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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on November 06, 2004, 01:29:49 PM
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8 French killed in Ivory Coast (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/11/06/ivorycoast.ap/index.html)
First of all, my sincere condolences to the families of these men and to the people of France for this loss.
The Ivory Coast situation is one where the UN/SC seems to have basic agreement. It will now be interesting to see what is done. Will the UN act more forcefully? Will the UN withdraw?
The Iran/nuke situation is clearly not moving in the direction the UN would desire. That is another interesting thing to watch, given all the advice freely offered on the NK nuke situation.
The Sudanese genocide is also clearly not moving in the direction the UN would desire.
I'll be watching the IC to see if the UN has decided to take a more active role in the world today.
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Apparently the French are sending down some Mirages.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Apparently the French are sending down some Mirages.
what are they going to do thrawn, kill some "innocent civilians"?
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How many deaths of "innocent civilians" will the United Nations accept to bring stablity to the region?
And, BTW, I'm very sorry to hear about the deaths of the French solders. They were following the orders of their Government in a dangerious place and time.
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Chirac is Hitler!
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Good luck to the soldiers down there and i hope that they can protect the innocent people caught up in this.
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If this had happened to US troops the Democrats would be holding hearings on why there weren't already Mirages there. Just sayin.
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Sorry to see the loss of life there. But I can't wait to see how Chirac and the UN handles this. I can hear the phone in the White House ringing now.
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Originally posted by doobs
Sorry to see the loss of life there. But I can't wait to see how Chirac and the UN handles this. I can hear the phone in the White House ringing now.
Well I believe French will take care of this civilwar better than you did in Vietnam.
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lol
Stage,
The French were in Vietnam first and couldn't handle it...
Vietnam was a UN action not a unilateral US response to communism.
You would be better off comparing it to Iraq but even then take a look who the French and the British handled insurrection in the middle east following World War 1.
Or just take a look at there many actions in Africa, Algeria for one.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good luck to the soldiers down there and i hope that they can protect the innocent people caught up in this.
About 17/15 000 French civilians.
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lol Stega,pick up a history book before you make a comment like that. The French completly dropped the ball on that one and once again the World had to save their oscar.
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How about we
the French troopers trying to keep the peace and discuss how the UN handles/should handle this.
And the genocide in Sudan and the Iranian nuke situation. Here's a chance for the UN to act in a meaningful manner.
What should they do? Will they do anything?
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What they just said. Man don't get too many of those home run pitches in here and I'm 4 posts late.
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Sudan has been fugged up since at least the 80's and nobody has done anything much to help.
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Sorry to hear about those French soldiers. Lets hope the UN steps up to the plate this time.
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Oh my............Whats Jock Shirock going to do now?
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I think you're mixing up Vietnam and Korea there. The Vietnam War was in no way a UN action (you think Russia and China would have voted for that?).
Correct, but instead it was a NATO(which is basically UN minus the Commies) action as was Korea.
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Originally posted by Staga
Well I believe French will take care of this civilwar better than you did in Vietnam.
You mean after French F**k up Vietnam and pulled out leaveing a civil war for us to fix.:rolleyes:
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No. NATO had nothing to do with the Vietnam War or the Korean War. NATO's first military action was in Bosnia assisting the UN with warplanes.
Nice Try, but try again there bud
Click here (http://www.kne.gr/nato-50-years.htm)
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Originally posted by Toad
How about we the French troopers trying to keep the peace and discuss how the UN handles/should handle this.
And the genocide in Sudan and the Iranian nuke situation. Here's a chance for the UN to act in a meaningful manner.
What should they do? Will they do anything?
Typicaly most whine and complain about the French not being involved in something, and when they do - some still hope for failure so they can heckle from the side lines and say I told you so! :rolleyes:
Perhaps the real solution would be for the AU to provide an african solution and provide a combined peacekeeping force
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -------
Typicaly most whine and complain about the Americans not being involved soon enough in something, and when they do get involved early or alone - some still hope for failure so they can heckle from the side lines and say I told you so! :rolleyes:
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to the soldiers serving where they're anything but welcome.
The rest of the world will be watching how this unfolds.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I think you're mixing up Vietnam and Korea there. The Vietnam War was in no way a UN action (you think Russia and China would have voted for that?).
Yup, you are correct...
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This just in...The French Gov't has just surrendered to the Ivory Coast.
Somebody had to do it :aok
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Chriac is a farging moron... the UN an impotent noodle.
Godspeed French troops.
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France's U.N. Ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere said he will draft a resolution to impose an arms embargo on Ivory Coast
*giggle*
Paris also will seek to impose U.N. sanctions against those blocking the peace process, violating human rights and preventing the disarmament of fighters, he said.
*giggle*
Oh the sweet justice in this irony(apart from the loss of life, no laughing matter) Disarm the insurgents!!!!! Oh wait, maybe they are just freedom fighters... lol.
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Fortunately for me, what you see and do not see is completely moot to me.
Have a nice day.
UN mandate? lol, who gives a fediddle?
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gsholze you are a discovered moron and hypocrit. go buy a casket and put the world at ease.
and oh yeah......
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Thinking of Sudan and the lack of action against genocide do you know where is Chad ?
JBA wasn't uncle Ho your creation ?
Irocz you can put your coments where they belong : in that dark smelly place of your anatomy.
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Irocz that website is pure crazy communist lies and delusions. You really should look into what their communists did to greece in the immediate postwar years before you belive them and their websites...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Irocz that website is pure crazy communist lies and delusions. You really should look into what their communists did to greece in the immediate postwar years before you belive them and their websites...
Sure but that's forgiving the Greek commies where fighting the German when the Greek king and governement were ... in vacation ?
Plus the KKE was trying to set up something between Titism and communism something uncle Joseph was not ready to support :)
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I see no morality and I have no forgiveness for a group that fought Hitler and the nazis one year then immediately after the war turned on their fellow countrymen and started a brutal terror filledc civil war in order to bring their nation under the domination of Stalin. They are not heroes, they ware no patriots, they are only brainwashed communst stooges - and the website proves thsat they are so even today.
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Actually they didn't started :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
....The warring parties in Iraq have not agreed to having US troops oversee any ceasefire agreement. The UN did not support the US actions.
The warring parties who did agree to uphold the ceasefire agreement were the countries of the Gulf War 1 coalition. The US , UK, and others were in, near, and above Iraq since the end of the '91 Gulf War, enforcing the ceasefire agreement. The UN did support this with a dozen resolutions and with sanctions.
It is only the last action that the US/UK and others took that the UN did not endorse. However it did not condemn it either as two of the invading parties had veto power over any such condemnation.
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Iraq barred Americans from serving with the inspection teams in 1997. Prior to 1997 Americans were officially in Iraq.
I said the "US , UK, and others were in, near, and above Iraq since the end of the '91 Gulf War" I did not mention troops, although I would be surprized if manuvers from neighboring countries did not use some Iraqi territory occasionally.
The '91 war was not over a decade ago as there is no treaty. Like the Korean war there exists only a cease fire and therefore neither are technically over, although there is now no one now to sign a treaty for the baathists.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Indeed the US and UK lost the vote in the UNSC outright with no vetoes being used.
As I remember it the vote never took place.
Usually members of the SC get countries promises of support before a vote is scheduled.
In March 2003, the UK was to propose an 18th UNSC resolution that would force a deadline but with a French promise of a veto the proposal was dropped.
If you have a source that backs you contention please share it with me.
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So then my memory was correct and the vote in the SC did not take place...thanks.
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Originally posted by Toad
8 French killed in Ivory Coast (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/11/06/ivorycoast.ap/index.html)
The Ivory Coast situation is one where the UN/SC seems to have basic agreement. It will now be interesting to see what is done. Will the UN act more forcefully? Will the UN withdraw?
I dont think, they will leave. They were able to keep peace in the area for past 1.5 year, so they are doing well in the are.
here is few more informations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3989941.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3989809.stm
Whats makes you trough about withdraw?
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Originally posted by john9001
what are they going to do thrawn, kill some "innocent civilians"?
only in your dreams, they are not sutch dumbs to bomb civilian and call them terrorists.
