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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on November 04, 2004, 04:47:51 PM
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You ready for this? Are we going there?
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1886
A new law? You tell your child NO, NO WAY, and send em to their room and about an hour later law enforcement enters your house and cuffs you and takes you away for violating someone's rights?
You find out something has happened to your child, and want to get the bastige or bech that did it, and even start out to do so and you get arrested because you broke the law but the bastige or bech didn't?
The law enforcement people cannot/willnot do anything because no law has been broken?
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Help us Jebus, the Homersexuals are coming to get us!!! :(
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Was Bacon abused as a child? He seems to have an interest in the subject. "Mystic River" involved some freaky pedophilia, and now this new one, "The Woodsman" ?
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Since we're talking about Kevin Bacon; hey Mini, if you're reading this . . . WILD THINGS!
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The age of consent in england is what? 16?
It's not so much that anyone is coming to get anyone SOB. Not even about Homo's per se. Did you read the entire artical, or did you look at the source and decide before you read it? When I read it it seemed to be talkin about children, possibly very young children, having sex with adults?
It's that there is a group of people that want to lower the age of consent considerably. Using movies etc. that portray pedophiles in a "nice light" they intend to push there agenda. Actually they are pushing, and doing so right now.
(word has it their moto is "sex before 8 or it's to late")
You might note in the artical below the author is expecting fan mail, perhaps from underage girls?
IMHO what we all are looking at here is further errosion of parental control. Some think this is good others do not.
Do you?
Does anyone want their children, at maybe 10 years old?, being given the RIGHT to have sexual relations with who ever they want? The boy in the movie is reported as 10 or maybe 11?
OH, A note... I just coppied the artical as the address did not want to transfer correctly.
Perhaps I should drop this thread? Noticed allot of people that get upset when any of this is mentioned. Seems it's one of those issue's that's just too hot???? People don't seem to want to even consider it?
SCHOOLGIRL LESBIAN SEX DRAMA FOR C4
Nov 3 2004
By Steve Purcell
A controversial new drama about schoolgirl lesbians will be shown on Channel 4 early next year, it was revealed today.
Channel 4 is making a 10-episode series based on the novel "Sugar Rush" by outspoken author Julie Burchill.
The story features a 15-year-old schoolgirl, Kim, who has a crush on her best friend, Sugar.
A Channel 4 spokeswoman said that the drama would include lesbian sex scenes but the girls cast would be at least 16.
The series will be screened in spring next year, and will take viewers "into the mind of a screwed up, loved up, lustful adolescent as she experiences the bright lights of Brighton and the rush of forbidden love for the first time".
Burchill said today: "I am pleased beyond belief that Channel 4 has seen fit to broadcast my perverted little work - I happily anticipate outrage from middle England and fan mail from underage girls."
Channel 4's commissioning editor Lucy Richer said: "Sugar Rush is a frank and unabashed voyage into modern teenage life - love, sex and family as we've never shown it before."
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Originally posted by SOB
Help us Jebus, the Homersexuals are coming to get us!!! :(
:lol :aok
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"The Woodsman"
A stunning, difficult film, "The Woodsman" stars Kevin Bacon as Walter, a middle-aged child molester released after 12 years in prison. Often unnerving because of the filmmaker's intense evocation of the titular character's horrific condition, "The Woodsman" received an enthusiastic reception here at Sundance. Festival honors seem on the horizon. Admittedly, such a topic will be a tricky sell, but "The Woodsman" should carve out a sophisticated, indie-savvy audience.
Rejected by his only blood relative, his sister, Walter ekes out a living at a lumberyard. He rides the bus back and forth to work and endures the hostility of his parole officer (Mos Def) as well as what he considers the callowness of his court-appointed therapist. He keeps to himself, struggling daily with his demons and fearful that he may revert to his old ways. Writer-director Nicole Kassel shows the thin edge Walter teeters on -- an edge that straddles normality but, just one step beyond, looms a degenerate abyss.
An insightful and probing look into one conflicted man's psyche, "The Woodsman" roils with pent-up emotions. Catastrophe seems imminent. Walter is torn between his revulsion for his acts, as well as his long-dormant attractions to prepubescent girls. It's an intense and grueling struggle, and he must face it nearly alone, save for his good-hearted brother-in-law (Benjamin Bratt) and a rambunctious co-worker (Kyra Sedgwick) who looks out for him.
This hardly sounds like a film glorifying or promoting pedophilia. Perhaps we should just ignore the subject and pretend it doesn't exsit like in the good old days.
