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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on November 04, 2004, 01:01:23 AM
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For a while I'd have said no, all the countries have their share of really godawful timid fliers. For instance, most anyone who flies LW is timid by default. "Fighting" a run09 or run90 is about as exciting as picking your teeth.
But man, you go to "fight" rooks and it is just impossible. Doesn't really seem to matter what plane they are in, your average rook makes a seven year old girl scout look like a doberman rampaging through a preschool.
So far the only sure way I've seen to get a rook to engage is to be landing, although 6 or 7 will occasionally make lame duck bore n zoom passes if you manage to saddle up on one who has managed to blow all of the 7k alt advantage he started the "fight" with.
I suppose the average level of skill in the MA has declined precipitously since I first started playing this game way back when, but Rooks seem to embody all of the bad things about this game to me.
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i am rook and therefore the bad.
Cya
RTKenny
ps
it is not allowed to shoot down Kenny (first rule in the game);)
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Oh, I dunno. I'm flying Rooks quite a bit lately, and I don't feel any more lame than usual.
Which, I guess, is pretty lame. But still.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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And all this from a Bish Niki astronaut who thinks engaging equal to HO and low level turnfighting in a senseless furball? LOL
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something strange has happened:
(http://www.halos.de/ah-kd.png)
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So, about a handful of Rooks made you mad?
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For a while I'd have said no, all the countries have their share of really godawful timid fliers. For instance, most anyone who flies LW is timid by default. "Fighting" a run09 or run90 is about as exciting as picking your teeth.
Now you are just being mean. I never ran... :p
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Originally posted by RTSigma
So, about a handful of Rooks made you mad?
Rook Stratigy 2004.11 is working I see ...
Now watch us pull 45's out of our hats .
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Originally posted by ccvi
something strange has happened:
Looks like bunch of Rooks have moved over to Knights :)
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lol a graph. Those stats can be manipulated anyway wth any spin on it.
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i find bishops the most timid.
they allso have that awfull lemmings stratigy, pathetic IMO
and i flew for all 3 countries
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Originally posted by ccvi
something strange has happened:
(http://www.halos.de/ah-kd.png)
YUP, JBs switched countries :( :( :( :( :(
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Poor Bish... :D
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Urchin,
while your K/D is impressive :aok (the only stat I consider to be a worthy indicator of pilot skill) and I respect you as a pilot...
All I have to say is "SHADUP" you big whiner. Claiming that a country typifies one sort of behavior or another is the oldest, most pathetic whine in this game. :rofl
You say that ' "Fighting" a run09 or run90 is about as exciting as picking your teeth?'
Well, I hope no one looks at your stats for the past few months...lots of kills in ponies, D40s, 190s, 109s and a few in Ta152s. You like the "running" planes don't you?
As I've said, it seems like you are a decent pilot, but judging by your choice of planes, you like to have the altitude advantage and to dictate the terms of the fight. Don't get pissed if Rooks (or any country for that matter) decide to use alt against you.
In fact, you should be flattered. Your skill in battle must precede you forcing Rooks to flee the other way in search of more "lame" kills.
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That graph accurately depicts when I joined in june of this year..when I tried to get a good k/d, and how my play has changed to up/die/up/die of late.
As for the types who fly "timidly", those are the guys who fly smart. How they play that way day after day to me is had to grasp as I like engaging at either players terms, mine or his. They have fun doing what they do, as I do playing my way. Yes, it can be frustrating seeing a guy extend time after time, but all I can say is, if ya cant catch em..get a faster plane. :)
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Thats a pretty big assumption when you say somebody likes to run because of the plane they fly.
You'd be suprised what I've seen Urchin do in what you consider a plane used for running.
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Good God, All counties are basically the same. They all have timid fliers, lame fliers, alt fliers, Great fliers, etc etc... No one country has a monopoly on any one behavior.
Saw some post the other day stating ROOKS are the only ones that fly around there base at 15k and how lame that was. That crap is so funny, that same nite I up, go to a Knit field, Gee...Guess what I saw; 10 knits over there field at 18-20K.
To catagorize any one country as being dominate in any one behavior is dumb.
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Originally posted by XrightyX
Urchin,
while your K/D is impressive :aok (the only stat I consider to be a worthy indicator of pilot skill) and I respect you as a pilot...
ur kidding!! it's not an indicator of skill, it's an indicator of self-preservation, taking advantage of other's hard work, and vulching ability.
K/S would be a much better indicator, of effectiveness at least. we'll discount K/T since it's too big a variable.
but in all honesty, there's not one stat or set of stats that accurately refelects one's "skill" since skill itself can mean several things to several people. which is why you want to focus on "effectiveness" or "impact" against the baddies.
example: based on 10 sorties, player A has 10/2 for a 5:1 k/d, but only a 1:1 for k/s. player B has a 18/10 for a 1.8:1 k/d but a k/s of 1.8:1. so which player is the most "effective"? you *can* factor in K/T as an indicator of effectiveness as well. Gunnery% is only an indicator important to one's own self since ammo is basically unlimited on a global scale.
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I'd have to agree with Shane on this. Stats mean pretty much nada. Way to many variables. Each indicator can reflect so many different things. It's all about how that particular pilot is flying, what type of battles he is in. Whether he is upping capped bases getting vulched 5 times before he actually get up to kill 3 guys. Is he flying with several wingies plinking guys as there engaged...so on and so forth.
Most people after flying in this game for a few months know who the good sticks are by reputation and don't even bother worring about what there stats reflect.
To me you could be the best stick in the game, but if all you do when you die is call people names or have 5000 reasons why you died (i.e. Lame Gangers, lucky moron etc) then no matter how good they are, There just inmature punks. Besides: NO ONE CARES HOW YOU DIED!!!!
Bottom line is, this is a Game and in the big scheme of life it really doesn't matter how good you are, as long as your having fun playing the game.
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For instance, most anyone who flies LW is timid by default. "Fighting" a run09 or run90 is about as exciting as picking your teeth.
I'm hurt !
:D
Dutchie
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Stats mean pretty much nada.
Bottom line is, this is a Game and in the big scheme of life it really doesn't matter how good you are, as long as your having fun playing the game.
BULLSEYE........
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Of all the stats, and knowing who the good sticks are, I've noticed the best have the highest combination of k/s and k/t. Although sometimes k/t is harder to keep up depending on what plane they fly. But k/s is ALWAYS high, meaning the PWN3D ALL OF YOU! (except maybe the 5 guys that ran and came back to gang bang them) :p
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stats do not tell you what type of fighting is going on, whether it be 1 vs 1 or 4 vs 1, or vulching or 10 to 3, etc..........
so stats really have no ability to judge anybodys skill, it just tells how sucessful one might be as in killing planes and landing kills, it does not tell you how they got all them kills or anything of the sort....
and as we all know anyone can manipulate the stats in every category....
I am not saying anyone does this, am just saying it can be done......
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Originally posted by XrightyX
Urchin,
while your K/D is impressive :aok (the only stat I consider to be a worthy indicator of pilot skill) and I respect you as a pilot...
All I have to say is "SHADUP" you big whiner. Claiming that a country typifies one sort of behavior or another is the oldest, most pathetic whine in this game. :rofl
You say that ' "Fighting" a run09 or run90 is about as exciting as picking your teeth?'
Well, I hope no one looks at your stats for the past few months...lots of kills in ponies, D40s, 190s, 109s and a few in Ta152s. You like the "running" planes don't you?
As I've said, it seems like you are a decent pilot, but judging by your choice of planes, you like to have the altitude advantage and to dictate the terms of the fight. Don't get pissed if Rooks (or any country for that matter) decide to use alt against you.
In fact, you should be flattered. Your skill in battle must precede you forcing Rooks to flee the other way in search of more "lame" kills.
UH OHHH SOMEONE IS IN TROUBLE NOW!!!!
You obviously never fought Urchin before....
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It's already a proven fact that the majority of the Rookies are closet members of the limp wristed Rainbow Warrior squadron.
Probably explains why I fight the Bishops more often then not.
ack-ack
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bull hocky.
If K/D is an indicator of vulching it is a trivial indicator compared to k/s and k/t .
Especially in that a person can choose to fight jabo all the time and just pick fighter when they are going to a vulch.
None of the stats mean anything, the situation of the kill and the plane flown by both sides is not recorded and that is the only way you can know how much skill is attributed to a kill or a hit % or landing without dieing.
If you see someone with a high fighter score you can be sure its someone who at least wont make very stupid mistakes and someone who you dont want to give a free shot at your plane.
But other then that. The most dangerous guys in the game do not show it with score normally. Cause its not what they are trying to do.
You dont get good at really turning the tables on people unless you make a habit of getting into bad situations. You will not develop a good score in the game getting yourself in very bad situations.The best fighter guys in the game are very dangerous when they look like they are in trouble. They use SA to avoid hits that others will take, they use familierity with a certain aircraft and gun package to get hits others would miss.
They are amongst us.
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who are you directing this at Pongo? who said K/D is an indicator of vulching? I missed this somewhere........
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Originally posted by Pongo
bull hocky.
If K/D is an indicator of vulching it is a trivial indicator compared to k/s and k/t .
Especially in that a person can choose to fight jabo all the time and just pick fighter when they are going to a vulch.
None of the stats mean anything, the situation of the kill and the plane flown by both sides is not recorded and that is the only way you can know how much skill is attributed to a kill or a hit % or landing without dieing.
If you see someone with a high fighter score you can be sure its someone who at least wont make very stupid mistakes and someone who you dont want to give a free shot at your plane.
But other then that. The most dangerous guys in the game do not show it with score normally. Cause its not what they are trying to do.
You dont get good at really turning the tables on people unless you make a habit of getting into bad situations. You will not develop a good score in the game getting yourself in very bad situations.The best fighter guys in the game are very dangerous when they look like they are in trouble. They use SA to avoid hits that others will take, they use familierity with a certain aircraft and gun package to get hits others would miss.
They are amongst us.
Crap, I did forget the whole vulching factor....
But, I do like to look k/d ratio. Okay, it sort of shows how much trouble a person gets into (or stays out of)...or how much vulching they do...which ever, whatever, who cares I guess.
Edit: Read Shane's and other's posts
Fair enough (on stats, etc)...my point was that Urchin seems to be a good pilot who knows how to play the game--i.e. how not to die and how to kill others.
With his experience he should at least know that having an alt advantage and running away from someone with superior alt/E does not = limp wristed wussiness. Just means you don't want to die.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
who are you directing this at Pongo? who said K/D is an indicator of vulching? I missed this somewhere........
shane
"ur kidding!! it's not an indicator of skill, it's an indicator of self-preservation, taking advantage of other's hard work, and vulching ability.
K/S would be a much better indicator, of effectiveness at least. we'll discount K/T since it's too big a variable.
"
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Stinky bait Urchin
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Mmmmmaybe. It's a hotly contested position though.
I'd say k/t is the best indicator of pilot skill and aggression. Yes better pilots may not get very high k/t but they don't deserve any repect because they are pansies. Anyone with a high k/t has the SA to find a good fight, the balls to get into it, and the skills to capitalize on it.
g00b
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If stats are your thing good for- IMO stats are entirely subjective.
Last tour in fighter my stats were pretty poor- less than 1:1 k/d and k/s, i think all were poor except for hit %. But then i only flew the spit 1 from fields that were being vulched or heavily out-numbered. OTOH my attack stats were good- mainly flying the mossie hunting buffs. I think i had something around 6/1 k/d and a k/t of 10. My stats are complete opposites but it does't mean that i was flying poorly when under fighter and great under attacker.
I'm positive i could maintain a k/d of 10/1 with a k/t 10 and a k/s of 2.0 (think i have in some tours) if i wanted. All i would have to do is fly in a decent plane, in a horde and cherry pick + vulch every now and then. However i don't believe this would make me a better pilot despite having better stats.
