among them selfs in the arena and on this BBS.
I too would go back as others have said and dont need the free account. As one of the first trainers I didnt care when I was asked I went to the training arena. But it did get old after awhile when I was not a trianer and the new ones wernt as helpful. Mow Icant even find a list of who is a trainer anymore.
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I ended up taking about 6 weeks off, but then dropped off again for other reasons....came back as snaphook and have been flying for most of the year. I guess in some ways we had it a bit easier in the beginning but it was better organized (at least it seems that way). I think the explosive growth is an issue and the undefined expectations regarding training might be.
When I 1st applied it was an unknown area for us all. I know I recieved 3-4 casual requests in the MA to rumble from cobra and others. I don't know if they were checking out various appliants or it was random luck (I was always looking for a good 1 on 1).
Anyway, we had a great group that had various strengths. I always felt we got the newbies to the point they could have fun and be at least a little competative in the MA. I didn't feel then (or now) that I was a "hot stick" just a reasonably skilled guy trying to help em along.
Truthfully the game is much harder now, the overall quality of pilots is way up and so are the numbers. I think it's an even tougher road for a newbie to travel. I have'nt set foot in the TA in months...guess I'll drop in a bit just to see what it's like now.
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Well guys, I've clearly missed a bunch of discussion here. I'm not ignoring the BBS, I've just been in Cancun for 10 days on vacation.
Anyway, doing things like posting a list of trainers on the web site is something that isn't within my control. Even if it was, it's not something I would do without Pyro's approval.
I agree, things need to change in the training system. I really don't think it's right for me to go into that right now in detail, as it's something that Pyro needs to be deciding about and anouncing, not me. I'll be talking with Pyro as soon as I can is about all I'll say here.
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Leph,
you've done more than all of us combined to help the newer players (as well as a lot of vets) along. I think pimpjoes original post hits a very valid point...I just dont think most of the members of the community realize just how much of a sacrifice is involved in being a trainer. I do know we had the benifit of a "start-up" way back when, I think it's tougher as it evolves a life of it's own. I for one have greatly appreciated your efforts on everyone's behalf and will happily contribute again in anyway you think might help.
I think it's important that every one realizes that a trainer is "on duty" when he's in the TA and is not "on call"....less of course you think AH is gonna issue pagers to the trainers:rolleyes: