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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Otto on November 06, 2004, 09:55:19 PM
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..they're just creating more Terroist? Why can't they just 'reason' with these people?
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From the BBC.
Anti-French uproar in Ivory Coast
Angry anti-French demonstrators in Ivory Coast's main city, Abidjan, marched on the airport, within hours of it coming under French control.
French helicopters fired warning shots to try to stop the tens of thousands of government loyalists moving forward.
The furious reaction was sparked by the destruction of five Ivorian armed forces aircraft by the French military.
France had responded to an earlier Ivorian air attack on a rebel town that left nine French peacekeepers dead.
Paris has said it is sending more troops and aircraft to the region to stop the escalating violence.
The UN Security Council moved swiftly to back the French action, and called on all sides to stop the fighting.
Looting
Correspondents in Abidjan - Ivory Coast's economic capital in the south of the country - spoke of hearing loud explosions and heavy gunfire.
Red tracer bullets streaked across the night sky, Reuters news agency reported.
The BBC's James Copnall said a elicopter flew low over a bridge that splits the city, and fired warning shots as thousands of young men were trying to cross over.
Earlier, a French school and library were set alight and French property looted.
Rioters were seen brandishing axes, machetes and clubs as they roamed the streets shouting "French go home!" and "Everybody get your Frenchman!"
Explosions and heavy gunfire were also reportedly heard in the capital Yamoussoukro on Saturday evening.
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Yeah, they're "rebels"; this is a "civil war".
UN Charter
Article 2, Section 4:
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Article 2, Section 7:
Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.
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EDIT:
Seriously this is a tragic loss. The soldiers are people and not the govt. They don't set policy they do what they're told. There loss isn't something to be scoffed at and after posting I realized I don't want to sound like most of the euro weanies on this board that want to think Americans serving in Iraq are monsters.
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Just amazing how flexible a charter is, isn't it?
Next thing you now alliances chartered as purely defensive will be launching offensive operations.
Interesting how relatively minor conflicts can threaten International Peace and Security while major genocides get ignored.
Just saying.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I have not read anything on this BBS that have given me the impression that they consider "Americans serving in Iraq are monsters". It is a grave misrepresentation and a lie. If you are serious then I challenge you to prove it. If "most of the euro weanies on this board" have such sentiments there should be ample proof for you to quote from.
Gunther I started my post with some french bashing then I layed in with some oil for food scandle stuff. Then I related it all to Iraq and how things just don't allways work out and I hit "submit Reply"
At that second I knew I was wrong because I was politicising deaths of frenchmen who were there under orders trying to make a difference in somone elses lives. A realization that alot on this board fail to conclude about the majority of America soldiers serving Iraq right now.
You can't tell me that we Americans havn't been demonized for Iraq, if you do that'd be just ignorant of you. What I hate is the fact that sometimes we are demonized for doing things that are necessary but at the same time providing a releif to an impoverished people that they have never seen before. Yet we are still monsters to some.
Yes my generalization of Euro weanies was wrong but I hope that YOU can see the point I was trying to make.
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So you think it's the threat posed to the world's cocoa supply then?
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No Blood for Chocola... aw forget it....
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French citizens? sounds like imperialism to me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
French citizens? sounds like imperialism to me.
lazs
NO WAR FOR COCOA!!!!!!
CHIRAC OWNS HERSHEY'S STOCK!!!!
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Muckmaw1 what is you new disfunction ?
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Muckmaw1 what is you new disfunction ?
in this case, I think it's called a sense of humor?
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Originally posted by pugg666
in this case, I think it's called a sense of humor?
The Ivory Coast is the world's top cocoa producer.
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Originally posted by pugg666
in this case, I think it's called a sense of humor?
Remind me to make some humour next time some US soldiers are killed or US civilians threatened .
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thanks Iron, appologies Straffo.
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No need to apologise Pugg ,I've no hard feeling toward you.
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But it's fine for Europe to protest in the streets shouting No Blood for Oil, right?
No one seems to cry out for the american soldiers then.
No, it's all about the big imperialist US bullying smaller countries.
Not much fun when your countrymen are dying and people thousands of miles away mock their efforts, is it?
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Originally posted by straffo
Remind me to make some humour next time some US soldiers are killed or US civilians threatened .
How about now? In case you haven't noticed Straffo, US soldiers are currently being killed and US civilians murdered. Your countrymen along with several others have been derisively ridiculing us for many months now. Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.
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Originally posted by GScholz
You mean in the Ivory Coast?
Yes. As well versed as you are in the UN protocols, I'd love to hear your opinion on why a civil war in the Ivory Coast is considered enough of a threat to world peace to warrant intervention but genocide in Sudan is not.
I figure it's got to be the cocoa.
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Originally posted by AKIron
How about now? In case you haven't noticed Straffo, US soldiers are currently being killed and US civilians murdered. Your countrymen along with several others have been derisively ridiculing us for many months now. Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.
What let you think I'm allways agreeing with my countryman ?
It's not a question of standing the heat but of decency.
I don't think I'm one of those joking about the death of US soldiers or civilians.
Muckmaw , if you want to play the talion's law game I can keep up with you, but it won't be very funny for you and me.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't know, you'd have to ask the supporters of the resolution (among them the US). However since the warring parties in that civil war invited the French and UN to serve in a peacekeeping role, the legality of the UN involvement is not in question.
Edit: Btw. the terminology is not "threat to world peace", but "threat to international peace", so it would be enough for the conflict to be a threat to one other country. France comes to mind since they have a population there.
When this little exercise fails, what will be the UN's next charge?
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Funny, you post a UN resolution like it means something... a UN resolution isn't worth the paper its written on. I think its way beyond time for the UN to find a new home, how about France? :aok
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Originally posted by GScholz
Perhaps saving your butts in Iraq. Who knows?
If the UN would have acted and our allies were indeed true allies, then your snide remark would not have been relevant would it?
To not participate in the initial invasion I can buy....to purposefully stand in our way at every opportunity and ignore our requests for assistance in the post Saddam phase of this op shows the spineless character which defines the UN and many of her members.
To be proud of your role in UN efforts is one thing....to celebrate the suffering in Iraq by it's citizens as well as those involved in trying to free her from combatants so you might take some sort of high ground on the issue is typical of your posture on this board.
Remember....for you to save our butts as you put it, would require some fortitude, loyalty and character....all qualities which you seem to neither possess nor to understand.
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Well said Rude. Little doubt you will soon be added to GScholz's growing ignore list. He may find his sig to be smaller by listing those he is not ignoring. ;)
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Rude utilizes a nice dose of "Smackdown" on gshmolz
:rofl
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This is a repost of mine, but works here and now!
API and UPI reported today that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide". The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaborate". This may have been precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed one of their White flag factories, thus disabling their Military for the time being.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Me? I'm not the UN. Nice personal attack though.
Nobody stood in your way, and most European nations are helping you in Iraq now. You're as ignorant as you are arrogant.
We can trade thinly veiled insults and personal attacks all day if you wish. Won't do me anything.
Sometimes the truth is personal....I can't help that.
As to your response in whole, I'm disapointed....probably has to do with that character thingy ya think?
Please advise us all as to the help we are recieving from Europe....I suspect the word has a convenient European definition which differs from ours....did they stop stealing money from Iraq kinda help or would you be referring to just staying out of our way so as not to complicate matters for yourselves?
Clarification is what I'm after....nothing personal it it at all.
BTW....should I take your ignorant and arrogant remark as personal or were you just upset about that truth hurting thing?
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It's all for the profit of a company that Chirac owns stock in: Hersheyburton.
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Originally posted by VWE
This is a repost of mine, but works here and now!
API and UPI reported today that the French Government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "run" to "hide". The only two higher levels in France are "surrender" and "collaborate". This may have been precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed one of their White flag factories, thus disabling their Military for the time being.
dork.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I'm sure they'd be welcome there, and the US leaving the UN can only help it get more work done. It won't happen though; the US enjoys its veto far too much ... although if you don't pay your dues soon you might lose your vote.
Edit: Btw. yes I know a treaty signed by the United States of America isn't worth the paper its written on.
look up who finances more than half of the u.n then post this again.
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The french are war mongers.
We should use our veto to stop any attempt of the un to interfere with the Ivorian freedom fighters resistance to the new french imperialism.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Last time i checked the United States owed more than a billion dollars in unpaid dues to the UN. So I guess the other member nations have to make up for your UN "financing".
Dang Facts:
Total U.N. and MDB-Related Contributions Would Reach Almost $4 Billion
In the context of the budget request and subject to congressional approval, total U.S. contributions to the organizations in the United Nations system and peacekeeping could total over $2.2 billion in FY2005. The principal components include: U.N. regular budget, $362.2 million; specialized agencies, $420 million; war crimes tribunals, $66 million; Capital Master Plan loan guarantee, $6 million; peacekeeping, $650 million; voluntary programs, approximately $700 million to organizations such as UNICEF, UNDP, UNHCR, and UNRWA, among others. With the inclusion of U.S. commitments to the multilateral development banks, the total would increase to about $3.7 billion in FY2005.
United Nations Regular Budget
The FY2005 request contains nearly $362.2 million to meet the calendar year 2004 United States assessment for the United Nations regular budget, an increase of about $21 million over the current level of $340.8 million approved by Congress for FY2004. In late December 2003, the U.N. General Assembly adopted a $3.16 billion budget for the biennium 2004-05. In real terms, the new budget has been characterized as a "no growth" package. Though the new budget is $270 million more than the previous one, the increase is attributable to currency and inflation adjustments. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan had sought a 0.5 percent increase in real terms. The United States currently pays 22 percent of the U.N.'s budget.
Wow, 22% of the U.N.'s budget is payed by the US.
How much does Norway pay? To be fair, Norway should pony up $3.7 billion, wouldn't you say, that way, EVERYONE pays the same amount. Afterall that is the fairest way to do it. Equality in payments.
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oh goodie! Im on gshmolzes ignore list! now thats funny hehe
Little ole me :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
French citizens? sounds like imperialism to me.
lazs
Someone drank too much brake fluid.
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Gsholz,
The UN is not a tax collector, and it's MEMBER nations are not it's tax base.
It is a MEMBERship. Therefore the term DUES.
Last I checked, MEMBERS being charged the same amount of DUES is fair.
It looks like Norway has at least one village idiot.
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And why do those arrears exist:
Timely Payment of U.S. Contributions (Synchronization)
For more than twenty years, the United States has been regularly delinquent in the payment of its annual assessed contributions to the United Nations and its agencies. U.S. contributions are often ten or more months late owing to the government's practice of seeking congressional appropriation of the funds after the date on which they are actually due; the result is payment of U.S. assessments in the final months of the organizations' budget year. Under legislation enacted into law in September 2002, Congress called on the administration to "initiate a process to synchronize the payments of its assessment to the U.N., its affiliated agencies and other international organizations over a multi-year period so the U.S. can resume paying its dues at the beginning of each calendar year."
Lifting the Cap on Peacekeeping Contributions
The Bush Administration is seeking the permanent lifting of a "cap" on U.S. contributions to U.N. peacekeeping that was enacted into law in 1994 and that had been suspended in recent years. The 1994 law limited the U.S. share of peacekeeping contributions to 25 percent; at the time, the U.S. share was just over 30 percent, and the resulting differential caused the United States to accrue some $500 million in arrears. With the decision of the General Assembly in late 2000 to reduce the U.S. assessment over several years to a new level of 27 percent, Congress agreed to suspend the cap until FY 2004 when it hoped that the U.N. member states would agree to reduce further the U.S. assessed share. These negotiations have not gotten underway, but in an effort to avoid the accumulation of new arrears, the President is asking Congress to lift the ceiling on peacekeeping contributions permanently. The Senate has included language that would do so in its version of the State Department Authorization bill; the House's draft of the same bill would temporarily lift the cap for the next two years.
And the path forward:
Helms-Biden Arrears Payments Completed
The United States has completed payment of its arrears to international organizations under the 1999 Helms-Biden agreement. Under the plan, a total of $926 million was appropriated and available for payment to the organizations, including $712 million to the United Nations regular budget and most of the balance to several U.N. specialized agencies, including WHO, FAO and ILO. Among the most significant conditions for payment of arrears was a permanent reduction in the U.S. share of assessments for the four organizations cited above from 25 percent to 22 percent. In December 2000, the U.N. General Assembly approved the reduction for the U.S. share of the regular budget and the specialized agencies followed within the year.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Countries besides the US and UK that have or had troops in Iraq:
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Honduras
Nicaragua
Czech Republic
Denmark
Georgia
Germany
Estonia
Hungary
Italy
Japan
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Moldova
Mongolia
Netherlands
Norway
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Tonga
Slovakia
South Korea
Spain
Thailand
Ukraine
The list is a bit dated so some countries may need to be added to the list. Btw. the UK is a European country.