I fly from vulched fields in an awful fighter because i find it challenging and fun. I hunt buffs in a mossie despite it ruining my k/t. I also enjoy furballing in the mossie despite it harming my k/d. Poor stats does not make you a poor pilot. Poor stats means you have poor stats- that's all it proves.
I do have to mention that when i was a newbie i was a stats freak. Every month i tried to achieve a higher k/d and i'm sure it motivated me to improve. However i'm past that and now i'm more focused on things i find fun. Wheter it be hunting buffs, killing gv's with a hurri 2d or upping from a vulched base in a spit 1.:)
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Goob... I'm sure I should know who you are, but I don't. Probably some timid Rook La7 flier.
Righty.. I completely understand your point about "running" if someone higher than you shows up with an E advantage. I don't understand when the HIGH guy runs .. it makes very little sense to me. Sometimes the brave ones will make one or two limp wristed bore n zoom passes if they've only got 2 to 3 on 1 odds, but usually they just miss a timid girlish pass and run.
The most common "defensive move" I see is flopping, in every plane, while running and praying their friends get there in time. All in all, it is pretty pathetic.
This is true for most of the people playing AH, but Rooks seem to have made it their MO.
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Yup.. I can see gOOb zooming around the MA right now, in his lgay7 or his tempest, looking for a vulch to boost his K/T.
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Originally posted by Urchin
... but Rooks seem to embody all of the bad things about this game to me.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
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That dumb son of a ***** doesn't blow up buildings OR fight 5 on 1, man, he makes this game ****!
Don't think there is a whole helluva lot I do they don't like, unless they are jealous that I can fight and they can't. Not really anything I can do about that. Think I'm out for good after this scenario.. hell, I wouldn't have even come back except someone wanted me to fly.
This game is just to far gone from what I used to play, I can't even begin to understand why people would choose to suck. And better still, to be proud of the fact that they suck. It is mind-boggling to me.
The Ki-84 is fun, but the gameplay still sucks the root. Like I said in the other thread, there ain't a whole helluva lot HTC can do about that, they can't control the lame-ass behaviour that seems to be self-perpetuating.
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Yup, HT can't fly the plane for them, he does all he can. MA gameplay suckiness is on us not HTC.
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Originally posted by XrightyX
Urchin,
the only stat I consider to be a worthy indicator of pilot skill
:rofl
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Urchin, your an idiot.
Carry on.
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Did I say that?
I meant to say
Urchin your a pilot.
carry on.
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Has anyone else noticed that Urchin’s whine rate seems to increase significantly every 28 days?
It seems to be on some kind of a near monthly cycle.
Check out this graph:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1099649646_urchinswom.gif)
I’m not a doctor, but I feel safe in prescribing the following to help even out Urchin’s cycle:
(http://www.bayer.ca/content/pictures/Midol.jpg)
Sorry Urchin,
I just couldn’t resist. :)
Your pal,
eskimo
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Hand grenade fishing.
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Hand grenade fishing.
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Hand grenade fishing.
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i know the movies say you're supposed to count to 3 before you toss one, but.....
Gunny says BS!!!
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So that's where all them clicks of the mouse went....oops sorry.
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:lol <-- eskimo's post
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I'm sorry, i have to agree with urchin.
Rooks are boring, usually afraid to fight 1 vs 1 co e and always have huge alt advantage.
It seems many people in this game would rather fly to an enemy base, lose their alt 1 pass and run all the way home on deck than attempt to fight - each to their own i guess.
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Originally posted by Furball
I'm sorry, i have to agree with urchin.
Rooks are boring, usually afraid to fight 1 vs 1 co e and always have huge alt advantage.
It seems many people in this game would rather fly to an enemy base, lose their alt 1 pass and run all the way home on deck than attempt to fight - each to their own i guess.
Yeah it's sad. Probably why I've been playing JTL more often than AH lately. At least in JTL, the NPCs are far more aggressive than most of the Rookies and better pilots too.
ack-ack
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To funny, I see the exact same thing when fighting Bish and knits. All counties have there timid pilots, Amazing what some people will whine about. If your not happy playing AH just move on. :D
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(http://www.gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-chateau-urchin.jpg)
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Lol Dok, pretty good.. I hear you can't fly anywhere near as good as you talk **** though.
