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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on November 07, 2004, 12:34:05 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
IMO one of the things you liberals have to adress in your party and your message before the next election is the hateful fatalist fanaticism that leads people to do this...
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The democrat party tends to whip their supporters into a hysterical frenzy. It's part of the appeal because sometimes it's FUN to be part of a frenzy. Just ask sharks. Fun. Unfortunately the hysteria can lead to extreme depression when it's over, and that's not so fun.
The sad thing is that although people at his work apparently saw it coming, nobody stepped in to intervene. Due to a spike in military member suicides, the USAF in Europe is currently starting up a program to try to make sure that even isolated people have a safety net of their peers. It's different in the civilian world where people may not help a loner even if he's sending out strong signals that they're suicidal.
Then again, if someone really wants to make a statement by killing themselves, sooner or later they're going to succeed. Suicide out of depression is a bit different than suicide to make a political statement. IMHO, if your political views force you to kill yourself to make your point, go right ahead. Just please be polite enough to not leave a big mess for others to clean up. The problem is that it's not easy to know why someone is trying to kill themselves so we probably ought to try to intervene when possible.
Where was the intervention for this guy?
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hmmm, Someone who would do this probably has more issues then just losing the election...
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if a guy is going to lose it over politics, I'd prefer they do it with suicide.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
IMO one of the things you liberals have to adress in your party and your message before the next election is the hateful fatalist fanaticism that leads people to do this...
Hehe, so you're saying this guy offed himself because he was influenced by the Liberal message? You don't think maybe he was just depressed / off-kilter instead?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html
Explain THIS, you stinkin' Liberals! WHAT is UP with your hateful fanaticism that causes you freaks to do THIS?
Uh... We only had one liberal off themselves over the election results, Bling Bling- had Kerry won there would have been scores of right wing nutburgers doing themselves in.
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By all measures, a single suicide translates into an overwhelming Bush man date.
The fact that the suicide rate was so low following this election can be attributed to one of two things. Kerry failed to persuade the suicide block, or P Diddy's 'Turn out the Suicide' didn't materialize. Or both.
"Vote and Die" just didn't produce as expected.
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i think if someone wants to kill themself they should be allowed to, it's their life.
something i have never figured out, if christians say heaven is so great, why are they so afraid of death, why do they morn when someone dies , they should celabrate.
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nah, the neo-cons would've been shooting someone else instead. ;)
they'd handle losing OK.
what they are having trouble handling is the dis-appointment they faced when - in spite of Bush defeating Kerry and the hopes they had for this next term - they awoke Wednesday morning to find they still had a very tiny noodle.
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Should I do a search of religious fanatics that have waved their hand of God while taking down scores of people in the name of God?
Poor taste, very poor taste.
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Shame, Grun- Shame.:(
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Shame what?
You guys and your propagandist surrogates like Micheal Moore fill the nation and especially target yiur consitiancies with the worst sort of fear mongering, destortions lies about Bush stealing the election, being evil, etc etc etc for years and years. And now you are what, surprised that some possibly unstable or vulnerable person might have been too wound up in this BS hysteria and now hurt himself when the deliverance from this evil did not materilize?
Yea shame is the right word...
Unbelivebale arrogance from you guys.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Uh... We only had one liberal off themselves over the election results, Bling Bling- had Kerry won there would have been scores of right wing nutburgers doing themselves in.
Oh yea airhead, you're really mature here... Shame this shame that.. What a crock of bullchit you are sometimes (read: always) ...
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Whoah.... Grun, pal...
Lets take it easy....
I think the same amount of people who took Moore's films fo real were about the same size as the folks who know how to spell apocolypse.
In a mere two sentences, you said:
propagandist
surrogates
fear mongering
destortions
lies
evil
vulnerable
hysteria
deliverance
Now... You know me, I think.... And I don't hold it against ya. But something in there tells me you need to check yerself.
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There are fanatics and lunatics at the extreme of each party.
"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!"
What would Pat Robertson's vision of America be if he and his fellow fundamentalists gained power? One vision of America might be found in Pat Robertson's view of Zambia. Zambian President Frederick Chiluba is a Robertson associate who, in 1991, officially declared the country a 'Christian nation,' and followed this up by changing some of the nation's laws to reflect the new Christian status. Robertson hailed this action while interviewing Chiluba during a taped segment that aired during the April 25, 1995, edition of 'The 700 Club' and lamented the fact that no such declaration can occur in the United States. "Your country is a standard for not only Africa but the rest of the world,' gushed Robertson.
Since Chiluba took office all public schools have become saturated with fundamentalist Christianity - Muslims and Hindus were told that they would have to build their own schools; state-run radio and television has been taken over by Christian fundamentalist religious programming; all abortion was outlawed - police shut down every clinic and many doctors and staffers were attacked and beaten; an anti-pornography crusade was launched, and fundamentalist ministers and missionaries were given license to work with the police to publicly burn any material deemed obscene. The country is now swarming with fundamentalist Christian missionaries, many of them affiliated with the radical Christian Reconstructionist movement...[which] Under their plan, the harsh legal code outlined in the Old Testament would be the basis for U.S. law."
:lol
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Nash just go see one of those anti-Bush "peace" protests.. There are a lot of
people who really seem to believe... And they belive some really scary wierd crap...
And as far as Micheal Moore goes just check out the lengths he goes to support the "fcatual" nature of his films by offering often point by point counterargumets to his critics on his website. I'd say that he takes the movie and its content quite seriously...
As for hysteria, you said yourself that you were deeply emotionally involved in this election... While thats utterly bizzare as yoiu are a candaian it does go some way in proving my point about the type of attitude the liberals were creating for this election..
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Did you take the Bush pledge?
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I voted for Badnarik.. :aok
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Good man.
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Originally posted by Nash
Good man.
In one stroke I voted against both Bush and Kerry, it was fantastic! :lol
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh yea airhead, you're really mature here
lol, you started the thread!
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That's cool.
And it gives you one gigantic out.
You didn't serve your nation this time at bat, though I bet it feels like you did.
That's okay. Hey, whatever gets ya into the booth works for me. Consider it a practise run. A good one. Coulda been worse.
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Originally posted by Nash
That's cool.
And it gives you one gigantic out.
You didn't serve your nation this time at bat, though I bet it feels like you did.
That's okay. Hey, whatever gets ya into the booth works for me. Consider it a practise run. A good one. Coulda been worse.
Nash, how did he not serve his nation?
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Uhm... I just decided I'm bored of talking about it. Sorry. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, how did he not serve his nation?
I didnt vote for his soul mate and savior Kerry, what else...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh yea airhead, you're really mature here... Shame this shame that.. What a crock of bullchit you are sometimes (read: always) ...
I think what's bullchit is you trying to find some connection with the one zealot who offed himself and the 60 plus million people who voted for Kerry. Since I like ya, tho, I chose to goof on you instead of bagging on you.
Now let's stay civil, OK?
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Get your math straight, only 55 milion voted for Kerry while 60 million voted for Bush...
Sheesh! :)
As for what I said, I stand by it. I think the anti-Bush fear mongering and fanaticism expressed by certain influential left wing voices has been very harmful to both your party and this individual. I'm sure there were other factors but damn I gotta be honest with my gut feeling that this young man was sold a load of watermelon by left wing propagandists like mike moore and move-on that they could never deliver on. But hey thats just my take on it, I think the anti-Bush hysteria was silly and dangerous.
Think about that when yoiu guys consider why kerry lost. What was your real genuine message beyond Bush is dumb/evil/hitler and Kerry is "electable" and will save us all.
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sounds like the ol noodle watcher captn apathy is being a poor sport eh?
end of the world... Bush won boooo hooo.
Has anyone checked on mr lars or sandie?
lazs
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>>Medical examiners ruled the death of an 8-year-old autistic boy a homicide after an autopsy showed he was asphyxiated during a church service in which participants held him down while praying to expel "evil demons" they believed caused his disorder<<
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f33.html
Spin that - it would be just as disgusting.