You may take the "ignorant and arrogant" remark any way you want; it sure fits you.
I take your remark to me as I take everything you post.
Is the UN really a peace-keeping body?
Look at some of these failures:
Dutch Government resigns as a result of U.N. "peace-keeping".
U.N. fails to condemn slavery in Sudan.
The U.N. is even a joke in Sierra Leone.
Where was the U.N. during the massacre in Rwanda in 1994?
Where were they when Mugabe expunged all white farmers from Zimbabwe, and caused a famine that threatens to kill 8 million? Now they are talking with Mugabe about how to avert the disaster. What a joke!
They impede the war in Iraq, claiming diplomacy and inspections are the only answer. At the same time, they refuse to discuss the North Korea's brazen moves.
U.N. ignores more human rights abuses. This time in Iran.
U.N. takes over in East Timor, and then drops the ball leading to further violence and anarchy.
Remember those Buddist statues in Afghanistan that the Taliban destroyed? Well, you guessed it. The U.N. failed to save them.
The U.N. fails to protect those displaced by a civil war in Angola.
That's right. The U.N. failed in Kashmir, too.
The U.N. failed in Somalia.
The U.N. failed in Bosnia.
The U.N. failed in Israel.
The U.N. failed in Columbia.
The U. N. failed in Iraq.
Well.....quite the record....you should be proud.
As to payments by the US, keeping your friends close is a fine thing...keeping your enemies closer is good business....don't flatter yourself my little socialist.
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I'm concerned about civilian deaths. Maybe the French should reconsider military options in order to ensure civilians do not die.
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Why do the French want to rush to war? I'm very concerned. Have all diplomatic options been exausted?
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maybe if all the french left there and allowed those people to govern themselves...
How many civilian lives are the french willing to lose in this war for cocoa?
lazs
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maybe we should try that in iraq? I mean let them have their own government and all? maybe we should even skip the conquer and enslave part before that?
lazs
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I thionk we should stop this killing that is the result of the french and their decadent gourmet life style and insatiable desire for cocoa... They are using up the worlds supply of cocoa and not paying their fair share to the countries they enslave.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
maybe we should try that in iraq? I mean let them have their own government and all? maybe we should even skip the conquer and enslave part before that?
lazs
FYI the French army protected Gbagbo an his governement before Marcoussi.
Plus there is an ethnical problem in IC like in Rwanda if you see what I mean ...
don't forget Alassane Ouattara
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straffo... protected them from what? propped up a puppet government in their insatiable desire for coacoa you mean.
lazs
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The French have earned the ire of the American people with their repeated attempts to thwart our efforts in making the world safer by eliminating or at least controlling ruthless tyrants and terrorists. Give us any excuse to shove it back down your throats and you can bet we're gonna jump on it. Get used to it.
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Iron : gnagnagna ...
Originally posted by lazs2
straffo... protected them from what? propped up a puppet government in their insatiable desire for coacoa you mean.
lazs
Gbagbo has been protected from the rebels.
And is now pretending France is supporting the rebels ...
Lookup this word : "ivoirité"
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Originally posted by GScholz
... even the US government support your involvement in Ivory Coast.
Only because we know its the right thing to do, as should have been France's involvement in Iraq.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The French have earned the ire of the American people with their repeated attempts to thwart our efforts in making the world safer by eliminating or at least controlling ruthless tyrants and terrorists. Give us any excuse to shove it back down your throats and you can bet we're gonna jump on it. Get used to it.
(http://www.uzbekistan.de/en/2003/Images/Bush_Karimov2.jpg)
Oh look, GWB being all chummy with Islam Karimov, whose regime in Uzbekistan routinely employs torture, imprisonment without trial and extra-judical killings. US aid to Karimov's regime has increased exponentially since Bush took office, which is kind of inconsistent with his crusade against tyranny, no? Why would that be? Caspian basin hydrocarbon reserves perhaps? Surely not, just as his cosy relationship with the equally oppressive House of Saud has nothing to do with US energy policy, notwithstanding their well documented connection to Islamic terrorism against which that of the previous Iraqi regime is comparatively miniscule in scale.
So spare us the moralising crap, the US decision to invade was firmly based on realpolitik and the tenets of the doctrine of full spectrum dominance.