Oh... and by the way.. "ace".. I know yer new here and all.. but you've already made quite a rep as a whiner.. hell, I think you might even be giving me a run for the title.
So in closing... pot.. this is kettle... you are black. Over.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol Dok, pretty good.. I hear you can't fly anywhere near as good as you talk **** though.
Oh... and by the way.. "ace".. I know yer new here and all.. ...
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What the hell do you care since, in your own words, I "... embody all of the bad things about this game" because of the side I fly for.
I'm new here? Really? I may be recent, but far from new.
The dumb thing, Urchin, is that I actually agree with you that MA gameplay blows goats. But tirades like yours makes things worse.
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I usually stay away from the 'Your country sucks worse than mine' posts, but I figured I'd add my two cents.
What are you more likely to pay attention to? The guys that use more 'normal' tactics, or the guys doing something you dont approve of (running, BnZ, floppy fish flying, timidness, etc.)?
I notice, in my mind, just as many dweebs out there as the rest of you...and I'm a ROOK!
Every faction has them, noone likes them, we cant stop them from doing what they're doing (bacuase to them, it's fun), so my humble suggestion is to shut up and deal with it.
(ok, I'm done, where's my prozac?)
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
(http://www.gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-chateau-urchin.jpg)
This rules!
Nice work.
Jump in anytime Arlo.
eskimo
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Dok.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/ststang2/YOUGOBOY.jpg)
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Morph u a sick puppy....lol
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Morpheus...that is disturbing.
I feel...unclean.
I don't know what kind of websites you are surfing to find those kinds of pics, but I think it may be a symptom of a disturbed mind. Please discuss this in your next tharapy session...OK. It is important.
:cool:
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The picture is not as disturbing as knowing that the afro boy is really Morph.....LOL :D
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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol Dok, pretty good.. I hear you can't fly anywhere near as good as you talk **** though.
This is so funny I got tears coming out of both eyes.......
I have not had the pleasure of running into Dok in AH/AH2 yet......
but I do vividly recall once where he whipped up on me worse than Shane&Wldthing combined.........in FR FighterTown in AW, and I thought I was better than average then...then Dok says he did not record the fight, yet the guy I was giving some tips to emailed me the film later on that Dok had originally recorded.........;)
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I might be impressed if he could do the same thing in AH.
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TC ... that wasn't me. I never ever dueled in AW, never record anything, and never went to FighterTown. Could have been someone with a similar handle; DocDoom for instance - especially if it was in a Fw.
Urchin ... you already made your "impression" quite clear in the opening post of this thread. I doubt that someone with your obvious limitations could understand the way someone such as myself plays this game.
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Oh, I doubt that DoK... from what I understand you were a fairly timid Bore N Zoom type in whatever game you used to play.. I don't doubt that you've remained the same here. That is fine, to each his own. Actually, as long as you are actively trying to kill whoever you are bore n zooming, I wouldn't even have a problem with that "style" of fighting. Most people realize they can't shoot well enough to Bore N Zoom someone who knows they are there, so they wait till their "target" gets into a fight with 3 or 4 or X number of other planes before diving in to cherrypick.
If you "fight" that way I've got no respect for you. The other Rooks probably think you are a pretty hot stick though.
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Originally posted by Urchin
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If you "fight" that way I've got no respect for you.
Your respect is even more worthless than your festering existence.
What's even sadder is that you've let your narrow-minded edicts infect the CT forums - where the last thing that's needed is reason for people not to fly there. You gripe about rotten gameplay and then undermine a group of people trying to provide a better alternative. Well done.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
TC ... that wasn't me.
my bad Dok, he had Dok as his cpid and he was in a pee38....sorry thought it was you.....no biggie...... :D
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
my bad Dok, he had Dok as his cpid and he was in a pee38....sorry thought it was you.....no biggie...... :D
Then for sure it wasn't me ... I hardly ever flew the Tvrd-He-Ate in AW.