“Three of Hearts: A Postmodern Family”
In his early twenties, Sam Cagnina, the eldest son of a Mafia hit man, meets Steven, a handsome but impressionable nineteen-year-old college student. Soon Sam, who has charisma to spare, gets an idea: "Hey, wouldn't it be great to bring a woman into the relationship?" Steven, being an easygoing guy, agrees. They spend the next seven years dating and looking for that special other one.
Another piece of bland indy flimaking crap that will likely attract an audience of hundreds (hoping for thousands with the risque premise) before it is released as a limited run DVD. I mean, really.
And this "Birth":
The disturbing film by up-and-coming director Jonathan Glazer has already stirred up controversy with provocative scenes of Kidman and the boy naked in a bathtub together.
In another shot, Kidman’s character Anna tenderly kisses the young Sean after being convinced that he is indeed her long lost husband.
Well it is creepy. Not as creepy IMO as her Scientology fetish, but stll. I imagine it will do as well as “Three of Hearts: A Postmodern Family” but cost a hell of a lot more. With luck her career will flounder, followed shortly by her ex husband, Mr. Top Gun himself. Two actors that take overrated to new heights. They haven't gone much past "Days of Thunder" IMO.
With threats this bland, and Gay marriage dropping from the radar screens post election, I bet it will get harder and harder to get people to click this link:
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/donate.php
Charon
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What I found interesting on that page was a big banner about Mel Gibson being against cloaning - I guess they forgot he's a pedophile sympathizer. You remember - "Man without a face" ?
Edit ah - here its is...
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1985
In another article they say Hollywood is seeking to promote pedophilia by putting a sympathetic face on it.
I seem to remember a film (Man without a face) with Mel Gibson playing a school teacher who seem to display pedophilic tendancies, and that character was shown in a sympathetic light.
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It's supposed to be somewhat bland and it's supposed to be a wrestle with daemons.
The goal is sympathy. The goal is to make it a part of your mind, your day, your life. Make it real from the view point of the pedophile and try to get you to SHARE.
Take a page from Hitlers book, or was it Gerbels. He made some heavy films promoting the killing of the mentally ill. Those films are most educational to watch. The daemonizing and then the appeal to be sensiable and put them out of there misery. There was also the one about the wife that chose sucide rather then put her family through terrible times. Those are the ones I remember most, there were more.
What, you think they will win converts, or allies, by showing porn?
Don't be surprised if next they show movies of people that were falsely accused.
LOL makin money by pushing a private agenda LOLROF.
Never mind.
I'm done here. :aok
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The goal is sympathy. The goal is to make it a part of your mind, your day, your life. Make it real from the view point of the pedophile and try to get you to SHARE.
Take a page from Hitlers book, or was it Gerbels. He made some heavy films promoting the killing of the mentally ill. Those films are most educational to watch. The daemonizing and then the appeal to be sensiable and put them out of there misery. There was also the one about the wife that chose sucide rather then put her family through terrible times. Those are the ones I remember most, there were more.
I guess you'd actually have to see the film to determine if the portrayal is sympathetic or not. I have no sympathy for pedophiles, and doubt any film would change that, but I have no doubt that in some cases they are tormented individuals.
Charon
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BTW, I’ve studied propaganda out of professional interest. It is not subtle, because you can’t count on subtlety to get the message across nor do you need subtlety with most people. You work to push known buttons based on demographics and reinforce and enhance existing beliefs. The example you’ve cited: “I accuse” actually wasn’t very effective at promoting euthanasia and Hitler had to back away from that direction. It wasn't very subtle either, with a clear right vs. wrong message that, fortunately, most Germans failed to buy.
Films like “The Jew Suss” and “The Eternal Jew” were more effective (and also lacked subtlety - especially The Eternal Jew), and played on various existing historical anti-Semitic beliefs (in some demographics, but not all). Using your examples the Traditional Values Web site posting the “article” is far more in line with propaganda than the movies in question, particularly to the demographic that already has most of the core beliefs promoted on the site. The TVC rhetoric of fear with a call to action would do Goebbels proud.
Charon
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Originally posted by GScholz
The age of consent here in Norway is 14. However the law says that until you're 16 the partner must be no more than 4 years older. After 16 you're free game.
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Yeah, Wrag, I read the whole article, though it was a struggle. It was tripe, starting out by condemning this mythical homosexual agenda, and making giant logical leaps trying to get the reader to believe these two movies purpose for being is to make folks think pedophelia is OK. Hell, if I'm to believe that article, "the homosexuals" are apparently trying to push every conceivable thing on us from Public Sex, to Pedophelia, to Legalized Prostitution, to Polygamy.
