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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Grits on November 08, 2004, 09:20:43 AM
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I think the Ki84 is the best thing to happen to the CT since I started in AH last Feb. The model we have may indeed be an early prototype, but I dont care its a heck of a lot better than the Ki61 IMO but then again I'm biased, I hate that POS.
The 84 is a great match for the F4U-1, and I suspect it will be just as good a match for the -1D. The -1 is faster OTD but accelerates very sloooooowly so the Ki84 can get away in the short term, which is usually all you need. More importantly that acceleration advantage over the -1 makes it a good match in a fight.
I must say that (unlike in the past) I will now look forward to (not dread) mid/late war Pac setups.
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I agree Grits,
been having a blast in the CT last couple of nights.
The F4U1 and the KI84 make for a good match up. Each has different strengths, and almost turns a fight into a chess game.
Gotta give the edge to the Hog though, all in all. (Just mho)
Cheers,
RTR
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Yeah, the F4U has much better survivability after you ram that Ki-84... :aok
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V .... you have more rams in the CT than any pilot I know. Hehe
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I think its a nice addition. We've been missing some alternatives in the Japanese planeset, and this is a nice one to have. Once they get the kinks ironed out it will be even better. I still prefer my Ki-61 though. I mean really. Just look at the beautiful bullet nose and clean lines of the Tony. Then look at the big honker on the Frank and hell, they even had to tie the tail on! :D
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V .... you have more rams in the CT than any pilot I know. Hehe
Its called being agressive, not only am I usually in the inferior plane but often I have to chase my opponent either to his home field ack or fleet ack before he will engage!
Unless he's got 5k plus alt on me then he'll first blow a couple passes then run to his field or fleet before engaging.
There are very few who even attempt to turn n burn any more.
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What I found interesting is that the P-38 can effectively engage and turn with the Frank: it doesn't dominate the battle. The Frank can use it's turn and climb rate to rope or extend against it. Fairly even IMHO.
On a side note. no matter what IJN/IJA plane set we have, the speed advantage will ALWAYS be with the USAAF and USN aircraft. It was a fact all Japanese pilots had to face and work with during WWII.
That being said, I think moving forward to 44/45 setups, the Frank and George will compliment one another to effectively enage any P-51/P-47/F4U series aircraft. Pilots who want to hit and run will ALWAYS hit and run no matter what they're flying.
I will also point out that I've seen guys in B-26's and Apaches shoot down enemy aircraft. #1 point: it's the pilot, not the plane that makes a battle. If he chooses to run, not a whole lot you can do about it, even if you are in a faster aircraft: still gotta chase down the bugger. :rolleyes:
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When you have a 1v1 with 2 very disimilar aircraft, it is unlikely that you will be engaged in a knife fight in a phone booth.
Hog Vs Frank is a good example. Any hog driver who expects to be able to outpower or outurn a Frank at slow speeds is dillusional. To expect that the hog will fight on the Franks terms is wishful thinking.
When I fly the Hog, most of the fights that I end up losing, I lose because I have tried to go toe to toe and slug it out with an aircraft that performs better in a "turn and burn" type of fight.
When I fly smart, I use the hogs diving ability and higher diving speed to an advantage. I want to create a distance between us that I can work with. I want the fight to happen at higher airspeeds than the frank probably does, so if I can control the tempo and distance of the fight to my advantage, I will.
With the Frank, knowing that it will shed parts at 450 or so, I can and do use it as an advantage.
As far as ramming goes....eh, it happens to us all. Generally it happens with me when I am OTD and fast and can't get under my opponent (who is just as committed to keeping his nose pointed at me), or when I am out of E, nose up and wallowing around like a fat pig with no ability to maneuver out of the way. Not something I ever whine about, like I said, it happens to us all occasionally. I also won't give any symapthy to it.
Just my $.02
Cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by VWE
Its called being agressive, not only am I usually in the inferior plane but often I have to chase my opponent either to his home field ack or fleet ack before he will engage!
Unless he's got 5k plus alt on me then he'll first blow a couple passes then run to his field or fleet before engaging.
There are very few who even attempt to turn n burn any more.
have found a fairly simple mathematical equation usually explains rams.
X x HO attempts = Y
X = Player
Y = RAMS
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I think its a nice addition. We've been missing some alternatives in the Japanese planeset, and this is a nice one to have. Once they get the kinks ironed out it will be even better. I still prefer my Ki-61 though. I mean really. Just look at the beautiful bullet nose and clean lines of the Tony. Then look at the big honker on the Frank and hell, they even had to tie the tail on! :D
The Ki61 is awful SA2. Heck even an F4U-1 with full flaps and about 150 MPH will out turn one wont it? ;)
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Originally posted by VWE
Its called being agressive, not only am I usually in the inferior plane but often I have to chase my opponent either to his home field ack or fleet ack before he will engage!
Unless he's got 5k plus alt on me then he'll first blow a couple passes then run to his field or fleet before engaging.
There are very few who even attempt to turn n burn any more.
Point(s) being (Mr. defensive) .... ahem .....
1: You tend to complain about rams alot.
2: On average I'd say I see you involved in rams on an average of 3 to 4 times more than any other single player in the game.
3: It's your own damned fault.
4: If you wanna knife fight ... take the damned knife outa your mouth first.
:lol
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[JG54 mode]In VWE's defense Arlo, the issue we have are guys who come in from 5-10k above, swoop in, cherry pick a few, then run home screaming like a little girl. That type of MA behaviour is not appreciated in the CT where one expects more mature and serious engagements.
(Like that happens) :rolleyes:
Our point is, if you wanna chery pick, go hang out around the cherry MA tree. It is thought that all come to a historical arena where pilots fly for the love of the match-ups.