The French opposition to the same was likewise rooted in material self-interest. Failure to realise this just makes you another dittohead, Sorry.
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I am outraged at the French actions. The use of force should always be a last option, as Chirac has noted.
They need to give diplomacy a chance before they rush to war. Think about the civilians who will suffer. This is an outrage. We have been lied to.
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Nuke, you (the US) could have vetoed the French presence out there.
You didn't
Their mandate is legitimate.
Get over it.
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Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.
I am outraged the the French would not try every last diplomatic solution before rushing to use force. I thought the French used force only after every possible diplomatic solution was exhausted?
We have been lied too. No war for cocoa
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Originally posted by NUKE
Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.
They complied and you invaded anyway.
"· Access to sites has been prompt and assistance on the sites expeditious. It seems probable that a general instruction has been issued not in any way to delay or impede inspection of the kind of sites we have gone to so far. This is welcome and it is to be hoped that such an instruction will extend to all sites we may wish to inspect in the future, regardless of location, character and timing."
Dr Hans Blix, Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC
19 December 2002
We have been lied too
As an american citizen, I would have thought you would be used to being lied to by now. :)
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Originally posted by Momus--
They complied and you invaded anyway.
"· Access to sites has been prompt and assistance on the sites expeditious. It seems probable that a general instruction has been issued not in any way to delay or impede inspection of the kind of sites we have gone to so far. This is welcome and it is to be hoped that such an instruction will extend to all sites we may wish to inspect in the future, regardless of location, character and timing."
Dr Hans Blix, Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC
19 December 2002
As an american citizen, I would have thought you would be used to being lied to by now. :)
I suspect you are quite familiar with being lied to by your leaders.
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My condolences to the french soldiers. Its not their fault they have been ordered into the quagmire. I regret every french soldier harmed and every civilian they are ordered to kill.
The real criminal here is that liar Chirac. He has lied to the french people about the reasons french boys have to die. It has nothing to do with peace keeping.
Its all about protecting the property and plantations of french fat-cat families that have made their billions off the backs of the indigenous people.
If the french want to be safe they should walk away from all the property they have stolen from the Ivorian people and simply go home to france.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.
I am outraged the the French would not try every last diplomatic solution before rushing to use force. I thought the French used force only after every possible diplomatic solution was exhausted?
We have been lied too. No war for cocoa
Sorry to burst your bubble but how do you know it was not the case ?
Your comment are especially ironics cause I'm pretty sure you were unable to put IC on the map before yesterday.
PS : can you disert about Ouattara and Gbagbo without making glarring error ?
PS2 : I won't get involved any longuer in this kind of ****ty post Nuke I've lot of friends in IC both French and Ivorians having been here myself some time. The only thing I know for sure is your complete ignorance ,for example : do you know what a is baoulé a margouilla atiéké poisson or le maquis ?
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Straffo
All I said was that the French are rushing to war without giving diplomacy every last possible chance to work.
I'm concerned about the civilians who will be harmed by the rush to use force.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I suspect you are quite familiar with being lied to by your leaders.
Most if not all politicians lie. Some people can read between the lines. Others like the moral comfort zone that the lies are designed to create.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Most if not all politicians lie. Some people can read between the lines. Others like the moral comfort zone that the lies are designed to create.
Like the lies that Saddam was no threat to the US?
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No blood for cocoa!!
lazs
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Pardon my off topic posts, I'm easily distracted.
No blood for cocoa!
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Originally posted by AKIron
Like the lies that Saddam was no threat to the US?
That moral comfort zone is certainly cozy isn't it? ;)
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With their hopes recently dashed perhaps we can give our lefties new purpose. Let's send 'em to the Ivory Coast to hug and protect cocoa trees from the evil imperialistic French. :aok
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comfort zone: Saddam no longer in power and no longer a threat to anyone.
Momus's comfort zone: place your faith, security and trust in a maddman who murdered hundreds of thousands, used WMD, started two wars and tried to kill a US President.
Saying Iraq was a threat is just crazy talk!
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Originally posted by straffo
Sorry to burst your bubble but how do you know it was not the case ?
Your comment are especially ironics cause I'm pretty sure you were unable to put IC on the map before yesterday.
PS : can you disert about Ouattara and Gbagbo without making glarring error ?