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In another thread I was seeking a clear discription of what "traditional values" are. The euphemism seems to change at will. But on the site posted by Wrag I found it..
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/defined.php
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TRADITIONAL VALUES DEFINED
What Are Traditional Values?
While other pro-family groups may have their own specific definitions of what "traditional values" means, here's what we consider to be traditional values:
A moral code and behavior based upon the Old and New Testaments. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that the Lord has given us a rule book to live by: The Bible. We are committed to living, as far as it is possible, by the moral precepts taught by Jesus Christ and by the whole counsel of God as revealed in the Bible.
As an outgrowth of our commitment to the Bible, we believe the following:
Right To Life: We believe that every human deserves the right to life—from conception to death—and that we do not have the right to kill unborn children nor to murder the elderly through active euthanasia. We do, however, support the death penalty. The Bible is clear that the government has the responsibility to provide for peace and security for its people. We also believe the government has the power to take the lives of those who murder others and to wage war against our enemies.
Fidelity In Marriage And Abstinence Before Marriage: Based upon biblical principles, we believe that marriage is to be a lifelong commitment. We also believe that fidelity in marriage is essential. We also believe that teenagers and young adults should be taught to abstain from sexual contact until after they are married. The epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases running rampant in our culture is evidence of the failure of the sex education movement. Violating God’s principles on chastity has dire consequences. We support the God-ordained institution of the family, which is a union of a man and woman, with or without children—and is based upon marriage, blood, or adoption.
Homosexuality, Bi-Sexuality, Transgenderism, And Other Deviant Sexual Behaviors: The Bible clearly condemns all sexual behaviors outside of marriage between one man and one woman. Homosexual behavior is explicitly condemned in both the Old and New Testaments as an abomination and a violation of God’s standards for sexuality. We oppose the normalization of sodomy as well as cross-dressing and other deviant sexual behaviors in our culture.
Pornography: The spread of pornography in our culture is a threat to the stability of families and frequently results in family break down, child molestations, and spousal abuse. We oppose this threat because it destroys families and it destroys the person who has become addicted to it. Pornography is a progressive addiction that ruins the conscience of the person. Frequently, this person acts out his sexual fantasies by molesting children, raping girls, and committing other sexual crimes—including murder.
Patriotism, Loyalty To Country, And Political Involvement: We believe that we are to be good citizens. This means we are loyal to our nation (not blind loyalty, however); we are to support our Armed Forces, law enforcement officials, and we should participate in the political process. We live in a free country but we will not remain free if we do not exercise our rights as citizens.
We believe in the principles outlined in our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and the writings of our Founding Fathers. We support free enterprise, limited government, low taxes, and personal responsibility. We believe in self government, not self indulgence. We do not believe that the federal government should extend its power over every aspect of our lives. The best government is the one that governs the least.
Religious Freedom: We are advocates of religious freedom. We believe the First Amendment to our Constitution gives all of us the right to freely exercise our religious faith and that religious faith is the cornerstone of freedom in this nation. Our Founding Fathers supported religion, purchased Bibles, established congressional chaplains, and sent missionaries to witness to the Indians. They enacted the First Amendment to protect religious freedom, not to stifle it. We are opposed to any movement in this country that will strip away our constitutional rights to freedom of religion, speech, and association.
Addictive Behaviors: We are opposed to the spread of legalized gambling in our society because this behavior frequently leads to addictions, the destruction of families, and the abuse of children. We oppose the legalization of addictive drugs and support strong law enforcement efforts against this societal scourge. We believe it is self-destructive and destructive of our culture, for individuals to become addicted to such behaviors as gambling, alcohol, smoking, pornography, or the use of drugs.
Discrimination And Tolerance: We are not tolerant of behaviors that destroy individuals, families, and our culture. Individuals may be free to pursue such behaviors as sodomy, but we will not and cannot tolerate these behaviors. They frequently lead to death. We do not believe it is loving to permit someone to kill themselves by engaging in a self-destructive behavior. We believe in “discrimination” in the good sense: choosing between good and evil, right and wrong, the better and the best. We believe in discrimination in the sense of being discerning between good and bad choices. Popular culture maintains that all forms of discrimination are wrong. This is incorrect. A person with “discriminating taste” is one who uses wisdom in making choices. In short, we believe in intolerance to those things that are evil; and we believe that we should discriminate against those behaviors which are dangerous to individuals and to society.
