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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CptTrips on November 02, 2004, 11:13:30 PM
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snicker snicker snicker :D :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:aok
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lets not getr ahead of ourselves but... the repulican boosters are looking cocky and the democrats are getting defensive... kerrie could pull it out but ohio will end it for him if he loses there. At this point... I would rather be in Bush's shoes.
It is VERY close tho.
lazs
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Well I was careful to never tipped my hand.
I can always declare victory either way. :D
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I agree, it looks like it is going to be a long night. Current trends are showing Bush ending up with about 275.
My projection is the courts will be flooded with lawyers before dawn.
Sadly, I think this does not bode well for the nation. I'm thinking this could be worse than 2000, and that the nation will be more divided than ever.
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If Bush wins by a couple hundred thou in Ohio... I don't think there will be much in the way of court battles.
lazs
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It all comes down to Ohio (didn't Niel Young write about that?)
Hmmm - not looking like I thought it would - over - probably but not for sure - there's those absentee ballots in Florida. I dunno - life used to be simpler. But If I were Bush I'd feel a lot better tonight than I felt this afternoon.
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I'd bet Bush wins Ohio by less than his current lead of 130K, more like around 50K or less.
With the possible lawsuits in Ohio and Florida, that makes 47 electoral votes up for grabs.
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Yup, I was hoping this would be settled tonigt, but its definitely going to court. Well we can still hope - either way please let their be a clear decision.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
It all comes down to Ohio (didn't Niel Young write about that?)
Hmmm - not looking like I thought it would - over - probably but not for sure - there's those absentee ballots in Florida. I dunno - life used to be simpler. But If I were Bush I'd feel a lot better tonight than I felt this afternoon.
Certainly the Bush team was not feeling good this afternoon, but then that was due to exit polls, which I think are the biggest pile of Bravo Sierra in the whole deal.
Exit polls are what brought on the debacle of Florida 2000. The exit polls were saying that Gore was kicking Bush's bellybutton in Florida, despite the fact that the precincts were showing Bush leading by over 15%. Had the networks not called Florida for Gore when Bush was leading, and then had to reverse it, we'd not be where we are now.
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So far its just a matter of finishing the count. I havent seen to much evidence (yet) that there might be lawsuits in the morning.
Let's all hope there isn't any lawsuits, last time was ugly enough :(
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I'm sure they will sue everywhere that will let them file the paper whether they have a reasonable case or not. They're going to throw a lotta crap against the wall hoping something sticks. I don't think the counts are really close enough to be dangerous in the end. We'll just have to work through the litigation. It only postpones the enevitable.
I have my preferences for President but I think the true story here is the Senate, House, and Governorships. In the end I think those have a greater potential to effect change over time.
Its all good. ;)
Wab
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Granted - they were unquestionably wrong. But being wrong only helps science. Hopefully they are approaching it as science and not politics and figure out how they were so WRONG.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Granted - they were unquestionably wrong. But being wrong only helps science. Hopefully they are approaching it as science and not politics and figure out how they were so WRONG.
The exit polls have been just as bad this year as they were in 2000. I do not expect that to change. I really don't think science has anything to do with the exit polls, or vice versa.
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Weel even though I didn't bet, I guess I'll give Eagler a break and not post for a week. I'll just use my Eagler account....
Juuuussst kidding Eagler :D
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I agree, it looks like it is going to be a long night. Current trends are showing Bush ending up with about 285.
My projection is the courts will be flooded with lawyers before dawn.
Sadly, I think this does not bode well for the nation. I'm thinking this could be worse than 2000, and that the nation will be more divided than ever.
I'd be surprised if Kerry launches a legal barrage. Maybe the party will - but if it's more than one state I can't see it. Both candidates were really classy today - saying it was "in the voters hands." No last minute mud-slinging. I think they both realize that dragging this through the courts for anything less than a repeat of Florida would do just so much damage.
Looking at the map of how states are lining up, though ... damn ... it could be map from a civil war the way things are clustered.
Assuming Bush wins he has a big, big job uniting this country. He better really try to understand why there's such hatred for him (and Cheney), and why it's clustered the way it is. And please don't chime in with that "liberal" crap ... because that ain't what's behind it and you know it.
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I think the hate comes from the "stolen election" deal. Seriously. And I doubt seriously Bush can do a damned thing about it.
Will Kerry himself launch a legal barrage? I don't know. I think Gore was a big part of the 2000 deal, and I think Kerry will cave into if the party goes for it. And I'm not convinced that they won't.
I'm revising my prediction DOWN to 274.
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There's a couple of close states, but only Nevada and Iowa seem close enough to fight over (as of now). If Ohio goes to Bush, it's going to be tough for Kerry to recover.
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It ain't over till the ketchup lady sings.
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Before Nov 3rd is over you'll see I told ye so...
BTW we're gonna need some of those election lawyers down here in PR since it's so close it's retarded :D
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I think the hate comes from the "stolen election" deal. Seriously. And I doubt seriously Bush can do a damned thing about it.
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Lot more to it than that, Virgil. A lot more.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Lot more to it than that, Virgil. A lot more.
I don't think so. I saw the hate go out of control before the end of November 2000. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I don't think so. I saw the hate go out of control before the end of November 2000. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Don't go by Al Sharpton or the other Dem extremists. That's just the most vocal segment and not at all representative of most people voting for Kerry.
Funny thing is, if Cheney had stepped down from the ticket for "health reasons" and Bush ran with just about anyone else, he'd probably win by a landslide.
... edit ...
Hell ... Iowa is delayed ... Ohio is looking very contentious ... rumors of lawyers about to be deployed like Delta Force from both sides ... I really didn't think it'd come to this. :(
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Don't go by Al Sharpton or the other Dem extremists. That's just the most vocal segment and not at all representative of most people voting for Kerry.
Funny thing is, if Cheney had stepped down from the ticket for "health reasons" and Bush ran with just about anyone else, he'd probably win by a landslide.
Forget Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest of the fringe. I'm talking about mainstream Democrats, both voters and politicians. People I know well, including members of my family. Bush could run with Jesus Christ and these people would still hate him.
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Watching MSNBC and Pat Buchannon says it may not be over. He says Kerry should not conceed yet. There is still a lot of uncounted ballots in friendly territory. It may come down to Hawaii. Cheney's trip may have paid off big.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Forget Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest of the fringe. I'm talking about mainstream Democrats, both voters and politicians. People I know well, including members of my family. Bush could run with Jesus Christ and these people would still hate him.
See ... among the people I know (mostly folks in California and New England) a lot of the gripe is stuff that Cheney is wrapped up in. A lot of the people I know don't think W is really well qualified to be president, but all pretty much agree he does mean well and is basically a good person (which isn't something easy to say about a politician).
Regardless of the way these parts of the country are portrayed, and the way they usually vote, there are a lot of independant voters who don't really vote along party lines. For instance, Bill Weld was a very popular governor in Mass. - he's a Republican. Arnie is gov. in California - Arnie is very Republican, but Cali votes Dem recently. It really is more issue-based than you think among independants.
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Originally posted by rpm
Watching MSNBC and Pat Buchannon says it may not be over. He says Kerry should not conceed yet. There is still a lot of uncounted ballots in friendly territory. It may come down to Hawaii. Cheney's trip may have paid off big.
I better switch to MSNBC ... I can't take Larry King and Wolf Blitzer one more damn minute.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
See ... among the people I know (mostly folks in California and New England) a lot of the gripe is stuff that Cheney is wrapped up in. A lot of the people I know don't think W is really well qualified to be president, but all pretty much agree he does mean well and is basically a good person (which isn't something easy to say about a politician).
Regardless of the way these parts of the country are portrayed, and the way they usually vote, there are a lot of independant voters who don't really vote along party lines. For instance, Bill Weld was a very popular governor in Mass. - he's a Republican. Arnie is gov. in California - Arnie is very Republican, but Cali votes Dem recently. It really is more issue-based than you think among independants.
Bush has an IQ a lot lower than mine, yet I trust Bush, look up to him and think he has all the qualities needed to be a great President and leader.
Bush is a rare politician in the Reagan vein imho.
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either way it goes.
So much for
"Landslide Bush" LOL
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Originally posted by Mini D
Michigan just got real close... Ohio is looking to be Bush's. I wonder if all this last minute drama is the prelude to 300+ electoral votes for Bush?
Well, nothing looks good for Kerry.
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It's a longshot for Kerry. I wonder if Bush is confident enough to make a victory speech before Kerry conceeds. Man, would he look bad if it blew up in his face.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Well, nothing looks good for Kerry.
