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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: KCDitto on November 05, 2004, 12:35:03 AM
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I have had enough.
The damn Fw's lose oil get pilot wounds lose wings with one ping from .50's from buffs
I hit them with 30mm and watch flashes and they fly home.
don't give me any crap about me hitting with 13mm cuz I bleed that ammo all away.
the power of the German guns is CRAP.
might as well use harsh language at them as good as the gunns are doing
I am quitting
Can't belive I am paying to make myself frustrated like this
I am DONE!!!!!!!!!!
JB72
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have some beer, smoke a joint man.
shish...
Bozon
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(http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/ATA/24818BP.jpg)
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The MK 108 was always my second favorite gun in AH, second only to the NS-37.
I don't believe the MK 108 is at all underpowered (as of 2.0 anyhow, haven't flown a 109 since school started lol). The problem with the 108 has always been MV.
-Sik
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I have no problem shooting down buffs in a D-9. Let's see how the MA did in general last tour:
Fw 190D-9 has 911 Kills of B-17G
B-17G has 367 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190D-9 has 653 Kills of B-26B
B-26B has 293 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190D-9 has 1222 Kills of Lancaster III
Lancaster III has 227 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190D-9 has 218 Kills of Ju 88
Ju 88 has 34 Kills of Fw 190D-9
And the A-8:
Fw 190A-8 has 632 Kills of B-17G
B-17G has 232 Kills of Fw 190A-8
Fw 190A-8 has 516 Kills of B-26B
B-26B has 174 Kills of Fw 190A-8
Fw 190A-8 has 834 Kills of Lancaster III
Lancaster III has 128 Kills of Fw 190A-8
Guess you need to work on your technique.
And your whine score is a little low too, maybe you should work on that as well.
Do you really fly in the JB squad? I normally admire their opinions.
However if this was a JB squad troll, well you got me, I swallowed hook, line, and sinker!
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Attacking bombers with a 30mm is no problem unless you're taking bad shots at a not very vulnerable part of the plane. Try putting 5 30mm rounds right at the base of the wings. You'll get your quick kills there. Also try dropping 30mm rounds into the cockpit HO. The quick closure rate makes the bullets much more deadly to the buffs. And finally, try to attack bombers from anywhere but the rear, again closure rate will be faster and rounds more deadly. This also keeps you out of their tail gunners cone of fire, and makes it harder for them to lite up your engine.
-pellik
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Fw 190D-9 has 218 Kills of Ju 88
Ju 88 has 34 Kills of Fw 190D-9
I would just like to point out that 3 of those kills of the D9 were mine =).
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And 3 of the Ju88 kills would be mine if I could afford to pay for a sub lol :)
:aok
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I was flying the TA-152H and 3 times in a row as i swept in from the side angle I got pinged and lost my 30mm hub gun.
I was just really frustrated at how the buffs are pilot wounding and ripping my wings of from 1.5 away.
I think that is good that you find it EASY to knock down buffs in your D-9
I fly the D-9 and get hit in the radiator just being near a buff.
I had no problems before, I just noticed all these things with the NEW game.
I 'll get over it But I am taking a break for awile
gonna do somthing constructive with my time LOL
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Instead of spending your time posting on the BBS, you may want to spend time figuring out why you allow a bomber to shoot up your plane???
The A8 has a very powerful guns package, either the 4 20mm or 2 20mm 2 30mm are buff killers extraordinaire.
190s are fighters, and buffs are targets. Attack the buff from the high 11 to 1, avoid any other attack unless the buff is engaging another fighter, then pounce on him and shred him. :D
Anyone who says the Luftwobble planes has poor guns is a bit suspect on their experience IMHO.
I have picked the 190A8 as my ride of choice based on the ENY value first (I want a plane I can fly anytime I want too, not when HiTech decides to allow me to) then the guns package, and finally speed and handling (unreal roll rates). Other than the endless wep and being fairly tough, the 190A8 has little else to recommend.
The things turn like a lumber wagon with flat tires. So keep it in the vertical. :aok
If it weren't for the ENY, you would rarely see me in a 190. There are a lot better planes out there than the 190s, but none so good with such a high ENY and mean guns package.