Love And Hate: The Bible teaches us that we are to love our enemies and do good to those who persecute us. We believe it is a loving response to oppose behaviors that destroy individuals and families. It is not loving to allow someone to kill themselves or other individuals. It is not “hate” to fight against such cultural forces as pornography, drugs, abortion, and sodomy.
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Sorry to post the entire thing here, but to make my point, you have to see it in context.
Is it just me, or has the definition of "traditional values" sidestepped racism and bigotry? WHY would they sidestep it?
Why not in all the spiel about "discrimination sometimes being a good thing" is it even hinted that RACISM IS WRONG.
Do you find the definition of "love" a little scary? Under that definition you could imprison someone for life, without due process, out of "love."
You see, I believe all the "traditional values" strategy works only because those using it aren't pinned down enough and made to say exactly what they are talking about.
>>While other pro-family groups may have their own specific definitions of what "traditional values" means, here's what we consider to be traditional values:
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Well if each group has its own definition, what makes them traditional???? Would AGENDA be more apt?
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I don't see the bigotry aspect, but clearly they believe in knowing better than someone else what is right, wrong, safe, dangerous or amoral for that individual person and working to their view of right and wrong enforced on that person.
You have to wonder what their views are on sex and sexual activities, married and otherwise, for purposes other than procreation. Once they get rid of all the other deviants is it time to crack down on improper heterosexual married sex?
Also, many of their positions seemed to be mighty Old Testament in focus. I guess no water gets turned into wine around there. Are these guys orthodox Jews or Christians? I bet Jesus wouldn't get along well with this type of Christian.
There is also this contradiction:
We believe in the principles outlined in our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and the writings of our Founding Fathers. We support free enterprise, limited government, low taxes, and personal responsibility. We believe in self government, not self indulgence. We do not believe that the federal government should extend its power over every aspect of our lives. The best government is the one that governs the least.
Which is great, unless of course the government is doing Gods work where abortion, pornography, drugs, and gay marriage is concerned or, apparently "...(sending) missionaries to witness to the Indians."
Charon
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>>I don't see the bigotry aspect<<
Read through the list. You will see a lot of "We oppose" under things like sexual behavior, drinking and gambling. I defy you to find one "We oppose" under discrimination or "Love and hate."
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I just meant racial bigotry. Obviously they see good thinking right-minded people on one side and the deviant elements that need to be protected from themselves on the other.
Charon
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Well lets just say its conspicuously absent under discrimination and "Love and hate." I mean they go as far to tell you what body part can touch what body part (and if it aint just right, thats sodomy and they oppose it), but get very vague on discrimination and "love and hate."
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I've prosecuted child molesters and dealt with their victims. I don't think I have much interest in seeing a movie about one.
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Dune, no one wants to see a movie about child molesters for the sake of watching child molesters (except a deviant). That pretty much goes without saying.
I imagine only the sickest of the sick watched "The Boston strangler" too see women get raped and killed.
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To me, what totally sucks more than anything about all this soul searching regarding teh ghey is that, well, it seems like we're gonna be reading endless stuff about teh ghey.
I don't think about teh ghey, and teh ghey don't think about me.
Works for me.
But no... already it's ghey this, ghey that.
I can think of no group of people more insistant on thinking about and talking about teh ghey than the people who profess to hate teh ghey. What is wrong with you people? Quit with teh ghey garbage already.
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Holy... just as I hit 'submit reply' who else but Jerry Fawell pops up on the TV talking about (what else?) TEH GHEY.
Jesus.
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Originally posted by Nash
Holy... just as I hit 'submit reply' who else but Jerry Fawell pops up on the TV talking about (what else?) TEH GHEY.
Jesus.
Jesus was Ghey?
NwBie
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Originally posted by GScholz
Huh?
hehe, i had a "clever" comment that i deleted before the cops could see it :D
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Originally posted by Nash
I can think of no group of people more insistant on thinking about and talking about teh ghey
...than "teh ghey". I don't care about em and don't want to talk about em. It seems that every time the subject is thrown in my face for forced approval, it is by"teh ghey".
I can only tell "teh ghey", of which a few members of my family are part of, to STFU and live their lives. Be the +/- 7% of the population and thrive in your minority. Leave your lifestyle to yourselves and leave me out of it. Do whatever you want, just don't tell me that I am required to accept it. Tolerate it, I will. Accept it??, naw, that aint happenin. Family members? I still love them as I always have, but I don't have to accept what they do to love them.