Actually... you caught it before I deleted the post.
Michigan isn't as close as I though. I thought I'd clicked on the UP, but had inadvertantly hit wisconsin. I thought the lead had gone from 120k votes down to 15k votes. Turns out Michigan just dropped from a 120k kerry lead down to an 85k kerry lead.
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ALOHA!:cool:
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I'm enjoying CNN (web) right now. They have a pretty decent map that breaks everything down by county and actual vote tally's with the "percent precincts reporting" number. They decided to call Ohio "too close to call" in order to keep people interested. Michigan, which has a closer race, has been handed over to the dems. New Mexico, which will seemingly be the "over 270" state for GWB has not been reported on because... well... that would mean the elections were over and there's still so much to report.
Talk about creating drama.
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NM is heavy democrat. I wouldn't write it off yet.
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deja... 269 is a win for Bush anyway. it goes to the house in a tie.
lazs
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Originally posted by rpm
NM is heavy democrat. I wouldn't write it off yet.
It's 52% bush to 47% kerry with 97% of the precincts reporting. It's pretty safe to write it off.
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RPM NM is heavy democrat? Uhhh not.
Take it, baby! You lost!!!
Yaaaaaaahoooooooooooooooooooo ooooo!
BOHICA!
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Still about 30,000 votes out in NM. Looks like Nader may win it for Bush there.
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249:242
269:211
269:242
Bush:Kerry
CNN
MSNBC
FOX
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OHIO (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363692/)
3:03am
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Another quote.
“We’ve waited four years for this victory. We can wait one more night,” Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the Democratic vice presidential candidate, told cheering supporters in Boston.
Saw the exact same quote, but the bold four was spelled 'for'.
Funny how one letter changes the meaning of something.
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Originally posted by rpm
Still about 30,000 votes out in NM. Looks like Nader may win it for Bush there.
? how does 2,960 votes for Nader cause kerry to lose by 30,000 votes?
I have yet to see a state where Nader votes made the difference.. or even amounted to 10% of the deficit. I was wondering when someone would go to this one. It makes me wonder if it was just habit? Maybe you could just look at the numbers for yourself and stop coming off so foolish.
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They are not all counted yet MiniDork. It looks like it will be about 9- 10 % of the difference right now. Let me rephrase it so you can pull your panties out of your crack, he hurt him. Happy?
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The deal with New Mexico not being called yet is that absentee ballot estimates range from 100,000 - 200,000. Even with the low figure of 100,000 that could very well change the results.
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There has been some suggestion that the exit polls were accurate implying that perhaps votes were being stolen. What a load of crap. Far, far, more likely that the pollsters were either biased or incompetent.
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Originally posted by AKIron
There has been some suggestion that the exit polls were accurate implying that perhaps votes were being stolen. What a load of crap. Far, far, more likely that the pollsters were either biased or incompetent.
The exit polls are just as wrong this year as they were when they were saying Gore won Florida in 2000 when Bush had a 15% lead in actual votes from reporting precincts.
Exit polls have been Bravo Sierra for years, and 2000 and 2002 proved that they could not be trusted. This year should put the last nail in the coffin of exit polls.
As I watch election coverage tonight, most were steadfastly refusing to accept them as valid, and refused to call any race in any state on the basis of exit polls.
Exit polls have long outlived their usefullness and need to be done away with. I'd like to see all news organizations simply refuse to have anything to do with them. They provided nothing more than bad window dressing this year, and at least no news agency got burned by them.
The Kerry campaign got burned badly by the exit polls. They should have known better. If they allow themselves to be dragged into a hopeless battle on the basis of exit polls no one else would trust, then they deserve to destroy themselves, and if the party goes for it, they deserve to go down with them.
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Kerry lost RPM. Take it!
and now that Kerry got slapped,. will you please just go away?
Take it!!!
BOHICA, loser!
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Originally posted by Steve
Kerry lost RPM. Take it!
and now that Kerry got slapped,. will you please just go away?
Take it!!!
BOHICA, loser!
You might be overdoing it just a bit Steve ;) There is a saying, gracious in defeat and victory :)
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Nobody has lost anything yet. Why has'nt Bush made a victory speech?
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WOLVERINES! 238-269
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That thunder you hear are the lawyers leaving Florida and heading for Ohio.....:(
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You might be overdoing it just a bit Steve There is a saying, gracious in defeat and victory
This does not apply to the liberal whacko crownd.