I did used to do real-time-chat training sessions, though, on the thinking aspects on the game. That was in the real dark ages of the game, though - before the AWTA even.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Your respect is even more worthless than your festering existence.
What's even sadder is that you've let your narrow-minded edicts infect the CT forums - where the last thing that's needed is reason for people not to fly there. You gripe about rotten gameplay and then undermine a group of people trying to provide a better alternative. Well done.
Hum.. you seem to be taking this a little more personally than I had intended.
Let me just get this out in the open.. as of now.. you mean absolutely nothing to me. You are a mouth (granted, a big one) on the BBS. I don't really have opinions about people on the BBS.. I form my opinions on people given how they "fly" in the MA. So, a timid Bore n Zoomer in the MA gets a check in "worthless opinion" box.
I've never fought you.. odds are pretty good I never will. We probably move in slightly different circles in the MA.
As far as my "narrow minded edicts" infecting the CT forums.. I don't really understand what you mean. I don't post there very often, when I do it is typically about a setup. If there are people in there that agree with my that timid gangbanging Bore N Zoom girls aren't much fun to fly against... I don't much think it was my "narrow minded edicts" that caused them to formulate that opinion.
Do you still suffer from the common teenage delusion that the world revolves around you? People can't sleep at night because you hold a low opinion of them? Hell... tommorrow I'll have trouble remembering who you are.. sorry to burst your little bubble.
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Teenage? Geezuz are you way off.
Your recent crap in the CT forum revolved around how the BnZ Allies would make the current set up no fun against the IJA. Yeah, lets go stall fight against Ki-84's and Zekes in a F4U-1 ... brilliant. The Allied players should obviously play away from the strengths of their planes and into the strengths of yours. Get real.
And you have the same brand of dung here. Anyone who doesn't play your way "represents everything bad about the game." Now *that* is childish.
Get a clue ... whoever has altitude controls the fight ... period. If you're outnumbered and low, you're in trouble ... if you're outnumbered and high, you can successfully engage superior numbers. This has *nothing* to do with ruining the game ... that's how the air war was fought ... that *is* the game ... otherwise why even have more than 1 kind of plane. We've had some pretty fun fights above 15K the last couple weeks - so obviously someone other than Rooks is climbing - I guess your team mates are worthless too, huh?
And I hate to burst your bubble further but some of the most valuable people in this community probably get a check in your "worthless opinion" box.
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whoever has altitude controls the fight ... period
NOT necessarely in a 1v1 against a lower but better climbing and faster plane.
:)
Dutchie
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dam guys.
Urchin, you know your a good stick. I know your a good stick. Alot of people know your a good stick. Why try and argue that fact with someone who doesnt give a chit? It aint worth the time you spend typing it out bro.
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Lookit ...
When ENY came out there was a lot of discussion afterwards. One of the themes which came out of that was that the attitude and gameplay in the MA was poor and only the players could really change that.
Then that spawned a side discussion about how the CT was a viable option. Again - players trying to improve the quality of play in a creative way.
I saw Urchin's comments as destructive. It's one thing to say that BnZ pilots maybe aren't as skilled as the TnB's - and we could debate that forever. It's quite another to say that people who use a perfectly legitimate and well documented set of A2A tactics "represent everything bad in the game." And then to further isolate one group of people on top of that, when everyone knows that people on *all* sides are doing the same things. That kind of commentary helps nothing.
The TnB v. BnZ debate has been going on since AW first introduced the concept of physics to the game around 1988 some time (we didn't have it the first year). It's a debate that will never die - nor should it - so who cares. What really bothered me was singling out valid style of play and a third of the player base as "representing everything bad in the game."
Again ... the dumb thing is that in principle Urchin and I probably agree on most of what's wrong with the MA.
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It always amazes me that people think you can judge a persons skill by some imperical means.
K/D, K/S, K/T??? Just numbers. :rolleyes:
The only numbers I care about is my personal K/D and hit percentage. Hopefully they are getting better as time progresses.
I couldn't care spit what your numbers are. What I do care about is whether you are on my 6 or my 12 :D