Your mileage may vary :)
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still not talking about how a .50 calibur round goes through my engine and takes out my 30MM hub cannon from 1.5 away 3 times in a row
is it a bug that the hub cannon gets knocked out every time a buff shoots at it.
or getting pilot wounds from buffs doing a HO attack
I attack from the 2 position on the buff and go after the # 3 plane
I am gettting oil and pilot hit every time
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Well that is a rather stupid thing to say Fodder... all it really takes is a little experience to see that the LW guns are indeed quite poor. They are functional, sure, but compared to most other 20mm guns they are somewhat lacking.
If anyone recommends the LW planes on the basis of firepower alone, they are out of their minds. A Spit 9 with 2 Hizookas and 2 .50s has as much firepower as a 190A8 does, with roughly the same speed, better climb and acceleration, and much better handling. There is a reason the 190A's are relatively uncommon, and since they have similar speed to the far more common Spit/Nik, I've gotta go with the lack of firepower.
Especially when you look back on the C-Hog, which handled similarly to a 190A5, was marginally faster, but had 4 Hizookas. Why was that plane so popular for so long? I'm sure the answer is staring me right in the face, but I just can't see it.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Anyone who says the Luftwobble planes has poor guns is a bit suspect on their experience IMHO.
151/20 are really poor guns. BTW, You may suspect as much as you want about my experience.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Especially when you look back on the C-Hog, which handled similarly to a 190A5, was marginally faster, but had 4 Hizookas. Why was that plane so popular for so long? I'm sure the answer is staring me right in the face, but I just can't see it.
Ahem.... Our 190A5 performs in NO way like the lead-brick Chog.
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yea!
watch what happends when you score hit with cannons from a C-hog or a typhe or temp.
Planes explode fron these guns.
if you are in a LW plane you are lucky to see a plane lose parts with flashes. if you score enough hits you see planes explode but nothing compared to the snap shot one ping hit from a C-hog!
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well, I haven't flown this month, just got back from 2 weeks in bush Alaska.
I was 101 and 9 in the 190A8 last month, you hit a plane with those 4 cannons and the puppy goes down. Shreds buffs too. Most fighter kills are one burst, two at the most.
I don't like the Spits, they are way slow. but they do have Hizookas.
Just because the 190 20mm aren't as good as the Hispanos doesn't equate to being poor.
I only shoot from D200 and under. I also rarely allow myself to go under 300 mph unless climbing. Up close and personal the 151/20's seen pretty deadly to me. Obviously I'm in a minority.
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According to Tony William's site, the Hispano had a heavier round, moving at a higher MV. It should be no wonder that it's a significantly better gun than the 151/20. I mean, each hispano round is 28mm longer than the 151/20 round.
As a Yak Flyer, I think the differences are simliar between the ShVAK and Hispano, with the ShVAK round being 11 mm shorter. Although I notice the difference more in range, than in hitting power (my aim is for ****, and I have to close in a LOT closer to hit with the ShVAK, than with a Hizooka, or .50). I imagine this has something to do with MV, but I really don't know.
When it comes to the Elephant guns though, I've never noticed the 30mm to be at all underpowered. Especially if you consider how many rounds you are hitting with. Compare the single 30mm on a Ta-152, or a 109G, to the 4 Hispanos on the CHOG and Tampoon, and I'm sure you can see the difference in weight of fire alone.
-Sik
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Anyone who says the Luftwobble planes has poor guns is a bit suspect on their experience IMHO.
Maybe if the JBs get out of their spits and learn how to fly the LW planes, then maybe . . . . .. oh, never mind :D
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
well, I haven't flown this month, just got back from 2 weeks in bush Alaska.
I was 101 and 9 in the 190A8 last month, you hit a plane with those 4 cannons and the puppy goes down. Shreds buffs too. Most fighter kills are one burst, two at the most.
I don't like the Spits, they are way slow. but they do have Hizookas.
Just because the 190 20mm aren't as good as the Hispanos doesn't equate to being poor.
I only shoot from D200 and under. I also rarely allow myself to go under 300 mph unless climbing. Up close and personal the 151/20's seen pretty deadly to me. Obviously I'm in a minority.
Foder...
You know the JB's bring along handlers to hold down the babyseals for em:D :D :D
Obviously we're dealing with a defective seal holder here:aok
J/K....actually fun having you guys as kniggits <>
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Originally posted by Scrap
Ahem.... Our 190A5 performs in NO way like the lead-brick Chog.
actually if you read his post, he's talking to the pre-perked and weighted down Chog of the olden days.
back then the 190A5 was avaliable with similar handling... yet not flown 1/8 the ammount. why?
guns.