"I want to thank all of you for staying up so late with us and good morning," White House Chief of Staff Andy Card told haggard supporters at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington. "We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election with at least 286 Electoral College votes."
Take it!
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Yeah.. dems aren't ready to concede Ohio just because they lost it... there needs to be more than that... right?
Isn't this what the republicans were supposed to be doing? I mean... 130,000 votes isn't really necessatating a recount... right?
And RPM... my panties aren't in a bunch. You're simply being stupid for the sake of... um... being stupid. "New Mexico is heavy dem" was seemingly proven wrong. As was "Nader caused the loss". I know these were prepped responses in the case of a loss, but you really should look at the votes. Now all you have to fall back on is that the republicans most likely cheated in all of the states they just barely won.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Forget Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest of the fringe. I'm talking about mainstream Democrats, both voters and politicians. People I know well, including members of my family. Bush could run with Jesus Christ and these people would still hate him.
Hate him? Bush has the popular vote by almost 4 million. Step away from the crack pipe. He won Ohio. He has a clear lead in New Mexico and Iowa.
Karaya
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rpm.. the reason Bush hasn't declared victory is because he is giving kerrie the chance to concede like a man....
I think this is hurting an allready tainted party... their meddling in Florida in 2000 cost em 300,000 votes there.... medling in Ohio will seal the state for republicans for next time.
I have lost even more respect for the democrats and their army of poor losers and marxists.
lazs
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What is happening over there?
"the democrats and their army of poor losers and marxists."
I think the democrats are very far from beig marxists! Go read up on Mr Marx mate.
"This does not apply to the liberal whacko crownd"
Liberal Whackos? A) your spelling is a tad poor and B) I fear you are a bit of a right wing whacko yourself. ( Personaly I think wa*ker is a much better word than whacko!! But who am I to say.)
Preparing to see what country the Christian Militia is going to go on a crusade to next. And getting my boat ready for the melting of the ice cap!
( I know my spelling is poor too lol )
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tinpot... it was a very dirty race by the democrats who are still trying to steal it with an army of ambulance chasers..
There are more marxists in the democrat party than the republican right?
lazs
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I think the last place on earth you'll find a true Marxist is in the states. Even in the Democratic party. We don't even have many left in our Labour party. I would think that Nepal is about the last place Marxists actualy live. Oh no hang they are Maoists. Lol
Real Marxism is extinct.
Mind you I am glad we have got a free National Health Service over here
;)
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Originally posted by Steve
Kerry lost RPM. Take it!
and now that Kerry got slapped,. will you please just go away?
Take it!!!
BOHICA, loser!
I'm sure Bush "The Unifier" would be proud of your attitude.
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AP news... Kerry concedes!!!
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm sure Bush "The Unifier" would be proud of your attitude.
The Dems worked very hard to strip Bush of that moniker. They have no right to expect any concessions from him in the interest of unification.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The Dems worked very hard to strip Bush of that moniker. They have no right to expect any concessions from him in the interest of unification.
And this helps the country how?
What's more important - the wellfare of the country or the pride of the party?
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
And this helps the country how?
What's more important - the wellfare of the country or the pride of the party?
The welfare of the country of course and if the Democrats value that they will swallow their pride.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The welfare of the country of course and if the Democrats value that they will swallow their pride.
No ... you're wrong on this one. And it'd be the same for whichever side wins. It is the job of the leader to bring those who lost into the fold. Bush's *job* is to lead the whole country - what kind of leader is he if he says F U to 48% of the nation?
Bush was a great leader in the months immediately following 9/11. He now has a chance to regain that glow with the entire nation.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No ... you're wrong on this one. And it'd be the same for whichever side wins. It is the job of the leader to bring those who lost into the fold. Bush's *job* is to lead the whole country - what kind of leader is he if he says F U to 48% of the nation?
Bush was a great leader in the months immediately following 9/11. He now has a chance to regain that glow with the entire nation.
I agree that it's Bush's job to lead the entire country. Now it's time for that 48% to get in line and follow.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I agree that it's Bush's job to lead the entire country. Now it's time for that 48% to get in line and follow.
Yes. Agree with you 100%. It has to go both ways. Folks who are still re-living the 2000 election deserve to be left behind.
I am very glad to see that reports from both the Kerry and Bush campaigns are stressing the need to unify people after this election.
