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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on November 05, 2004, 10:32:26 PM
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Arizona passes Prop 200 with double digit numbers, despite being outspent 5-1 by illegal alien sympathizers.
Prop 200 basically denies some public services to illegals and requires proper ID in order to vote. Seems pretty reasonable, right?
Well reports from Hispanic groups are saying that "imigrants" are now in a panic and living in fear since 200 passed. LOL! Why would legal imigrants be afraid?
This measure kicks arse and the illegals can go suck an egg.
And Vicente Fox demanded today that Bush reform imigration laws within one year. He can go fugg himself as far as I'm concerned.
Poor illegals have to live illegally in fear of being denied American tax payer funded benifits. Great news! Live in "fear" Illegals, I love it.
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Why were the sympathizers illegal?:confused:
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I fixed it
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Arizona has an estimated 500,00 illegal aliens living here at a cost to the state of about 1 billion dollars a year. 40% of all illegal aliens cross Arizona's border with Mexico.
The issue has to be delt with and prop 200 was a small step in the right direction.
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So now the sympathizers are illegal aliens? :confused: :)
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hmmm. They will just simply move to California or Nevada...
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If Mexico was so concerned about its folks immigrating out to the USA, they'd militarize their border. I have no tolerance for illegal immigration, send em packing...build a human catapult to send em back across for all I care. They are a huge disservice to those that come thru *legally*.
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If Mexico was so concerned about its folks immigrating out to the USA,
No it's the opposite. Fox wants us to basically open our borders more.
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Sad state of affairs. Tends to lead to complicated issues of the "American Dream" vs the Americans' responsibility.
Pay nothing in, get everything out.
But come here seeking what everyone that risked everything coming here was looking for.
It's a shame that they come over illegally. I think that almost everyone would welcome them if they could do it legit.
But acceptance of a new culture and language used to be not only the norm, but what they desired. Not so anymore it seems.
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Originally posted by NUKE
And Vicente Fox demanded today that Bush reform imigration laws within one year.
Or what?
He gonna try to retake the Alamo or something?
Screw Fox and the Illegals.
You can shoot em all as far as Im concerned
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Yanno what we should do.
Bypass Fox and take it right to the Mexican people.
Ask them if they want Mexico to become a state.
Might as well. It seems most would rather come here anyway.
I seem to remember hearing someplace that mexico has a vast amount of national resources its just that its undeveloped.
Make Mexico a state and develop its resources.
Then everyone wins
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Or what?
He gonna try to retake the Alamo or something?
LOL! :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yanno what we should do.
Bypass Fox and take it right to the Mexican people.
Ask them if they want Mexico to become a state.
Might as well. It seems most would rather come here anyway.
I seem to remember hearing someplace that mexico has a vast amount of national resources its just that its undeveloped.
Make Mexico a state and develop its resources.
Then everyone wins
I know you were posting this as a bit of tongue in cheek but it does have some merit. Unfortunately it would be very expensive at least in the short run, say about 50 years. There ARE resources there but not necessarily in the magnitude that would make this profitable very quickly. The other factor and the determining one is that the Mexican people wouldn't want to scarifice their soveriegnty.
It is an interesting thought but not really feasable.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I know you were posting this as a bit of tongue in cheek but it does have some merit. Unfortunately it would be very expensive at least in the short run, say about 50 years. There ARE resources there but not necessarily in the magnitude that would make this profitable very quickly. The other factor and the determining one is that the Mexican people wouldn't want to scarifice their soveriegnty.
It is an interesting thought but not really feasable.
Actually a bit yes. but only a very little bit.
I dont think it would take all that long.
Im thinking closer to ten years then 50
I see Tourism being a major boom to them in the short term right from the outset.
Developers would have a feild day that would last years and years.
Think of all the retirees. Florida is getting kinda full
They wouldnt have to go to the money and come here.
the money would go to them.
As for sovereignty.
Thats why I said to bypass Fox and pose the question to the mexican people themselves. they still would have a measure of sovereignty the way the rest fo the states do.
The only ones I can see being against this would be the Texans as it really would make Texas the third largest state:)
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The next time Fox makes a visit tell him to bring enough busses to take all his citizens home when he leaves.
Let's see... that would be 5,000,000 divided by 50. Or about.... aah... 100,000 busses.
Maybe we'd have to lend them some....
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wait wait wait, hold the phone, you mean all these mexicans here in Tucson are illegals, man I just thought we had a killer tourism market.
Funny story actually, a guy im friends with here who is a sheriff was telling me about a time he got called to some houses in the country. Turns out some illegals who had jumped the border were knocking on doors asking for water. When he showed up and started talking with them he found out they had been started walking at mexico city. Now that is one hell of a walk just too come here to the US, he said he felt kinda bad putting them on a bus and shipping them back after they put that much effort into it.
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The problem is that much of the law is poorly written. (BTW, I voted in favor of it). There are questions as to whether a EMT or rescue personal must check id before providing emergency services and other things. The basic idea is sound, but they left a lot of the finer questions open. I believe that it will be found unconstitutional based on it being too vague. However I voted becuase it was more of a message thing rather than believing it would stand up to a legal challenge.
Sad thing is, much like drugs and booze, the only way to ever stop UDA's is to cut off the demand. As long as busineses, be they corporations like Wal-Mart or small ones, can hire UDA's without any fear of having the crap fined out of them, the UDA's will come. Only by making it more expensive to hire UDA's will people quit using them. And only when there isn't a demand for their services will they stop making the dangerous trek across the border.
And neither party, despite what the Dem's say, want to piss off corporate America enough to enforce currant laws against the hiring of UDA's.
No demand, no supply.
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Dune, didn't the same thing happen in California?( Prop 187, I think)
There has to be some measure we can use to put a dent in the public services Illegals take advantage of.
Also, everytime an Illegal is identified, no matter how long they have lived here or how established they are, they should be deported. Should they return, they should go to jail for a while and then deported.
I agree that the demand side has to be delt with as well, but I see no reason to look the other way rather than penalize Illegals for their crimes as well.
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And neither party, despite what the Dem's say, want to piss off corporate America enough to enforce currant laws against the hiring of UDA's.
I don't think most illegals are working for corporations. They are mostly working for very small businesses where it is easier to slip them in under the radar. I'm really puzzled why neither party has the sacks to do anything about such a rampant problem.
ra
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The courts have said immigration is a federal matter, so please direct future whining on this issue to the Republican party.
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SOrry but I say give the guys work cards. Make them work ON THE BOOKS and TAX THEM!
This will help offset expenses that they cause. There will no longer be any sympothy for illegals and employers can still get cheap labor.
Just my opinion though.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
SOrry but I say give the guys work cards. Make them work ON THE BOOKS and TAX THEM!
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belive me , they not dream about nothing more
then legelise them here