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I feel your pain, sounds like a bad night?
Look, I'm forever amazed that in all these threads, people request all these new airplanes. And now we have oodles to select from. Yet anytime I go into the Main Arena and play, all I see are Spits and La7s !! ;)
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No one is saying the hispano isnt the best gun in the game are they? I dont think the german guns so bad as it is the hispano is so good that they seem poor in comparison.
Someone post that picture of the ammo all side by side - that explained it pretty well to me.
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Originally posted by Zanth
No one is saying the hispano isnt the best gun in the game are they? I dont think the german guns so bad as it is the hispano is so good that they seem poor in comparison.
Someone post that picture of the ammo all side by side - that explained it pretty well to me.
(http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/20mm1.jpg)
The 151/20 is the the 20x82 round (I believe) the Hispano is 20x110.
I Know theres another shot out there that has the 30mm in there (and a .50 and a bunch of others) but I don't know where it is.
-Sik
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http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2aircart2.jpg
No sooner had I posted, than I found this lol.
The picture is huge though, so I didn't want to embed it.
-Sik
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WOW,
Those are cool pics.
I guess I need to clarify what the hell I am complaining about.
I have flown sims starting in 96. I fly LW planes all the time. I have been flying the FW in AH for 3 years.
WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.
I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.
I used to mak HO passes on a formation with my A-8 taking out 2 planes on first pass.
Now they hit and maybe take out a wing or leave em smoking.
So, can we agree that with the new patch the guns are not as potent as they once were?
Yes they are not as strong as the Hizooka
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Here is an image posted by Pyro several years ago.
(http://www.aksquad.com/ahinfo/misc/ammo.gif)
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Originally posted by KCDitto
WOW,
I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.
I used to mak HO passes on a formation with my A-8 taking out 2 planes on first pass.
Yes they are not as strong as the Hizooka
Hey 77,
If you fire at convergence, then all sprites you see will more than likely have a good fraction of 30mms. However, if you aren't firing at convergence, then you have no way of knowing whether the hit sprites are 13mm, 20mm or 30mm.
Hit a buff wing with 3 30mm and it's going down. Hit a buff fuselage with 3 or more 30mm and bad things have just happened to the buff.
The buff has a better gun platform than an attacker, right? He's (more than likely) flying level and he's tracking his tracers right onto your plane. You're being whacked by (4 50s) x however many see you. You may well have 12 50s firing at you. Just as bad, if you are flying towards the buff, your velocity gets added into the 50cals hitting you.
There is no safe attack against a b17. Directly above it and across the wings is almost impossible to stop though. The b24 is extremely vulnerable to overhead attacks since the top turret doesn't traverse all the way.
I would venture to say that a really good gunner in a b17 is completely impervious to a known single plane attack.
curly
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Originally posted by KCDitto
WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.
There have been several changes in the way damage is applied to drones. That could have something to do with it.
-Sik
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The Hispano's ballistics is a far bigger advantage than their lethality. It's almost like a .50 cal.
Gunners do seem to dole out an amazing number of 1st-hit engine kills and pilot wounds - it ain't just the Fw.
Also, the apparently reduced lethality from dead-6 shots for all weapons has come up in other threads lately.
The 190's handling also is a factor in their level of use in the MA. As Foker mentioned, they don't turn at all well ... the A5 ain't as bad. The roll rate is intoxicating, but the low-speed handling when coming over the top is real harsh. And the onset spin when making a break turn calls for a very different touch when flying the plane. The Corsair is comparatively tame in these regards.
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Originally posted by KCDitto
WOW,
I guess I need to clarify what the hell I am complaining about.
I have flown sims starting in 96. I fly LW planes all the time. I have been flying the FW in AH for 3 years.
WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.
I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.
That's really wierd. I'm having the exact opposite results. I fighter sweep in a G10 with just the 30mm or 3x20mm setups (depends if i expect bombers or not). My fighter accuracy jumped 2% since the patch came out. My attack accuracy jumped 28% so far this month.
I think part of it is that I'm getting more patient, waiting for better sight pictures, and being more conservative with guns (only 60 30mm rounds do that to ya). However, I did feel like it was easier to hit with LW guns when 2.01 came out. As for the Hispano... well, now I really, really appreciate the C-Hog after flying it on & off this month.