Bush has a real chance to leave a very positive mark on history here. I hope he makes the most of it.
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Originally posted by Mini D
And RPM... my panties aren't in a bunch. You're simply being stupid for the sake of... um... being stupid. "New Mexico is heavy dem" was seemingly proven wrong. As was "Nader caused the loss". I know these were prepped responses in the case of a loss, but you really should look at the votes. Now all you have to fall back on is that the republicans most likely cheated in all of the states they just barely won.
MiniD
OK MiniDork, seems my rewording was'nt acceptable to you. Nader hurt Kerry. Nader did not "cost Kerry the election" and I never intended for a quick glance I did at NM numbers to get blown so far out of porportion by you. I restated it, but, no keep kickin that dead horse and acting like an arse.
NM's Governor (a Dem) was the chairman of the Democratic convention and New Mexico has traditionally voted Democratic. So please, oh obtuse one, forgive me for using past and current history to base an opinion. I gotta admit, it's people acting this way that turns me off of the GOP. The frothing at the mouth is unbecoming. The we are better than you are attitude isn't attractive either.
I would'nt call it "LANDSLIDE BUSH". This shows how the country is still split pretty much down the middle. Kerry took a while to conceed, but as close as things were I can't blame him for waiting until they were thru counting all the ballots before throwing in the towel. Let's just hope Bush can bridge some of the problems dividing us and not drive a wedge further in them.
It's over, Bush won. Let's just hope we get thru the next four years.
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I'm sure Bush "The Unifier" would be proud of your attitude.
Screw you, your sarcasm, and the leftist extremists like RPM.
Rational democrats(is anyone that voted for a man that gave aid and comfort to our enemy rational?) will step in line for the good of the country. For the next 4 years the lunatic left will continue thier assualt on the POTUS, specifically about the Iraq war since there is little else for them to complain about. This will, in effect, cause the enemy to think that if they can hold on for four years they may get a whacko from the left in office and thus can survive.
The lunatic left can not be unified... there is no point in even trying.
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I would'nt call it "LANDSLIDE BUSH".
No man has ever received more votes for POTUS. Works for me.
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Originally posted by Steve
Screw you, your sarcasm, and the leftist extremists like RPM.
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No ... I think it'll be you that feels screwed once Bush and Kerry make their speaches today. Because what I'm hearing is that both sides will be reaching out to unify. If Bush's speach is what I expect it to be, he will be a "gracious winner" - a concept which is clearly lost on you.
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I would'nt call it "LANDSLIDE BUSH".
Perhaps not a Bush landslide but certainly a Republican one.
The Presidency.
The Senate.
The House of Representatives.
A large majority of the state Gonvenorships.
With these, filling the Judicial branch will be a snap.
There could hardly have been a more fundemental and decisive shifting of political power in this country. I don't think most people have even grasped the implications yet.
They were all close but you only have to win by one vote. Its still a win.
The people have spoken.
On the other hand the Republicans have no more excuses and no one left to blame. It will be interesting to see what they accomplish in the next four years with the vast powers they have been granted. Its theirs to screw up.
:)
Wab
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No ... I think it'll be you that feels screwed once Bush and Kerry make their speaches today. Because what I'm hearing is that both sides will be reaching out to unify. If Bush's speach is what I expect it to be, he will be a "gracious winner" - a concept which is clearly lost on you.
If you think it's clearly lost on me, you're mistaken, maybe even a fool.
Of course Bush is going to reach out... in the end we are all Americans. The lunatic left does not care about this and I doubt Bush will be speaking to them.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Of course Bush is going to reach out... in the end we are all Americans. ...
Then why don't you treat the people on the BBS in that manner?
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Then why don't you treat the people on the BBS in that manner?
If you mean treating people in a reasonable manner, there is no reasoniong with the lunatic left.
If you are speaking of yourself well, you fired the first salvo. look within before you criticize without.
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Originally posted by Steve
If you mean treating people in a reasonable manner, there is no reasoniong with the lunatic left.
If you are peaking of yourself well, you fired the first salvo. look within before you criticize without.
Agree on point 1.
Using sarcasm to suggest to someone they should try to emulate the man they just voted for isn't the same as making direct insults - like you did.
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Using sarcasm to suggest to someone they should try to emulate the man they just voted for isn't the same as making direct insults - like you did.
I disagree, and thus my response.