3 mirages shut down 2x Su-25 and 5 Chopters.
feel free to post some more arogant comment, you are welcome
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NO WAR FOR COCOA!!!
:D
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Originally posted by Staga
Well I believe French will take care of this civilwar better than you did in Vietnam.
Ok, not to beat a dead horse here, but was your comment a joke? IF so it's fairly clever. If not, are you really, REALLY that ignorant? The sole reason the U.S. entered into VN was to bail out the French.
As far as the French takin' care of civilwars better, do a quick google of Dien Bien Phu and read just how good they are at stuff like that while they totally screwed up Vietnam.
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Originally posted by WMLute
The sole reason the U.S. entered into VN was to bail out the French
(http://www.greathallgames.com/anostalgia/d6.jpg)
Tronsky
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Originally posted by WMLute
Ok, not to beat a dead horse here, but was your comment a joke? IF so it's fairly clever. If not, are you really, REALLY that ignorant? The sole reason the U.S. entered into VN was to bail out the French.
Absolutly false.
As far as the French takin' care of civilwars better, do a quick google of Dien Bien Phu and read just how good they are at stuff like that while they totally screwed up Vietnam. [/B]
How Dien Bien Phu is it related to civilians ?
@Muckmaw1 : go f** yourself.
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"Ivory Coast has become an overseas territory in Jacques Chirac's head," said Koulibaly, Ivory Coast's second-highest leader.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137849,00.html
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lolo muck..; ) Our Choclates are the best...
btw..What I find creepy about France is they Harbor horrible "humans" in there country....
So you got Arafat hiding out ..while hes been milking ..BILLIONS in cash in Swiss...disgusting
Hope the French families of theses soldiers have peace..Sucks when soldiers die..Salute
Why arent there huge French Uprising. CIRAC IS HITLER..blah blah....I guess all the French think this is worth it? ..I guess we dont have enuff back door deals in Africa to care about "'Stabbing France in the Back"......We vote NO..this is the wrong war ..at the wrong time.....Guess we dont have the "Oil for money ..kill kids deal" liek france had...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Absolutly false.
False that the French got their butts kicked in Viet Nam so the US had to entry the war to stop the spread of communism? Please do tell, what's false about that?
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Originally posted by Steve
False that the French got their butts kicked in Viet Nam so the US had to entry the war to stop the spread of communism? Please do tell, what's false about that?
if you can't read I can't help you see :
The sole reason the U.S. entered into VN was to bail out the French.
I bolded the interresting part.
And it's still false , or I can't read (btw your own post gave a 2nd reason)
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Originally posted by straffo
Absolutly false.
How Dien Bien Phu is it related to civilians ?
@Muckmaw1 : go f** yourself.
Not so much fun when the shoes on the other foot, huh?
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Irocz that website is pure crazy communist lies and delusions. You really should look into what their communists did to greece in the immediate postwar years before you belive them and their websites...
Not a commie,got link off of web-search and I didn't realize the source,maybe I should call Dan Rather and ask for advice.:lol
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Irocz, are you a member (or follower) of the Communist Youth of Greece?
Hell no, I scored a 92(communism is -180,0 is moderate, and 180 is faschism,so I'm a bit far to the right) on a political spectrum test so I'm anything but a commie or a commie supporter.
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France will learn that the price for not being a friend is a total indifference to their problems in the future.
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In May 1945, the Truman administration gave France its approval to resume colonial authority in Indochina, Truman hoping that France would liberalize its rule there.
After Eisenhower took office in 1952, U.S. aid to the French effort in Vietnam increased, and by 1954, U.S. aid amounted to 80 percent of the costs of the French effort.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm
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Did you write this or not?
"I think you should not be speaking about ignorance. The French officially requested US assistance in Vietnam, but the US refused"
If in your world, paying for 80% of the French effort is not assistance the French in Vietnam, what would you call it then?
If you want to say the US didn't send in troops fine.
Saying the US didn't assist the French is crap.
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Sure, the US had nothing to do with the French in Nam. The French acted on their own. They paid for the whole misadventure from their own pocket. Great, please feel free to continue rewriting history as you see fit.