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98% of pedophiles are hetrosexual, and most molested children are molested by a parent, other relative or close friend of the family. Does that mean hetrosexuality and close family bonds cause child molesting? If we apply the same kind of logic on Wrag's anti gay hate site that they use in condemning homosexuality then the answer is a resounding "yes."
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I think gays are lots of fun a long as the basic rules are set. I classmate of mine is gay and he is one of the funniest little persons i know. :D
Homophobes belong in the desert and lesbians are always welcome in my bed.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Homophobes belong in the desert and lesbians are always welcome in my bed.
Really?! I've heard a lot of the dudes on this board refer to themselves as lesbians. You nancy!
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Originally posted by SOB
Really?! I've heard a lot of the dudes on this board refer to themselves as lesbians. You nancy!
Do we have lesbians on this board? Where and what do they look like?
Stop flirting with me you tease... you know im all yours my wooly friend :cool:
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Originally posted by Gaylord
98% of pedophiles are hetrosexual, and most molested children are molested by a parent, other relative or close friend of the family. Does that mean hetrosexuality and close family bonds cause child molesting? If we apply the same kind of logic on Wrag's anti gay hate site that they use in condemning homosexuality then the answer is a resounding "yes."
Well hmmm .... OK that site is not mine.
As to my reason for placing this information here......
Been around awhile, seen allot. Allot more then this site covers. There is allot more information out there. Some of the information these people are claiming to be true is in fact available on other sites that are NOT anti-gay or anti-anything but actually pro. Go look.
As to your claim about most molested ..... where are your "facts"? Who got together those "facts"? Who paid em?
As to gay.... I don't care if you or anyone else is gay. Your choice your business. I have had friends of all types. Still maintain contact with many. I believe in freedom, and the right to chose for yourself who and what you want to be. I do want very much for that to be an educated freedom. Educated and aware of what that choice creates.
HEY!
YOU HAVE IT.
ALL OF YOU HAVE IT.
You have access to the greatest source of information ever thus far in history.......
Search and look and seek and find.
You can find information quickly that used to take many people looking many places for a long time.
The internet ......... Use it PLEASE.
A hint? Perhaps start with NAMBLA? Although that should have been pretty much self-evident.
As to the other information?
There are other orgainizations that seek change. Look and read. You will find em. You may have to get past their initial site and look deeper but the information is there.
Instead of what seems to be an auto-hate response why not try to look for more info?
Ya if some one seems to hate you or your way of life it is easy to hate back. Probably easier then trying to see if the information they put forth has any merit.
See it the info has any merit. Then respond?
I know for some that is too much to ask but for many, probably the majority, it's not.
Everyone want's to do this or do that for the children.
OK do this for the children. LOOK!
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man, I just get this creepy vision of you surfing nambla and pedophile sites at 3am... take a break dood
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LOL nope!
Only recall looking once, and only at about 3, and don't care to see any of em ever again thank you.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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once a pedophile is positively identified he should be put down as mercifully as possible. It is not a good idea to leave a bunch of ticking time bombs layinmg around.
each pedophile destroys a lot of lives and causes countless misery... they themselves are in a hell on earth. for everyones sake we should treat their incurable illness with a leathal injection... if some chose to forgo the injection and agree tro be studied in the confines of a very secure place for the rest of their life then that would be ok too.
They should never, under any circumstances, be allowed out in the population.
lazs
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I like Lazs' plan.
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get out the vote sob. we have to work hard if we are to defeat the wussie volvo (a type of car "artists" drive) driving berret wearers. We can't get too confident that the "giant sweetheart sandwich" vote will neutralize the canadian girly man vate.
lazs
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Originally posted by SOB
Since we're talking about Kevin Bacon; hey Mini, if you're reading this . . . WILD THINGS!
You bastard.
Denise Richards topless = Good
Denise kissing Neve = VERY Good
Kevin Bacon full frontal = Wrong. So very wrong.
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Originally posted by Nash
To me, what totally sucks more than anything about all this soul searching regarding teh ghey is that, well, it seems like we're gonna be reading endless stuff about teh ghey.
I don't think about teh ghey, and teh ghey don't think about me.
Works for me.
But no... already it's ghey this, ghey that.
I can think of no group of people more insistant on thinking about and talking about teh ghey than the people who profess to hate teh ghey. What is wrong with you people? Quit with teh ghey garbage already.
It's the media reporting that Christian conservatives and the gay marriage ban won the election for Bush....it was not that simple...many issues Americans believe in affected their vote.
How silly is it to quote a media machine that doesn't have the sense to know it's out of touch with the country....elites all huddled together in large media markets.