PS2 : I won't get involved any longuer in this kind of ****ty post Nuke I've lot of friends in IC both French and Ivorians having been here myself some time. The only thing I know for sure is your complete ignorance ,for example : do you know what a is baoulé a margouilla atiéké poisson or le maquis ?
The native IC do not want the French there. They are freedom fighters and have every right to use any means possible to attack the French anywhere in the world.
The French should be allowing dialogue and the UN to resolve this crisis.
It is all about protecting the profits of the French Cocoa industry.
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it isn't the french people we hate it is that idiot chirac and his bloodthirsty cocoa cartel buddies.
I hope the french people have the courage to throw this hated leader out.
lazs
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CNN is reporting the French Troops have bypassed the Ivory Coast Museum of Antiquities and is currently concentrating its resources on protecting the IC Cocoa Fields!
The Museum is being looted and they're busy guarding the Cocoa Fields!!!
Hot Chocolate, anyone?
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Getting bloodier.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138002,00.html
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"The Chocolate Must FLOW"
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can you imagine women with no more access to chocolates...
all males run that way-------->>>>>>>
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IMPERIALIST BUTCHERS!
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/144027/2_24_110904_ivorycoast.jpg)
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I wonder how many Americans we helped getting evacuated from there.
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Originally posted by Makarov9
IMPERIALIST BUTCHERS!
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/144027/2_24_110904_ivorycoast.jpg)
What does that sign say?? It looks like it has USA on the bottom?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Nice bait and switch there Rude. What does my post that you quoted have to do with UN Peacekeeping operations? Nothing.
You clearly don't understand anything about the UN. The UN does not have an obligation to do anything else than what its member nations wants it to do. If the member nations don't want to do anything ... nothing gets done.
As usual you focus on the UN failures, even invent some, but the fact remains that the UN have had notable success in peacekeeping operations.
Still ... this is only a diversion to cover for your rather disgraceful ignorance of the international support you're getting in Iraq despite most nations being against the war. If most Americans are like you, you truly don't deserve the support you're getting.
I'm very much much aware of the help that we are getting regardless of your mild attempt to prove otherwise....my point is the ones that could help and more rapidly bring about a solution, remain absent....the one's who have called themselves our allies and enjoyed the relationship with our country....the main players on the European theatre prefer to stand at arms length waiting for the opportunity to profit all the while Kofi points the accusing finger at the US stating the illegality of US action in Iraq.
You're right....they don't have to help....however, they should.
You have always been an ardent cheerleader for the UN....my comments to you regarding the UN remain....if you can defend that body with a straight face, then do so knowing not only myself, but anyone with any knowledge of actual UN operations will simply shake their collective heads at your defense of the same.
I have rarely felt the need to engage you on this board as your reputation clearly defines such an attempt as a giant waste of time....still, you should know that while you might be a great guy to have a beverage with, your political view towards our country and general opinion of what is right and what is wrong must have been shaped by one single unpleasant happening in your life...your mind seems closed to exploring anything other than a one dimentional viewpoint of the US and our foreign policy.
It is your precise attitude which makes a true alliance with Europe, highly unlikely.
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rude... I think that mostly the euros here that are like him are simply mallable creations of their media. They constantly hear the "truth" that we don't and then being young and full of energy and armed with all this knowledge... they come on here and go... "this can't be right.. these Americans appear to be unaware of what is really going on." They then figure that either it will be great to show off their knowledge and enlighten us or... they just feel duty bound as human beings to "help" us understand what is really going on.
plus... they are Ameristalkers...
lazs
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"I think that mostly the euros here that are like him are simply mallable creations of their media" ... comming from you, this is simply hillarious.
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I was in France once. (Well alot more than once actually).
The sky was gray and the place was lifeless. Except for the tourists. I even met a French girl. She was so anxious to get out of France and to live in the US. She said Paris was full of people who were nasty and rude and that most of the people that were moving there were born in North Africa. It was causing lots of problems.
She was nice though. She had a job that did not allow her to save a whole lot. She just worked to be able to travel on her 3 weeks off a year.
The press there really reports the news like they are in denial.
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Originally posted by Habu
The sky was gray
What an argument :lol
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A sad country filled with nice women but sad little men.
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I was in USA once. (Well alot more than once actually I live there).
The sun was scorching hot and the place was lifeless. Except for the cars rushing by. I even met an American girl. She was so anxious to cheat on her husband and to live with me. She said USA was full of husbands who were nasty and rude and that the only good lovers there were foreigners and causing lots of problems.