(as if) :rolleyes:
[/JG54 mode]
:D
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
[JG54 mode]In VWE's defense Arlo, the issue we have are
guys who come in from 5-10k above, swoop in, cherry pick a few, then run home screaming like a little girl.
That type of MA behaviour is not appreciated in the CT where one expects more mature and serious engagements.
(Like that happens) :rolleyes:
[/JG54 mode]
:D
whoooooooaaaaa!! my irony meter just exploded. you perfectly descibed VWE and several other JG54's...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
In VWE's defense Arlo, the issue we have are guys who come in from 5-10k above, swoop in, cherry pick a few, then run home screaming like a little girl. That type of MA behaviour is not appreciated in the CT where one expects more mature and serious engagements.
(Like that happens) :rolleyes:
Our point is, if you wanna chery pick, go hang out around the cherry MA tree. It is thought that all come to a historical arena where pilots fly for the love of the match-ups.
(as if) :rolleyes:
Even though there is a long list to choose from... That has to be the most idiotic statement I've ever seen you type.
You're vision of historical is a plague.
That is a personal attack and you can kiss my ass.
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Honestly, I fly the way I am comfortable. I fly the way your supposed to fly the USAAF birds. If you see me as a "cherrypicker". I am sorry I am not going to fly the way people think or expect people to fly because it messes with their furball.
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Originally posted by Grits
The Ki61 is awful SA2. Heck even an F4U-1 with full flaps and about 150 MPH will out turn one wont it? ;)
Nope. The Ki-61 actually turns very well at slow speeds. Hogs? Mmmmmm bacon! :D
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
Honestly, I fly the way I am comfortable. I fly the way your supposed to fly the USAAF birds. If you see me as a "cherrypicker". I am sorry I am not going to fly the way people think or expect people to fly because it messes with their furball.
I agree, Stream.
When I fly in CT, I expect, that the enemy uses the best tactics to beat me and I try to do the same thing. If my plane is good in boom and zoom, I use it. I fly differently in CT than in MA. MA is the place where I go when I like to practise my skills. In CT I try to fly wisely and I expect that the enemy do the same thing.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
[JG54 mode]In VWE's defense Arlo, the issue we (?) have are guys who come in from 5-10k above, swoop in, cherry pick a few, then run home screaming like a little girl. That type of MA behaviour is not appreciated in the CT where one expects more mature and serious engagements.
(Like that happens) :rolleyes:
Our (?) point is, if you wanna chery pick, go hang out around the cherry MA tree.(?) It is thought that all come to a historical arena where pilots fly for the love of the match-ups.
(as if) :rolleyes:
[/JG54 mode]
:D
I think the witness for the defense has attempted to sidetrack VW's issue of his inability to avoid getting rammed with a false perception about the current setup, authored by said witness. This setup's fine. You should be glad for that. If you're missing all the turn-fights going on between every flavor of plane in the CT right now ... then you're just not there. :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
2: On average I'd say I see you involved in rams on an average of 3 to 4 times more than any other single player in the game.
(looks around nervously)
...er...um...there may be one person you're forgetting about...
(backs out the door)
- oldman
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To get back to the MAIN issue at hand.
I've flown more in the CT since the Frank was available than in the previous 3 months all rolled together.
I landed my first 5 kill sortie in over a year a couple of days ago. Jabr! You made this ol man feel like a kid again for an hour.
:)
As to the collsion model, it ain't broke, don't fix it. If your colliding with other planes its YOUR fault.
Last, as to the quality of the fights in the CT recently, I'd have to give em a solid 7.
Yes a few guys have run to ack. (Which I'd do myself if I had 3 guys on my 6, but not for just 1) People kept moving fleets between the 2 main fields which made finding a fight VERY DAMM ANNOYING!
However, MOST of the time the fights were deck to 8k, fast, fuious, and fun.
all
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Originally posted by Ghosth
To get back to the MAIN issue at hand.
Thanks, this is about the Frank and its positive impact on the CT, not VWE being a blatant rammer. :D
I've flown more in the CT since the Frank was available than in the previous 3 months all rolled together.
Good to see you in the CT Ghosth. You cleaned my clock several times the other night. Now go away!! ;)
Seriously, I like it when guys better than me like Shane, Urchin, Levi, you (and many others) come visit the CT because I always learn something from it. I have never gone to the DA with Shane (althought I should, I have no doubt it would help me a lot) but I have learned a lot from him (and the others I mentioned) probably without him even knowing it.
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Ummm.......ok. Time to come clean. All those times I rammed you guys and then said something like "Oh sorry, couldnt get out of the way......."
I LIED!! I RAMMED YOU ON PURPOSE!! VWE IS MY IDOL!!!
MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!:lol
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You know they finally took the walnuts out of most rocky road ice creams? They're using a much better alternative of almonds.
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Was never a real walnut fan.
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Nuts. Hehe. How appropriate for a CT discussion..
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whoooooooaaaaa!! my irony meter just exploded. you perfectly descibed VWE and several other JG54's...
I really enjoyed shootin you down, twice no less, in my PT boat as you tried to run for the safty of your fleet last night! :D :rofl
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I must say..........
As much as I admire Shane's skills in a plane I got a really good laugh out of playing target while VWE shot him down with the PT. The comments flying back and forth were priceless. Better entertainment than primetime TV!!
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Originally posted by VWE
I really enjoyed shootin you down, twice no less, in my PT boat as you tried to run for the safty of your fleet last night! :D :rofl
Which ACMs do you recommend for a PT boat? :D
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Camping... :aok
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I like PT boats. Generally with A-1 sauce. Be a leader and talk others into following your lead. :D
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oh i got my revenge by blasting his little boaty into so much kindling with the 8"ers