She was nice though. She had a job that did not allow her to have a social life. She just worked to be able to pay her credit card bills.
The press there really reports the news like they are in denial.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I was in USA once. (Well alot more than once actually I live there).
The sun was scorching hot and the place was lifeless. Except for the cars rushing by. I even met an American girl. She was so anxious to cheat on her husband and to live with me. She said USA was full of husbands who were nasty and rude and that the only good lovers there were foreigners and causing lots of problems.
She was nice though. She had a job that did not allow her to have a social life. She just worked to be able to pay her credit card bills.
The press there really reports the news like they are in denial.
Coffee all over the monitor ! WTG Frenchy !!!
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hope you wash your monitors more often than you wash your clothes.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
hope you wash your monitors more often than you wash your clothes.
lazs
His clothes washed by an american girl ...
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then they will probly be allright.
lazs
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Originally posted by straffo
His clothes washed by an american girl ...
lol ...
American women don't do that anymore.....
"They've been Liberated"
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Originally posted by lazs2
rude... I think that mostly the euros here that are like him are simply mallable creations of their media. They constantly hear the "truth" that we don't and then being young and full of energy and armed with all this knowledge... they come on here and go... "this can't be right.. these Americans appear to be unaware of what is really going on." They then figure that either it will be great to show off their knowledge and enlighten us or... they just feel duty bound as human beings to "help" us understand what is really going on.
plus... they are Ameristalkers...
lazs
I never considered the just helpin us out angle.....did we ask for the help or is it purely out of love for the USA that this help is offered?
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True French Story Number 2
I used to live and work in Borneo. Actually it was called Kalimantan because it was the southern half of the Island. I was working in the oilfield and was months in the jungle on very remote rigs.
The big town on Kalimantan was in the south and was called Balikpapan. It was the oil terminal and was on the coast with a natural harbour. It had seen some intense fighting in WW2 when the Japanese took it over.
When I lived there it was pretty rough and only had one nice hotel. Now I hear it has been built up more but it is hardly a tourist town. The only people there were oil workers, lumber people, mining guys etc.
When I got to town after a job on the rigs I used to head to the company house and get showered and shaved and put the oily coveralls in the bin to get washed and pull out the jeans and cotton shirt to go out and have a night on the town.
There were a few bars in town and we usually had a routine starting out at the nicest and working our way down to the skuzziest as the night wore on.
The place we ended up in was a dark loud bar that was kind of like a disco, loud music and lots of girls. Probably half of the girls were professionals, the rest were girlfriends of guys who brought them along.
So this one night we are sitting in this bar and a group of French navy guys come in. They were all dressed in white and had red berets on. The thing about this bar is that you could not sit down without 2 or 3 girls immediately joining you. It was all fun you would buy them drinks, joke with them, dance with them and if you felt like it you could take them home afterwards. It was really no effort at all.
So these french guys sit down 4 or 6 to a table, there must have been a dozen of them there. It turns out their ship was making a port call. They looked like deer caught in the headlights. Not one of them said anything to any of the other expats in the bar. The were terrorfied it appeared. The all ordered drinks and then just sat there drinking stupidly.
The funny thing is not one girl went to sit with them. I don't know why as it was the first time they were there and no one knew anything about them. But all night long they just sat by themselves and looked around the place. Not one had the courage to ask a girl for a dance even.
I could not believe it. It was so sad and pathetic. Picking up a girl at that bar was as easy as making eye contact but not for the gallant men of the french navy. After a few beers they all left empty handed.
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Hookers in Borneo are walking VD warheads.
only horny mama's boys from morally repressed countries would fall for that...
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Funny of all the guys I knew over there only 1 ever got VD and that was in Manila.
Most of us had girlfriends and left the hookers alone.
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well maybe they already had...
each other? ;)
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Probably. That or they all caught VD at Club Med.
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Last summer I met an american girl. She was following litterature studies at Harvard. But damn, she was a real psycho: anorexic, scared by everything, and shy. Americans are really anorexic cowards! Must be their medias...
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Maybe just the ones who are into guys like you? No? ;)
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Americans are really anorexic cowards! Must be their medias...
And their Mickey Mouse is one big silly dope!!
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cercie... that is why we don't allow women to vote in this country.
lazs